Anthony Towns <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Neither is the argument I'm making. The argument I'm making is that
> because it's likely there are better ways of doing things than the way
> we're doing things now (ie, "though foo is the way we've always done
> things, there probably exists some bar t
On Thu, Mar 13, 2008 at 08:25:40AM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
> On Thu, 13 Mar 2008 14:37:46 +1000, Anthony Towns said:
> > On Tue, Mar 11, 2008 at 06:54:50PM +, Ian Jackson wrote:
> >> And, just to make things personal, I submit that one of the problems
> >> is AJ.
> > Because, of course,
On Thu, Mar 13, 2008 at 09:12:54AM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
> Redoing the new blood thing once again is unlikely to have much
> of an effect, really. I think we need to find some of the root causes
> of the malaise that affects this institution, and fix that, rather
> than rampagi
On Thu, Mar 13, 2008 at 06:32:13PM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
> An alternative is to throw out the member who is youngest.
No, that would again ensure stagnancy in the group, with the older members
being permanently appointed.
> Or use birth month to throw out
Likewise.
> -- the me
On Thu, 13 Mar 2008 23:07:09 +, MJ Ray <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
> Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: [...]
>> Let me get this straight. The argument is that since it is hard to
>> remove people for cause in Debian, let us just start removing people
>> at random, even if they are per
Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: [...]
> Let me get this straight. The argument is that since it is hard
> to remove people for cause in Debian, let us just start removing people
> at random, even if they are performing well, and maybe, sometime,
> somehow, that change may lea
Ian Jackson wrote:
> Well, I said
> We should be removing TC members who are ... often wrong.
>
> I'm sure everyone will agree with that statement put like that.
>
> My opinion comes into it when I ask myself `who is ... often wrong'.
> And I don't expect anyone has a very different definiti
Anthony Towns writes ("Re: Technical committee resolution"):
> Well, if you assume change isn't going to change anything, then, well,
> I guess you've got your conclusion.
That's a completely wrongheaded way of looking at it.
We (Manoj, Russ, I, and perhaps others) are not opposed to change.
It mu
Manoj Srivastava writes ("Re: Technical committee resolution"):
> Redoing the new blood thing once again is unlikely to have much
> of an effect, really. I think we need to find some of the root causes
> of the malaise that affects this institution, and fix that, rather
> than rampaging
Julien Cristau writes ("Re: Technical committee resolution"):
> On Tue, Mar 11, 2008 at 20:03:57 -0400, Hubert Chathi wrote:
> > OK, the rest of your mail sounds somewhat reasonable, to an outsider who
> > has no experience whatsoever with TC, but ... given that the TC often
> > deals with contenti
On Thu, 13 Mar 2008 17:01:01 +1000, Anthony Towns <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
> It takes a _lot_ to remove someone for cause in Debian -- see the DPL
> recall vote, or any of the expulsions we've had, or any of the groups
> that haven't changed membership for a while in spite of complaints
> abou
Anthony Towns <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> There's two fundamental things that persuade me. First, change doesn't
> just happen, it takes people to cause it; and different people will
> cause different changes. The current crop of people have had their go --
> all the current members have been on
On Wed, Mar 12, 2008 at 10:36:38PM -0700, Russ Allbery wrote:
> Anthony Towns <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > I don't think the committee would be worse off without you; and I find
> > it fundamentally disturbing that any of the founding members are still
> > members ten years later.
> I think this
Hi,
For the record, I have already engaged in this "get new blood
into the ctte" experiment, conducted two years ag, when I championed
the new inductees into the ctte.
I must say, the track record of new blood has been, in my
opinion, mostly positive, but the overall performan
On Thu, 13 Mar 2008, Julien Cristau wrote:
> On Thu, Mar 13, 2008 at 12:14:22 +0100, Raphael Hertzog wrote:
>
> > Furthermore the average skillset of the DD includes packaging while it
> > doesn't necessarily include programming and maintaining a complex piece of
> > software like dpkg.
>
> Doesn'
On Thu, 13 Mar 2008 14:37:46 +1000, Anthony Towns <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
> On Tue, Mar 11, 2008 at 06:54:50PM +, Ian Jackson wrote:
>> And, just to make things personal, I submit that one of the problems
>> is AJ.
> Because, of course, making things personal is definitely what the
> techn
On Thu, Mar 13, 2008 at 12:14:22 +0100, Raphael Hertzog wrote:
> Furthermore the average skillset of the DD includes packaging while it
> doesn't necessarily include programming and maintaining a complex piece of
> software like dpkg.
>
Doesn't the average skillset of a DD include knowing not to
On Thu, 13 Mar 2008, Raphael Hertzog wrote:
> It's important to have quality and consistency in the work done on such a
> package and thus it's good that the maintainers in charge can selectively
> grant (and revoke) write rights to the repository.
Following a remark on IRC, it's also important to
Hi Clint,
On Wed, 12 Mar 2008, Clint Adams wrote:
> Why isn't dpkg in collab-maint on Alioth? Why should it be or not be?
dpkg has been maintained in various VCS repositories since 1999 (CVS, then
arch, then SVN, and now Git), it's a natural choice for a software
maintained and further developed
Clint Adams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Your platform contains the following claim:
>> This can hardly be solved from the outside - but a start would be to
>> not defame these groups as "evil cabals" hindering the rest of the
>> project out of spite.
> Why can "this" not be solved from the outs
On Thursday 13 March 2008, Clint Adams wrote:
> How will not defaming contribute to a solution?
I thought that one obvious:
defaming makes people feel attacked, and thus encourages flaming and
reacting on an emotional basis instead (or in addition to) a rational one.
-> it's not so much that '
Steve McIntyre <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> On Wed, Mar 12, 2008 at 03:21:23PM +0100, Raphael Hertzog wrote:
>>On Tue, 11 Mar 2008, Fabian Fagerholm wrote:
>>> If you were elected DPL for the next term, what would you do about this
>>> GR and when? How would you ensure that the declassification ca
On Thu, 13 Mar 2008, Charles Plessy wrote:
> (And since this thread is supposed to be questions for the DPL
> candidates, I will add one: some time ago, a DD was sending emails on
> -devel whenever the discussion was offtopic, to ask for it to be
> transferred or stopped: what do you think of this
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