Re: RFD: amendment of Debian Social Contract

2003-11-12 Thread Anthony Towns
On Sat, Nov 08, 2003 at 07:37:07PM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote: > On Wed, Nov 05, 2003 at 05:51:21PM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote: > > (And no, I don't much like saying "Debian will be 100% free", then > > deliberately contradicting yourself with an "except for...". But it's > > better to be up fro

Re: RFD: amendment of Debian Social Contract

2003-11-12 Thread Anthony Towns
On Tue, Nov 11, 2003 at 08:44:07PM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote: > > (BTW, in this proposed ballot, would the default option per the SRP be > > "Further Discussion" or "Don't change social contract"?) The default option for general resolutions is "Further Discussion", the default option for DPL e

Re: RFD: amendment of Debian Social Contract

2003-11-12 Thread Anthony Towns
On Sat, Nov 08, 2003 at 07:37:07PM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote: > On Wed, Nov 05, 2003 at 05:51:21PM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote: > > (And no, I don't much like saying "Debian will be 100% free", then > > deliberately contradicting yourself with an "except for...". But it's > > better to be up fro

Re: RFD: amendment of Debian Social Contract

2003-11-12 Thread Anthony Towns
On Tue, Nov 11, 2003 at 08:44:07PM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote: > > (BTW, in this proposed ballot, would the default option per the SRP be > > "Further Discussion" or "Don't change social contract"?) The default option for general resolutions is "Further Discussion", the default option for DPL e

Re: RFD: amendment of Debian Social Contract

2003-11-12 Thread Anthony DeRobertis
On Nov 12, 2003, at 01:24, Buddha Buck wrote: 252 ballots ranking 1234 253 ballots ranking 2314 251 ballots ranking 3124 250 ballots ranking 2221 It would strongly appear I misread the ballot results in my last post. Oops.

Re: RFD: amendment of Debian Social Contract

2003-11-12 Thread Anthony DeRobertis
On Nov 11, 2003, at 19:47, Branden Robinson wrote: Of course it does. Consider: [ ] Choice 1: Remove Clause 5 of the Social Contract(, Keep Debian Swirl Red) [ ] Choice 2: Remove Clause 5 of the Social Contract, Make Debian Swirl Green [ ] Choice 3: Remove Clause 5 of the Social Contr

Re: RFD: amendment of Debian Social Contract

2003-11-12 Thread Anthony DeRobertis
On Nov 12, 2003, at 01:24, Buddha Buck wrote: 252 ballots ranking 1234 253 ballots ranking 2314 251 ballots ranking 3124 250 ballots ranking 2221 It would strongly appear I misread the ballot results in my last post. Oops. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscr

Re: RFD: amendment of Debian Social Contract

2003-11-12 Thread Anthony DeRobertis
On Nov 11, 2003, at 19:47, Branden Robinson wrote: Of course it does. Consider: [ ] Choice 1: Remove Clause 5 of the Social Contract(, Keep Debian Swirl Red) [ ] Choice 2: Remove Clause 5 of the Social Contract, Make Debian Swirl Green [ ] Choice 3: Remove Clause 5 of the Social Contract

Re: GRs, irrelevant amendments, and insincere voting

2003-11-12 Thread Raul Miller
> On Sat, Nov 08, 2003 at 08:21:18PM -0500, Raul Miller wrote: > > In general, people who wish to vote insincerely need to have highly > > accurate predictions of the outcome of the vote to make sure their > > insincere vote doesn't result in an outcome less desirable than a > > sincere vote. On T

Re: GRs, irrelevant amendments, and insincere voting

2003-11-12 Thread Raul Miller
> On Sat, Nov 08, 2003 at 08:21:18PM -0500, Raul Miller wrote: > > In general, people who wish to vote insincerely need to have highly > > accurate predictions of the outcome of the vote to make sure their > > insincere vote doesn't result in an outcome less desirable than a > > sincere vote. On T

Re: RFD: amendment of Debian Social Contract

2003-11-12 Thread Steve Langasek
On Tue, Nov 11, 2003 at 08:26:38PM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote: > > AIUI, making this explicit and adding competing alternatives can only > > prejudice the original proposal if the success of that proposal > > depended on an ambiguous meaning. > That doesn't follow at all, as far as I can tell.

Re: RFD: amendment of Debian Social Contract

2003-11-12 Thread Steve Langasek
On Tue, Nov 11, 2003 at 08:26:38PM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote: > > AIUI, making this explicit and adding competing alternatives can only > > prejudice the original proposal if the success of that proposal > > depended on an ambiguous meaning. > That doesn't follow at all, as far as I can tell.

Re: RFD: amendment of Debian Social Contract

2003-11-12 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Wed, 12 Nov 2003 01:30:24 -0500, Buddha Buck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > Manoj Srivastava wrote: >> On Tue, 11 Nov 2003 19:47:23 -0500, Branden Robinson >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: >>> What happens? Our voting system does not give us the ability to >>> reach the common-sense conclusion that

Re: RFD: amendment of Debian Social Contract

2003-11-12 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Wed, 12 Nov 2003 01:30:24 -0500, Buddha Buck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > Manoj Srivastava wrote: >> On Tue, 11 Nov 2003 19:47:23 -0500, Branden Robinson >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: >>> What happens? Our voting system does not give us the ability to >>> reach the common-sense conclusion that

Re: RFD: amendment of Debian Social Contract

2003-11-12 Thread Buddha Buck
Manoj Srivastava wrote: On Tue, 11 Nov 2003 19:47:23 -0500, Branden Robinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: On Sat, Nov 08, 2003 at 08:28:54PM -0500, Raul Miller wrote: On Sat, Nov 08, 2003 at 06:56:15PM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote: Anthony's example splits a potential "change social contrac

Re: RFD: amendment of Debian Social Contract

2003-11-12 Thread Buddha Buck
Branden Robinson wrote: On Sat, Nov 08, 2003 at 08:28:54PM -0500, Raul Miller wrote: On Sat, Nov 08, 2003 at 06:56:15PM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote: Anthony's example splits a potential "change social contract" supermajority into two, and yours splits it into three. This pretty much ensur