RPM bashing (was Re: Woody vs. Sarge vs. You've heard this before;-))

2003-08-14 Thread Ron Johnson
On Thu, 2003-08-14 at 00:01, Aaron wrote: > On -2471-Wed, Aug 13, 2003 at 06:28:50PM -0500, Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > spake thus, > > My mixed sarge/sid system has worked very well for me, with minimal, > > surmountable issues. Certainly less than I had when t

SA Proxy

2003-08-14 Thread Ron Williams
Help   When it call a good mail SPAM how do you white list it ???   Ditto for Bad mail and black list [EMAIL PROTECTED]  

Re: GCC for kernel compilation

2003-08-14 Thread Ron Johnson
#x27;s the issue with gcc 3.3 and kernel building? Well, you shouldn't need to edit those source files. gcc 3.2.3 worked fine for me on 2.4.20. -- +---+ | Ron Johnson, Jr.Home: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | Jefferson, LA U

Re: [O.T.] RE: retrieving emails to an exchange via linux?

2003-08-14 Thread Ron Johnson
nstall Mozilla Mail, and it can convert to mbox (since it's able to make the appropriate MAPI calls). -- +---+ | Ron Johnson, Jr.Home: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | |

Re: linux cluster

2003-08-14 Thread Ron Johnson
and OpenGFS. [1] Yes, I use VMSclusters on a daily basis. Very useful, totally transparent, extremely expensive... -- +---+ | Ron Johnson, Jr.Home: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | Jefferson, LA USA| |

Re: Hard Drive Mirroring

2003-08-14 Thread Ron Johnson
PROTECTED] Do you mean "static" mirroring, where, once a day, you move all the files from disk A to disk B, or... active continuous mirroring by RAID 1? -- +-------+ | Ron Johnson, Jr.Home: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Woody vs. Sarge vs. You've heard this before ;-)

2003-08-14 Thread Ron Johnson
a risk getting into your car, or walking to the subway... My mixed sarge/sid system has worked very well for me, with minimal, surmountable issues. Certainly less than I had when trying to upgrade RPM-based systems. -- +-

Re: Can I directly modify the contents of a mounted iso image?

2003-08-14 Thread Ron Johnson
On Wed, 2003-08-13 at 22:24, Zhao You Bing wrote: > If yes how to do it? If you mount the ISO using the loopback FS, it is possible. -- +---+ | Ron Johnson, Jr.Home: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | Jefferson, LA

Re: Poor performance with 1GB of RAM

2003-08-14 Thread Ron Johnson
h, across reboots is the important question, though. To do that, edit /etc/fstab and comment out the lines referring to swap. However, what, then, would you do with a 2GB partition? I say that there's no *harm* in leaving your setup just the way it is. -- +---

Re: Poor performance with 1GB of RAM

2003-08-14 Thread Ron Johnson
e a big hack to me. Not a big hack, just The Unix Tradition. I'll be using swap files as soon as I can, though. Much more flexible. -- +---+ | Ron Johnson, Jr.Home: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: how NOT to work with debian

2003-08-14 Thread Ron Johnson
pt Howto doesn't seem to offer me any guidance. I also have limited time > >for this, as I've already wasted a day on it. > > > >Advice anyone? > > > > > > -- +---+ | Ron Johnson, Jr.Home

Re: Good Debian-based distro

2003-08-14 Thread Ron Johnson
ecommendations or should I just have them use redhat or mandrake? Libranet is very user friendly. It has a text-mode installer, but does a good job of h/w detection. It's KDE based, if that's a concern. -- +---+ | Ron Johnson, Jr.

