Re: ajt's anti-rebuttal

Anthony Towns wrote: > On Thu, Mar 15, 2007 at 06:35:59PM +0100, Andreas Barth wrote: > > * Anthony Towns (aj@azure.humbug.org.au) [070314 19:25]: > > > Since then we've also had Debian Times established > > I don't see at all how this is realated to you being DPL - in fact, I > > would have prefer

Re: Question to all the candidates: please explain GR-2006-001

Hi, On Thu, 15 Mar 2007, Francesco Poli wrote: > Hi all, > IANADD, so I don't have vote right, but I'd like to ask a question > anyway. > > To all candidates who wish to respond: > > How did you vote for the GR on the GFDL[1] (GR-2006-001) and why? > In case you didn't vote, could you explai

Re: ajt's anti-rebuttal

On Thu, Mar 15, 2007 at 06:35:59PM +0100, Andreas Barth wrote: > * Anthony Towns (aj@azure.humbug.org.au) [070314 19:25]: > > Since then we've also had Debian Times established > I don't see at all how this is realated to you being DPL - in fact, I > would have prefered a more active role of the DP

Re: To all candidates: distribution of your actions over the term

On Thu, Mar 15, 2007, Aurelien Jarno wrote: > We all know from experience (and this is not specific to Debian) that > the persons that get elected do not distribute their actions over the > term of office regularly. They are usually active just after they get > elected, then they start to be less

Re: Question to the candidates: RC bugs fixed

On Thu, Mar 15, 2007, Thaddeus H. Black wrote: > Please brag about RC bugs you have fixed since sarge's release, excluding > bugs in your own packages. Of interest are both the quantity and > intractability of the bugs. If you have not fixed RC bugs but have made > another noteworthy Project-orien

Re: Questions for DPL candidates: casting the lead to fathom our course

On Sat, Mar 10, 2007 at 07:23:06PM +1030, Ron wrote: > > >Some years back now, the DAM's of the day announced they would be >suspending the processing of NM applicants while we figured out how >to deal with this change to our environment, and likewise to the >type of people presenting themselves a

Re: Question to all the candidates: please explain GR-2006-001

On Thu, Mar 15, 2007 at 15:58:00 -0700, Steve Langasek wrote: > On Thu, Mar 15, 2007 at 11:48:43PM +0100, Francesco Poli wrote: > > Hi all, > > IANADD, so I don't have vote right, but I'd like to ask a question > > anyway. > > > To all candidates who wish to respond: > > > How did you vote for

Re: Question to all the candidates: please explain GR-2006-001

On Thu, Mar 15, 2007 at 11:48:43PM +0100, Francesco Poli wrote: > Hi all, > IANADD, so I don't have vote right, but I'd like to ask a question > anyway. > To all candidates who wish to respond: > How did you vote for the GR on the GFDL[1] (GR-2006-001) Is this a trick question to see which can

Re: Question to the candidates: RC bugs fixed

Le jeudi 15 mars 2007 à 23:29 +0100, Raphael Hertzog a écrit : > For readers who are interested in a more neutral point of view, I invite > them to read the archives of debian-python during the month of june: > http://lists.debian.org/debian-python/2006/06/threads.html I don't think you make a goo

Question to all the candidates: please explain GR-2006-001

Hi all, IANADD, so I don't have vote right, but I'd like to ask a question anyway. To all candidates who wish to respond: How did you vote for the GR on the GFDL[1] (GR-2006-001) and why? In case you didn't vote, could you explain why? [1] http://www.debian.org/vote/2006/vote_001 P.S.: P

Re: Question for Gustavo and Sam: bringing back the fun

On Thu, Mar 15, 2007 at 03:57:13PM +0100, Pierre Habouzit wrote: > > > Flamewars are actually fun, when done properly. > > Mailing list are a tool. We want constructive and rewarding discussions. > Humour (of lack of) is a quality. Having some is very rewarding in the > long term, as it allows

