Re: LEAN Debian install: Exploring task selection menu

2020-09-16 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Ma, 15 sep 20, 18:50:57, David Wright wrote: > On Tue 15 Sep 2020 at 21:23:20 (+0200), Fabrice BAUZAC-STEHLY wrote: > > > > Do you think the behaviour "without Recommends" should be an option > > presented to the user? > > No. On the basis of little evidence, I think naive users need software

Re: LEAN Debian install: Exploring task selection menu

2020-09-16 Thread Richard Owlett
On 09/15/2020 06:50 PM, David Wright wrote: On Tue 15 Sep 2020 at 21:23:20 (+0200), Fabrice BAUZAC-STEHLY wrote: Brian writes: On Mon 14 Sep 2020 at 08:12:50 -0400, Greg Wooledge wrote: The Debian desktop environment installs task-desktop. This package recommends desktop task packages. task-gn

Re: Two questions about LUKS in a file container

2020-09-16 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Sb, 12 sep 20, 15:00:57, Bob Weber wrote: > > Warning: If you forget to open and mount the file encrypted.img to > $HOME/Private/ and you copy files to $HOME/Private/ it will appear to work > correctly but they will not be encrypted!  If you don't move the files out > of $HOME/Private/ before y

Re: Buster with MATE without systemd

2020-09-16 Thread songbird
Marc Shapiro wrote: ... > If it is possible to do what I want, what is the easiest way to > accomplish it? i haven't tried that as i'm ok with what i have going but i'll be interested in what you find out. can you clone your current partition and then try it out and if it doesn't work then y

Towards a custom personalized Debian installer

2020-09-16 Thread Richard Owlett
The default of copying an ISO file to a device is inconvenient for my peculiar goals. I want an executable installer resident on an ext4 formatted partition. It must be possible. A testable installer preceded ISO format. I'm working thru https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch04s03, in pa

Re: Buster with MATE without systemd

2020-09-16 Thread Greg Wooledge
On Tue, Sep 15, 2020 at 07:28:34PM -0700, Marc Shapiro wrote: > I want sysvinit, not systemd Should be easy. > I ran 'aptitude install sysvinit-core'. > This gives me another screen full of text [...] > Now I get a full screen of packages to be removed. [...] I think the basic problem here is

Re: Buster with MATE without systemd

2020-09-16 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Ma, 15 sep 20, 19:28:34, Marc Shapiro wrote: > > I ran 'aptitude install sysvinit-core'.  This resulted in about 2 dozen > packages to be removed (some of which, I would have removed anyway) and a > similar number with unmet dependencies (mostly recommends).  I can live with > that and work aro

Re: LEAN Debian install: Exploring task selection menu

2020-09-16 Thread rhkramer
On Wednesday, September 16, 2020 04:54:57 AM Richard Owlett wrote: > Agreed. Where the menu says "Debian desktop environment" I would: > 1. remove the check-box. > 2. rephrase it as "Chose a Debian desktop environment". > 3. add a default check by GNOME. +1 -- that seems much clearer t

Re: Buster with MATE without systemd

2020-09-16 Thread Reco
Hi. On Tue, Sep 15, 2020 at 07:28:34PM -0700, Marc Shapiro wrote: > So, my question is:  Can I replace systemd with sysvint and still keep MATE? Exibit 1 (mate-core and systemd-sysv are installed): # apt install sysvinit-core systemd- ... The following packages will be REMOVED: caja db

Re: Buster with MATE without systemd

2020-09-16 Thread Andrew Cater
Looking at the Wikipedia entry for Devuan - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Devuan - it appears that the folks over there have had to modify precisely udisks2 and policykit. This is not a Devuan support list - but it looks as if stock Debian may not allow the switch once a full system is installed. I

Re: LEAN Debian install: Exploring task selection menu

2020-09-16 Thread Richard Owlett
On 09/16/2020 07:23 AM, rhkra...@gmail.com wrote: On Wednesday, September 16, 2020 04:54:57 AM Richard Owlett wrote: Agreed. Where the menu says "Debian desktop environment" I would: 1. remove the check-box. 2. rephrase it as "Chose a Debian desktop environment". 3. add a default

