Re: on the verge of shopping for new desktop hardware, recommendations?

2021-03-09 Thread Tixy
On Mon, 2021-03-08 at 21:16 +0100, Linux-Fan wrote: > Tixy writes: > > > On Mon, 2021-03-08 at 05:36 -0500, The Wanderer wrote: > > > On 2021-03-07 at 22:53, Felix Miata wrote: > > > > > > > Linux-Fan composed on 2021-03-08 03:35 (UTC+0100): > > > > > > > > > Wrt. power I usually start from CPU

Re: Use motherboard video-out or GPU’s

2021-03-09 Thread deloptes
Pankaj Jangid wrote: > Suppose I have a good motherboard with two GPUs installed in the PCIe > slots. Now, should I connect the monitor to the motherboard video-out or > should I use GPU’s output? Suppose the OS (Debian GNU/Linux in this > case) is fully configured to utilize the GPUs i.e. drivers

Re: on the verge of shopping for new desktop hardware, recommendations?

2021-03-09 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Du, 07 mar 21, 13:56:03, Stefan Monnier wrote: > >> Another important consideration is memory -- non-ECC vs. ECC. Desktop > >> stuff has the former, workstation and server stuff done right has the > >> latter. STFW "memory error", "bit rot" and related. I prefer computers > >> with ECC mem

Re: on the verge of shopping for new desktop hardware, recommendations?

2021-03-09 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Du, 07 mar 21, 16:36:34, Dan Hitt wrote: > On Sun, Mar 7, 2021 at 4:25 PM IL Ka wrote: > > > > >> The reason for the two networks is that my modem-router is electrically > >> incompatible with one of my computers. > >> > > hmm, I never heard about such things) > > Is your electrical grounding

Re: Use motherboard video-out or GPU’s

2021-03-09 Thread IL Ka
> Last but not least - why many GPUs but one monitor? It makes no sense. There is one exception called "PRIME" or dGPU: https://www.spinics.net/lists/xorg/msg59821.html https://download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86_64/435.17/README/primerenderoffload.html https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/PRI

Re: Use motherboard video-out or GPU’s

2021-03-09 Thread IL Ka
> Suppose I have a good motherboard with two GPUs installed in the PCIe > slots. Now, should I connect the monitor to the motherboard video-out or > should I use GPU’s output? Motherboard output is for integrated video cards. https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/support/articles/57824/gr

Re: Status update {Re: PARTIAL DIAGNOSIS of Installation problems}

2021-03-09 Thread Richard Owlett
On 03/08/2021 10:18 AM, songbird wrote: Richard Owlett wrote: ... before chasing down this rabbit hole, see if there is an upgrade for your current kernel on the debian backports site (for your processor and distribution type). i just had an issue with a new device not being recognized and upda

Re: Use motherboard video-out or GPU’s

2021-03-09 Thread Pankaj Jangid
deloptes writes: >> Now, should I connect the monitor to the motherboard video-out or >> should I use GPU’s output? Suppose the OS (Debian GNU/Linux in this >> case) is fully configured to utilize the GPUs i.e. drivers etc. are set >> up. Will the graphic system be able to utilize the GPUs irresp

Re: Use motherboard video-out or GPU’s

2021-03-09 Thread Linux-Fan
Pankaj Jangid writes: I have a confusion. Actually there are two. Please help me understand this. Suppose I have a good motherboard with two GPUs installed in the PCIe slots. Now, should I connect the monitor to the motherboard video-out or should I use GPU’s output? Suppose the OS (Debian GNU/

Re: Status update {Re: PARTIAL DIAGNOSIS of Installation problems}

2021-03-09 Thread Anssi Saari
Richard Owlett writes: > The more I think about my observed symptoms, it would seem logical to > be kernel related. > > If the Linkzone is physically connected when PC is turned on, the boot > process will hang until the Linkzone is disconnected. I have a guess then. Maybe the Linkzone comes up

Re: Status update {Re: PARTIAL DIAGNOSIS of Installation problems}

2021-03-09 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Ma, 09 mar 21, 06:32:33, Richard Owlett wrote: > On 03/08/2021 10:18 AM, songbird wrote: > > Richard Owlett wrote: > > ... > > > > before chasing down this rabbit hole, see if there is an > > upgrade for your current kernel on the debian backports > > site (for your processor and distribution t

Re: on the verge of shopping for new desktop hardware, recommendations?

