Re: Withdrawn: The DFSG do not require source code for data, including firmware

2006-09-10 Thread Sven Luther
On Mon, Sep 11, 2006 at 12:40:17PM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote: > On Sun, Sep 10, 2006 at 04:58:51PM +0200, Sven Luther wrote: > > Seriously, let this stay for now, vote on Frederik's GR for granting an > > exception for etch, so we can work on etch on a timely fashion, and then > > participate in t

Re: Withdrawn: The DFSG do not require source code for data, including firmware

2006-09-10 Thread Anthony Towns
On Sun, Sep 10, 2006 at 04:58:51PM +0200, Sven Luther wrote: > Seriously, let this stay for now, vote on Frederik's GR for granting an > exception for etch, so we can work on etch on a timely fashion, and then > participate in the debate Anthony proposed, which would culminate at the > in-person di

Re: Firmware & Social Contract: GR proposal

2006-09-10 Thread Anthony Towns
On Sat, Sep 09, 2006 at 01:11:18AM -0400, Nathanael Nerode wrote: > Anthony Towns wrote: > > (e) Following the release of etch, the Debian Project Leader shall: > > i. ensure that the Debian community has a good understanding > >of the technical and legal issues that

Re: Withdrawn: The DFSG do not require source code for data, including firmware

2006-09-10 Thread Sven Luther
On Sun, Sep 10, 2006 at 11:32:51AM +0200, Marco d'Itri wrote: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > >While I still believe that this proposal represents a reasonable position > >for the project to take, the discussion over the past two weeks makes it > >clear to me that a large enough fraction of our dev

Re: kernel firmwares: GR proposal

2006-09-10 Thread Sven Luther
On Sun, Sep 10, 2006 at 02:16:26AM -0700, Steve Langasek wrote: > Hi Frederik, > > On Wed, Aug 30, 2006 at 11:06:54PM +0200, Frederik Schueler wrote: > > Overview: > > I asked you this question before privately and haven't seen an answer. You > say below "So we propose this GR:"; does that mean

Re: Firmware & Social Contract: GR proposal

2006-09-10 Thread Moritz Muehlenhoff
In gmane.linux.debian.devel.vote, ajt wrote: Thanks Aj, that's the best GR proposed so far. I second the proposal below. Cheers, Moritz > > The Debian Project resolves that: > > (a) The Social Contract shall be reverted to its original form, > as at http://www.debian.or

Re: Withdrawn: The DFSG do not require source code for data, including firmware

2006-09-10 Thread Marco d'Itri
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >While I still believe that this proposal represents a reasonable position >for the project to take, the discussion over the past two weeks makes it >clear to me that a large enough fraction of our developership disagrees >strongly with this interpretation that it's not in

Re: First call for votes for the assets handling constitutional amendment GR

2006-09-10 Thread Florian Weimer
* Debian-project Secretary: > The details of the general resolution can be found at: > http://www.debian.org/vote/2006/vote_003 This document has been garbled, possibly due to charset issues. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL

Re: kernel firmwares: GR proposal

2006-09-10 Thread Steve Langasek
Hi Frederik, On Wed, Aug 30, 2006 at 11:06:54PM +0200, Frederik Schueler wrote: > Overview: I asked you this question before privately and haven't seen an answer. You say below "So we propose this GR:"; does that mean that everything up to that is rationale, and not part of the text that develop

Re: Proposal - Amendment - allow hardware support from non-free into the debian system

2006-09-10 Thread Julien BLACHE
Lionel Elie Mamane <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hi, > I've tried to consolidate all the little "I would second this if" and > remarks that people made (and I agree to), but that MJ Ray didn't > outright reject. How about something like that? Would in particular MJ > Raj, Sven Luther, Julien Blache

Re: Various proposals related to source-less material in the kernel

2006-09-10 Thread Lionel Elie Mamane
On Sun, Sep 10, 2006 at 09:31:03AM +0200, Sven Luther wrote: > On Sun, Sep 10, 2006 at 08:33:10AM +0200, Lionel Elie Mamane wrote: >> On Sat, Sep 09, 2006 at 04:37:44PM -0700, Don Armstrong wrote: >>> == Currently do not have enough seconds == >>> 5. Revert SC, firwmare need not follow DFSG #2 >>

Re: Various proposals related to source-less material in the kernel

2006-09-10 Thread Sven Luther
On Sun, Sep 10, 2006 at 08:33:10AM +0200, Lionel Elie Mamane wrote: > On Sat, Sep 09, 2006 at 04:37:44PM -0700, Don Armstrong wrote: > > > == Currently do not have enough seconds == > > > 5. Revert SC, firwmare need not follow DFSG #2 > > Seconds: > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Marco d'Itri) <[EMAIL P