Re: Buster with MATE without systemd

2020-09-16 Thread Nito
On Tue, Sep 15, 2020 at 19:28:34 -0700, Marc Shapiro wrote: > I have a fresh install of Buster which is running MATE as the Desktop > Environment.  […]   The next thing that I > want to do is replace systemd with sysvinit. > > Now I get a full screen of packages to be removed.  Most are librarie

Re: Amazon Workspaces Linux Client?

2020-09-16 Thread Stefan Monnier
> Anyone here have any experience with Amazon Workspaces' Linux client? > https://clients.amazonworkspaces.com/ It looks like it's for Ubuntu > 18.4. Will Debian Buster be close enough? > I hesitate to install a binary blob from Amazon without first checking > here. Not sure what you're worrying a

Re: LEAN Debian install: Exploring task selection menu

2020-09-16 Thread Brian
On Wed 16 Sep 2020 at 08:23:50 -0400, rhkra...@gmail.com wrote: > On Wednesday, September 16, 2020 04:54:57 AM Richard Owlett wrote: > > Agreed. Where the menu says "Debian desktop environment" I would: > > 1. remove the check-box. A user now cannot install task-desktop alone. In other words,

Re: Securing local host of reverse SSH tunnel?

2020-09-16 Thread Alex Mestiashvili
On 9/15/20 8:53 PM, Fabrice BAUZAC-STEHLY wrote: > Nate Bargmann writes: > >> I am going to be deploying a Debian system at a location where I am >> unsure if I can make any inbound connection into that system. I am >> going to set up an SSH tunnel from that system to a host in my LAN. >> What I

Re: Buster with MATE without systemd

2020-09-16 Thread Patrick Bartek
On Tue, 15 Sep 2020 19:28:34 -0700 Marc Shapiro wrote: > I have a fresh install of Buster which is running MATE as the Desktop > Environment.  It has taken me until now to get it working, without > messing up my current Stretch install on the same machine.  The next > thing that I want to do i

Re: Buster with MATE without systemd

2020-09-16 Thread Greg Wooledge
On Wed, Sep 16, 2020 at 10:32:14AM -0700, Patrick Bartek wrote: > To make a long story short, after two or so weeks of research and > numerous failed trials, I came to the conclusion that systemd has > become too entrenched in the dependency tree of Buster to successfully > convert to systvinit. I

Re: Buster with MATE without systemd

2020-09-16 Thread Reco
Hi. On Wed, Sep 16, 2020 at 10:32:14AM -0700, Patrick Bartek wrote: > dbus, which is an xorg dependency, Not in buster: # apt policy dbus dbus: Installed: (none) Candidate: 1.12.20-0+deb10u1 Version table: 1.12.20-0+deb10u1 500 500 http://ftp.debian.org/debian buster/m

Re: Two questions about LUKS in a file container

2020-09-16 Thread David Christensen
On 2020-09-16 01:59, Andrei POPESCU wrote: On Sb, 12 sep 20, 15:00:57, Bob Weber wrote: Warning: If you forget to open and mount the file encrypted.img to $HOME/Private/ and you copy files to $HOME/Private/ it will appear to work correctly but they will not be encrypted!  If you don't move the

Re: Buster with MATE without systemd

2020-09-16 Thread Dan Ritter
Reco wrote: > > To make a long story short, after two or so weeks of research and > > numerous failed trials, I came to the conclusion that systemd has > > become too entrenched in the dependency tree of Buster to successfully > > convert to systvinit. > > But it is possible. Just forget about ru

Re: Buster with MATE without systemd

2020-09-16 Thread Reco
On Wed, Sep 16, 2020 at 03:41:41PM -0400, Dan Ritter wrote: > Reco wrote: > > > To make a long story short, after two or so weeks of research and > > > numerous failed trials, I came to the conclusion that systemd has > > > become too entrenched in the dependency tree of Buster to successfully > >

