Re: please do *never* use GitHub for free software, was Re: Salsa vs Github

2019-05-18 Thread Mark Allums
On 5/17/19 10:43 PM, Ben Finney wrote: Mark Allums writes: On 5/17/19 2:28 AM, Dominik George wrote: Please explain, in detail, why. https://mako.cc/writing/hill-free_tools.html https://www.adamhyde.net/another-good-reason-not-to-use-github/ https://www.mirbsd.org/permalinks/wlog-10_e2017030

Re: please do *never* use GitHub for free software, was Re: Salsa vs Github

2019-05-18 Thread Reco
Hi. On Sat, May 18, 2019 at 01:53:30AM -0500, Mark Allums wrote: > On 5/17/19 10:43 PM, Ben Finney wrote: > > Mark Allums writes: > > > > > On 5/17/19 2:28 AM, Dominik George wrote: > > > > > Please explain, in detail, why. > > > > https://mako.cc/writing/hill-free_tools.html > > > > htt

Re: Just had to reset/reboot again, total loss of keyboard & mouse

2019-05-18 Thread Gene Heskett
On Saturday 18 May 2019 12:52:40 am Felix Miata wrote: > Gene Heskett composed on 2019-05-17 23:16 (UTC-0400): > > The first thing I saw as it rebooted was some msgs about hid-common > > This was before recovering the journal on the boot drive. > > > > So I at least has a clue where the crash is o

Re: Just had to reset/reboot again, total loss of keyboard & mouse

2019-05-18 Thread Felix Miata
Gene Heskett composed on 2019-05-18 03:46 (UTC-0400): > Felix Miata wrote: >> Does /var/log/journal/ exist? > no, should it? It's the home of the optional persistent systemd journal. The option is configured simply by its presence or not. I resisted it for several years, but no more since ove

Re: please do *never* use GitHub for free software, was Re: Salsa vs Github

2019-05-18 Thread Dominik George
No. I, for one, do not care much who owns GitHub. Most of what's wrong there can be explained by stupidity or lack of care rather than being evil. And most companies seem to make one common mistake when it comes to diversity: They mistake diversity for caring for certain groups of people, often

Re: please do *never* use GitHub for free software, was Re: Salsa vs Github

2019-05-18 Thread Curt
On 2019-05-18, Richard Hector wrote: > > I'm not going to read them again, but IIRC one of them referred to the > GitHub ToC, which contained a bit about restricting accounts to those > over 13 years of age, and claiming this was due to US law (but not > specifying which law). https://en.wikipedi

Re: please do *never* use GitHub for free software, was Re: Salsa vs Github

2019-05-18 Thread Dominik George
Hi, >Why do these restrictions exist? The reason most social media services >use an >age limit of 13 or over is in part because of a law in the USA. The >COPPA law >or Children’s Online Privacy Protection Act states that any >organisations or >people operating online services (including social me

Re: please do *never* use GitHub for free software, was Re: Salsa vs Github

2019-05-18 Thread Alessandro Vesely
On Fri 17/May/2019 17:52:02 +0200 rhkramer wrote: > On Friday, May 17, 2019 03:28:51 AM Dominik George wrote: >> >> please do*never* use GitHub for free software >> > >> >Please explain, in detail, why. >> >> If discrimination against parts of the community is not enough for you, >> here's why:

Re: please do *never* use GitHub for free software, was Re: Salsa vs Github

2019-05-18 Thread Dominik George
>Yes, it does. Despite what others have said, there is a beneficial >patent >exhaustion effect. If software with patented algorithms is >distributed by the >patent owner, for example by Microsoft via GitHub, the patent is >exhausted. >https://fosdem.org/2019/schedule/event/patent_exhaustion/ Ye

Re: please do *never* use GitHub for free software, was Re: Salsa vs Github

2019-05-18 Thread Rob van der Putten
Hi there On 17/05/2019 09:28, Dominik George wrote: please do*never* use GitHub for free software Please explain, in detail, why. If discrimination against parts of the community is not enough for you, here's why: https://mako.cc/writing/hill-free_tools.html An overview; https://en.wi

