Re: GR idea related to ongoing licensing discussions

2007-06-06 Thread Russ Allbery
Josip Rodin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Wed, Jun 06, 2007 at 10:40:57AM -0700, Russ Allbery wrote: >> I disagree strongly with the latter part of that statement. Various >> people are still *upset* about the Editorial Changes GR, but at least >> from where I'm sitting, it did a lot to resolv

Re: GR idea related to ongoing licensing discussions

2007-06-06 Thread Josip Rodin
On Wed, Jun 06, 2007 at 10:40:57AM -0700, Russ Allbery wrote: > > - it seems to be pandering to literalists in a similar way to the > > Editorial Changes GR and that hasn't really ended those arguments; > > I disagree strongly with the latter part of that statement. Various > people are still *up

Re: GR idea related to ongoing licensing discussions

2007-06-06 Thread Russ Allbery
Anthony Towns <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Tue, Jun 05, 2007 at 12:09:27PM -0700, Russ Allbery wrote: >> For example, for the "desert island test" and part of the "dissident >> test", what about a GR with the following two ballot options: > I'd like to see these tests (and others, such as the

Re: GR idea related to ongoing licensing discussions

2007-06-06 Thread Russ Allbery
MJ Ray <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Russ Allbery <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: [...] >> The DFSG are hereby amended to add the following additional guideline: >> 10. No Required Contribution of Changes [...] >> 11. No Required Identity Disclosure [...] > I think this is a bad idea becau

Re: GR idea related to ongoing licensing discussions

2007-06-06 Thread MJ Ray
Marco d'Itri <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > >Marco d'Itri claimed existance of such DFSG-revisionists in > >http://lists.debian.org/debian-legal/2006/12/msg00160.html > >(apologies for the "fraudster" shout in my first reply) but went all > >quiet when I showed that it look

Re: GR idea related to ongoing licensing discussions

2007-06-06 Thread Russ Allbery
Marco d'Itri <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > No, I think there is still high controversy over these criteria, which > appeal mostly the DFSG-revisionsts which a few years ago colonized > debian-legal. I do not believe that they are currently being used by the > ftpmasters, who are the people who act

Re: GR idea related to ongoing licensing discussions

2007-06-06 Thread Marco d'Itri
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >Marco d'Itri claimed existance of such DFSG-revisionists in >http://lists.debian.org/debian-legal/2006/12/msg00160.html >(apologies for the "fraudster" shout in my first reply) but went all >quiet when I showed that it looks like non-money fees were DFSG >breaches before

Re: GR idea related to ongoing licensing discussions

2007-06-06 Thread MJ Ray
Marco d'Itri <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > No, I think there is still high controversy over these criteria, which > appeal mostly the DFSG-revisionsts which a few years ago colonized > debian-legal. [...] Marco d'Itri claimed existance of such DFSG-revisionists in http://lists.debian.org/debian-leg

Re: GR idea related to ongoing licensing discussions

2007-06-06 Thread Marco d'Itri
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >A good understanding of the effects (ie, providing answers to questions >like: how common are such clauses? if they don't happen, why complain? if >they've already happened, how have they caused problems?) seems like a >good thing to have before making decisions about the

Re: GR idea related to ongoing licensing discussions

2007-06-06 Thread Marco d'Itri
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >I start with those two because they're the least controversial and have >been part of license analysis for long enough that they're in various FAQs >and in the Wikipedia article on the DFSG, but neither are explicitly >stated in the existing guidelines and there's always

Re: GR idea related to ongoing licensing discussions

2007-06-06 Thread Anthony Towns
On Tue, Jun 05, 2007 at 12:09:27PM -0700, Russ Allbery wrote: > For example, for the "desert island test" and part of the "dissident > test", what about a GR with the following two ballot options: I'd like to see these tests (and others, such as the venue-clause) explained and compared to existing

Re: GR idea related to ongoing licensing discussions

2007-06-06 Thread MJ Ray
Russ Allbery <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Also, on another note, I didn't cc debian-legal on my original message > just because if people decided this was a horrible idea, I didn't want to > waste the time of more than one list, but any GR proposal clearly should > be cc'd there. debian-legal cont

Re: GR idea related to ongoing licensing discussions

2007-06-06 Thread MJ Ray
Russ Allbery <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: [...] > The DFSG are hereby amended to add the following additional guideline: > 10. No Required Contribution of Changes [...] > 11. No Required Identity Disclosure [...] I think this is a bad idea because: - it is introducing redundancy into the