Re: Two questions about LUKS in a file container

2020-09-16 Thread David Wright
On Wed 16 Sep 2020 at 12:56:36 (-0700), David Christensen wrote: > On 2020-09-16 01:59, Andrei POPESCU wrote: > > On Sb, 12 sep 20, 15:00:57, Bob Weber wrote: > > > > > > Warning: If you forget to open and mount the file encrypted.img to > > > $HOME/Private/ and you copy files to $HOME/Private/ it

title bar can't show chinese

2020-09-16 Thread Long Wind
firefox can show chinese page except in title bar(though in each tab's window, title is correctly shown) i use twm and below is option in /etc/X11/twm/system.twmrc TitleFont "-adobe-helvetica-bold-r-normal--*-120-*-*-*-*-*-*" i delete line above, it doesn't help both stretch and buster have this

Re: Securing local host of reverse SSH tunnel?

2020-09-16 Thread Nate Bargmann
* On 2020 16 Sep 12:08 -0500, Alex Mestiashvili wrote: > btw, there is package authprogs, doing exactly that and not only. It seems to only be in Bullseye right now. It's not in Buster nor Buster backports. As the target computer is a Freedombox, it is running Buster so I will have to see if I

Re: Buster with MATE without systemd

2020-09-16 Thread Patrick Bartek
On Wed, 16 Sep 2020 13:52:15 -0400 Greg Wooledge wrote: > On Wed, Sep 16, 2020 at 10:32:14AM -0700, Patrick Bartek wrote: > > To make a long story short, after two or so weeks of research and > > numerous failed trials, I came to the conclusion that systemd has > > become too entrenched in the de

Re: title bar can't show chinese

2020-09-16 Thread David Wright
On Wed 16 Sep 2020 at 22:16:22 (+), Long Wind wrote: > firefox can show chinese page except in title bar(though in each tab's > window, title is correctly shown) Firefox is responsible for everything inside the window, but the window manager decorates the window frame. > i use twm and below

Re: LEAN Debian install: Exploring task selection menu

2020-09-16 Thread David Wright
On Wed 16 Sep 2020 at 03:54:57 (-0500), Richard Owlett wrote: > On 09/15/2020 06:50 PM, David Wright wrote: > > On Tue 15 Sep 2020 at 21:23:20 (+0200), Fabrice BAUZAC-STEHLY wrote: > > > Brian writes: > > > > On Mon 14 Sep 2020 at 08:12:50 -0400, Greg Wooledge wrote: > > > > > > > > The Debian des

Re: Buster with MATE without systemd

2020-09-16 Thread Patrick Bartek
On Wed, 16 Sep 2020 22:22:17 +0300 Reco wrote: > Hi. > > On Wed, Sep 16, 2020 at 10:32:14AM -0700, Patrick Bartek wrote: > > dbus, which is an xorg dependency, > > Not in buster: > > # apt policy dbus > dbus: > Installed: (none) > Candidate: 1.12.20-0+deb10u1 > Version table: >

Re: title bar can't show chinese

2020-09-16 Thread Long Wind
in stretch i delete TitleFont in system.twmrc and .twmrc at home now it can show chinese title Thank David anyway!

Re: Why does Debian not include POSIX-specified commands like bc and ed by default?

2020-09-16 Thread David Wright
On Sat 12 Sep 2020 at 07:41:19 (-0500), Nate Bargmann wrote: > * On 2020 12 Sep 02:06 -0500, Lone Learner wrote: > > POSIX.1-2001 Utilities[1] and POSIX.1-2008 Utilities[2] both list the > > commands "bc" and "ed" to be part of POSIX. > > > > Yet, in a brand new Debian installation (version 10 for

Re: Buster with MATE without systemd

2020-09-16 Thread David Wright
On Wed 16 Sep 2020 at 16:15:12 (-0700), Patrick Bartek wrote: > On Wed, 16 Sep 2020 13:52:15 -0400 > Greg Wooledge wrote: > > On Wed, Sep 16, 2020 at 10:32:14AM -0700, Patrick Bartek wrote: > > > To make a long story short, after two or so weeks of research and > > > numerous failed trials, I came

Re: title bar can't show chinese

2020-09-16 Thread riveravaldez
On 9/16/20, Long Wind wrote: > in stretch i delete TitleFont in system.twmrc and .twmrc at home > now it can show chinese title Maybe you want to inform twm developers so they can do something about this...? Best regards!