2021-03-09 Thread rhkramer
On Tuesday, March 09, 2021 12:12:40 AM Felix Miata wrote: > David Wright composed on 2021-03-08 22:37 (UTC-0600): > > I realise that, but if your service were to become unsatisfactory, > > then before you complained, you'd want to check that it's not your > > modem at fault. Would you expect your s

Re: Status update {Re: PARTIAL DIAGNOSIS of Installation problems}

2021-03-09 Thread Joe
On Tue, 09 Mar 2021 14:57:47 +0200 Anssi Saari wrote: > Richard Owlett writes: > > > The more I think about my observed symptoms, it would seem logical > > to be kernel related. > > > > If the Linkzone is physically connected when PC is turned on, the > > boot process will hang until the Linkzo

Re: Status update {Re: PARTIAL DIAGNOSIS of Installation problems}

2021-03-09 Thread Joe
On Tue, 9 Mar 2021 15:00:07 +0200 Andrei POPESCU wrote: > On Ma, 09 mar 21, 06:32:33, Richard Owlett wrote: > > On 03/08/2021 10:18 AM, songbird wrote: > > > Richard Owlett wrote: > > > ... > > > > > > before chasing down this rabbit hole, see if there is an > > > upgrade for your current kern

Re: on the verge of shopping for new desktop hardware, recommendations?

2021-03-09 Thread Joe
On Tue, 9 Mar 2021 08:12:47 -0500 rhkra...@gmail.com wrote: > On Tuesday, March 09, 2021 12:12:40 AM Felix Miata wrote: > > David Wright composed on 2021-03-08 22:37 (UTC-0600): > > > I realise that, but if your service were to become unsatisfactory, > > > then before you complained, you'd want

Re: Use motherboard video-out or GPU???s

2021-03-09 Thread Dan Ritter
Pankaj Jangid wrote: > I???ll be using multiple monitors but my original doubt was this. If I am > not connecting a monitor to GPU output, will I not be utilizing its > power for (this) display? Assuming, I have configured X to utilize all > the GPUs for number crunching. Should it make any diffe

Re: on the verge of shopping for new desktop hardware, recommendations?

2021-03-09 Thread Dan Ritter
Andrei POPESCU wrote: > On Du, 07 mar 21, 13:56:03, Stefan Monnier wrote: > > >> Another important consideration is memory -- non-ECC vs. ECC. Desktop > > The motherboard needs support for it as well, e.g. I'm eying the ASRock > B550M Steel Legend for a fan-less build (unfortunately the Ryzen

Re: on the verge of shopping for new desktop hardware, recommendations?

2021-03-09 Thread Stefan Monnier
> I realise that, but if your service were to become unsatisfactory, > then before you complained, you'd want to check that it's not your > modem at fault. Would you expect your spare modem to work, because it > has a different MAC from what's expected by the ISP's end of the line. You should be a

Re: Use motherboard video-out or GPU???s

2021-03-09 Thread Stefan Monnier
> Each monitor will only use the GPU that it is connected to. FWIW, I find the terminology used in the graphics card PC industry very confusing. In my view, there are 4 different kinds of components to a graphic system: - Memory: this can be dedicated "video RAM" or just a chunk of your normal

Re: on the verge of shopping for new desktop hardware, recommendations?

2021-03-09 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Ma, 09 mar 21, 09:54:22, Dan Ritter wrote: > Andrei POPESCU wrote: > > On Du, 07 mar 21, 13:56:03, Stefan Monnier wrote: > > > >> Another important consideration is memory -- non-ECC vs. ECC. Desktop > > > > The motherboard needs support for it as well, e.g. I'm eying the ASRock > > B550M S

Re: on the verge of shopping for new desktop hardware, recommendations?

