>
> In other words, the difference between a P200 and a P200MMX is nada.
>
Actually, this is a little false. the 200MMX has an increased cache, that
helps a fair bit over a standard 200.
SSE
There is no Emotion, There is Peace
There is no Ignorance, There is Knowledge
There is no Passion, The
FPE
"/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/misc/" refcount is 2, should be 1; fixing."
This can be remedied by reinstalling just the svga server from bo (3.3).
Any ideas on what's causing this and how to get around it?
tgui9680 w/ 1meg
Triton II VX
Cyrix 150+
40 Meg ram.
Thanks,
Seth
>
> > > Actually all of that list is possible, with the possible exception
> > > of M$Word...
> >
> Okay, I havent used it.. but what about Lyx?? Ive heard good things about
> it.. Comments?
>
Try StarOffice4.0. It's actually fairly Word compatible.
still get errors using dselect. and I managed to erase my
sources list along the way.
during the install it walked me through setting up my sources list. is there
another way to run that tutorial again
Thanks all, and so far i am VERY impressed with Debian
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Try having a look at Hymn (http://hymn-project.org).
Seth
Baz wrote:
> So, it appears the only way to play music purchased from Apple (mp4
> audio files) on Linux is to burn a CD, then rip them - or, use CrossOver
> Office. Yes?
>
> Sebastian
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tell me how to modify my sources.list file to get this
done, and what the command would be to update those particular apps? At
the moment I have the standard sources.list file that comes with a
Libranet 2.7 install. Thanks...
Seth Williamson
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> Having X detect all the valid modes
There are an awful lot of valid modes, most of which are completely
unusable.
ending Config-Requests
May 16 13:42:12 Mahdi pppd[208]: Connection terminated.
May 16 13:42:12 Mahdi pppd[208]: Hangup (SIGHUP)
May 16 13:42:12 Mahdi pppd[208]: Exit.
Now the only thing that I don't see in the second log from kernel 2.2.5 is where
it is actually sending my username and password. Is there any reason for this
difference? Is my problem more severe then that?
I would like to thank you all for any help I receive in advance. I have tried
everything I can think of as well as many suggestions from others in irc. Last
suggestion I received was to send the cry for help here.
tia,
Seth Turner
I'm sending this to both debian-laptop and debian-user. No one on
debian-laptop has been able to help me with this, but other folks
there might be interested in solutions if anyone on debian-user has
one.
I have a Sony VAIO PCG-838 running Slink, but with a custom-built
2.2.1 kernel. I don't ha
The solution turned out to be simple: upgrade the kernel. I'd have
thought 2.2.1 would have been sufficient, but upgrading to 2.2.9 made
everything just work.
Thanks to all who replied, especially Graziano, who came up with the
right answer.
Matt Kokidko <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> starts ppp daemon, but after 2-3 seconds it says PPP daemon has
> died! (exit code = 1) Disconnecting at ..
Sounds like there's a problem with the PPP config. Edit
/etc/ppp/options and add a line:
debug
Then you'll have more info to puzzle over in
27;t afford to toast my other
OS's just yet becaue I rely on them to get work done.
Thanks,
Seth
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On Fri, 14 Mar 1997, Micheal Walker wrote:
> How can I setup my modem to get online?
>
1) what computer platform? (linux, mac os, win 3, win 95, etc)
2)What software? (winsock, mac tcp, etc)
3)What modem? (us robotics, hayes, etc)
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the name of the file you are working with (notice
the extension) and new name is the name of the file after compiling
(notice no extension)
Bonne Chance!
Good Luck!
Buena Suerte!
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How do I get a program to read data from a document not a function?
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I have looked but have not seemed to find in the man gcc page how to
extract data from a document into a program.
Please help.
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Thanx
and may God Bless you
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On Mon, 24 Mar 1997, Daniel J. Mashao wrote:
> On Mon, 24 Mar 1997, Seth Reinosa wrote:
>
> > I have looked but have not seemed to find in the man gcc page how to
> > extract data from a document into a program.
> > Please help.
> What do you mean?
> If you mean
Ahh finally somebody read my clouded mind and the correct answer was
redirection "program name < file.to be.read"
Thanx alot guys and girls especially to all professionals.
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Thanx
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Thanx
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I am having difficulty compiling kernel 2.0.27 2.
So I tried a compile without any of the kernel features for the sake of
diagnosing the problem, and the problem persisted.
It comes at the end when compiling is finished and make calls the ld
command:
ld: warning: cannot find entry symbol _start; d
Please allow me to repeat myself and add some more (relative?) info:
I am having difficulty compiling kernel v. 2.0.27.
