Re: The Debian Maintainers GR

2007-08-01 Thread Bart Martens
Hi aj, Some parts feel very obvious to me. Am I missing something? On Thu, 2007-08-02 at 14:38 +1000, Anthony Towns wrote: > At present, how do you find packages that have been packaged by non-DDs > and uploaded with the minimal checks by a DD in order to review them, > or just get a sense of ho

Re: The Debian Maintainers GR

2007-08-01 Thread Anthony Towns
On Tue, Jul 31, 2007 at 11:13:21PM -0700, Russ Allbery wrote: > Also, on another front, adding AJ, Joey, and Ryan Murray to a team isn't > exactly helping with getting new people involved who might have more free > time. How many other hats do those three people already wear? Oh, for me: ftpmaste

Re: The Debian Maintainers GR

2007-08-01 Thread Anthony Towns
On Wed, Aug 01, 2007 at 09:49:27AM +0200, Raphael Hertzog wrote: > On Tue, 31 Jul 2007, Russ Allbery wrote: > > I doubt this, honestly. For one thing, I doubt that AJ, as much as that > > may be tempting, would actually hold a grudge that way for very long; [...] > I also think Aj would be open to

Re: The Debian Maintainers GR

2007-08-01 Thread Anthony Towns
On Wed, Aug 01, 2007 at 01:57:53AM -0700, Russ Allbery wrote: > Anthony Towns <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > Giving more people the ability to try out their ideas directly is > > valuable, and if the risks can be kept low, entirely worth doing. > Hm. I have to admit I'd be much more inclined to v

Re: Constitutional amendment: reduce the length of DPL election process

2007-08-01 Thread Anthony Towns
On Wed, Aug 01, 2007 at 12:53:11PM +0200, Wouter Verhelst wrote: > On Wed, Aug 01, 2007 at 02:30:31PM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote: > > Personally, I think annual elections are a good thing, pretty much for the > > reasons outlined by Jeff in: > > http://lists.linux.org.au/archives/linux-aus/2005

Re: The Debian Maintainers GR

2007-08-01 Thread Steve Langasek
On Sun, Jul 29, 2007 at 10:47:22PM +0200, cobaco (aka Bart Cornelis) wrote: > On Sunday 29 July 2007, Clint Adams wrote: > > 1. It creates another class of Debian participant when we should be > >striving to have fewer classes. > Does it really? Yes, it does. Right now, in terms of upload ca

Re: Constitutional amendment: reduce the length of DPL election process

2007-08-01 Thread Mike Bird
On Tuesday 31 July 2007 22:38, Martin Schulze wrote: > FWIW, I believe that 2 years is too long, both for the DPL who may have > to assign much more time to it than now, and for the project that may > suffer under one DPL and would suffer even longer. I wonder if a better course might not be to ke

Re: Constitutional amendment: reduce the length of DPL election process

2007-08-01 Thread Alexander Schmehl
* Anthony Towns <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [070731 09:48]: > I propose we change section 5.2 of the constitution concerning appointment > of the Project Leader to reduce the nomination period to a week, and the > voting period to two weeks. In wdiff format: > > = > 5.2. Appointment > > 1. The

Re: Constitutional amendment: reduce the length of DPL election process

2007-08-01 Thread Don Armstrong
On Wed, 01 Aug 2007, Wouter Verhelst wrote: > On Wed, Aug 01, 2007 at 02:30:31PM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote: > > Personally, I think annual elections are a good thing, pretty much for the > > reasons outlined by Jeff in: > > > > http://lists.linux.org.au/archives/linux-aus/2005-July/msg00030.h

Re: Constitutional amendment: reduce the length of DPL election process

2007-08-01 Thread Nico Golde
Hi, * Aníbal Monsalve Salazar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2007-08-01 13:49]: > On Tue, Jul 31, 2007 at 02:21:43PM +0200, Nico Golde wrote: > >Hi, > >* Anthony Towns <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2007-07-31 13:35]: > >[...] > >I second this. > > According to § 3 of the "Procedures for submitting a General > Resol

Re: Constitutional amendment: reduce the length of DPL election process

2007-08-01 Thread Thijs Kinkhorst
On Wednesday 1 August 2007 01:46, Aníbal Monsalve Salazar wrote: > >Nico Golde - http://ngolde.de - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - GPG: 0x73647CFF > >For security reasons, all text in this mail is double-rot13 encrypted. > > Met vriendelijke groet, Your Dutch seems up to par, but why are you talking Dutch to