2021-03-09 Thread Gene Heskett
On Tuesday 09 March 2021 08:12:47 rhkra...@gmail.com wrote: > On Tuesday, March 09, 2021 12:12:40 AM Felix Miata wrote: > > David Wright composed on 2021-03-08 22:37 (UTC-0600): > > > I realise that, but if your service were to become unsatisfactory, > > > then before you complained, you'd want to

Re: Use motherboard video-out or GPU???s

2021-03-09 Thread Dan Ritter
Stefan Monnier wrote: > > Each monitor will only use the GPU that it is connected to. > > FWIW, I find the terminology used in the graphics card PC industry very > confusing. In my view, there are 4 different kinds of components to > a graphic system: > > - Memory: this can be dedicated "video

Re: on the verge of shopping for new desktop hardware, recommendations?

2021-03-09 Thread Dan Ritter
Andrei POPESCU wrote: > On Ma, 09 mar 21, 09:54:22, Dan Ritter wrote: > > Andrei POPESCU wrote: > There's something curious about that, especially considering that the > PRO version (4350GE) is *not* OEM only!? I don't think that's the case. > It's almost like they confused the PRO with the

How to set Upstream and Downstream Bandwidth in load balance router if the speed varies?

2021-03-09 Thread Markos
Hi, I'm a Debian user and have already configured a router TL-R470T+ to connect with 2 providers (by PPPoE and dynamic link). And I'm using the TL-WR841ND V10 router only as an access point. Now I'm in doubt as to how I will set the Upstream and Downstream Bandwidth for each ISP if every tim

Re: How to set Upstream and Downstream Bandwidth in load balance router if the speed varies?

2021-03-09 Thread Dan Ritter
Markos wrote: > I'm a Debian user and have already configured a router TL-R470T+ to connect > with 2 providers (by PPPoE and dynamic link). And I'm using the TL-WR841ND > V10 router only as an access point. > > Now I'm in doubt as to how I will set the Upstream and Downstream Bandwidth > for each

Re: Use motherboard video-out or GPU’s

2021-03-09 Thread deloptes
Pankaj Jangid wrote: > Okay. So, this is possible. But my doubt remains. See below. > >> Last but not least - why many GPUs but one monitor? It makes no sense. It >> should use the one where the monitor is attached, but usually monitors >> have more inputs, which you can utilize. > > I’ll be usi

Re: Status update {Re: PARTIAL DIAGNOSIS of Installation problems}

2021-03-09 Thread Richard Owlett
On 03/09/2021 07:00 AM, Andrei POPESCU wrote: On Ma, 09 mar 21, 06:32:33, Richard Owlett wrote: On 03/08/2021 10:18 AM, songbird wrote: Richard Owlett wrote: ... before chasing down this rabbit hole, see if there is an upgrade for your current kernel on the debian backports site (for your proc

Modem MACs and how ISPs view them, was Re: on the verge of …

2021-03-09 Thread David Wright
Change of topic overdue: On Tue 09 Mar 2021 at 00:12:40 (-0500), Felix Miata wrote: > David Wright composed on 2021-03-08 22:37 (UTC-0600): > > On Sun 07 Mar 2021 at 21:37:37 (-0500), Felix Miata wrote: > > >> Having != connected. The extras are spares. :) > > > I realise that, but if your servi

Re: on the verge of shopping for new desktop hardware, recommendations?

2021-03-09 Thread David Wright
On Tue 09 Mar 2021 at 11:59:35 (-0500), Gene Heskett wrote: > On Tuesday 09 March 2021 08:12:47 rhkra...@gmail.com wrote: > > On Tuesday, March 09, 2021 12:12:40 AM Felix Miata wrote: > > > David Wright composed on 2021-03-08 22:37 (UTC-0600): > > > > I realise that, but if your service were to bec

Re: Use motherboard video-out or GPU’s

2021-03-09 Thread Felix Miata
deloptes composed on 2021-03-09 19:43 (UTC+0100): > AFAIR A screen will be assigned to the controller/GPU. then to each output a > Monitor and Display will be assigned. > As you know there are few options how it can be handled (Extend/Clone). > The resolution depends on the quality of the cards.

