On Thu, Oct 24, 2013 at 4:02 AM, Mark Phillips
wrote:
> On Wed, Oct 23, 2013 at 6:10 AM, Tom H wrote:
>> On Wed, Oct 23, 2013 at 3:54 AM, Mark Phillips
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> I ran apt-get update and apt-get upgrade this morning on an old server
>>> (Debian
On Thu, Oct 24, 2013 at 9:04 AM, Chris Davies wrote:
> Andrew M.A. Cater wrote:
>>
>> Debian 7.2 runs fine on UEFI, GPT partitioning works fine. You might
>> want to try auto partitioning - there needs to be a 1M space at
>> beginning and end of he disk and a 510M partition marked for EFIboot.
>
On Thu, Oct 24, 2013 at 12:04 PM, Scott Ferguson
wrote:
>
> I don't do default[*1] installs. Certainly "expert" install mode gives a
> choice (choices are good) - regardless of whether people use sudo or not
> root *should* have a different password to any other user.
>
> But of course it's the sy
On Thu, Oct 24, 2013 at 1:13 PM, Gregory Nowak wrote:
> On Thu, Oct 24, 2013 at 03:42:30PM +0530, J. Bakshi (জ. বকসী ) wrote:
>>
>> I have the grub2 (1.99-27+deb7u2 ) working with luks+lvm but /boot not
>> included in lvm...
>> Can grub2 call /boot from luks+lvm ? If yes, can anyone please share
On Thu, Oct 24, 2013 at 2:09 PM, Chris Davies wrote:
> Tom H wrote:
>> On Thu, Oct 24, 2013 at 9:04 AM, Chris Davies wrote:
>>> I assume the 1MB space at the beginning is for grub_boot? I found I
>>> needed that for my big (3TB) GPT disks. What's the space req
On Thu, Oct 24, 2013 at 4:33 PM, Sven Hartge wrote:
> Chris Davies wrote:
>> Tom H wrote:
>>> On Thu, Oct 24, 2013 at 9:04 AM, Chris Davies wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I assume the 1MB space at the beginning is for grub_boot? I found I
>>>> ne
On Thu, Oct 24, 2013 at 7:09 PM, Gregory Nowak wrote:
> On Thu, Oct 24, 2013 at 01:35:42PM +0000, Tom H wrote:
>>
>> I've booted up from "/boot" on lvm via grub2.
>>
>> I haven't done so with luks of luks+lvm.
>>
>> There are grub2 modu
On Thu, Oct 24, 2013 at 9:18 PM, John Hasler wrote:
> Richard Owlett writes:
>>
>> Is there any reason that a Ubuntu version Mint would be any more
>> suitable than a custom install of Debian
>
> No.
Yes, ease of installation.
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On Thu, Oct 24, 2013 at 9:46 PM, Chris Davies wrote:
>
> Thank you, Tom and Sven.
You're welcome.
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On Fri, Oct 25, 2013 at 12:43 AM, Mark Phillips
wrote:
>
> Everything is back up and running.
>
> Gremlins..
>
> Thanks for your help!
I'm glad that it's working.
You're welcome.
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On Fri, Oct 25, 2013 at 9:12 AM, Ralf Mardorf
wrote:
> On Fri, 2013-10-25 at 08:15 +0000, Tom H wrote:
>> On Thu, Oct 24, 2013 at 9:18 PM, John Hasler wrote:
>> > Richard Owlett writes:
>> >>
>> >> Is there any reason that a Ubuntu version Mint woul
On Fri, Oct 25, 2013 at 7:41 PM, wrote:
> On Fri, 25 Oct 2013 12:31:55 -0600
> Bob Proulx wrote:
>> Sudo has been on
>> HP-UX, SunOS, Solaris, IBM AIX and others for many years. It isn't
>> anything new. It is a good worthy tool.
>
> This is not entirely correct. Sudo is considered third-par
On Sat, Oct 26, 2013 at 7:37 PM, Roland RoLaNd wrote:
>
> I'm reading up on how to harden debian.
> i just checked /etc/sysctl.conf and noticed that everything is commented
> out.