Re: Constitutional amendment: reduce the length of DPL election process

2007-08-01 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Tue, Jul 31, 2007 at 01:19:40PM -0400, Joey Hess wrote: > PS, probably too obvious to mention, but such an amendment needs to only > take effect at the next election cycle. Yes, no doubt about that. -- Home is where you have to wash the dishes. -- #debian-devel, Freenode, 2004-09-22 --

Re: Constitutional amendment: reduce the length of DPL election process

2007-08-01 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Wed, Aug 01, 2007 at 07:38:15AM +0200, Martin Schulze wrote: > Moritz Muehlenhoff wrote: > > Please formulate a GR and I'll second it immediately. 18-24 months seems > > sensible, annual elections are a waste of everyone's time. > > FWIW, I believe that 2 years is too long, both for the DPL who

Re: Constitutional amendment: reduce the length of DPL election process

2007-08-01 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Wed, Aug 01, 2007 at 02:30:31PM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote: > Personally, I think annual elections are a good thing, pretty much for the > reasons outlined by Jeff in: > > http://lists.linux.org.au/archives/linux-aus/2005-July/msg00030.html I'll summarize those as "if people want continuit

Re: Constitutional amendment: reduce the length of DPL election process

2007-08-01 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Tue, Jul 31, 2007 at 09:49:49AM -0700, Russ Allbery wrote: > Wouter Verhelst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > While we're at it, I've long felt that a one-year DPL term is just too > > short (because a DPL needs to spend a few months to get worked in, and > > can't do all that much when the ne

Re: The Debian Maintainers GR

2007-08-01 Thread Russ Allbery
Anthony Towns <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On the other hand, the only way it will get examined is if someone who > thinks it's worth trying has the ability to try it. Otherwise we end up > with endless discussion that just doesn't go anywhere. > Giving more people the ability to try out their i

Re: The Debian Maintainers GR

2007-08-01 Thread Marc 'HE' Brockschmidt
Steve Langasek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Mon, Jul 30, 2007 at 10:36:46AM +0200, Marc 'HE' Brockschmidt wrote: >> ... without ever *asking* if that would be true. I assumed this idea to >> be dead because last year's discussion on -newmaint showed that most DDs >> were against that proposal.

Re: Constitutional amendment: reduce the length of DPL election process

2007-08-01 Thread Julien BLACHE
Lars Wirzenius <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hi, > "I know the job is for two years, but I only want to do half the job, so > please vote for me, I'm better than those others who are willing to do > the whole job." I'd better have someone do the job for only one year than someone not doing the job

Re: Constitutional amendment: reduce the length of DPL election process

2007-08-01 Thread Paul Cager
Steve Langasek wrote: > I know, we should set the DPL term to be equal to the release cycle; that > way the DPL will be suitably encouraged to make sure the release never > stalls out ;) > "How long will you be DPL?" "I'll go when I'm ready to go..." -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTE

Re: The Debian Maintainers GR

2007-08-01 Thread Raphael Hertzog
On Tue, 31 Jul 2007, Russ Allbery wrote: > > Don't let the perfect be the ennemy of the good. > > I think one of the places where we're disagreeing is that I don't consider > the current process fundamentally broken. I don't think so (but it looks like Anthony seems to think so). I think it works

Re: The Debian Maintainers GR

2007-08-01 Thread Steve Langasek
On Mon, Jul 30, 2007 at 10:36:46AM +0200, Marc 'HE' Brockschmidt wrote: > ... without ever *asking* if that would be true. I assumed this idea to > be dead because last year's discussion on -newmaint showed that most DDs > were against that proposal. Surely, "discussion on -newmaint" and "most DDs

Re: Constitutional amendment: reduce the length of DPL election process

2007-08-01 Thread Marc Haber
On Wed, Aug 01, 2007 at 08:29:46AM +0200, Martin Schulze wrote: > Marc Haber wrote: > > I think that a longer term could be a good idea. There must be a > > reason why DPLs are usually invisible and unable to address the real > > problems in the project. > > Which, of course and quite naturally, s

Re: The Debian Maintainers GR

2007-08-01 Thread Anthony Towns
On Tue, Jul 31, 2007 at 11:13:21PM -0700, Russ Allbery wrote: > (Ideally, in my opinion, there would be little or no sponsorship as there > is today and instead there would be detailed review of one's packages > leading to DM status for those packages as part of an NM process, with the > other case