Le Wed, Nov 07, 2001 at 07:49:20AM +0100, Martin Schulze écrivait:
> Just to make it clear, Manoj probably wrote that, not me. Thank him.
No, it's me. It's part of the general resolution that you posted for me
on d-d-a (that explains that your name appears on the quotation).
Cheers,
--
Raphaël
Karl M. Hegbloom wrote:
> > "Martin" == Martin Schulze <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> Martin> * Debian can't treat valuable contributors like it's done actually on
>IRC.
> Martin> Kicking a person who naturally has its place within the developer's
> Martin> community (becaus
> "Martin" == Martin Schulze <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
Martin> * Debian can't treat valuable contributors like it's done actually on IRC.
Martin> Kicking a person who naturally has its place within the developer's
Martin> community (because of his interest and his work) is n
On Sat, Nov 03, 2001 at 10:46:50PM -0500, Ben Collins wrote:
> On Sun, Nov 04, 2001 at 12:34:36PM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote:
>
> > Legislating where you can and can't talk about Debian issues is
> > bureaucracy gone mad.
>
> Amen to that. Why not just say "Developers should ensure that whereever
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Hello developers,
It resort for this thread that OPN policy let the channel founder choose the
channel policy to a large extend.
Suppose that Debian mandate a developer as "channel founder" to found a new
channel on OPN, then Debian can setup a policy on this channel under the limit
of the OPN pol
>>"Raphael" == Raphael Hertzog <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
Raphael> And I accept this because the population of #debian-devel is
Raphael> a representative subset of Debian which accept the decisions
Raphael> of Debian as a whole.
Rubissh. I wear many hats. I am a debian developer, but
>>"Anthony" == Anthony Towns writes:
>> by letting future maintainers join (and
>> lurk), we'll let them learn faster how Debian works.
Anthony> Congratulations! Some actual justification for what you want
Anthony> to happen! And now, you'll even get some on point rebuttal,
Anthony> inste
On Tue, Nov 06, 2001 at 08:59:57AM -0800, Luca Filipozzi wrote:
> "I propose that Debian dissociate itself from OpenProjects IRC Network and
> that Debian establish its own IRC network on its own hardware. This
> new IRC network will be called irc.debian.org and have no association
> with irc.op
On Tue, Nov 06, 2001 at 05:56:47PM +0100, Raphael Hertzog wrote:
> I don't think so. Overfiend told that he would apply whatever policy we
> come up with. According to that statement, it's up to Debian to clarify
> how #debian-devel should be managed.
Branden Robinson is not the channel founder of
On Tue, Nov 06, 2001 at 05:56:47PM +0100, Raphael Hertzog wrote:
> Except when they do a /whois buxy for example while i'm in another debian
> related channel.
+s channels do not appear in WHOIS replies, unless the client that
issued the WHOIS is already in the channel.
--
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>>"Raphael" == Raphael Hertzog <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
Raphael> You're getting ridiculous... check the FACTS, check what is
Raphael> the subject of the channel, check who is there and what they
Raphael> are doing.
At the last USENIX meeting, we had a room full of people,
talking
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On Tue, Nov 06, 2001 at 08:57:57AM +0100, Raphael Hertzog wrote:
> Anyway what I meant is that i don't need to prove that #debian-devel
> is debian related and that it can be made official.
It cannot be made official because the resources on which #debian-devel
exists are not the property of Debia
Le Wed, Nov 07, 2001 at 01:28:34AM +1000, Anthony Towns écrivait:
> Which indicates nothing more than that you didn't understand what I said.
Granted.
> > Of course I have :
> > - unofficial means "not referenced in any debian documentation"
>
> If that's exactly what it means, then in the inter
>>"Raphael" == Raphael Hertzog <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
Raphael> And I accept this because the population of #debian-devel is
Raphael> a representative subset of Debian which accept the decisions
Raphael> of Debian as a whole.
Rubissh. I wear many hats. I am a debian developer, bu
On Tue, Nov 06, 2001 at 01:24:45PM +0100, Raphael Hertzog wrote:
> Le Tue, Nov 06, 2001 at 06:07:49PM +1000, Anthony Towns écrivait:
> > The burden of proof is always on the person making a positive
> > claim. "Prove that he's never read this book", versus "Prove that he
> > has read this book", eg
>>"Anthony" == Anthony Towns <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>> by letting future maintainers join (and
>> lurk), we'll let them learn faster how Debian works.
Anthony> Congratulations! Some actual justification for what you want
Anthony> to happen! And now, you'll even get some on point rebut
On Tue, Nov 06, 2001 at 08:59:57AM -0800, Luca Filipozzi wrote:
> "I propose that Debian dissociate itself from OpenProjects IRC Network and
> that Debian establish its own IRC network on its own hardware. This
> new IRC network will be called irc.debian.org and have no association
> with irc.o
On Tue, Nov 06, 2001 at 05:56:47PM +0100, Raphael Hertzog wrote:
> I don't think so. Overfiend told that he would apply whatever policy we
> come up with. According to that statement, it's up to Debian to clarify
> how #debian-devel should be managed.
Branden Robinson is not the channel founder o
On Tue, Nov 06, 2001 at 05:56:47PM +0100, Raphael Hertzog wrote:
> Except when they do a /whois buxy for example while i'm in another debian
> related channel.