Re: Problem with evolution 1.4.3

2003-08-14 Thread Ron Johnson
always worked before with no configuration > neccessary What version of gtkhtml3.0 do you have? -- +---+ | Ron Johnson, Jr.Home: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Changing window managers The Debian Way (was Re: how NOT to workwith debian)

2003-08-14 Thread Ron Johnson
> > > > what more info can I usefully get? > > > > -- > > richard > > > > > > I don't think the apt HOWTO is relevant, as this is an X problem. > > > > > > You must be aware by now that almost _no_ *nix problem requires a > > > complete reinstall. You're th

Re: Woody vs. Sarge vs. You've heard this before ;-)

2003-08-14 Thread Ron Johnson
On Wed, 2003-08-13 at 18:48, Greg Folkert wrote: > On Wed, 2003-08-13 at 19:28, Ron Johnson wrote: > > On Wed, 2003-08-13 at 15:53, David Fokkema wrote: > > > On Wed, Aug 13, 2003 at 02:30:33PM -0600, John M. Purser wrote: > > My mixed sarge/sid system has worked very w

Re: Poor performance with 1GB of RAM

2003-08-14 Thread Ron Johnson
On Mon, 2003-08-11 at 17:36, Steve Lamb wrote: > On 11 Aug 2003 17:14:14 -0500 > Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > However, what, then, would you do with a 2GB partition? I say that > > there's no *harm* in leaving your setup just the way it is. > >

Re: Woody vs. Sarge vs. You've heard this before ;-)

2003-08-14 Thread Ron Johnson
On Wed, 2003-08-13 at 20:22, Greg Folkert wrote: > On Wed, 2003-08-13 at 20:27, Ron Johnson wrote: > > On Wed, 2003-08-13 at 18:48, Greg Folkert wrote: > > > On Wed, 2003-08-13 at 19:28, Ron Johnson wrote: > > > > On Wed, 2003-08-13 at 15:53, David Fokkema wrote: >

Re: help me

2003-08-14 Thread Ron Johnson
ORTRAN does some things better than C? Could it ever do matrix manipulations faster than Perl? I won't even *touch* COBOL, which is a fine language, in the hands of a competent programmer... -- +-------+ | Ron Johnson, Jr.Home: [EM

Re: weather and boats (even more OT) (was [OT: Elfquest])

2003-08-14 Thread Ron Johnson
you'd need a ham radio and antenna on the boat, but, hey, they don't say this for no reason: A boat is a hole in the water into which one pours money. -- +-------+ | Ron Johnson, Jr.

Re: Woody vs. Sarge vs. You've heard this before ;-)

2003-08-14 Thread Ron Johnson
ncluding a "COLUMNS=120 dpkg -l > package.lis" and scp it to another machine. Alternatively, if the backups are burned to CD, once the minimal Woody is installed, mount the CD and extract the list from the tarball. Since my /etc will have also been backed up, I can also extra

Re: wireless recommendations

2003-08-15 Thread Ron Johnson
t Jesse's 3 points are still valid, especially since you could probably get a LUG member to connect the wires to jacks for a case or 2 of beer... And if you run Cat5e, then you are ready for gigabit ethernet, and wireless will never touch

Re: Turn on the service

2003-08-15 Thread Ron Johnson
d daemon: # cd /etc/init.d # ./ssh stop # ./ssh start # ./ssh restart > I am new to Debian Welcome to text-mode heaven! -- +-------+ | Ron Johnson, Jr.Home: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Turn on the service

2003-08-15 Thread Ron Johnson
don't > want to be run (you have to make inetd reload the configuration after > it has been changed). But isn't that handled by the package pre- and post- scripts? -- +---+ | Ron Johnson, Jr.Home: [EMAIL

Re: Is there ANY .pdf format editor for Linux with a WYSIWYG GUI

2003-08-15 Thread Ron Johnson
.de/pub/ftp.vpn-junkies.de/openoffice/ \ unstable main contrib However, OOo 1.1b only outputs pdf, and thus is unable to edit them. -- +---+ | Ron Johnson, Jr.Home: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | Jefferson, LA USA| |

Cracking 801.11b in 87 minutes

2003-08-15 Thread Ron Johnson
http://www.oreillynet.com/pub/a/wireless/excerpt/wirlsshacks_chap1/index.html Presumably he used 40-bit encryption? -- +---+ | Ron Johnson, Jr.Home: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | Jefferson, LA USA

Re: Is there ANY .pdf format editor for Linux with a WYSIWYG GUI

2003-08-15 Thread Ron Johnson
On Fri, 2003-08-15 at 21:51, John Foster wrote: > Ron Johnson wrote: > > >On Fri, 2003-08-15 at 21:05, Bijan Soleymani wrote: > > > > > >>On Fri, Aug 15, 2003 at 08:43:24PM -0500, John Foster wrote: > >> > >> > >>>I want t

Re: rms on debian

2003-08-17 Thread Ron Johnson
is principles. There are those who criticize "religious fanatics" for sticking to *their* principles, too. It all depends on what "their" principles are, and how they differ from "yours". -- +

Re: Traditional Install or Knoppix?