Re: Modem MACs and how ISPs view them, was Re: on the verge of …

2021-03-09 Thread Nicholas Geovanis
My sanity requires top-posting: See your very last sentence: You go to an HTTP port at a non-routable address which should be on the box. Usually on a yellow sticker. Now I've never tried to program that interaction but I bet it could be done. For comparison, biggish Juniper routers are configured

A suggestion to multiply your users

2021-03-09 Thread Brett Pierce
Hi. Really looking forward to trying out this tool. Only... even though I've been on computers since late 1980s but I'm not a geek - but not entirely stupid either. Your website is really intimidating and confusing. It's very geeky to me, which means to many others as well. I was able to find tha

Re: A suggestion to multiply your users

2021-03-09 Thread Dan Ritter
Brett Pierce wrote: > Really looking forward to trying out this tool. Only... even though I've > been on computers since late 1980s but I'm not a geek - but not entirely > stupid either. Your website is really intimidating and confusing. It's > very geeky to me, which means to many others as well

Hardware requirements between Debian 9 and 10

2021-03-09 Thread Cmdte Alpha Tigre Z
Hello. I'm new to GNU/Linux systems. I would like to know why the RAM requirements showed here: https://www.debian.org/releases/buster/amd64/ch03s04.en.html are double the size of those displayed here: https://www.debian.org/releases/stretch/amd64/ch03s04.html.en Excuse my ignorance, I have a bi

Re: Hardware requirements between Debian 9 and 10

2021-03-09 Thread Stefan Monnier
> I'm new to GNU/Linux systems. I would like to know > why the RAM requirements showed here: > https://www.debian.org/releases/buster/amd64/ch03s04.en.html > are double the size of those displayed here: > https://www.debian.org/releases/stretch/amd64/ch03s04.html.en I think it just reflects the p

Re: Hardware requirements between Debian 9 and 10

2021-03-09 Thread Cmdte Alpha Tigre Z
> I have a 1GB laptop here > (with XFCE4) and using Firefox on it has been painful for many > years already. May I ask, what version of Debian do you use? I have been reading throughout the Web that Xfce4 is not so lightweight as it was before. Apparently, its performance is comparable to that of

Re: Hardware requirements between Debian 9 and 10

2021-03-09 Thread Stefan Monnier
>> I have a 1GB laptop here (with XFCE4) and using Firefox on it has >> been painful for many years already. > May I ask, what version of Debian do you use? Debian testing. > I have been reading throughout the Web that Xfce4 is not so > lightweight as it was before. Apparently, its performance i

Re: Modem MACs and how ISPs view them, was Re: on the verge of …

2021-03-09 Thread IL Ka
I will try to share my knowledge about DSL and DOCSIS (cable modems) although it may be inaccurate and/or outdated and valid only for my country. MAC address only exists in Ethernet networks or something that emulates it. Ethernet (Level 2) networks are connected with Level 3 devices called router

Re: Hardware requirements between Debian 9 and 10

2021-03-09 Thread Charles Curley
On Tue, 09 Mar 2021 17:46:16 -0500 Stefan Monnier wrote: > I have a 1GB laptop here > (with XFCE4) and using Firefox on it has been painful for many > years already. There is a bug in the 686 version of vivaldi, or I would recommend it to you. The amd64 version is great for low memory applicatio

Re: Hardware requirements between Debian 9 and 10

2021-03-09 Thread Cmdte Alpha Tigre Z
> Debian testing. I see that you use the latest version of the system, maybe it could have some impact on performance. > I wouldn't know since I use XFCE4 everywhere, but the desktop > environment only has some impact. When it comes to Firefox, the main > issue is Firefox itself and the pages yo

Re: on the verge of shopping for new desktop hardware, recommendations?

2021-03-09 Thread Dan Hitt
On Mon, Mar 8, 2021 at 1:12 PM David Christensen wrote: > On 3/7/21 7:09 PM, Dan Hitt wrote: > > On Sun, Mar 7, 2021 at 5:25 PM David Christensen < > dpchr...@holgerdanske.com> > > wrote: > > > >> On 3/7/21 4:45 PM, Dan Hitt wrote: > >>> On Sun, Mar 7, 2021 at 4:27 PM David Christensen < > >> dpc

Re: Modem MACs and how ISPs view them, was Re: on the verge of …

2021-03-09 Thread rhkramer
On Tuesday, March 09, 2021 03:54:18 PM David Wright wrote: > On Tue 09 Mar 2021 at 08:12:47 (-0500), rhkra...@gmail.com wrote: > > I have DSL service, and a spare modem that I've occasionally put in > > service (for testing the "main" modem) and have not had to notify the > > ISP. (They were both