Re: Low-Cost Tablet PC suitable for Debian

2019-05-18 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Mi, 12 dec 18, 13:00:32, Michelle Konzack wrote: Hi Michelle, > Forgotten one thing: > > It can be also an Open-Frame PanelPC, because I have BIG LiPoly cells > of 6Ah and 12Ah availlable and can also build my own housing. > > Adv.:I have Serial Ports, more USB, can have an attached heat

Re: please do *never* use GitHub for free software, was Re: Salsa vs Github

2019-05-18 Thread tomas
On Sat, May 18, 2019 at 10:51:40AM +0200, Dominik George wrote: > >Yes, it does. Despite what others have said, there is a beneficial > >patent > >exhaustion effect. If software with patented algorithms is > >distributed by the > >patent owner, for example by Microsoft via GitHub, the patent is

Re: Recommended debootsrap tutorials

2019-05-18 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Mi, 12 dec 18, 09:56:09, Richard Owlett wrote: > > As some of my interest was focused on finding out just how small a useful > Debian system could be, I was pointed towards debootstrap. I didn't have > needed background at that time. I've continued to pursue the literature > sporadically. > >

Re: please do *never* use GitHub for free software, was Re: Salsa vs Github

2019-05-18 Thread Brad Rogers
On Sat, 18 May 2019 10:27:43 +0200 Dominik George wrote: Hello Dominik, >trans people, or the disabled. They don't get that choosing a set of >people to include, instead of removing *all* barriers, is >discrimination rather than inclusion. The problem is that, in some countries, to combat disc

Re: Just had to reset/reboot again, total loss of keyboard & mouse

2019-05-18 Thread Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
On Fri, 17 May 2019, Gene Heskett wrote: > The first thing I saw as it rebooted was some msgs about hid-common > This was before recovering the journal on the boot drive. That's a core component of the Linux *kernel* HID (human interface device) subsystem. You need, for a bug report: 1. the *exa

[OT] ext4 corruption (was: Re: Just had to reset/reboot again, total loss of keyboard & mouse)

2019-05-18 Thread Reco
On Sat, May 18, 2019 at 09:16:34AM -0300, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh wrote: > Just don't use any kernel 5.1.x where x < 4: it can corrupt ext4 > filesystems. Can you share a bug number please? Reco

Rstudio Crashes.

2019-05-18 Thread Stephen P. Molnar
I have installed R-3.3.3 and RStudio-1.2.1335-amd on my Stretch platform. There were no installer complaints with any of the packages during the installation. RStudio opens without messages, but when I attempt downloading and installing an application there is a series of errors and RStudio c

Re: [OT] ext4 corruption (was: Re: Just had to reset/reboot again, total loss of keyboard & mouse)

2019-05-18 Thread Curt
On 2019-05-18, Reco wrote: > On Sat, May 18, 2019 at 09:16:34AM -0300, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh wrote: >> Just don't use any kernel 5.1.x where x < 4: it can corrupt ext4 >> filesystems. > > Can you share a bug number please? https://lkml.org/lkml/2019/5/11/74 Is that it? (All over my head.)

Re: please do *never* use GitHub for free software, was Re: Salsa vs Github

2019-05-18 Thread tomas
On Sat, May 18, 2019 at 11:52:50AM +0100, Brad Rogers wrote: > On Sat, 18 May 2019 10:27:43 +0200 > Dominik George wrote: > > Hello Dominik, > > >trans people, or the disabled. They don't get that choosing a set of > >people to include, instead of removing *all* barriers, is > >discrimination ra

Re: please do *never* use GitHub for free software, was Re: Salsa vs Github

2019-05-18 Thread Brad Rogers
On Sat, 18 May 2019 15:19:35 +0200 wrote: Hello to...@tuxteam.de, >I'm not sure I should interpret that as trolling, misunderstanding >about what inclusive policies mean or what. More like reductio ad absurdum. The point is, legislation cannot do away with discrimination. -- Regards _