> do that mean they're running as defaults or none of what exists in this file
> is implemented?
The commented-out s
On Sat, Oct 26, 2013 at 7:58 PM, Ralf Mardorf
wrote:
> On Sat, 2013-10-26 at 21:37 +0200, Roland RoLaNd wrote:
>>
>> I'm reading up on how to harden debian.
>> i just checked /etc/sysctl.conf and noticed that everything is
>> commented out.
>> do that mean they're running as defaults or none of w
On Fri, Oct 25, 2013 at 9:16 PM, Reco wrote:
> On Fri, 25 Oct 2013 20:28:57 +
> Tom H wrote:
>> On Fri, Oct 25, 2013 at 7:41 PM, wrote:
>>> On Fri, 25 Oct 2013 12:31:55 -0600
>>> Bob Proulx wrote:
>>>> Sudo has been on
>>>> HP-UX,
On Sun, Oct 27, 2013 at 3:31 AM, Reco wrote:
> On Sat, 26 Oct 2013 21:50:23 +
> Tom H wrote:
>> On Fri, Oct 25, 2013 at 9:16 PM, Reco wrote:
>>>
>>> Yes, but pfexec is not sudo. And privilege-aware Solaris shells are
>>> definitely not sudo too.
>&
On Mon, Oct 28, 2013 at 1:51 PM, Reco wrote:
> On Mon, Oct 28, 2013 at 09:37:02AM -0400, Tom H wrote:
>> On Sun, Oct 27, 2013 at 3:31 AM, Reco wrote:
>>> On Sat, 26 Oct 2013 21:50:23 +
>>> Tom H wrote:
>>>> On Fri, Oct 25, 2013 at 9:16 PM, Reco wr
On Mon, Oct 28, 2013 at 7:14 PM, Bob Proulx wrote:
> Reco wrote:
>> Bob Proulx wrote:
>>>
>>> Is 'rpcbind' installed by default? I will need to look. I wonder why
>>> it would be there?
>>
>> Part of a NFS client, I guess. Package is not marked as an essential one,
>> though. Running a diskless
On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 1:17 AM, Bob Proulx wrote:
> Tom H wrote:
>>
>> The "standard" task installs both nfs-common and rpcbind.
>
> Aha! Apparently the ability to nfs mount in /etc/fstab is the root
> cause of the dependency chain that requires nfs-common
On Mon, Oct 28, 2013 at 10:58 PM, wrote:
>
> I'm getting
>
> "W: GPG error: http://security.debian.org wheezy/updates Release: The
> following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not
> available: NO_PUBKEY 8B48AD6246925553"
>
> doing apt-get/aptitude update for wheezy.
>
> H
On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 8:55 PM, John wrote:
>
> Could someone who has been following the giant fuss on -devel over
> init systems explain why there's such a sense of dire urgency?
>
> Is it provoked by systemd's effort to be adopted having at least found
> a home with gnome, made urgent by gnome'
On Thu, Oct 31, 2013 at 10:44 AM, wrote:
>
> It seems that even suggested packages are not automatically removed (at
> least with aptitude), which I think was not the same as when I started using
> Debian.
>
> I just discovered this because I marked mpd as automatically installed, and
> it was ke
On Thu, Oct 31, 2013 at 11:16 AM, wrote:
> Le 31.10.2013 12:12, Tom H a écrit :
>> On Thu, Oct 31, 2013 at 10:44 AM, wrote:
>>>
>>> It seems that even suggested packages are not automatically removed (at
>>> least with aptitude), which I think was not
On Thu, Oct 31, 2013 at 12:42 PM, wrote:
> Le 31.10.2013 13:12, Tom H a écrit :
>> On Thu, Oct 31, 2013 at 11:16 AM, wrote:
>>> Le 31.10.2013 12:12, Tom H a écrit :
>>>> On Thu, Oct 31, 2013 at 10:44 AM,
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>
On Thu, Oct 31, 2013 at 4:38 PM, Sven Joachim wrote:
> On 2013-10-31 13:42 +0100, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote:
>
>> Le 31.10.2013 13:12, Tom H a écrit :
>>
>>> Set 'Aptitude::Keep-Suggests "false";' in "/etc/apt/apt.conf.d/" and
&
On Fri, Nov 1, 2013 at 5:57 PM, Miles Fidelman
wrote:
>
> For what it's worth, I'm still running Lenny on a couple of servers -
> chugging away hosting some email accounts, some email lists, some web sites.