Re: A suggestion to multiply your users

2021-03-09 Thread rhkramer
On Tuesday, March 09, 2021 04:05:38 PM Brett Pierce wrote: > Hi. > > Really looking forward to trying out this tool. Are you talking about Debian? > Only... even though I've > been on computers since late 1980s but I'm not a geek - but not entirely > stupid either. Your website is really intimi

Re: Hardware requirements between Debian 9 and 10

2021-03-09 Thread IL Ka
> > Excuse my ignorance, I have a bit old laptop and I don't know if it would > be better > to have Debian 9 so I can, possibly, load KDE on it, or instead Debian 10 > but having to limit myself to lightweight applications only. > IMHO: it is better to use the latest Debian even on the old laptop u

Re: Hardware requirements between Debian 9 and 10

2021-03-09 Thread Cmdte Alpha Tigre Z
> G'day > > My 2 cents worth, Deb10 with either Mate or xfce desktop. KDE/plasma is great, but I find it slow to load on i7 with 8G ram and add. It has more config options, but I've gotten over that. Oh, I don't boot often, but I've grown impatient. > > As I said, my 2 cents worth. Wow, it looks l

Re: Hardware requirements between Debian 9 and 10

2021-03-09 Thread Charles Curley
On Tue, 9 Mar 2021 18:30:15 -0400 Cmdte Alpha Tigre Z wrote: > I'm new to GNU/Linux systems. I would like to know > why the RAM requirements showed here: > https://www.debian.org/releases/buster/amd64/ch03s04.en.html > are double the size of those displayed here: > https://www.debian.org/release

Re: Hardware requirements between Debian 9 and 10

2021-03-09 Thread Keith Bainbridge
G'day My 2 cents worth, Deb10 with either Mate or xfce desktop. KDE/plasma is great, but I find it slow to load on i7 with 8G ram and add. It has more config options, but I've gotten over that. Oh, I don't boot often, but I've grown impatient. As I said, my 2 cents worth. -- Keith BAINBRI

Re: Hardware requirements between Debian 9 and 10

2021-03-09 Thread Cmdte Alpha Tigre Z
> IMHO: it is better to use the latest Debian even on the old laptop unless your laptop is 15 years old. > > You can try LXDE: https://wiki.debian.org/LXDE > It is very lightweight:) > > "tasksel" (tool that runs when you install Debian) asks you which DE to enable. You can choose LXDE there. > > I

Re: A suggestion to multiply your users

2021-03-09 Thread Michael Grant
Brett, Dan's exactly correct: > Debian is a Linux distribution -- a collection of software that > works together as a complete operating system plus applications. A Linux distribution can run programs written to run in Linux of which Inkscape is but one of those programs. The Debian users on th

Re: A suggestion to multiply your users

2021-03-09 Thread deloptes
Brett Pierce wrote: > Can I suggest you get a straight-talking non-geek who knows nothing about > your software and give them several scenarios (eg, A. You want to edit raw > files for your photos. Try Ubuntu with Gnome or KDE. It is more user friendly.

Re: Hardware requirements between Debian 9 and 10

2021-03-09 Thread IL Ka
By the way: some people use bare window managers instead of full-fledged desktop environments. > Some window managers (like TWM) can run on 8MB of RAM:). The smallest one is called CWM (created by OpenBSD). https://packages.debian.org/buster/cwm but it is for these old UNIX gurus who never leave

Re: Hardware requirements between Debian 9 and 10

2021-03-09 Thread Cmdte Alpha Tigre Z
> Tell us more about your laptop. Have you tried booting a Debian live CD > on it? Well, my laptop is an Acer Aspire One D255E, it has 1GB of RAM and an Intel Atom Inside N455 with Intel GMA integrated. > I recommend against Debian 9, as it is getting old. I generally > recommend keeping to the c

Re: on the verge of shopping for new desktop hardware, recommendations?

