Re: An ammendment (Re: Formal CFV: General Resolution to Abolish Non-Free)

2000-06-12 Thread John Goerzen
Hamish Moffatt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Sat, Jun 10, 2000 at 03:30:04PM -0500, John Goerzen wrote: > > What do we need this in a GR for? > > To reaffirm the principles you are working to erode. Your principles are the support and spreading of non-free software? Just what is wrong with e

Re: in or out of the distribution (Re: An ammendment (Re: Formal CFV: General Resolution to Abolish Non-Free))

2000-06-12 Thread Anthony Towns
On Mon, Jun 12, 2000 at 12:53:44PM -0600, Bruce Sass wrote: > If you really want to show that non-free and contrib are not part of the > distribution you should move them out from under "dists". > ftp...debian.org/ > debian/ # has infrastructure support > dists/

Re: An ammendment (Re: Formal CFV: General Resolution to Abolish Non-Free)

2000-06-12 Thread Anthony Towns
On Mon, Jun 12, 2000 at 09:10:47PM -0400, Branden Robinson wrote: > On Sat, Jun 10, 2000 at 05:22:43PM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote: > > The intention of this ammendment is to provide a means for developers to > > offer their support of the existing social contract while acknowledging > > that the c

Re: It isn't quite Condorcet's method.

2000-06-12 Thread Darren O. Benham
I could rediscribe the method but I couldn't make changes as large as what were suggested without going through the formal change process for the constitution. On Mon, Jun 12, 2000 at 07:27:43PM -0600, Jason Gunthorpe wrote: > > On Mon, 12 Jun 2000, Branden Robinson wrote: > > > I should point o

Re: It isn't quite Condorcet's method.

2000-06-12 Thread Jason Gunthorpe
On Mon, 12 Jun 2000, Branden Robinson wrote: > I should point out that leaving this issue unresolved makes it possible for > people to raise a legitimate challenge to our voting procedure, since the > present description avails itself of multiple interpretations of the same > set of ballots. I a

Re: It isn't quite Condorcet's method.

2000-06-12 Thread Branden Robinson
On Mon, Jun 12, 2000 at 02:58:35PM -0700, Darren O. Benham wrote: > In the end, it takes a lot to change our constitution and I fail to see what > would be gained. Elimination of ambuguity. Recent events have persuaded me, however, that lots of people like their ambiguity, even if it ultimately e

Re: An ammendment (Re: Formal CFV: General Resolution to Abolish Non-Free)

2000-06-12 Thread Branden Robinson
On Sat, Jun 10, 2000 at 05:22:43PM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote: > The intention of this ammendment is to provide a means for developers to > offer their support of the existing social contract while acknowledging > that the current situation does indeed give somewhat too much credibility. I'm afrai

Re: It isn't quite Condorcet's method.

2000-06-12 Thread Darren O. Benham
I could rediscribe the method but I couldn't make changes as large as what were suggested without going through the formal change process for the constitution. On Mon, Jun 12, 2000 at 07:27:43PM -0600, Jason Gunthorpe wrote: > > On Mon, 12 Jun 2000, Branden Robinson wrote: > > > I should point

Re: It isn't quite Condorcet's method.

2000-06-12 Thread Jason Gunthorpe
On Mon, 12 Jun 2000, Branden Robinson wrote: > I should point out that leaving this issue unresolved makes it possible for > people to raise a legitimate challenge to our voting procedure, since the > present description avails itself of multiple interpretations of the same > set of ballots. I

Re: It isn't quite Condorcet's method.

2000-06-12 Thread Branden Robinson
On Mon, Jun 12, 2000 at 02:58:35PM -0700, Darren O. Benham wrote: > In the end, it takes a lot to change our constitution and I fail to see what > would be gained. Elimination of ambuguity. Recent events have persuaded me, however, that lots of people like their ambiguity, even if it ultimately

Re: An ammendment (Re: Formal CFV: General Resolution to Abolish Non-Free)

2000-06-12 Thread Branden Robinson
On Sat, Jun 10, 2000 at 05:22:43PM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote: > The intention of this ammendment is to provide a means for developers to > offer their support of the existing social contract while acknowledging > that the current situation does indeed give somewhat too much credibility. I'm afra

Re: It isn't quite Condorcet's method.