+s channels do not appear in WHOIS replies, unless the client that
issued the WHOIS is already in the channel.
--
.''`. ** Debian GN
>>"Raphael" == Raphael Hertzog <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
Raphael> You're getting ridiculous... check the FACTS, check what is
Raphael> the subject of the channel, check who is there and what they
Raphael> are doing.
At the last USENIX meeting, we had a room full of people,
talking
On Tue, Nov 06, 2001 at 08:57:57AM +0100, Raphael Hertzog wrote:
> Anyway what I meant is that i don't need to prove that #debian-devel
> is debian related and that it can be made official.
It cannot be made official because the resources on which #debian-devel
exists are not the property of Debi
Le Wed, Nov 07, 2001 at 01:28:34AM +1000, Anthony Towns écrivait:
> Which indicates nothing more than that you didn't understand what I said.
Granted.
> > Of course I have :
> > - unofficial means "not referenced in any debian documentation"
>
> If that's exactly what it means, then in the inte
On Tue, Nov 06, 2001 at 01:24:45PM +0100, Raphael Hertzog wrote:
> Le Tue, Nov 06, 2001 at 06:07:49PM +1000, Anthony Towns écrivait:
> > The burden of proof is always on the person making a positive
> > claim. "Prove that he's never read this book", versus "Prove that he
> > has read this book", e
On Tue, Nov 06, 2001 at 12:28:12AM +0100, Raphael Hertzog wrote:
> Now, since neither Branden, nor Wichert felt the reason to answer
> in this thread (and since people think that they are those who are able to
> make a decision on this point (being channel operator and channel founder)),
> I think
Le Tue, Nov 06, 2001 at 10:15:14AM +0100, Sven écrivait:
> Hello, ...
Hi,
> but in the case this resolution pass, does it mean that all developper must
> be on irc all the time to take part of the discution there ? What happens
> when someone goes to sleep, or when someone is not an irc user ? wi
Le Tue, Nov 06, 2001 at 06:07:49PM +1000, Anthony Towns écrivait:
> The burden of proof is always on the person making a positive
> claim. "Prove that he's never read this book", versus "Prove that he
> has read this book", eg.
You're making the positive claim : « #debian-devel is out of Debian's
On Sat, Nov 03, 2001 at 11:15:41PM -0500, Ben Collins wrote:
> On Sun, Nov 04, 2001 at 02:06:59PM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote:
> > Or perhaps "Please respect the privacy of this mailing list." ?
>
> Works for me. Let's implement that. Should we start a new GR to formally
> approve this sig that we
On Tue, Nov 06, 2001 at 12:28:12AM +0100, Raphael Hertzog wrote:
> Now, since neither Branden, nor Wichert felt the reason to answer
> in this thread (and since people think that they are those who are able to
> make a decision on this point (being channel operator and channel founder)),
> I think
Le Tue, Nov 06, 2001 at 10:15:14AM +0100, Sven écrivait:
> Hello, ...
Hi,
> but in the case this resolution pass, does it mean that all developper must
> be on irc all the time to take part of the discution there ? What happens
> when someone goes to sleep, or when someone is not an irc user ? w
Le Tue, Nov 06, 2001 at 06:07:49PM +1000, Anthony Towns écrivait:
> The burden of proof is always on the person making a positive
> claim. "Prove that he's never read this book", versus "Prove that he
> has read this book", eg.
You're making the positive claim : « #debian-devel is out of Debian's
On Sat, Nov 03, 2001 at 11:15:41PM -0500, Ben Collins wrote:
> On Sun, Nov 04, 2001 at 02:06:59PM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote:
> > Or perhaps "Please respect the privacy of this mailing list." ?
>
> Works for me. Let's implement that. Should we start a new GR to formally
> approve this sig that we
Hello, ...
I am not myself an irc user, so i may be not aware of all 'features' of irc
but in the case this resolution pass, does it mean that all developper must
be on irc all the time to take part of the discution there ? What happens
when someone goes to sleep, or when someone is not an irc use
On Tue, Nov 06, 2001 at 08:57:57AM +0100, Raphael Hertzog wrote:
> > I assert that you are a gerbil.
> > By your logic it is now your responsibility to demonstrate that you
> > are not.
> Gerbils don't write on public mailing lists. :)
That's clearly false: you're a gerbil, and you're writing on a
Le Tue, Nov 06, 2001 at 01:24:59AM +, Andrew Suffield écrivait:
> Tell me when you last saw over a hundred developers active on the
> channel in question at once. It's usually more like a dozen or so,
> with a whole pile of lurkers.
That doesn't change anything. (When you meet in restaurant, y
Hello, ...
I am not myself an irc user, so i may be not aware of all 'features' of irc
but in the case this resolution pass, does it mean that all developper must
be on irc all the time to take part of the discution there ? What happens
when someone goes to sleep, or when someone is not an irc us
On Tue, Nov 06, 2001 at 08:57:57AM +0100, Raphael Hertzog wrote:
> > I assert that you are a gerbil.
> > By your logic it is now your responsibility to demonstrate that you
> > are not.
> Gerbils don't write on public mailing lists. :)
That's clearly false: you're a gerbil, and you're writing on
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