2021-03-09 Thread David Christensen
On 3/9/21 3:15 PM, Dan Hitt wrote: On Mon, Mar 8, 2021 at 1:12 PM David Christensen wrote: On 3/7/21 7:09 PM, Dan Hitt wrote: On Sun, Mar 7, 2021 at 5:25 PM David Christensen < What model mac? It's a mac pro. When posting on a technical mailing list, please include the relevant enginee

Re: Hardware requirements between Debian 9 and 10

2021-03-09 Thread IL Ka
> > Thanks for your advice, I think my laptop is from 2013, > but it is Pineview, id est Intel Atom. > How much ram do you have? If it is 4Gb or less you should probably use i386 instead of the amd64 version of Debian. I'd start with Debian 10 and LXDE or LxQt: https://opensource.com/article/19/12

Re: Use motherboard video-out or GPU’s

2021-03-09 Thread deloptes
Felix Miata wrote: > Clear as mud. > > Monitor = display. This is physical. > > Screen for X purposes is comprised of from 1 to N displays aka 1 to N > monitors, and most often is. It's a logical construct in which displayed > output can be either mirrored (cloned) or discrete (unique). > Not

Re: Hardware requirements between Debian 9 and 10

2021-03-09 Thread Cmdte Alpha Tigre Z
> By the way: some people use bare window managers instead of full-fledged desktop environments. > > Some window managers (like TWM) can run on 8MB of RAM:). The smallest one is called CWM (created by OpenBSD). > https://packages.debian.org/buster/cwm > > but it is for these old UNIX gurus who neve

Re: Hardware requirements between Debian 9 and 10

2021-03-09 Thread deloptes
IL Ka wrote: > By the way: some people use bare window managers instead of full-fledged > desktop environments. > >> Some window managers (like TWM) can run on 8MB of RAM:). The smallest one > is called CWM (created by OpenBSD). > https://packages.debian.org/buster/cwm > > but it is for these ol

Re: Hardware requirements between Debian 9 and 10

2021-03-09 Thread Cmdte Alpha Tigre Z
> How much ram do you have? > If it is 4Gb or less you should probably use i386 instead of the amd64 version of Debian. Yes, I was reading the amd64 version because I was also attempting to install Debian on a 4GB and Intel Core 2 Duo vPro desktop PC, which I thought could run Debian 10 with KDE.

Re: Hardware requirements between Debian 9 and 10

2021-03-09 Thread Cmdte Alpha Tigre Z
> Definitely not) Use the Desktop environment like lxde/lxqt: it uses concepts you are already familiar with: Desktop, main menu, icons etc.. I used a Live CD with LXDE on the other PC, it looked fine but it was a bit disappointing compared to Windows 7 Starter. I could not install a firmware pac

Re: Hardware requirements between Debian 9 and 10

2021-03-09 Thread Charles Curley
On Tue, 9 Mar 2021 19:44:44 -0400 Cmdte Alpha Tigre Z wrote: > > I recommend against Debian 9, as it is getting old. I generally > > recommend keeping to the current Debian release for security > > reasons. > > Hmm, I thought that Debian 9 received enough security updates, and it > still have

Re: Hardware requirements between Debian 9 and 10

2021-03-09 Thread Stefan Monnier
>> I wouldn't know since I use XFCE4 everywhere, but the desktop >> environment only has some impact. When it comes to Firefox, the main >> issue is Firefox itself and the pages you visit. > > I had trouble with Firefox in the past on Windows 7, > I had to change to Chrome then. Surprisingly, > n

Re: Re: How to set Upstream and Downstream Bandwidth in load balance router if the speed varies?

2021-03-09 Thread Markos
Markos wrote: I'm a Debian user and have already configured a router TL-R470T+ to connect with 2 providers (by PPPoE and dynamic link). And I'm using the TL-WR841ND V10 router only as an access point. Now I'm in doubt as to how I will set the Upstream and Downstream Bandwidth for each ISP if ev

Re: Hardware requirements between Debian 9 and 10

2021-03-09 Thread Cmdte Alpha Tigre Z
> Sorry, I wasn't very clear there. You are correct that 9 is still > getting support, especially security updates. However, older versions > of Debian don't get newer versions of the software. Not all security > fixes can be backported. So there is a slow, imperceptible gap between > older version

Re: on the verge of shopping for new desktop hardware, recommendations?