2003-08-17 Thread Ron Johnson
ordstuch ISO to get a *small* stable system, then immediately jump to sid. -- +---+ | Ron Johnson, Jr.Home: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | Jefferson, LA USA| |

Re: Is there ANY .pdf format editor for Linux with a WYSIWYG GUI

2003-08-17 Thread Ron Johnson
obat for windows (the full app, not just Reader, > but it'd be worth seeing if that works first). Not the most ethical > choice, but in this case, The tool for the job. Does it work under Wine? -- +-------+ | Ron Johnson, Jr.H

Is this what I think it is? (was Re: demande d'emploi / offre deservice( en algérie ))

2003-08-17 Thread Ron Johnson
On Sun, 2003-08-17 at 08:15, ayoun mohammed ali wrote: > Oran algérie le 17/08/2003 > > > > Monsieur le directeur > > > > Objet : demande d'emploi > Did this guy just send us his resume? -- Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]&

Re: Is this what I think it is? (was Re: demande d'emploi / offrede service( en alg?rie ))

2003-08-17 Thread Ron Johnson
On Sun, 2003-08-17 at 09:39, Paul Johnson wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > On Sun, Aug 17, 2003 at 09:37:17AM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: > > Did this guy just send us his resume? > > I think he did. Wow, talk about misguided. I really have to

Re: INVESTMENT

2003-08-17 Thread Ron Johnson
On Sun, 2003-08-17 at 11:16, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Attn: Sir/Madam, > > My name is Mr. Richard Cole chairman of contract award and monitoring [snip] > Presently I am now in Europe to search for a reliable person/company of > high > integrity /dignity and one with conscience who will claim thi

Re: Support for UMC8673

2003-08-17 Thread Ron Johnson
On Sun, 2003-08-17 at 16:02, Chris Owen wrote: > Hi there, wonder if anyone can help me out with this. > > I installed Debian on an old laptop, found that hard disk access is > unusably slow, apparently this is because my disk controller, a UMC8673, > is not supported by the kernel. I have kern

[OT] Is RMS a Star Trek fan??

2003-08-18 Thread Ron Johnson
Quote from Harcourt Fenton Mudd, on the Star Trek:TOS episode "I, Mudd" "Knowledge should be free for all." I couldn't stop laughing... -- ----- Ron Johnson, Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jefferson, LA USA &

Re: Newbie Hardware Question

2003-08-18 Thread Ron Johnson
On Mon, 2003-08-18 at 06:23, Hershel Robinson wrote: > I am about to purchase a new machine on which I hope to install Debian. I > was told by someone that I should insure that the new hardware will be Linux > compatible. I thought that one of Debian's claims to fame is that it runs on > so many di

Re: OT: Re: rms on debian : background noise

2003-08-18 Thread Ron Johnson
gt; > actually, the spelling isn't right, it's correct. http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=right "In accordance with fact, reason, or truth; correct:" So, the spelling is right, and also correct... -- - Ron

Re: serial ATA

2003-08-18 Thread Ron Johnson
ts.debian.org/search.html > > see this thread: > http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2003/debian-user-200308/msg02830.html So is there any hope for SATA in the 2.4 kernels? Maybe in the -ac branch? -- - Ron Johnson, Jr.