Lenny was EOLd in Feb 2012!
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On Thu, Oct 31, 2013 at 8:06 PM, André Nunes Batista
wrote:
> On Wed, 2013-10-30 at 14:22 +0000, Tom H wrote:
>> On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 8:55 PM, John wrote:
>>>
>>> Could someone who has been following the giant fuss on -devel over
>>> init systems expl
On Thu, Oct 31, 2013 at 8:58 PM, wrote:
> Le 31.10.2013 21:06, André Nunes Batista a écrit :
>> On Wed, 2013-10-30 at 14:22 +0000, Tom H wrote:
>>> On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 8:55 PM, John wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Could someone who has been following the giant fus
On Fri, Nov 1, 2013 at 7:07 PM, Sven Joachim wrote:
> On 2013-11-01 19:39 +0100, Tom H wrote:
>
>> So the "bad" variables are still documented in the aptitude docs and
>> the "good" variables are undocumented except in the changelog. :(
>
> There
On Sat, Nov 2, 2013 at 1:42 AM, wrote:
> Le 01.11.2013 20:01, Tom H a écrit :
>> On Thu, Oct 31, 2013 at 8:58 PM, wrote:
>>> Le 31.10.2013 21:06, André Nunes Batista a écrit :
>>>> On Wed, 2013-10-30 at 14:22 +, Tom H wrote:
>>>>>
On Sat, Nov 2, 2013 at 12:23 PM, Joel Rees wrote:
> I'm a former Fedora user. Got my start on MkLinux and openBSD, but the
> companies I worked for seemed to think the commercial support approach
> from Red Hat was more in line with what they needed, so I shifted to
> Red Hat and followed that l
On Sat, Nov 2, 2013 at 2:16 PM, Reco wrote:
> On Sat, 2 Nov 2013 12:09:51 +
> Tom H wrote:
>>
>> As I said up-thread, it's a question of decoupling logind from systemd.
>>
>> The Gentoo GNOME developers decided that it was simpler for them not to do
&
On Sat, Nov 2, 2013 at 2:30 PM, wrote:
>
> Now, I wonder. Gnome was said portable, am I wrong? If they now have a hard
> dependency on systemd, they can no longer be considered portable, since
> systemd is itself only targeting linux kernels (and this is fine, since they
> do not claim to be port
On Sat, Nov 2, 2013 at 6:53 PM, Ken Heard wrote:
>
> In May 2008 I purchased new and started using a Lenovo R61 Think Pad.
> Originally I installed Lenny on it and subsequently upgraded it to
> Squeeze.
>
> Starting from 2013-01-01 various things started going wrong. For
> example I began to get
On Sat, Nov 2, 2013 at 9:45 PM, Reco wrote:
> On Sat, 2 Nov 2013 21:23:01 +
> Tom H wrote:
>> On Sat, Nov 2, 2013 at 2:16 PM, Reco wrote:
>> I don't trust this guy. He's generally very abrasive and very
>> aggressive. He joined or started a debian-devel t
On Sat, Nov 2, 2013 at 10:06 PM, Reco wrote:
> On Sat, 2 Nov 2013 21:08:29 +
> Tom H wrote:
>
>> Misrepresenting what systemd is and the reasons for its existence
>> doesn't make sense:
>>
>> http://0pointer.de/blog/projects/systemd.html
>>
>
On Sun, Nov 3, 2013 at 9:23 AM, Marko Randjelovic wrote:
> On Sat, 02 Nov 2013 15:58:45 +0100
> berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote:
>>
>> _ sysvinit scripts are scripts. Scripts needs programming skills, and
>> the sh language does not have an easy to read syntax. I would in fact
>> call it rathe
On Sun, Nov 3, 2013 at 9:33 AM, Marko Randjelovic wrote:
> On Tue, 29 Oct 2013 16:55:44 -0400
> John wrote:
>> Could someone who has been following the giant fuss on -devel over
>> init systems explain why there's such a sense of dire urgency?