2021-03-09 Thread Dan Hitt
On Tue, Mar 9, 2021 at 3:50 PM David Christensen wrote: > On 3/9/21 3:15 PM, Dan Hitt wrote: > > On Mon, Mar 8, 2021 at 1:12 PM David Christensen wrote: > >> On 3/7/21 7:09 PM, Dan Hitt wrote: > >>> On Sun, Mar 7, 2021 at 5:25 PM David Christensen < > > What model mac? > > >>> It's a mac pro

Re: Use motherboard video-out or GPU’s

2021-03-09 Thread IL Ka
> Felix Miata wrote: > > > Clear as mud. > > > > Monitor = display. This is physical. > > > > Screen for X purposes is comprised of from 1 to N displays aka 1 to N > > monitors, and most often is. It's a logical construct in which displayed > > output can be either mirrored (cloned) or discrete (un

Re: Use motherboard video-out or GPU’s

2021-03-09 Thread mick crane
On 2021-03-09 12:48, Pankaj Jangid wrote: deloptes writes: Now, should I connect the monitor to the motherboard video-out or should I use GPU’s output? Suppose the OS (Debian GNU/Linux in this case) is fully configured to utilize the GPUs i.e. drivers etc. are set up. Will the graphic system

Re: A suggestion to multiply your users

2021-03-09 Thread Brett Pierce
Thanks guys. Fortunately I have a computer games programming son who is all over Linux. I'll get him to help. On Wed, 10 Mar 2021, 10:34 am Michael Grant, wrote: > Brett, > > Dan's exactly correct: > > > Debian is a Linux distribution -- a collection of software that > > works together as a comp

Re: Hardware requirements between Debian 9 and 10

2021-03-09 Thread IL Ka
> > That thing of no software updates is very weird. > Windows 7 is many years old yet I can still use the latest version of > Firefox. > Yes, but you can't run the latest Chrome on the Windows XP. And you can't run it on Pentium 3 (because it doesn't support the latest SSE4). Modern software needs

Re: on the verge of shopping for new desktop hardware, recommendations?

2021-03-09 Thread David Christensen
On 3/9/21 4:25 PM, Dan Hitt wrote: On Tue, Mar 9, 2021 at 3:50 PM David Christensen wrote: On 3/9/21 3:15 PM, Dan Hitt wrote: On Mon, Mar 8, 2021 at 1:12 PM David Christensen wrote: On 3/7/21 7:09 PM, Dan Hitt wrote: On Sun, Mar 7, 2021 at 5:25 PM David Christensen < What model mac? I

Re: Hardware requirements between Debian 9 and 10

2021-03-09 Thread Cmdte Alpha Tigre Z
>> That thing of no software updates is very weird. >> Windows 7 is many years old yet I can still use the latest version of Firefox. > > Yes, but you can't run the latest Chrome on the Windows XP. And you can't run it on Pentium 3 (because it doesn't support the latest SSE4). > Modern software nee

Is there an alternative filesystem hierarchy that could be adapted to Debian.

2021-03-09 Thread Cmdte Alpha Tigre Z
Hello. While I was making my research before installing Debian I saw that the filesystem hierarchy is not so friendly (I'm new to GNU/Linux operating systems). I saw there was a distribution called GoboLinux which addressed that inconvenience, but according to a DistroWatch review, it is not usabl

Could KDE work adequately on a PC with 4 GB of RAM and an Intel Core 2 Duo processor @ 2.33 GHz?

2021-03-09 Thread Cmdte Alpha Tigre Z
Hello. I would like to install Debian 10 with the KDE Plasma task on a PC with 4 GB of RAM and Intel Core 2 Duo E6550 @ 2.33 GHz, it doesn't have a GPU. Do you think it would run without problems or would it be slow and laggy? Thanks in advance for your answers.

Re: Could KDE work adequately on a PC with 4 GB of RAM and an Intel Core 2 Duo processor @ 2.33 GHz?

2021-03-09 Thread Nicholas Geovanis
On Tue, Mar 9, 2021, 9:34 PM Cmdte Alpha Tigre Z wrote: > Hello. > > I would like to install Debian 10 with the KDE Plasma task > on a PC with 4 GB of RAM and Intel Core 2 Duo E6550 @ 2.33 GHz, > it doesn't have a GPU. > Do you think it would run without problems > or would it be slow and laggy?