I was/am using a precompiled kernel which is also v. 2.0.27.
I am using Binutils v. 2.7.0.3, which is the version listed as current in
/usr/src/linux/Documentation/Changes
I am u
I solved the compiling problem I was having b4. Now I'm having all kinds
of fun new problems trying to compile one with ppp and other options. Just
thought I'd gripe... :P
Thanks 4 listening :)
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I have been upgrading my debian 1.3 distribution - to some of the files in
unstable.
After I did this I get errors everytime update-menus runs.
It just core dumps.
Any ideas on why/how to fix it.
Thanks
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After I did this I get errors everytime update-menus runs.
It just core dumps.
Any ideas on why/how to fix it.
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I was curious if, after pgcc (pentium optimized gcc) comes out there will be
any movement to make an i-586 distribution of debian. an i-586 distribution
should run faster.
Any comments/thoughts?
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>
this is from the PGCC faq
4.2 How much improvement?
Speed improvements range from 2% to 30% (rare), but the current compiler does
not enable all opts by default since many of them are unstable. However, the
hand-compiled g
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I am setting up a linux box for proxy masquing what is the what is the
lowest motherboard I can get with decent performance.
I will be using maybe an ethernet card and/or a local talk card and/or an
internal modem.
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Lets say I was messing around with a windoze machine and I found this
thing called unix.
If I were to run it how would I find out what version it is?
is it linux bsd etc?
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guavac-0.2.5-linuxelf-bin.tar.gz
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t one copy), so I grabbed
the source code, dug out the perl books, and wrote a patch. David took
it, and bingo, now _everyone_ can do grepmail -u. Your turn, Steve.
Seth
You know you're having a bad day when... you rip into someone on
debian-user, and tell them to 'Use the Source'...
On Tue, 22 Aug 2000, Steve Lamb wrote:
> On Tue, Aug 22, 2000 at 06:47:49PM -0700, Seth Cohn wrote:
> > So go ahead, start a sourceforge project page, and write a damn clone.
>
> Go look on Sourceforge in the email clients and notice what the first one
> /is/.
The first on
mail shouldn't pass thru outside mail
servers. This is actually a sound practice, if a bit paranoid, but I can
understand the requirement.
I might have plonked Steve, but don't misstate what he asked.
Seth
Tonight at the Eugene Linux user group meeting, not only were the regulars
there, like myself and Mike Smith, but I had the pleasant experience of
meeting Brian Moore, whom I had no idea was local. We had some laughs and
all agreed once again that arguing with Steve Lamb was pointless...
Pretty
t.
Looks like digests are broken, could someone fix please?
Seth
release
> has fixed the problem.
>
Perhaps I misunderstand, but my impression of this is that the patches
for older releases, where present, essentially upgrade older versions
to newer versions.
No, they fix holes or bugs, NOT add new features.
> I just don't understand your friends' revulsion.
I do. And the world of programming would have had to changed a whole
lot more than I think it has for my concerns about this approach to be
satisfied.
Hope this clears up your questions.
Seth
On Mon, 18 Sep 2000, C. Falconer wrote:
> Gidday - I have a couple standard Potato machines at work, and one at home
> as a standard Masquerading gateway. I've been playing with licq and
> Xvnc. On discovering that licq was up to version 0.85 from the 0.76 I was
> using I tried
>
> apt-get i
1) the Linuxcare Bootable Biz card CD will do some of this
(http://www.linuxcare.com/bootable_cd
it will install a Slink+1/2, among other things.
2) Lubbock, my own project spunoff from the Linuxcare one, and a major
goal of Lubbock is to become much more Debian-ish, and can always use more
deve
> The Dell OptiPlex GX110 is using i810e chipset.
> I think it's best to
> describe what I went through.
Been there, done that. Complained to Branden, because at the time, he
didn't even HAVE the link he'd promised in the docs, on the website.
He fixed that though. :) He doesn't include the mo
On Thu, 28 Sep 2000, Joe Emenaker wrote:
> Some time ago, I asked about any utility that could take a list of
> machines and find the one that's closest, so that I could find the
> best mirror to point dselect to. Someone responded that I should try
> "netselect", which did help a lot. However, ne
On Sat, 30 Sep 2000, Joe Emenaker wrote:
> > This is a nice idea. You are doing both http _and_ ftp, right?
>
> Not yet. Do you have any numbers on how many people actually use http for
> dselect? Strangely, I've almost always used FTP for transferring files and
> HTTP for transferring hypertext.
> Debian has a apt-cache program that works great for exactly
> that purpose.
