Re: BREAKING NEWS: Debian developers aren't trusted

2007-02-11 Thread Kalle Kivimaa
Josselin Mouette <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > May I suggest you start using a MUA with threading support? It should > provide access to the original source easily. If you had checked the mail headers you would have noticed that I do use such a MUA. What I don't do is store the Debian mailing list

Re: [GR] DD should be allowed to perform binary-only uploads

2007-02-11 Thread Yaroslav Halchenko
On Sun, 11 Feb 2007, Stephen Gran wrote: > ballombe has already found differences between an emulated environment > and a real cpu, where the test suite failed on qemu and passed on a real > cpu. I have no confidence that it can't fail the other way. I am sorry - could you please refer to that cas

Re: BREAKING NEWS: Debian developers aren't trusted

2007-02-11 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le dimanche 11 février 2007 à 04:24 +0200, Kalle Kivimaa a écrit : > Josselin Mouette <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > >> Personally, I don't like either of the checks, but I've seen zero > >> effort from Aurelian and friends to demonstrate they can be trusted, > > Quoting partial sentences without d

Re: BREAKING NEWS: Debian developers aren't trusted

2007-02-11 Thread Mike Hommey
On Sun, Feb 11, 2007 at 10:59:41PM +0200, Kalle Kivimaa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hamish Moffatt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > The context doesn't make the above quote any more pleasant. > > Well, in an ideal world everybody trusts everybody, but unfortunately > the world we live in is not i

Re: BREAKING NEWS: Debian developers aren't trusted

2007-02-11 Thread Kalle Kivimaa
Hamish Moffatt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > The context doesn't make the above quote any more pleasant. Well, in an ideal world everybody trusts everybody, but unfortunately the world we live in is not ideal. And I'm not sure what's so newsworthy in the fact that one developer doesn't trust anoth

Re: BREAKING NEWS: Debian developers aren't trusted

2007-02-11 Thread Hamish Moffatt
On Sun, Feb 11, 2007 at 11:47:28AM +0100, Francesco P. Lovergine wrote: > On Sun, Feb 11, 2007 at 04:24:45AM +0200, Kalle Kivimaa wrote: > > Josselin Mouette <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > >> Personally, I don't like either of the checks, but I've seen zero > > >> effort from Aurelian and friends

Re: [GR] DD should be allowed to perform binary-only uploads

2007-02-11 Thread Frank Küster
Kurt Roeckx <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Sat, Feb 10, 2007 at 03:27:25PM +0100, Frank Küster wrote: >> Steve Langasek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> > The error rate on requeue requests that reach me is significant, even from >> > people who are well-informed and involved in the process (e.g

Re: [GR] DD should be allowed to perform binary-only uploads

2007-02-11 Thread Kalle Kivimaa
Julien BLACHE <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Which is interesting, considering that in such a situation we might > not even be able to run a vote. To block a vote you need both the Project Secretary and the chairman of the ctte to act together. Even then the body of the ctte could simply elect a ne

Re: [GR] DD should be allowed to perform binary-only uploads

2007-02-11 Thread Martin Schulze
Julien BLACHE wrote: > Martin Schulze <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Unlikely. SPI usually has a defined authorisationship with an associated > > project, this refers to people, not the project as a whole or their > > developers or their internal voting results. However, a GR should be > > abl

Re: [GR] DD should be allowed to perform binary-only uploads

2007-02-11 Thread Stephen Gran
This one time, at band camp, Hamish Moffatt said: > On Sat, Feb 10, 2007 at 12:02:57AM +, Stephen Gran wrote: > > I am sure qemu is very good at what it does, but I do not have faith > > that it can stand in for a real CPU in all the corner cases. If > > Do you think it's likely that it can b

Re: [GR] DD should be allowed to perform binary-only uploads

2007-02-11 Thread Julien BLACHE
Martin Schulze <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Unlikely. SPI usually has a defined authorisationship with an associated > project, this refers to people, not the project as a whole or their > developers or their internal voting results. However, a GR should be > able to kick the DPL out of leadersh

Re: [GR] DD should be allowed to perform binary-only uploads

2007-02-11 Thread Martin Schulze
Julien BLACHE wrote: > >> Note that if you can get SPI to transfer the debian.org zone to other > >> DNS servers than the current ones, you can NMU the infrastructure. > > > > But (probably) only if it was at the request of the DPL. > > Could be at the request of the Project, via a GR I think, if

Re: [GR] DD should be allowed to perform binary-only uploads

2007-02-11 Thread Julien BLACHE
Neil McGovern <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Note that if you can get SPI to transfer the debian.org zone to other >> DNS servers than the current ones, you can NMU the infrastructure. > > But (probably) only if it was at the request of the DPL. Could be at the request of the Project, via a GR I t

Re: [GR] DD should be allowed to perform binary-only uploads

2007-02-11 Thread Neil McGovern
On Sat, Feb 10, 2007 at 09:17:44PM +0100, Julien BLACHE wrote: > Clint Adams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Debian infrastructure and portions thereof are not analogous to > > packages. As many have pointed out already, packages can be NMUed. > > Note that if you can get SPI to transfer the de

Re: BREAKING NEWS: Debian developers aren't trusted

2007-02-11 Thread Martin Schulze
Francesco P. Lovergine wrote: > On Sun, Feb 11, 2007 at 04:24:45AM +0200, Kalle Kivimaa wrote: > > Josselin Mouette <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > >> Personally, I don't like either of the checks, but I've seen zero > > >> effort from Aurelian and friends to demonstrate they can be trusted, > > >

Re: [GR] DD should be allowed to perform binary-only uploads

2007-02-11 Thread Martin Schulze
> >> Note that if you can get SPI to transfer the debian.org zone to other > >> DNS servers than the current ones, you can NMU the infrastructure. > > Andreas Barth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I heavily disagree to that. The current servers are owned by Debian or > > sponsored to Debian by some

Re: [GR] DD should be allowed to perform binary-only uploads

2007-02-11 Thread Julien BLACHE
Andreas Barth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Note that if you can get SPI to transfer the debian.org zone to other >> DNS servers than the current ones, you can NMU the infrastructure. > > I heavily disagree to that. The current servers are owned by Debian or > sponsored to Debian by some people. S

Re: BREAKING NEWS: Debian developers aren't trusted

2007-02-11 Thread Francesco P. Lovergine
On Sun, Feb 11, 2007 at 04:24:45AM +0200, Kalle Kivimaa wrote: > Josselin Mouette <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > >> Personally, I don't like either of the checks, but I've seen zero > >> effort from Aurelian and friends to demonstrate they can be trusted, > > Quoting partial sentences without discl