Re: please do *never* use GitHub for free software, was Re: Salsa vs Github

2019-05-18 Thread tomas
On Sat, May 18, 2019 at 02:37:09PM +0100, Brad Rogers wrote: > On Sat, 18 May 2019 15:19:35 +0200 > wrote: > > Hello to...@tuxteam.de, > > >I'm not sure I should interpret that as trolling, misunderstanding > >about what inclusive policies mean or what. > > More like reductio ad absurdum. The

Re: buildd and buildbot

2019-05-18 Thread Cousin Stanley
Gene Heskett wrote: > I have now duplicated this same set of downloads and installs > on the rock64 > If you haven't already, you might consider a query concerning the particular package and the tools you are working with at the pine64/roc64 forum https://forum.pine6

Re: [OT] ext4 corruption (was: Re: Just had to reset/reboot again, total loss of keyboard & mouse)

2019-05-18 Thread Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
On Sat, 18 May 2019, Reco wrote: > On Sat, May 18, 2019 at 09:16:34AM -0300, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh wrote: > > Just don't use any kernel 5.1.x where x < 4: it can corrupt ext4 > > filesystems. > > Can you share a bug number please? On LKML. Just look at the ext4 patches in the stable queue

Re: [OT] ext4 corruption (was: Re: Just had to reset/reboot again, total loss of keyboard & mouse)

2019-05-18 Thread Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
On Sat, 18 May 2019, Curt wrote: > On 2019-05-18, Reco wrote: > > On Sat, May 18, 2019 at 09:16:34AM -0300, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh wrote: > >> Just don't use any kernel 5.1.x where x < 4: it can corrupt ext4 > >> filesystems. > > > > Can you share a bug number please? > > https://lkml.org/lk

Re: Just had to reset/reboot again, total loss of keyboard & mouse

2019-05-18 Thread Gene Heskett
On Saturday 18 May 2019 04:15:32 am Felix Miata wrote: > Gene Heskett composed on 2019-05-18 03:46 (UTC-0400): > > Felix Miata wrote: > >> Does /var/log/journal/ exist? > > > > no, should it? > > It's the home of the optional persistent systemd journal. The option > is configured simply by its pre

Re: please do *never* use GitHub for free software, was Re: Salsa vs Github

2019-05-18 Thread Gene Heskett
On Saturday 18 May 2019 04:27:43 am Dominik George wrote: > No. I, for one, do not care much who owns GitHub. > > Most of what's wrong there can be explained by stupidity or lack of > care rather than being evil. > > And most companies seem to make one common mistake when it comes to > diversity:

Re: Readme sanity check

2019-05-18 Thread Kushal Kumaran
bw writes: > In-Reply-To: <7d98acfd-19b9-ed61-362c-81e714484...@disroot.org> > > ... >>Would it be possible to someone have a read through... > > I like a good read, never heard of rocksndiamonds though. Could not find > the text. I used ff-esr, chromium with no javascript and links2. All I >

Re: Just had to reset/reboot again, total loss of keyboard & mouse

2019-05-18 Thread Gene Heskett
On Saturday 18 May 2019 08:16:34 am Henrique de Moraes Holschuh wrote: > On Fri, 17 May 2019, Gene Heskett wrote: > > The first thing I saw as it rebooted was some msgs about hid-common > > This was before recovering the journal on the boot drive. > > That's a core component of the Linux *kernel*

Re: Just had to reset/reboot again, total loss of keyboard & mouse

2019-05-18 Thread Gene Heskett
On Saturday 18 May 2019 08:16:34 am Henrique de Moraes Holschuh wrote: > On Fri, 17 May 2019, Gene Heskett wrote: > > The first thing I saw as it rebooted was some msgs about hid-common > > This was before recovering the journal on the boot drive. > > That's a core component of the Linux *kernel*

Re: buildd and buildbot

2019-05-18 Thread Gene Heskett
On Saturday 18 May 2019 09:27:38 am Cousin Stanley wrote: > Gene Heskett wrote: > > I have now duplicated this same set of downloads and installs > > on the rock64 > > > > If you haven't already, you might consider a query > concerning the particular package and the tools > you are

Re: Strange event handling problem with Xfce/LXDE - which pkg responsible?