>
> Decisions like changing such an essential part
On Sun, Nov 3, 2013 at 9:47 AM, Marko Randjelovic wrote:
>
> Did you change UEFI mode from "Secure" to "Legacy"?
Why not disable Secure Boot and keep UEFI?
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On Sun, Nov 3, 2013 at 2:33 PM, Jonathan Dowland wrote:
> On Sun, Nov 03, 2013 at 10:23:02AM +0100, Marko Randjelovic wrote:
>>
>> I find shell scripts the most efficient way to automate system adin
>> tasks. It could be because I am a programmer, but at least init
>> scripts are already provided,
On Sun, Nov 3, 2013 at 4:41 PM, Reco wrote:
> On Sun, 3 Nov 2013 14:21:40 +
> Jonathan Dowland wrote:
>> On Sun, Nov 03, 2013 at 02:06:06AM +0400, Reco wrote:
> I don't know why people adopting it. I only have an option about why
> distributions adapting systemd. IMO:
>
> Fedora - because R
On Mon, Nov 4, 2013 at 2:31 PM, Richard Owlett wrote:
>
> I'm having problems with two specific man pages at the moment - gunzip and
> dpkg-scanpackages.
>
> When using gunzip I got an unexpected result. The result of "gunzip
> myfile.gz" was a single file named "myfile". What I expected/desired w
On Mon, Nov 4, 2013 at 4:35 PM, Catherine Gramze wrote:
> On Mon, Nov 4, 2013 at 10:18 AM, Tom H wrote:
>> On Sun, Nov 3, 2013 at 9:47 AM, Marko Randjelovic
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Did you change UEFI mode from "Secure" to "Legacy"?
>>
>
On Mon, Nov 4, 2013 at 10:57 AM, François Patte
wrote:
> Le 04/11/2013 11:28, Holger Stein a écrit :
>> Am 04.11.2013 09:28, schrieb François Patte:
>>>
>>> I have these messages from mdadm:
>>>
>>> mdadm: cannot open /dev/md/4: No such file or directory
>>> /dev/md/4 :
>>> mdadm: cannot open /d
On Mon, Nov 4, 2013 at 4:37 PM, Conrad Nelson wrote:
> On 11/03/2013 10:41 AM, Reco wrote:
>> On Sun, 3 Nov 2013 14:21:40 +
>> Jonathan Dowland wrote:
>>> On Sun, Nov 03, 2013 at 02:06:06AM +0400, Reco wrote:
> Well, there are some nice features in systemd. It's easier to work with unit
> f
On Mon, Nov 4, 2013 at 4:50 PM, Conrad Nelson wrote:
> On 11/04/2013 10:22 AM, Tom H wrote:
>> On Sun, Nov 3, 2013 at 2:33 PM, Jonathan Dowland wrote:
>>> On Sun, Nov 03, 2013 at 10:23:02AM +0100, Marko Randjelovic wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I find shell scripts
On Mon, Nov 4, 2013 at 6:50 PM, Paul E Condon wrote:
> On 20131102_142017, Ken Heard wrote:
>>
>> You can make a local copy of the package and debconf selection states
>> by the following.
>>
>> # dpkg --get-selections '*' > selection.dpkg
>> # debconf-get-selections> selection.debconf
>
> I d
On Mon, Nov 4, 2013 at 10:08 PM, François Patte
wrote:
> Le 04/11/2013 19:01, Tom H a écrit :
>> On Mon, Nov 4, 2013 at 10:57 AM, François Patte
>> wrote:
>>> Le 04/11/2013 11:28, Holger Stein a écrit :
>>>> Am 04.11.2013 09:28, schrieb François Patte:
&g
On Tue, Nov 5, 2013 at 11:41 AM, Richard Owlett wrote:
> Tom H wrote:
>> On Mon, Nov 4, 2013 at 2:31 PM, Richard Owlett
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> When using gunzip I got an unexpected result. The result of "gunzip
>>> myfile.gz" was a single file nam
On Wed, Nov 6, 2013 at 4:36 PM, François Patte
wrote:
> Le 06/11/2013 15:29, Tom H a écrit :
>> lsinitramfs /boot/initrd... | grep ...