Correction: it's called apt-proxy. apt-cache is entirely different. :)
BTW, while I'm at it: You folks who wrote "sign me up" and "me
too" - _ever_ heard of private replies? This isn't AOL, thank you very
much.
On Sat, 30 Sep 2000, Ben Collins wrote:
> [1] Debian Chaos Events are scheduled on a haphazard basis. We make no
> guarantees about show times.
Coming soon, Watch the Amazing Horse that dives into a Package Pool!!
See the unstable freaks who apt-get update every 10 minutes!!!
Hear the weird wild
've got everything needed to make changes
> If you do decide to do this, you might want to ask more generally for
> hints (or solutions) from other folks (try the LinuxCare website),
> and/or post your own results. Would make a cool little Linux Zip
> distro.
join the Lubbock mailing list, or even the Lubbock developer team...
Seth Cohn
lead developer
Greetings folks;
I cannot find an X terminal Emulator I like. I am hoping someone out
there can point me in the right direction. (CC's on replies would be
nice, BTW.)
xterm doesn't let home/end work.
aterm doesn't let home/end work.
Eterm doesn't let home/end work.
wterm doesn't let the numeric k
* Forrest English <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [010316 15:44]:
> home and end work for me in my xterms and eterms. could it be you are
> using older versions or somthing? i remember at one point they didn't
> work. but, i think it works using woody or unstable packages.
Well, I too thought once upon a t
ello world kernel module
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#include "../include/linux/kernel.h"
#include "../include/linux/module.h"
#if CONFIG_MODVERSION==1
#define MODVERSION
#include "../include/linux/modversions.h"
#endif
i
Original Poster: The cache is there so that you can back out failed
upgrades. I have seen several times when a new package broke something
important an older version of the package did correctly. (Example: Mutt,
libiconv, a month ago or so?)
This way, you can use dpkg to downgrade to an older pack
Ok, I managed to compile the kernel module successfully.
/usr/share/doc/kernel-package/README.headers file was the starting point
to understanding. The file contains a hint about using -I to compile
against the exact kernel headers required. I also had to use the
-nostdinc flag to gcc, and add oth
Russell, the debian-x mail list (in recent times anyway) is more
intended for developers and ginuea pigs of XF86 4.0. debian-users is
more appropriate.
What I would imagine to fix your problem is to edit your
/etc/X11/XF86Config file. I bet the 100dpi fonts are listed before the
75 dpi fonts. If s
ed is pretty vague.
Is the problem the DNS failed, or what? This is a case where a clearer
error messgae would really help track down the problem.
no time right now to browse the sources, or else I would...
Seth
* Olaf Meeuwissen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [001009 22:58]:
> > What I would imagine to fix your problem is to edit your
> > /etc/X11/XF86Config file. I bet the 100dpi fonts are listed before the
> > 75 dpi fonts. If so, swap their order and restart X.
> You could also just purge the xfonts-100dpi packag
more) over the entire archive system. It's quite nice.
auto-apt will attempt to apt-get any file if something calls it. So if
you went to compile a kernel and were missing as86, it would get the bin86
package...
auto-apt is in woody I believe.
Seth
Greetings everyone.
Long story short -- a friend, via ftpd on my OpenBSD box, send a file
slightly larger than two gigs to my Debian machine. The OpenBSD box nfs
mounts its ftp stuff from my Debian machine. I now get errors of the
sort:
$ ls -l
ls: mydocs.zip: Value too large for defined data typ
First, hello and thanks. Please be gentle, this is my first debian-users
post.
Whilst installing debian-stable I am encountering the most bizarre
behavior: During the apt-setup stage, using ftp or http,
the "Connecting" stage of opening an apt mirror takes upwards of a
minute, but the actual file
urces are ftp://. Everything else is
straight from the default installation (stable) config.
Acquire::ftp::passive "true";
Acquire::http::Proxy "http://seth:3128/";;
// Pre-configure all packages before they are installed.
// (Automatically added by d
This is a stock potato 2.2.19 kernel from my initial installation of
debian about 2 days ago. In the logs it definitly shows "Adding
Swap:..." and no errors. 'free' and 'swapon -s' show that I have 64
megs of swap space on my swap partition that are completely empty. So
why does it refuse to use
On Thu, Dec 13, 2001 at 12:51:32PM +0700, Oki DZ wrote:
> You can try Coda filesystem; http://www.coda.cs.cmu.edu.
It seems a lot of people are thinking about sharing .dot files this week.