Re: FYI: IBM DB2 installation on Woody

2003-08-20 Thread Ron Johnson
;, and post it here? -- --------- Ron Johnson, Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jefferson, LA USA Some former UNSCOM officials are alarmed, however. Terry Taylor, a British senior UNSCOM inspector from 1993 to 1997, says the figure of 95 percent disar

Re: Harassment

2003-08-21 Thread Ron Johnson
t; thereof. So how much credence can I give to CR systems if he is their > advocate? Not much, but don't let one person's idiocy dissuade you, since, in the Grand Scheme Of Things, AC/Bruce Burhans is not the Universal Embodiment Of CR... -- ----

Re: (OT) Team programming tools

2003-08-21 Thread Ron Johnson
/other-formats/html_single/CVS-RCS-HOWTO.html -- ----- Ron Johnson, Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jefferson, LA USA "Whatever may be the moral ambiguities of the so-called demoratic nations and however serious may be their failure to conform perfectly to their democratic i

Re: WD internal eide160 gb 40-pin recommended packages

2003-08-21 Thread Ron Johnson
screen does not show you more than 137GB, a new enough kernel and EIDE controller will give you 160GB. Of course, as John says, if your mobo is more than ~1 year old, you may need to get a PCI controller. -- - Ron Johnson, Jr. [EMAIL PRO

Re: exim questions: Filtering extensitons with version 3.35 or Howto move from exim 3.35 to 4.2

2003-08-21 Thread Ron Johnson
version 4.2x under Debian Woody? (Do any > deb's exist for Woody?) mimedefang -- ----- Ron Johnson, Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jefferson, LA USA "(Women are) like compilers. They take simple statements and make them into b

Re: how to configure e-mail server

2003-08-23 Thread Ron Johnson
where else in the developing world ;-) > > India's not China, it's a IT hotbed. The piracy rate is still pretty high. That's *one* reason why the Indian federal and state governments are looking favorably upon Linux: it reduces the piracy rate. -- ------

Re: [OT] Good GNU/Linux book for translation

2003-08-23 Thread Ron Johnson
tworking etc. And also basic Unix and Linux commands. I also would > like it to be as distro independent as possible. How about looking through either of these, from The Linux Documentation Project? http://www.tldp.org/guides.html http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/HOWTO-INDEX/howtos.html -- --

Re: XPde and Blanes2000

2003-08-24 Thread Ron Johnson
so I am not surprised that it it is well integrated. You ought to complain to the person/ people who created xpde as to why it's menus are sparse, and ask them for help. After all, proprietary interfaces are more friendly, and we support OSS... -- ---

Re: Today mozilla-firebird Wants To Remove KDE

2003-08-24 Thread Ron Johnson
m, immediately can take many hours. ;-) [snip] Even though the packages have been "removed", the debs still remain in /var/cache/apt/archives. Thus, unless new revisions of the KDE s/w have been released, apt won't re-download the debs. -- -------

Re: money/quicken/?

2003-08-24 Thread Ron Johnson
(>> 4.1.0), zlib1g (>= > > 1:1.1.4), slib, guile-1.6-slib, libfinance-quote-perl, > > libdate-manip-perl > > Look at all those dependencies! You're not supposed to scare people > off. :) If I were running RH/Mdk/SuSE (RPM Hell), or used KDE and had a 56K line, I

Re: money/quicken/?

2003-08-24 Thread Ron Johnson
(>> 4.1.0), zlib1g (>= > > 1:1.1.4), slib, guile-1.6-slib, libfinance-quote-perl, > > libdate-manip-perl > > Look at all those dependencies! You're not supposed to scare people > off. :) If you use Gnome, then the majority of these dependencies will already be me

Re: Today mozilla-firebird Wants To Remove KDE

2003-08-25 Thread Ron Johnson
of packages are available. > > Repeated runs of 'apt-get upgrade' should be no more effective than a > single run. Note, though, that "apt-get upgrade" plus the manual "apt-get install" of the held-back packages works perfectly. -- -

Re: What to expect after XP installation on the other disc

2003-08-25 Thread Ron Johnson
suffered from any of those problems... -- --------- Ron Johnson, Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jefferson, LA USA "Vanity, my favorite sin." Larry/John/Satan, "The Devil's Advocate" -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: COBOL compiler

2003-08-26 Thread Ron Johnson
ew of COBOL. In the hands of someone with a brain, it's quite a powerful and modular language. http://www.thekompany.com/products/kobol/ http://www.thekompany.com/products/kobol/demo.php3 -- ----- Ron Johnson, Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Je