2019-05-18 Thread Jonas Smedegaard
Quoting Michael Lange (2019-05-17 00:28:34) > On Wed, 15 May 2019 21:03:40 +0200 Jonas Smedegaard > wrote: > > (...) > > Please report the issue as a bug as best as you can - e.g. file it > > against either of those involved packages (or both, comma-separated). > > > > It is easy in Debian's b

Re: kmail and encrypted mails

2019-05-18 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Ma, 25 dec 18, 11:52:53, Nicolas George wrote: > Katnip (2018-12-25): > > you could try using protonmail which has pgp, it's free to start with. > > The problem is not the software, changing it will not help. In this particular case it would, since ProtonMail is a webmail and app with built-i

Re: best way to correct (possibly) outdated information on wiki.debian.org

2019-05-18 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Du, 30 dec 18, 17:30:24, Andrea Borgia wrote: > Il 30/12/18 17:09, Brian ha scritto: > > > > I am unfamiliar with the bts (?) method so cannot offer advice. > > I suspect the isse was the empty subject line but that error message was > a hell of a convoluted way to say so :) Just for the arc

Re: Strange event handling problem with Xfce/LXDE - which pkg responsible?

2019-05-18 Thread Michael Lange
Hi, On Sat, 18 May 2019 18:18:14 +0200 Jonas Smedegaard wrote: (...) > I notice that others contributed here on this list about that issue. > > Please consider re-posting such contributions to 929...@bugs.debian.org > to help keep such information tied to the bugreport. I think for now I incl

Re: Recommended debootsrap tutorials

2019-05-18 Thread Richard Owlett
On 05/18/2019 04:44 AM, Andrei POPESCU wrote: On Mi, 12 dec 18, 09:56:09, Richard Owlett wrote: As some of my interest was focused on finding out just how small a useful Debian system could be, I was pointed towards debootstrap. I didn't have needed background at that time. I've continued to pu

Re: Just had to reset/reboot again, total loss of keyboard & mouse

2019-05-18 Thread Felix Miata
Gene Heskett composed on 2019-05-18 11:18 (UTC-0400): > videobuf2_dvb 16384 1 cx88_dvb > dvb_core 122880 3 or51132,videobuf2_dvb,cx88_dvb > nouveau 1564672 4 > mxm_wmi16384 1 nouveau > wmi16384 2 mxm_wmi,nouveau > video

Re: Strange event handling problem with Xfce/LXDE - which pkg responsible?

2019-05-18 Thread Jonas Smedegaard
Quoting Michael Lange (2019-05-18 19:31:22) > On Sat, 18 May 2019 18:18:14 +0200 > Jonas Smedegaard wrote: > > (...) > > I notice that others contributed here on this list about that issue. > > > > Please consider re-posting such contributions to > > 929...@bugs.debian.org to help keep such inf

Re: best way to correct (possibly) outdated information on wiki.debian.org

2019-05-18 Thread Brian
On Sat 18 May 2019 at 20:22:54 +0300, Andrei POPESCU wrote: > On Du, 30 dec 18, 17:30:24, Andrea Borgia wrote: > > Il 30/12/18 17:09, Brian ha scritto: > > > > > > > I am unfamiliar with the bts (?) method so cannot offer advice. > > > > I suspect the isse was the empty subject line but that er

Re: buildd and buildbot

2019-05-18 Thread Cousin Stanley
Gene Heskett wrote: >> https://forum.pine64.org/forumdisplay.php > > Their object is to sell the board, support is very thin to zip. > > BTDT, sorry I bought 2 of them. > I only have a single rock64 board that I've used just for testing to see what they're all about and it's curently of