>
> sbin/mdadm
> conf/mdadm
> etc/mdadm
> etc/mdadm/mdadm.conf
> scripts/local-top/mdadm
I would've grepped for "rules&quo
On Wed, Nov 6, 2013 at 9:25 PM, Bob Proulx wrote:
> Ken Heard wrote:
>>
>> In a new box where the Wheezy OS will be freshly installed I want to
>> install all the packages which I presently have in a box with Squeeze.
>
> This is a question that appears on the list every so often. People
> want to
On Wed, Nov 6, 2013 at 4:43 PM, Neal Murphy wrote:
> On Wednesday, November 06, 2013 07:44:18 AM Wawrzek Niewodniczanski wrote:
>>
>> This is a bit off main topic, but definitely 'on' for this list. Lets
>> imagine a scenario there is nothing to delete on the troublesome
>> partition, but there is
On Wed, Nov 6, 2013 at 10:00 PM, François Patte
wrote:
> Le 06/11/2013 21:27, Tom H a écrit :
>> On Wed, Nov 6, 2013 at 4:36 PM, François Patte
>> wrote:
>>> Le 06/11/2013 15:29, Tom H a écrit :
>>>>
>>>> lsinitramfs /boot/initrd... | grep ...
On Sat, Nov 9, 2013 at 9:05 PM, PaulNM wrote:
>
> I've been dealing with a frustratingly vexing issue for a while, and
> am
> at a loss on where to go next.
>
> Basically, We have a 8x 3TB drive system that I'm trying to install
> Wheezy on. During the install each drive is parti
> On 11/09/2013 04:48 PM, Gary Dale wrote:
>> On 09/11/13 04:05 PM, PaulNM wrote:
>>
>> The lack of grub md names suggests that it doesn't know about your RAID
>> setup. update-initramfs -u && update-grub may fix that. Also, make sure
>> that grub is actually installed on the RAID array.
>
> Hmm, m
On Thu, Nov 14, 2013 at 5:10 PM, Steffen Dettmer
wrote:
>
> NB: interestingly, according to the documentation [1], "%r"
> should be the same as "$kernel", but here "%r" does not work.
> When using NAME="prefix%r" the interface is renamed
> accordingly. Seems to be a bug?
>
> [1] http://www.freedes
On Thu, Nov 14, 2013 at 7:46 PM, Linux-Fan wrote:
> On 11/14/2013 08:35 PM, Charlie wrote:
>>
>> Had to get a new laptop, my 7 year old Acer needs replacing bought a
>> Toshiba C50D Satellite.
>>
>> But can't get into the BIOS by the way that is posted on the net. Press
>> F2 before powering up.
>
On Thu, Nov 14, 2013 at 8:01 PM, Charlie wrote:
>
> Tried that also and that definitely doesn't work. Worked my way through
> the "F" keys - no joy.
>
> Boots straight into windows 8 or 8.1.
>
> Have pulled the battery to make certain that everything is really dead
> when I shut down.
>
> No joy.
On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 3:06 PM, Lisi Reisz wrote:
>
> I have just upgraded a client's computer to Wheezy. It appeared to go
> well and there was certainly an internet connection: it would not
> have been able to upgrade otherwise!
>
> Now there is none. I have checked /etc/network/interfaces a
On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 3:55 PM, Lisi Reisz wrote:
> On Friday 15 November 2013 15:29:00 Tom H wrote:
>> On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 3:06 PM, Lisi Reisz
> wrote:
>>> I have just upgraded a client's computer to Wheezy. It appeared
>>> to go well and there was c
On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 4:13 PM, Lisi Reisz wrote:
> On Friday 15 November 2013 15:55:59 Lisi Reisz wrote:
>> On Friday 15 November 2013 15:29:00 Tom H wrote:
>>> On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 3:06 PM, Lisi Reisz
>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I have just upgra
On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 4:22 PM, Ralf Mardorf
wrote:
> On Fri, 2013-11-15 at 15:29 +0000, Tom H wrote:
>>
>> Has eth0 been renamed?