Re: COBOL compiler

2003-08-26 Thread Ron Johnson
On Tue, 2003-08-26 at 08:36, Mark Roach wrote: > On Tue, 2003-08-26 at 08:52, Ron Johnson wrote: > > On Tue, 2003-08-26 at 03:35, Alex Malinovich wrote: > > > I've, unfortunately, been forced into taking a COBOL class as a > > > requirement for getting my BS. (And t

Re: COBOL compiler

2003-08-26 Thread Ron Johnson
On Tue, 2003-08-26 at 08:50, Kirk Strauser wrote: > At 2003-08-26T12:52:33Z, Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > Too bad you have such a negative view of COBOL. In the hands of someone > > with a brain, it's quite a powerful and modular language. > >

Re: COBOL compiler

2003-08-26 Thread Ron Johnson
On Tue, 2003-08-26 at 10:24, Yves Goergen wrote: > Von: "Ron Johnson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > On Tue, 2003-08-26 at 08:50, Kirk Strauser wrote: > > > At 2003-08-26T12:52:33Z, Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > > > > > Too

Re: COBOL compiler

2003-08-26 Thread Ron Johnson
On Tue, 2003-08-26 at 10:05, Kirk Strauser wrote: > At 2003-08-26T14:25:32Z, Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > For a "Hello, World" program, or an OS, or a graphics toolkit, even > > Admiral Hooper would not say that COBOL is the proper tool. O

RE: COBOL compiler

2003-08-27 Thread Ron Johnson
On Tue, 2003-08-26 at 13:29, David Turetsky wrote: > > On Tue, 2003-08-26 at 10:05, Kirk Strauser wrote: > > > At 2003-08-26T14:25:32Z, Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > > > > > For a "Hello, World" program, or an OS, or a graphics

Re: COBOL compiler

2003-08-27 Thread Ron Johnson
On Tue, 2003-08-26 at 17:22, bob parker wrote: > On Wed, 27 Aug 2003 00:25, Ron Johnson wrote: > > On Tue, 2003-08-26 at 08:50, Kirk Strauser wrote: > > > At 2003-08-26T12:52:33Z, Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > > Too bad you have such a nega

Re: OT: Debian Mailinglist server slow?

2003-08-27 Thread Ron Johnson
gt; server... Am I correct here? > > Does anyone know why? Has this something to do with Sobig.F? Luckily my > ISP filters out Sobig.F for me, so this saves me the hassle ;). I've noticed the same thing on this list and the PostgreSQL lists. -- -----

Re: COBOL compiler

2003-08-27 Thread Ron Johnson
On Tue, 2003-08-26 at 19:35, Britton wrote: > On Tue, 26 Aug 2003, Bijan Soleymani wrote: > > > On Tue, Aug 26, 2003 at 11:25:55AM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: [snip] > This just isn't true. Perl at least is brought to its knees by a variety > of problems that C has no

Re: COBOL compiler

2003-08-27 Thread Ron Johnson
On Tue, 2003-08-26 at 18:23, Bijan Soleymani wrote: > On Tue, Aug 26, 2003 at 02:30:57PM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: > > On Tue, 2003-08-26 at 13:29, David Turetsky wrote: > > > > On Tue, 2003-08-26 at 10:05, Kirk Strauser wrote: > > > > From: Ron Johnson [mail

RE: COBOL compiler

2003-08-27 Thread Ron Johnson
s add up. > Seems like a one-to-one correspondence to me, never mind the compactness > and power of Perl I'd still rather the MOVE CORRESPONDING, because it means that one more bit of busy work is off my plate. A corollary command is, if I remember properly, the FILL verb. If

Re: COBOL compiler

2003-08-27 Thread Ron Johnson
the price of being incredibly wordy. Our first "Hello > World" program is a little over two pages. Don't worry. By the time your code gets out to 3-500 lines, it'll be approximately the same length as a similar C program. -- ----

Re: OT: Why is C so popular?

2003-08-27 Thread Ron Johnson
ge. > And it runs on OpenVMS, which is The One True OS!! -- --------- Ron Johnson, Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jefferson, LA USA "Millions of Chinese speak Chinese, and it's not hereditary..." Dr. Dean Edell -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: OT: Why is C so popular?