I asked this same sort of question on the NYLUG list and someone said
Coda was seriously unfinished and sugge
On Thu, Dec 13, 2001 at 12:07:43PM +0700, Oki DZ wrote:
> Hi,
>
> It seems that as long as you don't kill the server, everything would be as
> what you left out. Interesting... It's kinda neat, I think. Next time you
> logged in to the remote host using the xvncviewer, you'd get your last
> deskto
On Wed, Dec 12, 2001 at 06:34:39PM -0400, m(y) wrote:
> Les paquets necessaires pour installer la version developpement
> d'evolution sur un systeme debian sont disponsible à:
> ftp://spidermonkey.ximian.com/pub/evolution-snapshot/debian-potato-i386/
>
> Je crois qu'il y avait un "apt source" non-
On Fri, Dec 14, 2001 at 11:33:32PM -0500, Akintayo Holder wrote:
> Try GRUB.
[snip]
> map (hd0) (hd1) [Windows thinks it is on the first disk]
> map (hd1) (hd0)
> rootnoverify (hd1,0)
> makeactive
> chainloader +1
> boot
I am running potato and when I run grub, the "map" command is not
recogniz
On Sat, Dec 15, 2001 at 01:29:26PM -0500, dman wrote:
> The same thing happens with elm. The issue is telling the MUA that
> the folders are "inboxes" (able to receive mail). mutt treats all
> folders this way (and, for elm users, it has almost the same
> keybindings and better screen real estate
On Sun, Dec 16, 2001 at 03:31:18PM +0100, José Luis Ayala wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I've just configured my sound car (Intel 820 chipset AC'97) with ALSA
> (unstable) but it does not work properly. I can listen to the sound events of
> the desktop and CDs (with the gnome utility) but I can't
On Wed, Dec 26, 2001 at 07:47:28PM +, Steve Knight wrote:
> I use 'mkisofs' under Debian.
If you're also using cdrecord for the actual burning, I've been hit
by the problem that it screws up the last couple files on any ISO.
Just about the only fix someone seems to have mentioned for this
myst
In various comments the author of cdrecord blames some kernel read-ahead
bug for his cdrecord program damaging the last few files on any ISO that
you burn. I just want to know if anyone else has either seen this problem
or fixed it?
Every image I burn is useless, not to mention that if I
tell cd
Anyone else seeing this problem? If so much as:
$ ogg123 -d oss foo.ogg &
$ startx
My entire machine instantly always crashes to the degree that I can't
even ping it. Vorbis is from the alienized rpm packages from
www.vorbis.com, X is the basic Potato installation version. Audi
In various comments the author of cdrecord blames some kernel
read-ahead bug for cdrecord damaging the last few files on any ISO
that you burn. I just want to know if anyone else has either seen
this problem or fixed it?
Every image I burn is useless, not to mention that if I tell cdrecord
to do
> On Wednesday 09 January 2002 11:40, Mirek Dobsicek wrote:
> > As far, as I know, parted works only on ext2fs
I don't know if the gnu documentation is correct, but it claims
that parted works on ext2fs, fat and fat32, with the option of growing
or shrinking and copying them all. But no, I don't
ebian on
my PE Servers, I'll need to maintain my own .deb
kernel packages, and compile new ones each time
an exploit is discovered ?
Or find a bloke who has already made some.
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port is usually harder to configure,
> detect etc etc... so better us well-known (assigned) ports.
Actually, there is a standardized way to communicate ports for a given
service via DNS: SRV records. Except that almost nobody uses them :)
Since this mechanism did not exist until recently,
uction quality.
Even on well-designed power supplies, the fan is far more likely to
fail than any other component. It is not difficult to have the
supply gracefully shut down if the airflow stops for any reason,
but this feature is often absent from consumer-grade PC power
supplies.
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r a
package like a processor. The primary failure mode is bond wires
opening, and it is strongly temperature dependent. A typical power
device has 3 bond wires, while a processor has several hundred, so the
overall failure rate for this type of package gets too high at a much
lower temperature.
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ronment, we normally
assume 40 degrees max ambient, which means the air and all surfaces
surrounding the case. Industrial electronics are often designed for 50
degrees ambient with the case interior being 15 degrees higher.