Re: Recommended debootsrap tutorials

2019-05-18 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Sb, 18 mai 19, 13:02:52, Richard Owlett wrote: > On 05/18/2019 04:44 AM, Andrei POPESCU wrote: > > > > https://salsa.debian.org/amp-guest/pine64/blob/master/pine64_buildimage > > Thank you. > I've never used Salsa. I've found https://wiki.debian.org/Salsa/Doc . > Any other suggested reading to

Re: best way to correct (possibly) outdated information on wiki.debian.org

2019-05-18 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Sb, 18 mai 19, 19:46:07, Brian wrote: > On Sat 18 May 2019 at 20:22:54 +0300, Andrei POPESCU wrote: > > I cannot find anything referring to this deprecation. Indeed, we see I meant the 'close' control command, not special address. See https://www.debian.org/Bugs/server-refcard and search for

No Books in print on Systemd?

2019-05-18 Thread Kenneth Parker
I know there are controversies on Systemd (including in Debian -- for example, Devuan), but I want to learn enough about it to (Horrors!) become an expert. And yes, I have found several online resources, including on the Debian Wiki. (I'm also reading https://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/

Re: No Books in print on Systemd?

2019-05-18 Thread Cindy Sue Causey
On 5/18/19, Kenneth Parker wrote: > I know there are controversies on Systemd (including in Debian -- for > example, Devuan), but I want to learn enough about it to (Horrors!) become > an expert. > > And yes, I have found several online resources, including on the Debian > Wiki. (I'm also read

major email problems

2019-05-18 Thread Glenn English
Buster, Stretch, Wheezy I know this is probably the wrong place to ask, but DU is full of knowledgeable folks... This morning I quit receiving IMAP email (Dovecot, Thunderbird). I installed and tried several other clients (iMail, Geary, Sylpheed) and none worked. They said things like my Authenti

email problems again

2019-05-18 Thread Glenn English
I installed mutt on the mail server, and it found mail that's been coming in and was stored properly by Postfix. It's gotta be something with Dovecot. -- Glenn English

Re: major email problems

2019-05-18 Thread Kushal Kumaran
Glenn English writes: > Buster, Stretch, Wheezy > > I know this is probably the wrong place to ask, but DU is full of > knowledgeable folks... > > This morning I quit receiving IMAP email (Dovecot, Thunderbird). I > installed and tried several other clients (iMail, Geary, Sylpheed) and > none wor

Re: major email problems

2019-05-18 Thread mick crane
On 2019-05-18 23:58, Glenn English wrote: I couldn't find anything in the Dovecot config files that addressed that, except a commented out line: "#disable_plaintext_auth = yes." But Dovecot seems to be tossing PLAINTEXT anyway. I didn't try deleting the line. Dunno why it suddenly stopped wor

Re: major email problems

2019-05-18 Thread Glenn English
On Sat, May 18, 2019 at 11:39 PM mick crane wrote: > Dunno why it suddenly stopped working. I don't either. > The commented out lines in the config file normally show the default. Oh, yeah. I knew that once :-) Copying the line, uncommenting it, and change it to 'no' made the fail take longer

Re: major email problems

2019-05-18 Thread Glenn English
On Sat, May 18, 2019 at 11:29 PM Kushal Kumaran wrote: > The documentation for the disable_plaintext_auth parameter seems like it > is exactly what you need to tweak. I cannot tell why you didn't run > into this earlier. I did. But what I did to try to get it to work, didn't. -- Glenn English

Re: major email problems

2019-05-18 Thread Glenn English
On Sat, May 18, 2019 at 11:39 PM mick crane wrote: > https://wiki.dovecot.org/TestInstallation That looks great -- first thing in the morning :-) -- Glenn English

Re: No Books in print on Systemd?

2019-05-18 Thread Nicholas Geovanis
IIRC the 2nd edition of Armstrong's Kernel Internals book has a chapter on it. But don't remember for sure. On Sat, May 18, 2019, 6:12 PM Cindy Sue Causey wrote: > On 5/18/19, Kenneth Parker wrote: > > I know there are controversies on Systemd (including in Debian -- for > > example, Devuan),

Re: please do *never* use GitHub for free software, was Re: Salsa vs Github

2019-05-18 Thread Ben Finney
Mark Allums writes: > The onus is not on me to provide reasons. I simply asked for more > info. You initially asked for reasons; reasons were given. You haven't responded to those, from what I can see, and AFAICT they answer the initial reuest adequately. As best I can tell, a reasonable person

Re: No Books in print on Systemd?