2003-08-27 Thread Ron Johnson
hon is *very* portable, but even it has platform-specific functions. It's relatively easy, though, to compensate with run- time conditional execution. Given that the app programmer is adequately skilled and uses the proper algorithms, speed is dependent upon the compiler writer's skill, not

Re: OT: Why is C so popular?

2003-08-27 Thread Ron Johnson
in Fortran. Thus, C is great, and all other languages suck!". Fortunately, this attitude is also diminishing. Unfortunately, nowadays "s/C /Perl /". -- - Ron Johnson, Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jefferson, LA USA "Exp

Re: OT: Debian Mailinglist server slow?

2003-08-27 Thread Ron Johnson
gt; all the Debian mailing lists that Debian sends more email than some > spamhauses. It really takes a long time to send a lot of email on > old, donated hardware. Totally disagree. Before MSBlaster & sobig.f made their appearance, the debian- lists were responding very quickly. -- -

Re: OT: Why is C so popular?

2003-08-27 Thread Ron Johnson
On Wed, 2003-08-27 at 05:52, Colin Watson wrote: > On Wed, Aug 27, 2003 at 03:46:00AM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: > > It's only compatible and portable on similar platforms. Any C > > code that chock full of Linux system calls won't portable to any > > other platfor

Re: OT: Why is C so popular?

2003-08-27 Thread Ron Johnson
On Wed, 2003-08-27 at 06:34, Paul Johnson wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > On Wed, Aug 27, 2003 at 03:59:27AM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: > > 2 - C is The Language Of Unix, Unix is Great, We Use Unix, there- > > fore We Write In C. (The fact

Re: OT: Why is C so popular?

2003-08-27 Thread Ron Johnson
I'm totally confused on > the concept. (If not, what does .o stand for if not Object?) That's a joke, right? -- ----- Ron Johnson, Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jefferson, LA USA "Perl is worse than Python because people wante

Re: OT: Why is C so popular?

2003-08-27 Thread Ron Johnson
t;C was created to write unix to begin with" are sheep. Give me a better reason, like "I need to touch the hardware", or "the scripting language I use only allows binary extensions to be written in C". --

Re: OT: Debian Mailinglist server slow?

2003-08-27 Thread Ron Johnson
On Wed, 2003-08-27 at 07:56, Derrick 'dman' Hudson wrote: > On Wed, Aug 27, 2003 at 07:16:03AM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: > | On Wed, 2003-08-27 at 05:17, Paul Johnson wrote: > | > On Tue, Aug 26, 2003 at 11:25:10PM +0200, Pim Bliek wrote: [snip] > | > | Totally disagre

Re: OT: Why is C so popular?

2003-08-27 Thread Ron Johnson
eally need depending on what you > want to do... Python!! Object oriented, and methods that need speed are wrapped around C. -- ----- Ron Johnson, Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jefferson, LA USA "All machines, no matter ho

Re: COBOL compiler

2003-08-27 Thread Ron Johnson
On Wed, 2003-08-27 at 05:42, bob parker wrote: > On Wed, 27 Aug 2003 10:46, Ron Johnson wrote: > > On Tue, 2003-08-26 at 17:22, bob parker wrote: > > > On Wed, 27 Aug 2003 00:25, Ron Johnson wrote: > > > > > > I particularly like the way it deletes the most sign

Re: OT: Why is C so popular?

2003-08-27 Thread Ron Johnson
t; C was the single biggest mistake Stroustrup made. Gee, I thought I was a Luddite for not wanting my kids to start playing computer games when they turned 3. -- - Ron Johnson, Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jefferson, LA USA Great Inventors

Re: OT: Why is C so popular?

2003-08-27 Thread Ron Johnson
On Wed, 2003-08-27 at 04:06, Alfredo Valles wrote: > On Wednesday 27 August 2003 3:59 pm, Ron Johnson wrote: > > On Wed, 2003-08-27 at 07:15, Peter Hugosson-Miller wrote: > > > Frank Gevaerts wrote: > > > > On Wed, Aug 27, 2003 at 01:11:08AM -0500, Alex Malinovich wro

Re: OT: Why is C so popular?

