Re: Moving contrib and non-free of master.debian.org

1999-07-08 Thread Jason Gunthorpe
On Thu, 8 Jul 1999, Martin Schulze wrote: > Moving the non-free (and contrib) part out of the main archive is a > logical conclusion to our social contract. I don't understand why > developers who agree to our social contract now disagree with this > conclusion. Well, nobody has been able to sh

Re: The Gordian Knot (was Re: Negative Summary of the Split Proposal)

1999-07-08 Thread Michael Stone
On Thu, Jul 08, 1999 at 12:22:45AM -0400, you wrote: > It has a direct effect on what happens when people use FTP as the > interface to access the packages. That isn't the only interface, but > it is one of them (or at least it was in the past). > > Are we having a misunderstanding about somethin

Re: The Gordian Knot (was Re: Negative Summary of the Split Proposal)

1999-07-08 Thread Michael Stone
On Thu, Jul 08, 1999 at 12:22:45AM -0400, Richard Stallman wrote: > It's true that the GNU Project could set up its own Debian web site > with a modified version of the web pages. I don't want to do that, > for a few reasons: [snip] > * It would be less effective, since every time we say "We recom

Re: The Gordian Knot (was Re: Negative Summary of the Split Proposal)

1999-07-08 Thread Raul Miller
Ean R . Schuessler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I think that it is far more valuable if we present the oppurtunities > to use non-free software to our users, but are certain to embed a > message which represents our views while doing so. For instance, if > the website package search system could of

Re: Moving contrib and non-free of master.debian.org

1999-07-08 Thread Martin Schulze
Wichert Akkerman - Debian project leader wrote: > I already mentioned a while ago that I think that the distinction > between main and contrib & non-free is becoming less clear, both > to users and developers. Apparently. However, one thing you haven't mentioned yet, are out package-fetch tools l

Re: The Gordian Knot (was Re: Negative Summary of the Split Proposal)

1999-07-08 Thread Ean R . Schuessler
On Thu, Jul 08, 1999 at 12:22:45AM -0400, Richard Stallman wrote: > That is part of the issue: I would like to be able to refer people to > an official Debian web site, without thus referring people to the > non-free packages. This is not the whole of the issue because the web > is not the only in

Re: The Gordian Knot (was Re: Negative Summary of the Split Proposal)

1999-07-08 Thread Chris Lawrence
On Jul 08, Richard Stallman wrote: > What I understand you want is a page, or set of pages, that just talk > about the "main" section and don't link to anywhere that talks about > contrib or non-free. > > That is part of the issue: I would like to be able to refer people to > an offici

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Re: The Gordian Knot (was Re: Negative Summary of the Split Proposal)

1999-07-08 Thread Jason Gunthorpe
On Thu, 8 Jul 1999, Richard Stallman wrote: > Maybe the situation is different with apt. I have very little > information about apt, little more than has appeared in the recent > discussion. Is there a a good source of information on how > apt interacts with the user--on what questions it asks?

Re: The Gordian Knot (was Re: Negative Summary of the Split Proposal)

1999-07-08 Thread Richard Stallman
My understanding was that the archive split proposal only affects the FTP and HTTP services for downloading packages. As such, it does nothing to promote your goal of providing an interface to only the free packages (it only changes the URLs of the non-free ones). It has a direct

Re: The Gordian Knot (was Re: Negative Summary of the Split Proposal)

1999-07-08 Thread Richard Stallman
What I understand you want is a page, or set of pages, that just talk about the "main" section and don't link to anywhere that talks about contrib or non-free. That is part of the issue: I would like to be able to refer people to an official Debian web site, without thus referring peop

Re: Negative Summary of the Split Proposal

1999-07-08 Thread Richard Stallman
Unless the user is aware of the problems of software licensing, he will never know what GNU/Linux is all about. I agree with you, and I am constantly working to inform people about this. The best way to bring this issue to users' attention is to (1) provide articles about the issue,