Re: Is there an alternative filesystem hierarchy that could be adapted to Debian.

2021-03-09 Thread Weaver
On 10-03-2021 13:08, Cmdte Alpha Tigre Z wrote: > Hello. > > While I was making my research before installing Debian > I saw that the filesystem hierarchy is not so friendly > (I'm new to GNU/Linux operating systems). Yes, you are. There is nothing `unfriendly' concerning the filesystem heirarch

Re: Use motherboard video-out or GPU???s

2021-03-09 Thread Pankaj Jangid
Stefan Monnier writes: >> Each monitor will only use the GPU that it is connected to. > > FWIW, I find the terminology used in the graphics card PC industry very > confusing. In my view, there are 4 different kinds of components to > a graphic system: > > ... > > Most PC's "discrete" graphics ca

Re: Use motherboard video-out or GPU???s

2021-03-09 Thread Pankaj Jangid
Dan Ritter writes: > All correct, except -- > if you have one of the specific combinations of AMD APU, AMD > graphics card, and AMD-chipset motherboards that can do "Hybrid > Crossfire" in which, surprise, the GPU integrated with the CPU > can contribute to rendering each other's frame buffers. (

Re: Use motherboard video-out or GPU’s

2021-03-09 Thread Pankaj Jangid
IL Ka writes: > Nowadays you should have: > * One screen and one display (DISPLAY=:0.0) unless you do something rare > like Zaphod mode. > * Use randr (either directly or with tools provided by your DE) to > configure each monitor as different output Clear. Thanks a lot. > "Several screens" (or

Re: on the verge of shopping for new desktop hardware, recommendations?

2021-03-09 Thread Doug McGarrett
On 3/9/21 6:50 PM, David Christensen wrote: On 3/9/21 3:15 PM, Dan Hitt wrote: On Mon, Mar 8, 2021 at 1:12 PM David Christensen wrote: On 3/7/21 7:09 PM, Dan Hitt wrote: On Sun, Mar 7, 2021 at 5:25 PM David Christensen < What model mac? It's a mac pro. When posting on a technical m

Re: Use motherboard video-out or GPU???s

2021-03-09 Thread deloptes
Pankaj Jangid wrote: > But anyway, I have some spare GPUs from AMD (Radeon RX580) and am > planning go via Ryzen way. So I guess, I will be able to utilize the > things nicely now. Thanks. Keep in mind that AMD dropped support for their older card models.

Re: Could KDE work adequately on a PC with 4 GB of RAM and an Intel Core 2 Duo processor @ 2.33 GHz?

2021-03-09 Thread deloptes
Cmdte Alpha Tigre Z wrote: > I would like to install Debian 10 with the KDE Plasma task > on a PC with 4 GB of RAM and Intel Core 2 Duo E6550 @ 2.33 GHz, > it doesn't have a GPU. > Do you think it would run without problems > or would it be slow and laggy? Yes, I think it will not work - better t

Re: Could KDE work adequately on a PC with 4 GB of RAM and an Intel Core 2 Duo processor @ 2.33 GHz?

2021-03-09 Thread Weaver
On 10-03-2021 17:05, deloptes wrote: > Cmdte Alpha Tigre Z wrote: > >> I would like to install Debian 10 with the KDE Plasma task >> on a PC with 4 GB of RAM and Intel Core 2 Duo E6550 @ 2.33 GHz, >> it doesn't have a GPU. >> Do you think it would run without problems >> or would it be slow and la

Re: Hardware requirements between Debian 9 and 10

2021-03-09 Thread Felix Miata
Cmdte Alpha Tigre Z composed on 2021-03-09 19:22 (UTC-0400): >> My 2 cents worth, Deb10 with either Mate or xfce desktop. KDE/plasma is > great, but I find it slow to load on i7 with 8G ram and add. It has more > config options, but I've gotten over that. Oh, I don't boot often, but I've > grown i

Re: Use motherboard video-out or GPU???s

2021-03-09 Thread Pankaj Jangid
deloptes writes: >> But anyway, I have some spare GPUs from AMD (Radeon RX580) and am >> planning go via Ryzen way. So I guess, I will be able to utilize the >> things nicely now. Thanks. > > Keep in mind that AMD dropped support for their older card models. Hmm... that’s another research work f