>
> IIRC Lisi killfiled me. I'm aware that Debian still does use init and
> not systemd, but since udev is part of systemd (merged by up
On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 4:59 PM, Andrei POPESCU
wrote:
> On Vi, 15 nov 13, 16:38:16, Lisi Reisz wrote:
>>>
>>> How is the network configuration handled? Network Manager,
>>> ifupdown, etc.?
>>
>> /etc/network/interfaces file and ifupdown, etc.. (Network Manager and
>> I are not on speaking terms.)
On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 5:25 PM, Richard Owlett wrote:
>
> Synaptic and dselect provide this information for *ONE* level down from a
> particular package *IF* an actual installation and repository exist.
apt-cache depends --recurse
apt-cache rdepends --recurse
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On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 5:38 PM, Lisi Reisz wrote:
> On Friday 15 November 2013 17:05:04 Tom H wrote:
>> On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 3:55 PM, Lisi Reisz
> wrote:
>>> On Friday 15 November 2013 15:29:00 Tom H wrote:
>>>> On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 3:06 PM, Lisi Reisz
>
On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 5:53 PM, Lisi Reisz wrote:
> On Friday 15 November 2013 17:06:55 Tom H wrote:
>> On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 4:13 PM, Lisi Reisz
> wrote:
>>> On Friday 15 November 2013 15:55:59 Lisi Reisz wrote:
>>>> On Friday 15 November 2013 15:29:00 Tom H
On Tue, Nov 19, 2013 at 2:20 PM, Richard Owlett wrote:
>
> If needing to read a "man page", http://manpages.debian.org/cgi-bin/man.cgi
> exists.
> Is there an equivalent site to retrieve what would be displayed by the info
> command.
You shouldn't need the info pages because it's a bug for a Debi
On Tue, Nov 19, 2013 at 5:38 PM, Andrei POPESCU
wrote:
> On Ma, 19 nov 13, 17:17:45, Tom H wrote:
>> On Tue, Nov 19, 2013 at 2:20 PM, Richard Owlett wrote:
>>>
>>> If needing to read a "man page", http://manpages.debian.org/cgi-bin/man.cgi
>>> exist
On Tue, Nov 19, 2013 at 1:40 PM, wrote:
> Le 19.11.2013 03:04, Tamer Higazi a écrit :
>>
>> 2. As well, specially the Gnome3 system ubuntu delivers by default makes
>> me puke!
>
> This one is not. Ubuntu uses Unity as default DE, not gnome3. There was a
> lot of noise about that new DE when the
On Tue, Nov 19, 2013 at 8:54 PM, Alex Naysmith wrote:
> On 19 November 2013 20:13, Alois Mahdal
> wrote:
>> On Tue, 19 Nov 2013 14:40:57 +0100
>> berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote:
>>>
>>> So, I think that the problems you had with untrusted packages
>>> can be:
>>> 1) your fault: did you insta
On Tue, Nov 19, 2013 at 10:46 PM, Ralf Mardorf
wrote:
> On Tue, 2013-11-19 at 21:55 +0000, Tom H wrote:
>> On Tue, Nov 19, 2013 at 8:54 PM, Alex Naysmith
>> wrote:
>>> I'm pleasantly surprised with just how similar Debian XFCE and Xubuntu are,
>>> which
On Tue, Nov 19, 2013 at 10:46 PM, Slavko wrote:
> Dňa Tue, 19 Nov 2013 21:55:41 +0000 Tom H napísal:
>>>
>>> I'm pleasantly surprised with just how similar Debian XFCE and
>>> Xubuntu are, which makes me wonder if there are any major
>>>
On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 12:19 AM, Rob Owens wrote:
> I run a testing system that I depend on to get work done on a daily
> basis. I noticed today that a dist-upgrade wanted to install systemd.