Re: Question to the candidates: RC bugs fixed

On Thu, 15 Mar 2007, Josselin Mouette wrote: > Le jeudi 15 mars 2007 à 23:04 +0100, Raphael Hertzog a écrit : > > On Thu, 15 Mar 2007, Pierre Habouzit wrote: > > > Uuuh which part do you refer to ? > > > > The part that I did and that nobody else was willing to do. Discuss with > > Josselin and

Re: Question to the candidates: RC bugs fixed

Le jeudi 15 mars 2007 à 23:04 +0100, Raphael Hertzog a écrit : > On Thu, 15 Mar 2007, Pierre Habouzit wrote: > > Uuuh which part do you refer to ? > > The part that I did and that nobody else was willing to do. Discuss with > Josselin and Doko so that we actually have gone forward even if it has

Re: Question to the candidates: RC bugs fixed

On Thu, 15 Mar 2007, Pierre Habouzit wrote: > Uuuh which part do you refer to ? The part that I did and that nobody else was willing to do. Discuss with Josselin and Doko so that we actually have gone forward even if it has been very problematic because both have very strong opinions and refuse

Re: Question to the candidates: RC bugs fixed

On Thu, Mar 15, 2007 at 10:10:17PM +0100, Raphael Hertzog wrote: > On Thu, 15 Mar 2007, Thaddeus H. Black wrote: > > Please brag about RC bugs you have fixed since sarge's > > release, excluding bugs in your own packages. Of > > interest are both the quantity and intractability of the > > bugs. I

Re: Question to the candidates: RC bugs fixed

Le jeudi 15 mars 2007 à 22:10 +0100, Raphael Hertzog a écrit : > My biggest technical contributions over the last year are: > > - the management of the Python transition and the > development/fixing/modifications of the > corresponding dh_{python,pycentral,pysupport} scripts. > http://lists.

Re: Question to the candidates: RC bugs fixed

On Thu, 15 Mar 2007, Thaddeus H. Black wrote: > Please brag about RC bugs you have fixed since sarge's > release, excluding bugs in your own packages. Of > interest are both the quantity and intractability of the > bugs. If you have not fixed RC bugs but have made > another noteworthy Project-ori

Re: Question for Gustavo and Sam: bringing back the fun

Le jeudi 15 mars 2007 à 19:43 +0200, Lars Wirzenius a écrit : > I've tried not participating or reading lists with large flame contents: > for significant parts of 2006 I did not read -devel and -project (for > instance). The result was that you're cut off from any sense of what the > project is do

Re: Question for Gustavo and Sam: bringing back the fun

On Thu, Mar 15, 2007 at 07:37:35PM +0100, Julien BLACHE <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Lars Wirzenius <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >> FWIW you're not _forced_ either to read them, nor to participate. > > > > I've tried not participating or reading lists with large flame contents: > > for signif

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Question to the candidates: RC bugs fixed

An admittedly modest technical contributor to Debian, I have not earned the right to complain often, so I don't. Nevertheless, I agree pretty much completely with the words of Andreas Tille, Clint Adams and Frans Pop; and I feel strongly that Debian's foremost problems are cabal-oriented and socia

Re: Question for Gustavo and Sam: bringing back the fun

Lars Wirzenius <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> FWIW you're not _forced_ either to read them, nor to participate. > > I've tried not participating or reading lists with large flame contents: > for significant parts of 2006 I did not read -devel and -project (for > instance). The result was that you

Re: Question for Gustavo and Sam: bringing back the fun

On to, 2007-03-15 at 16:52 +0100, Julien BLACHE wrote: > The only thing that changed is that some people started bickering > about the flamewars. Ah yes, I remember that happening. In about 1995. -- sic transit discus mundi -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsu

Re: Question for Gustavo and Sam: bringing back the fun

On to, 2007-03-15 at 16:05 +0100, Pierre Habouzit wrote: > On Thu, Mar 15, 2007 at 11:15:03AM -0300, Margarita Manterola wrote: > > 1) flamewars: the constant bickering on mailing list is depressing, it > > takes away a lot of time, and it gives the whole project a bad > > reputation. > > FWIW y