2003-08-27 Thread Ron Johnson
On Wed, 2003-08-27 at 09:42, John Hasler wrote: > Ron Johnson writes: > > But the point is that it can easily be done, and often is, to get that > > extra feature, or reduce the SLOC by a dozen or so, or to speed it up a > > little bit. > > The only one of my packages

Re: OT: Why is C so popular?

2003-08-27 Thread Ron Johnson
e of honor in the > "brain-damaged" C++ hall of fame. How about Python with C modules for the stuff that C does better/ faster than Python? -- - Ron Johnson, Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jefferson, LA USA "For me and window

Re: OT: Why is C so popular?

2003-08-27 Thread Ron Johnson
unction, but with type safety. If you want a C-like OO language with type safety, why not use Java? -- - Ron Johnson, Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jefferson, LA USA "Why should we not accept all in favor of woman suffrage to our pla

Re: COBOL compiler

2003-08-27 Thread Ron Johnson
On Wed, 2003-08-27 at 06:41, Pigeon wrote: > On Tue, Aug 26, 2003 at 07:53:34PM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: > > On Tue, 2003-08-26 at 19:35, Britton wrote: > > > On Tue, 26 Aug 2003, Bijan Soleymani wrote: > > > > > > > On Tue, Aug 26, 2003 at 11:25:55AM -05

Re: Kernel vs driver question

2003-08-27 Thread Ron Johnson
s it isn't 2.4.18. > > Other than generating an entirely new kernel, is there > a way to get this driver happy with this kernel? > Like, rename the kernel somewhere? Could you give us a concrete example? -- ----- Ro

Re: Command line printing

2003-08-27 Thread Ron Johnson
you should be able to print any random text file by typing $ lp -d HP710C foobar.txt -- - Ron Johnson, Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jefferson, LA USA The purpose of the military isn't to pay your college tuition or give you a little extra income; it's to "kill people and break things&q

Re: OT: Why is C so popular?

2003-08-27 Thread Ron Johnson
llent binaries. > (Yeah, some people can get good performance because they're good c++ coders. > Probably it's not even a 1% of all c++ coders though) > > Another reason: great C compilers. (yeah, c++ is getting better...) --

Re: OT: Why is C so popular?

2003-08-28 Thread Ron Johnson
anguage, to distinguish it from 3GLs like, oh, every other procedural language except Assembly (which is 2GL, after all). -- - Ron Johnson, Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jefferson, LA USA "Man, I'm pretty. Hoo Hah!" Johnny Bravo -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: OT: Why is C so popular?

2003-08-28 Thread Ron Johnson
On Wed, 2003-08-27 at 10:34, Alfredo Valles wrote: > On Wednesday 27 August 2003 7:45 pm, Deryk Barker wrote: > > Thus spake Ron Johnson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): > > > On Wed, 2003-08-27 at 04:06, Alfredo Valles wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Pytho

Re: OT: Why is C so popular?

2003-08-28 Thread Ron Johnson
adamant > in how I use whitespace. Though I will need to pick it up sooner later. Why Alex, whatever do you mean by that? -- ----- Ron Johnson, Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jefferson, LA USA "As the night fall does not come at onc

Re: OT: Why is C so popular?

2003-08-28 Thread Ron Johnson
ife Cycle bit). If you want a (IMHO) good mix between QnD and OO, try Python. It is totally comfortable with procedural coding and OO coding. -- --------- Ron Johnson, Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jefferson, LA USA "Our computers and their comp

Re: Faked From-Adress with my domain on them

2003-08-28 Thread Ron Johnson
m your emails: Old-Return-Path: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> From: Kevin Mark <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- - Ron Johnson, Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jefferson, LA USA "What other evidence do you have that

Re: COBOL compiler

2003-08-28 Thread Ron Johnson
've ever seen it. > Someday I'd like to see some "COBOL-like" code written in C. Instead of lots of small functions and a minimum of global variables, the classic code from a "bad COBOL programmer forced to write C" would have large main(), very few other functions,

Re: COBOL compiler

2003-08-28 Thread Ron Johnson
.pyc file (c) you can hide the source from the end-users, especially "a little knowledge is a dangerous thing" dorks. -- - Ron Johnson, Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jefferson, LA USA "As the night fall does not come at

Re: OT: Why is C so popular?