2000-06-12 Thread Darren O. Benham
In the end, it takes a lot to change our constitution and I fail to see what would be gained. On Mon, Jun 12, 2000 at 01:36:43AM +, MIKE OSSIPOFF wrote: > [snipped an interesting and long discussion on voting methods] > > If members of debian want to perfect their voting system, > then I sug

Re: An ammendment (Re: Formal CFV: General Resolution to Abolish Non-Free)

2000-06-12 Thread Joey Hess
I second this amendment. Anthony Towns wrote: > On Wed, Jun 07, 2000 at 11:03:33PM -0500, John Goerzen wrote: > > DEBIAN GENERAL RESOLUTION > > Proposed by: John Goerzen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > I wish to propose an ammendment to the proposed resolution as follows. > > The text of the resolution

Re: It isn't quite Condorcet's method.

2000-06-12 Thread Darren O. Benham
In the end, it takes a lot to change our constitution and I fail to see what would be gained. On Mon, Jun 12, 2000 at 01:36:43AM +, MIKE OSSIPOFF wrote: > [snipped an interesting and long discussion on voting methods] > > If members of debian want to perfect their voting system, > then I su

in or out of the distribution (Re: An ammendment (Re: Formal CFV: General Resolution to Abolish Non-Free))

2000-06-12 Thread Bruce Sass
On Mon, 12 Jun 2000, C. Cooke wrote: > On Sun, 11 Jun 2000, Anthony Towns wrote: > > to dists/woody/ > > main > > add-on/ <...> > > dists/woody/ > debian > non-debian/ If you really want to show that non-free and contrib are not part of the distribution you sh

Re: An ammendment (Re: Formal CFV: General Resolution to Abolish Non-Free)

2000-06-12 Thread Joey Hess
I second this amendment. Anthony Towns wrote: > On Wed, Jun 07, 2000 at 11:03:33PM -0500, John Goerzen wrote: > > DEBIAN GENERAL RESOLUTION > > Proposed by: John Goerzen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > I wish to propose an ammendment to the proposed resolution as follows. > > The text of the resolution

in or out of the distribution (Re: An ammendment (Re: Formal CFV: General Resolution to Abolish Non-Free))

2000-06-12 Thread Bruce Sass
On Mon, 12 Jun 2000, C. Cooke wrote: > On Sun, 11 Jun 2000, Anthony Towns wrote: > > to dists/woody/ > > main > > add-on/ <...> > > dists/woody/ > debian > non-debian/ If you really want to show that non-free and contrib are not part of the distribution you s

Re: An ammendment (Re: Formal CFV: General Resolution to Abolish Non-Free)

2000-06-12 Thread C. Cooke
On Sun, 11 Jun 2000, Anthony Towns wrote: > > dists/ woody/ > main > contrib > non-free > > todists/woody/ > main > add-on/ > contrib > non-free > ex

Re: Removing non-free - reality check.

2000-06-12 Thread Sven Rudolph
Joseph Carter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Double standards are damned fun! > > "Does Debian include non-free software?" > "Well that depends ... Debian doesn't officially provide non-free, no." > "Unofficially?" > "It's all there, waiting for you." > "Cool." Thats the difference between the D

Re: An ammendment (Re: Formal CFV: General Resolution to AbolishNon-Free)

2000-06-12 Thread C. Cooke
On Sun, 11 Jun 2000, Anthony Towns wrote: > > dists/ woody/ > main > contrib > non-free > > todists/woody/ > main > add-on/ > contrib > non-free > e

Re: Removing non-free - reality check.

2000-06-12 Thread Sven Rudolph
Joseph Carter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Double standards are damned fun! > > "Does Debian include non-free software?" > "Well that depends ... Debian doesn't officially provide non-free, no." > "Unofficially?" > "It's all there, waiting for you." > "Cool." Thats the difference between the

Re: Formal CFV: General Resolution to Abolish Non-Free

2000-06-12 Thread Santiago Vila
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- On 7 Jun 2000, John Goerzen wrote: > Debian General Resolution > > Resolved: > > A. That the Debian Social Contract with the Free Software Community be > amended as follows: > > 1. That text of Section 5 be modified to read: "We acknowledge that > some of

Re: Formal CFV: General Resolution to Abolish Non-Free

2000-06-12 Thread Santiago Vila
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- On 7 Jun 2000, John Goerzen wrote: > Debian General Resolution > > Resolved: > > A. That the Debian Social Contract with the Free Software Community be > amended as follows: > > 1. That text of Section 5 be modified to read: "We acknowledge that > some o