Re: A new practical problem with invariant sections?

2006-02-12 Thread Craig Sanders
On Sun, Feb 12, 2006 at 10:44:51PM -0600, Manoj Srivastava wrote: > What if he wants to further distribute the stuff to other > people who are using a device like his? I mean, sharing stuff useful > to me is one of the prime reasons I like free software -- if stuff is > useful, I can sha

Re: A new practical problem with invariant sections?

2006-02-12 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On 12 Feb 2006, Craig Sanders told this: > On Sun, Feb 12, 2006 at 07:31:20PM -0500, Anthony DeRobertis wrote: >> Now, I'd like to download this (translated) manual and place it on >> a portable device I own, so I can easily read it without killing a >> bunch of trees. I think this is clearly a us

Re: A new practical problem with invariant sections?

2006-02-12 Thread Craig Sanders
On Sun, Feb 12, 2006 at 06:28:34PM -0800, Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote: > Craig Sanders <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > there's nothing in the GFDL that prevents you from doing that. the > > capabilities of your medium are beyond the ability of the GFDL (or any > > license) to control. > > This is

Re: A new practical problem with invariant sections?

2006-02-12 Thread Thomas Bushnell BSG
Craig Sanders <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > there's nothing in the GFDL that prevents you from doing that. the > capabilities of your medium are beyond the ability of the GFDL (or any > license) to control. This is hardly true. The GFDL says you must transmit the original Japanese text in the ca

Re: A new practical problem with invariant sections?

2006-02-12 Thread Craig Sanders
On Sun, Feb 12, 2006 at 05:19:37PM -0800, Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote: > Craig Sanders <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > don't be an idiot. you only have to keep the invariant sections if you > > are DISTRIBUTING a copy. you can do whatever you want with your own > > copy. > > Right, so you can't

Re: A new practical problem with invariant sections?

2006-02-12 Thread Thomas Bushnell BSG
Craig Sanders <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > don't be an idiot. you only have to keep the invariant sections if you > are DISTRIBUTING a copy. you can do whatever you want with your own > copy. Right, so you can't *distribute* a copy on an ASCII-only medium, even of the English translation of a

Re: A new practical problem with invariant sections?

2006-02-12 Thread Craig Sanders
On Sun, Feb 12, 2006 at 07:31:20PM -0500, Anthony DeRobertis wrote: > Now, I'd like to download this (translated) manual and place it on a > portable device I own, so I can easily read it without killing a bunch > of trees. I think this is clearly a useful modification, and I think > that I should

A new practical problem with invariant sections?

2006-02-12 Thread Anthony DeRobertis
Anton Zinoviev wrote: > On Thu, Feb 09, 2006 at 01:19:58PM -0800, Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote: > We have already discussed many examples, if you have some new example > you are welcome to share it with us. :-) I don't recall the following example being brought up. Let's assume a manual, written by

Re: GFDL GR, vote please!

2006-02-12 Thread Hubert Chan
On Sun, 12 Feb 2006 22:10:19 +0200, Anton Zinoviev <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > On Sat, Feb 11, 2006 at 02:31:30PM -0700, Hubert Chan wrote: >> >>> If my opinion is not the same as yours I am allowed to express my >>> opinion in additional invariant section. Or if I think your opinion >>> is misle

Re: Question about GFDL licensed works

2006-02-12 Thread Glenn Maynard
On Mon, Feb 13, 2006 at 12:05:57AM +0100, Josselin Mouette wrote: > Le dimanche 12 février 2006 à 09:22 -0600, Manoj Srivastava a écrit : > > Am I in violation of the License merely by unpacking make or > > by doing an "tla get" on my machine? If I am, why is this free -- I > > can't even

Re: DFSG4 and combined works

2006-02-12 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le dimanche 12 février 2006 à 22:16 +0200, Anton Zinoviev a écrit : > GFDL doesn't place any restrictions on the form of the printed > document. For example it can be a collection of unbound sheets of > paper plus some unbound pictures plus some bug maps plus a cup or two. > All you have to do in

Re: Question about GFDL licensed works

2006-02-12 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le dimanche 12 février 2006 à 09:22 -0600, Manoj Srivastava a écrit : > Am I in violation of the License merely by unpacking make or > by doing an "tla get" on my machine? If I am, why is this free -- I > can't even unpack the sources " with no Invariant Sections, with no > Front-Cover T

Re: GFDL GR: Amendment: no significant invariant sections in main

2006-02-12 Thread martin f krafft
also sprach Osamu Aoki <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2006.02.12.0222 +0100]: > s/include no invariant sections/don't include any significant contents > to prevent our Freedom in invariant sections/ and matching changes to > the text. I think this sounds incredibly vague and leaves "significant" up in th

Re: DFSG4 and combined works

2006-02-12 Thread Anton Zinoviev
On Sat, Feb 11, 2006 at 01:51:08PM -0700, Hubert Chan wrote: > > You are allowed to *accompany* your document with the license. But an > invariant section must be *part of* the document. [...] > > In the case of a reference card (as I understand the DFSG), you > would not be allowed to just dist

Re: GFDL GR, vote please!

2006-02-12 Thread Anton Zinoviev
On Sat, Feb 11, 2006 at 02:31:30PM -0700, Hubert Chan wrote: > > > If my opinion is not the same as yours I am allowed to express my > > opinion in additional invariant section. Or if I think your opinion > > is misleading the readers I can object your opinion in footnotes. > > I think you compl

Re: DFSG4 and combined works

2006-02-12 Thread Peter S Galbraith
Anton Zinoviev <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Fri, Feb 10, 2006 at 12:03:45PM +, Roger Leigh wrote: > > > In other situations, we might want to incorporate parts of the manual > > into the source (for tooltips, help texts, usage examples, etc..). We > > certainly couldn't do that with a GFD

Re: Editorial changes to the Social Contract

2006-02-12 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On 11 Feb 2006, Jérôme Marant spake thusly: > Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > >> On 11 Feb 2006, Jérôme Marant outgrape: >> >>> Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >>> >> On 9 Feb 2006, Jérôme Marant spake thusly: >>> The only people it made happy are extremists. >

Re: GFDL GR summaries

2006-02-12 Thread Adrian von Bidder
On Friday 10 February 2006 19:15, Thaddeus H. Black wrote: > Thorough summaries written by representative proponents and opponents of > each principal side of the GFDL debate would be well received at this > time. Such summaries are requested. For other DDs, I cannot speak, but > such summaries w

Question about GFDL licensed works

2006-02-12 Thread Manoj Srivastava
Hi, I have a machine with multiple user accounts on it. On that machine, I use cryptsetup to encrypt _all_ the partitions and swap, apart from /boot. The machine runs SELinux, to provide and enforce privilege separation, and my working area is labelled user_work_t. Now, I also

Re: Editorial changes to the Social Contract

2006-02-12 Thread Martijn van Oosterhout
2006/2/11, Jérôme Marant <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > There isn't anything to do with politess. If I hurted you, them please > accept my apologies. But I'm frank enough to express my view as I > feel them. As a non-native English speaker, the vocabulary might > not always be appropriate. Hmm, you should

Re: GFDL GR: Amendment: no significant invariant sections in main

2006-02-12 Thread Pierre Habouzit
Le Dim 12 Février 2006 02:22, Osamu Aoki a écrit : > Hi, > > I second Adeodato Simó's proposal but at the same time I consider it > still leaves some spaces for the absolutism interpretation which > tends to plague Debian. I consider we should have reasonable space > for "judgment" for many things