2003-08-28 Thread Ron Johnson
st other of it's ideas, others are *finally* catching up with DEC: GNU is, I believe, trying to do something similar with the gnu compiler collection. -- - Ron Johnson, Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jefferson, LA USA Thanks to the good people in Microsoft, a great de

Re: OT: Why is C so popular?

2003-08-28 Thread Ron Johnson
h better > after that. > > I also think that enforced indentation is a very good thing in a > language used to teach programming - one of the things that makes > python so good for that, in fact. But as you just demonstrated, regularized indenting is crucial to any code bigger than

Re: OT: Why is C so popular?

2003-08-28 Thread Ron Johnson
On Wed, 2003-08-27 at 21:58, Steve Lamb wrote: > On Wed, 27 Aug 2003 21:53:26 -0500 > Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Seriously, though, OO languages, being born of academia, were designed > > *not* to be quick-'n-dirty languages. They were designed with &g

Re: VIA CPU's

2003-08-28 Thread Ron Johnson
important to you? Speed or silence? -- --------- Ron Johnson, Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jefferson, LA USA PETA - People Eating Tasty Animals -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: COBOL compiler

2003-08-28 Thread Ron Johnson
On Wed, 2003-08-27 at 22:13, Deryk Barker wrote: > Thus spake Ron Johnson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): > > > On Wed, 2003-08-27 at 17:34, Paul M Foster wrote: > > > On Wed, Aug 27, 2003 at 01:15:13AM -0500, Michael Heironimus wrote: > > > > > > > On Tue, Aug 26

Re: OT: Why is C so popular?

2003-08-28 Thread Ron Johnson
hat os.path.walk() is a godsend. :) As are, IMO, .isabs() .isfile() .isdir() .islink() .ismount() .realpath() -- - Ron Johnson, Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jefferson, LA USA Thanks to the good people in Microsoft, a great deal of th

Re: OT: Why is C so popular?

2003-08-28 Thread Ron Johnson
On Thu, 2003-08-28 at 01:44, Alex Malinovich wrote: > On Wed, 2003-08-27 at 21:43, Ron Johnson wrote: > > On Wed, 2003-08-27 at 16:01, Alex Malinovich wrote: > > > Дана сре, 27-08-2003 у 13:06, Steve Lamb је написао: > > > > On Wed, 27 Aug 2003 04:21:05 -0700 > >

Re: OT: Why is C so popular?

2003-08-28 Thread Ron Johnson
me, a COBOL fan, COBOL-69 was Truly, Totally Evil. -- ----- Ron Johnson, Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jefferson, LA USA "What other evidence do you have that they are terrorists, other than that they trained in these camps?" 17-Sep-2002 Katie Couric t

Re: more OT: search-and-replace commands (was Re: OT: Why is C sopopular?)

2003-08-28 Thread Ron Johnson
nly change the extension. And, no, MS *still* can't do anything right, since the filename/ filetype split is at least as old as the '70s. CP/M had it, as well as various DEC OSs (which were the inspiration for CP/M). -- --------- Ron

Re: OT: Why is C so popular?

2003-08-28 Thread Ron Johnson
re Windows > > proggies were up to what we had on the 286. > > Windows, yes. OS/2 v3.0 and higher, no. Could Warp run on the 286? I don't think so. It definitely ran fine on my 486DX/33 w/ 8MB RAM and et4000/w32 video card. -- ---

Re: OT: Why is C so popular?

2003-08-28 Thread Ron Johnson
On Wed, 2003-08-27 at 22:57, bob parker wrote: > On Thu, 28 Aug 2003 01:55, Ron Johnson wrote: > > On Wed, 2003-08-27 at 04:06, Alfredo Valles wrote: > > > On Wednesday 27 August 2003 3:59 pm, Ron Johnson wrote: > > > > On Wed, 2003-08-27 at 07:15, Peter Hugosson

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