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Douglas Tutty wrote on Monday, January 08, 2007 8:02 AM -0600:
> On Sun, Jan 07, 2007 at 11:52:57PM -0600, Seth Goodman wrote:
> > Douglas Tutty wrote on Sunday, January 07, 2007 4:20 PM -0600:
> >
> > > Most electronics are designed for an ambient (to them, not the
>
Andraz Sraka wrote:
re
is there a way to see what is status of HW raid (Compaq Smart Array 64xx
- cciss kernel module). How can you see if any disk in raid array is
marked as faulty? I only found this debian package called 'cpqarrayd'.
regards,
Andraz
http://debian.catsanddogs.com/componen
;t_ have a 'Reply to List' button. There are
a lot more of them than 'nix systems. If you'd like to see that change,
as I would, perhaps we could be a little more accommodating and take the
operation of their MUA's into account when deciding how this list
operates. We are j
On Thursday, June 22, 2006 5:53 PM -0500, Steve Lamb wrote:
> Seth Goodman wrote:
> > I'd say it's quite a stretch to say that Elm is at the forefront
> > of MUA technology.
>
> But who was talking elm? Last I checked we had references to
> mutt and Thunder
or
not to use a given piece of software because of how much it improves
their productivity and how much trouble it is. After using it for a
while, _some_ of them will figure out that the reason it works as well
as it does is because of the open-source development model, and will
decide that&#x
t; It does.
Great news. Thank you.
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des have not downloaded it or indicated
> that is is available.
>
> Is it coming?
See http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2006/06/msg02743.html
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are ever to break out of the expert
niche, will run X and use GUI's for everything, being limited to low-end
2D performance will be an ongoing problem.
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On Tuesday, August 08, 2006 6:43 PM -0500, Paul Johnson wrote:
> On Tuesday 08 August 2006 10:38, Seth Goodman wrote:
> > Since the end-users we need to interest, if we are ever to break
> > out of the expert niche, will run X and use GUI's for everything,
> > b
On Friday, August 11, 2006 6:23 PM -0500, Paul Johnson wrote:
> On Friday 11 August 2006 14:41, Seth Goodman wrote:
> > On Tuesday, August 08, 2006 6:43 PM -0500, Paul Johnson wrote:
> > > On Tuesday 08 August 2006 10:38, Seth Goodman wrote:
> > > > Since the end-us
omputers accessible to people who are
not technically inclined. More than accessible, people (sometimes)
enjoy using them. Building in that degree of user accommodation does
not make something a Windows clone. It just makes it a better product.
Especially if you can still drive it from a terminal to do things no one
ever thought of.
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On Monday, August 14, 2006 11:52 AM -0500, Albert Dengg wrote:
> On Sat, Aug 12, 2006 at 02:07:43AM -0500, Seth Goodman wrote:
> > On Friday, August 11, 2006 10:39 PM -0500, Anthony M Simonelli
> > wrote:
> >
<...>
> > > You can get books that help
ore profitable.
Where does that leave open-source software? Well, I guess that will
stay limited to the 10% market share reserved for any product designed
for the cognoscenti. We can keep our install CD's right next to our
Sony Beta-Max tapes.
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On Monday, August 14, 2006 5:48 PM -0500, Katipo wrote:
> Seth Goodman wrote:
>
> If that were true, the vast majority of us, who used to be Windows
> users, wouldn't be here.
Right. I use Windows for most of my work projects, and before that, I
used Unix for many years.
On Monday, August 14, 2006 6:23 PM -0500, Katipo wrote:
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> > You are the sysadmin for these two Windows-type users, which is
> > the only environment in which they can realistically use Debian.
> > Take away the sysadmin or Linux mentor and the c
ire product line. There was no option of
speaking to anyone in the U.S. concerning these products, and calls made
to U.S. offices were quickly referred back to Bangalore.
HP apparently doesn't want to know.
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ase. I'm sure there are heavy-duty
> > cases with stronger locks.
>
> ...with activated detection of case manipulation and
> automatic self-destruction using a half pound C4?
This might make service calls more stressful.
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nnounced political affiliation pretty much is
> all that is need to be known about you.
I don't think that turning a political affiliation into a dirty word
benefits anyone. It certainly prevents rational discourse.
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On Friday, September 15, 2006 3:58 PM -0500, Curt Howland wrote:
> On Friday 15 September 2006 16:46, "Seth Goodman"
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> > I don't think that turning a political affiliation into a dirty
> > word benefits anyone. I
7;t turn out right, their first
call is to the people who sold them the hardware, even though that's
the least likely place to have a problem. Technically sophisticated
users do not tend to do this, but that's a pretty small market.
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Paul Walsh wrote on Friday, March 30, 2007 2:23 AM -0600:
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> > Most people could not complete a Linux install without a phone call
> > to tech support. I suspect that's one part of the reason there are
> > so few no-OS boxes. When the install
iling lists and a small number of
others. It's not important to the majority of other mailing lists, and
that's probably why Google and many others don't bother supporting that
function.
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y a generally unsuccessful attempt to convince the
questioner that everyone else does it wrong, is the price of doing
things this way.
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