Re: title bar can't show chinese

2020-09-16 Thread Ben Caradoc-Davies
On 17/09/2020 10:16, Long Wind wrote: firefox can show chinese page except in title bar(though in each tab's window, title is correctly shown) i use twm and below is option in /etc/X11/twm/system.twmrc TitleFont "-adobe-helvetica-bold-r-normal--*-120-*-*-*-*-*-*" i delete line above, it doesn't

Re: title bar can't show chinese

2020-09-16 Thread David Wright
On Thu 17 Sep 2020 at 01:01:14 (+), Long Wind wrote: > in stretch i delete TitleFont in system.twmrc and .twmrc at home > now it can show chinese title > > Thank David anyway! I don't know which fonts you had installed on stretch, nor what you have in buster. Assuming that "delete TitleFo

Re: Towards a custom personalized Debian installer

2020-09-16 Thread David
On Wed, 16 Sep 2020 at 21:29, Richard Owlett wrote: > I want an executable installer resident on an ext4 formatted partition. > What reference am I missing? https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch04s04.en.html

Re: title bar can't show chinese

2020-09-16 Thread Long Wind
Thank Ben!  twm meets my needs. i've tried xfce for fedora, i'm not impressed. i think lxde is better than xfce.i can display chinese with English localeif i set locale to Chinese, English font become ugly

Re: Buster with MATE without systemd

2020-09-16 Thread Patrick Bartek
On Wed, 16 Sep 2020 19:55:45 -0500 David Wright wrote: > On Wed 16 Sep 2020 at 16:15:12 (-0700), Patrick Bartek wrote: > > On Wed, 16 Sep 2020 13:52:15 -0400 > > Greg Wooledge wrote: > > > On Wed, Sep 16, 2020 at 10:32:14AM -0700, Patrick Bartek wrote: > > > > To make a long story short, aft

Re: Buster with MATE without systemd

2020-09-16 Thread Marc Shapiro
On 9/16/20 5:55 PM, David Wright wrote: On Wed 16 Sep 2020 at 16:15:12 (-0700), Patrick Bartek wrote: On Wed, 16 Sep 2020 13:52:15 -0400 Greg Wooledge wrote: On Wed, Sep 16, 2020 at 10:32:14AM -0700, Patrick Bartek wrote: To make a long story short, after two or so weeks of research and numer

Re: Buster with MATE without systemd

2020-09-16 Thread Patrick Bartek
On Wed, 16 Sep 2020 19:44:03 -0700 Marc Shapiro wrote: > On 9/16/20 5:55 PM, David Wright wrote: > > On Wed 16 Sep 2020 at 16:15:12 (-0700), Patrick Bartek wrote: > >> On Wed, 16 Sep 2020 13:52:15 -0400 > >> Greg Wooledge wrote: > >>> On Wed, Sep 16, 2020 at 10:32:14AM -0700, Patrick Bartek

Re: Buster with MATE without systemd

2020-09-16 Thread Marc Shapiro
On 9/16/20 9:12 PM, Patrick Bartek wrote: On Wed, 16 Sep 2020 19:44:03 -0700 Marc Shapiro wrote: On 9/16/20 5:55 PM, David Wright wrote: On Wed 16 Sep 2020 at 16:15:12 (-0700), Patrick Bartek wrote: On Wed, 16 Sep 2020 13:52:15 -0400 Greg Wooledge wrote: On Wed, Sep 16, 2020 at 10:32:14A