2019-05-18 Thread Kenneth Parker
On Sat, May 18, 2019 at 8:54 PM Nicholas Geovanis wrote: > IIRC the 2nd edition of Armstrong's Kernel Internals book has a chapter on > it. But don't remember for sure. > That one, I will check out for sure! (The last Kernel book I owned was about Version 2). Thanks! On Sat, May 18, 2019, 6:1

kvm errors with 4.9.0-9 kernel.

2019-05-18 Thread John J. Rushford
Greetings, I recently updated my debian 9.9 machine which installed the 4.9.0-9 kernel.  With this kernel,  the kvm_intel modules fail to load due to the following errors: kernel: [    6.234764] kvm_intel: Unknown symbol cpu_tlbstate (err -22) kernel: [    6.235463] kvm_intel: Unknown symbol

systemd WantedBy for X login

2019-05-18 Thread Aidan Gauland
I have a bunch of systemd user services for headless daemons that I want to run in both console and graphical logins, which all work fine, but I have one that I only want to start for graphical logins, and that works when I start it manually, but it is not being started when I log in, even though I

Re: pmount could perhaps be of greater utility?

2019-05-18 Thread David
On Tue, 7 May 2019 at 22:15, Greg Wooledge wrote: > On Tue, May 07, 2019 at 10:12:10AM +1000, David wrote: > > Maybe you would enjoy answering this question then? > > https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/help-bash/2019-05/msg0.html > > > > Because apparently no-one else has, hehe :D > > You did

Off topic: non zero error codes

2019-05-18 Thread Erik Josefsson
Good morning, I have wanted to ask for a long time about something I made up from hearsay whether it is remotely true. I hope that's OK. Is there is a shell/language where the returncode for TRUE is zero and that that is the opposite of how all other shells/languages are made? The argument

Re: major email problems

2019-05-18 Thread mick crane
On 2019-05-19 00:58, Glenn English wrote: On Sat, May 18, 2019 at 11:39 PM mick crane wrote: https://wiki.dovecot.org/TestInstallation That looks great -- first thing in the morning :-) which file are you editing ? I think how it works is that apt puts its files in /usr/share/dovecot and

Re: buildd and buildbot

2019-05-18 Thread Gene Heskett
On Saturday 18 May 2019 03:40:54 pm Cousin Stanley wrote: > Gene Heskett wrote: > >> https://forum.pine64.org/forumdisplay.php > > > > Their object is to sell the board, support is very thin to zip. > > > > BTDT, sorry I bought 2 of them. > > I only have a single rock64 board that I've used >

PDFtoMusic installation

2019-05-18 Thread Rodolfo Medina
Hi all. Here: http://www.myriad-online.com/en/download/linux.htm?a=pdftomusicpro-1.6.5.0.run&b=PDFtoMusic%20Pro&i=pdftomusicproicon.png&v=1.6.5 I downloaded and installed an interesting pdftomusicpro-1.6.5.0.run but can't make it run... When I try to launch the binary with: $ ./PDFtoMusic\

Re: email problems again

2019-05-18 Thread Reco
Hi. On Sat, May 18, 2019 at 11:13:26PM +, Glenn English wrote: > I installed mutt on the mail server, and it found mail that's been > coming in and was stored properly by Postfix. > > It's gotta be something with Dovecot. /etc/dovecot/conf.d/10-auth.conf says to this: Note that if t

Re: systemd WantedBy for X login

2019-05-18 Thread Sven Joachim
On 2019-05-19 15:58 +1200, Aidan Gauland wrote: > I have a bunch of systemd user services for headless daemons that I want > to run in both console and graphical logins, which all work fine, but I > have one that I only want to start for graphical logins, and that works > when I start it manually,