Re: ajt's anti-rebuttal

* Anthony Towns (aj@azure.humbug.org.au) [070314 19:25]: > Since then we've also had Debian Times established I don't see at all how this is realated to you being DPL - in fact, I would have prefered a more active role of the DPL to revive the usage of the debian-news list. Cheers, Andi -- ht

Re: Question for Gustavo and Sam: bringing back the fun

Thomas Viehmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Debian having a reputation for its flamewars seems to be a pretty clear > indication of a problem. If it was "In Debian people discuss > passionately and then make good decisions" it would be much less of a > problem than the current "Debian = endless f

Re: Question for Gustavo and Sam: bringing back the fun

On Thu, Mar 15, 2007, Julien BLACHE wrote: > Flamewars are actually fun, when done properly. Oh right; the fun part must be an omission on -- unless you meant the artistic type of flamewars. ;) -- Loïc Minier -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTEC

Re: Question for Gustavo and Sam: bringing back the fun

Julien BLACHE wrote: > I don't know what's worse, the bickering itself or the bickering about > the bickering. The bickering about the bickering about the bickering. Debian having a reputation for its flamewars seems to be a pretty clear indication of a problem. If it was "In Debian people discuss

Re: Question for Gustavo and Sam: bringing back the fun

On Thu, Mar 15, 2007 at 11:15:03AM -0300, Margarita Manterola wrote: > On 3/15/07, Sam Hocevar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > My main approach to make it fun again to work on Debian is to > >reduce the frustration. You cannot have fun doing something if your > >contributions are ignored, if yo

Re: Question for Gustavo and Sam: bringing back the fun

Raphael Hertzog <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Flamewars are actually fun, when done properly. > "Having fun in a flamewar" is not the kind of fun we need to seek. > Because there's no reward for the project, only some self-satisfaction of > a few individuals. Actually I had in mind a couple of f

Re: Question for Gustavo and Sam: bringing back the fun

On Thu, Mar 15, 2007 at 03:50:32PM +0100, Raphael Hertzog wrote: > On Thu, 15 Mar 2007, Julien BLACHE wrote: > > "Margarita Manterola" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > 1) flamewars: the constant bickering on mailing list is depressing, it > > > takes away a lot of time, and it gives the whole

Re: Question for Gustavo and Sam: bringing back the fun

On Thu, 15 Mar 2007, Julien BLACHE wrote: > "Margarita Manterola" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > 1) flamewars: the constant bickering on mailing list is depressing, it > > takes away a lot of time, and it gives the whole project a bad > > reputation. > > I don't know what's worse, the bickering

Re: Question for Gustavo and Sam: bringing back the fun

"Margarita Manterola" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > 1) flamewars: the constant bickering on mailing list is depressing, it > takes away a lot of time, and it gives the whole project a bad > reputation. I don't know what's worse, the bickering itself or the bickering about the bickering. Flamewars

Re: Question for Gustavo and Sam: bringing back the fun

On 3/15/07, Sam Hocevar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: My main approach to make it fun again to work on Debian is to reduce the frustration. You cannot have fun doing something if your contributions are ignored, if you cannot access the resources you need to do the work, if your administrative re

Re: To all candidates: distribution of your actions over the term

On Thu, Mar 15, 2007 at 12:59:23AM +0100, Aurelien Jarno wrote: > Hi, > > We all know from experience (and this is not specific to Debian) that > the persons that get elected do not distribute their actions over the > term of office regularly. They are usually active just after they get > elected

Re: ajt's anti-rebuttal

On Thu, Mar 15, 2007, Anthony Towns wrote: > Sam thinks our BTS is "ugly and hardly usable" because of the wnpp > pseudopackage. Uhm, there's no "because" here in my platform, it was just the most prominent example that made it clear that packages with many bugs are very difficult to manage th

Re: Question for Gustavo and Sam: bringing back the fun

On Tue, Mar 13, 2007, Margarita Manterola wrote: > This is for Gustavo and Sam, who have both stated in their campaigns > that they want to bring back the fun to Debian. Now, I'm all for > Debian being more fun, but I wonder: > > How do you plan to bring back the fun? What are the specific steps