> I've never used systemd -- is there anything to fear? For those who
> have installed it, does the sys
On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 1:21 AM, Ralf Mardorf
wrote:
>
> However, http://packages.debian.org/jessie/systemd , systemd by the
> Debian package depends on udev, so they aren't merged and it also
> depends on initscripts, IOW systemd isn't systemd. Why does systemd need
> initscripts? Must be regardi
On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 1:48 AM, Brad Alexander wrote:
> On Tue, Nov 19, 2013 at 7:19 PM, Rob Owens wrote:
>>
>> I run a testing system that I depend on to get work done on a daily
>> basis. I noticed today that a dist-upgrade wanted to install systemd.
>> I've never used systemd -- is there anyt
On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 12:19 AM, Rob Owens wrote:
>
> I run a testing system that I depend on to get work done on a daily
> basis. I noticed today that a dist-upgrade wanted to install systemd.
> I've never used systemd -- is there anything to fear? For those who
> have installed it, does the sys
On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 9:47 AM, Jonathan Dowland wrote:
>
> Installing systemd will not change your init system (unless you
> actively choose to do so). GNOME now depends on some of the
> systemd components but does not require you to have systemd as
> your init system.
Is there feature parity b
On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 10:42 AM, James Allsopp
wrote:
> On 20 November 2013 10:00, Zenaan Harkness wrote:
>> On 11/20/13, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
>>>
>>> My apologies Slavko, I'll rephrase it, the state of Debian's testing
>>> initscripts/systemd seems to be neither fish nor fowl. When I
>>> experi
On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 10:56 AM, Ralf Mardorf
wrote:
>
> Words from the man who shoots photos from himself in front of a mirror
> to post them in the internet
I don't see how the fact the Lennart posted such a picture of himself
is in any way an issue for systemd.
Taking a selfie, whether in a
On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 11:34 AM, Joel Rees wrote:
> On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 7:37 PM, Tom H wrote:
>> On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 12:19 AM, Rob Owens wrote:
>>>
>>> I run a testing system that I depend on to get work done on a daily
>>> basis. I noticed today t
On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 12:12 PM, Ralf Mardorf
wrote:
>
> Once you should use it again, please let me know how comfortable you're
> with journalctl.
This is the second time in this thread that you criticize journald and
I don't understand why.
1) If you're using systemd as pid 1, you can configu
On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 12:44 PM, wrote:
> Le 19.11.2013 21:26, Nemeth Gyorgy a écrit :
>>
>> Actually it is not a distro fork. The pool of Ubuntu, Kubuntu, Xubuntu,
>> ubuntu is the same (the sources.list is the same for all). You
>> can consider the different 'distributions' as different instal
On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 1:37 PM, wrote:
> Le 20.11.2013 12:48, Tom H a écrit :
>> On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 1:48 AM, Brad Alexander wrote:
>>> On Tue, Nov 19, 2013 at 7:19 PM, Rob Owens wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I run a testing system that I depend on to get
On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 2:04 PM, Lisi Reisz wrote:
> On Wednesday 20 November 2013 13:52:02 Tom H wrote:
>>
>> it's not the most straightforward move from a user's perspective.
>
> From this user's perspective, it's a very good idea.
I wasn't comment
On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 1:43 PM, Joel Rees wrote:
> On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 10:11 PM, Tom H wrote:
>>
>> If you want to check whether your your system shut down because it was
>> overheating (as someone needed to on fedora-users recently), you can
>> run "jour
On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 4:31 PM, Slavko wrote:
> Dňa Wed, 20 Nov 2013 10:47:53 +0000 Tom H napísal:
>>
>> AFAIK, if a package has "ubuntu" in its version name, it's been
>> changed by the Ubuntu developers.
>
> Are you sure, that this is mark of chang
On Mon, Nov 25, 2013 at 8:48 AM, Reco wrote:
> On Mon, Nov 25, 2013 at 12:13:41AM -0700, Bob Proulx wrote:
>>
>> I just looked at that script. I agree that as written now that it is
>> expected behavior by that script. But I think the script is not
>> written well. It should create the user fir
On Mon, Nov 25, 2013 at 10:15 AM, Reco wrote:
> On Mon, Nov 25, 2013 at 09:05:12AM +0000, Tom H wrote:
>>
>> What does "-d" mean?
>
> Compatibility with useradd, which has '-d'. To my surprise manpage
> doesn't mention it.
I'm not an adduser
On Tue, Nov 26, 2013 at 3:55 PM, Reco wrote:
> On Tue, Nov 26, 2013 at 12:00:32PM +0000, Tom H wrote:
>>
>> I'm not an adduser user so that's why I checked the manpage for "-d".
>>
>> If your assumption that useradd short options should be understood
On Tue, Nov 26, 2013 at 7:44 PM, Bob Proulx wrote:
>
> AFAIK adduser is Debian specific and useradd came from other distros.
> AFAIK Debian supports useradd as a nod to those other distros. And
> because IIRC the LSB requires it.
Debian is the upstream of both useradd and adduser.
adduser is a
On Wed, Nov 27, 2013 at 10:51 PM, Lisi Reisz wrote:
> On Wednesday 27 November 2013 18:52:43 AP wrote:
>> On Wed, Nov 27, 2013 at 11:06 PM, Lisi Reisz
> wrote:
>>>
>>> Quite.
>>
>> I also really don't know about why this is happening. A mozilla
>> firfox is doing all that...without any reason..!
On Thu, Nov 28, 2013 at 11:08 AM, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
>
> I'm just the opposite. I need stable servers, which is why I use Debian.
> If I wanted the "latest and greatest", I would go to Ubuntu or some other
> distro.
RHEL and its clones, SUSE, and Ubuntu LTS are just as stable as Debian
so you m
On Fri, Nov 29, 2013 at 3:51 AM, Scott Ferguson
wrote:
>
> Please note - this has *nothing* to do with Debian, I've marked it OT
> accordingly.
>
> Unless you are asking about Debian peculiarities or whether to raise bug
> report please consider posting these sorts of queries to somewhere
> approp
On Sat, Nov 30, 2013 at 7:40 PM, Regid Ichira wrote:
>
> Sent this message to ifupdown@packages.d.o a few days ago. So far,
> I didn't get a reply. Perhaps I should have asked the list prior to
> asking the maintainer.
>
> Package: ifupdown
> Version: 0.7.46.1
>
> $ zgrep -B3 netdev /usr/sha
On Mon, Dec 2, 2013 at 11:21 PM, Richard Hector wrote:
>
> If I use:
>
> # aptitude search ~ainstall
>
> I get a list of packages that are marked for installation, but are
> currently not installed.
>
> If I pick one of those, and use:
>
> # aptitude remove
>
> then the above search, that package
On 28 Sep 2014 04:35:03 +0200, lee wrote:
>
> Anyway, it gives me to think that such a misunderstanding has come
> up to begin with and that it hasn't been fixed long ago. Someone who
> doesn't understand what "disabled" means is programming an init
> system: What other misunderstandings might hav
On Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 7:51 AM, wrote:
>
> I am trying to implement the preseed information contained on:
> http://users.telenet.be/mydotcom/howto/linux/autoinventory.htm
>
> In the section "debian installer preseed file' there is a command
> sequence:
> TARGET="/root/inventory"
> debconf-get-sel
On Tue, Aug 28, 2012 at 5:16 PM, James Allsopp
wrote:
> On 28/08/2012, Bob Proulx wrote:
>> James Allsopp wrote:
>>>
>>> I'm trying to learn more about networking and set up BIND, LDAP and
>>> Nagios on a KVM virtual machine. The VM works great and I can ssh into
>>> it from the host, and view th
On Wed, Aug 29, 2012 at 3:22 AM, Ralf Mardorf
wrote:
> On Wed, 2012-08-29 at 12:27 +0530, baksh...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>> I have gone through some online docs on ubuntu derived upstar-job mechanism
>> and
>> its simplicity has drawn my attention. Same time the apparent
>> incompatibility with
>>
On Fri, Aug 31, 2012 at 9:44 AM, Wolf Halton wrote:
>
> I get a couple of hundred messages per month to my local root user on each
> debian server VM I run that mention that "mpt raid status change."
>
> This comes from systems that have one virtual drive or two, and I do not
> have raid set up on
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