Re: is google earth safe to install?

2015-09-01 Thread rlharris
On Tue, September 1, 2015 12:41 am, rlhar...@oplink.net wrote: > To facilitate our search for property and discussion over the telephone > of various properties, my client wishes me to install google earth. > > I see that Debian has a google earth package. > > In view of our recent discussion "lapt

Re: is google earth safe to install?

2015-09-01 Thread Gene Heskett
On Tuesday 01 September 2015 01:41:20 rlhar...@oplink.net wrote: > To facilitate our search for property and discussion over the > telephone of various properties, my client wishes me to install google > earth. > > I see that Debian has a google earth package. > > In view of our recent discussion

Re: systemd-logind emitting messages to the terminal upon login

2015-09-01 Thread Martin Read
On 01/09/15 04:07, The Wanderer wrote: I believe that's roughly how it works, yes - and I believe rsyslog is intentionally set up that way, so that various system messages which would appear in the active console if the journal were not present will still appear there. It's just that now there ar

Re: Another system management tool to disappear.

2015-09-01 Thread tomas
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Mon, Aug 31, 2015 at 11:36:26AM -0400, The Wanderer wrote: > On 2015-08-31 at 10:49, Christian Seiler wrote: > > > On 08/31/2015 02:33 PM, The Wanderer wrote: [...] > The Subject line is an overstatement, yes, but it's not an entirely > baseless

Re: How to read mail addressed to "root" from "root" user?

2015-09-01 Thread Wouter Verhelst
(this isn't about Debian development anymore. I've added a Cc to debian-user; if you have any follow-up questions, please drop the -devel Cc). On Mon, Aug 31, 2015 at 08:44:04PM +0300, Jayson Willson wrote: > Thank you very much for your answer! > Could you please tell me, why is it recommended to

HW error

2015-09-01 Thread a a
Hello After checking randomly dmesg i have found following error on my debian system. [18299.816097] [Hardware Error]: CPU:0 MC4_STATUS[-|CE|MiscV|-|AddrV|-|-|CECC]: 0x9c64c0b0011c017b [18299.816108] [Hardware Error]: MC4_ADDR: 0x00011ef37840 [18299.816113] [Hardware Error]: Northbridge Error

/var/lib/apt/lists/partial fills entire partition

2015-09-01 Thread Tony van der Hoff
On this jessie box I have started to see /var/lib/apt/lists/partial gradually filling the entire 2.7 GiB /var partition with hundreds of smallish files. Google show some results for a similar, but not identical problem for Ubuntu but I can't find anything matching this. This problem has developed

Re: /var/lib/apt/lists/partial fills entire partition

2015-09-01 Thread Elimar Riesebieter
* Tony van der Hoff [2015-09-01 14:17 +0200]: > On this jessie box I have started to see /var/lib/apt/lists/partial > gradually filling the entire 2.7 GiB /var partition with hundreds of > smallish files. Google show some results for a similar, but not > identical problem for Ubuntu but I can't f

Re: is google earth safe to install?

2015-09-01 Thread Richard Owlett
Gene Heskett wrote: On Tuesday 01 September 2015 01:41:20 rlhar...@oplink.net wrote: To facilitate our search for property and discussion over the telephone of various properties, my client wishes me to install google earth.[SNIP] No clue about safety, but its unsupported and doesn't work at a

Re: Another system management tool to disappear.

2015-09-01 Thread The Wanderer
On 2015-08-31 at 13:25, David Wright wrote: > Quoting The Wanderer (wande...@fastmail.fm): > >> Debian could not have chosen systemd if Lennart had not written it, >> and Debian could not have chosen systemd-in-its-current-form if >> Lennart had not designed it in that form, so some layer of the

Re: Another system management tool to disappear.

2015-09-01 Thread The Wanderer
On 2015-09-01 at 07:38, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > On Mon, Aug 31, 2015 at 11:36:26AM -0400, The Wanderer wrote: > >> On 2015-08-31 at 10:49, Christian Seiler wrote: >> >>> On 08/31/2015 02:33 PM, The Wanderer wrote: > > [...] > >> The Subject line is an overstatement, yes, but it's not an >> e

Re: systemd-logind emitting messages to the terminal upon login

2015-09-01 Thread The Wanderer
On 2015-09-01 at 05:15, Martin Read wrote: > On 01/09/15 04:07, The Wanderer wrote: > >> I believe that's roughly how it works, yes - and I believe rsyslog >> is intentionally set up that way, so that various system messages >> which would appear in the active console if the journal were not >> p

Re: Another system management tool to disappear.

2015-09-01 Thread Michael Biebl
Am 01.09.2015 um 15:08 schrieb The Wanderer: > [ 123.134567] systemd-logind[1234]: Failed to start user service: > Unknown unit: user@1000.service > Note that this is on a system with only some parts of "the systemd > suite" present, and with systemd _not_ running as PID1. (I apologize for > no

Re: Another system management tool to disappear.

2015-09-01 Thread tomas
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Tue, Sep 01, 2015 at 09:16:10AM -0400, The Wanderer wrote: > On 2015-09-01 at 07:38, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > > > On Mon, Aug 31, 2015 at 11:36:26AM -0400, The Wanderer wrote: [...] > > I ask because I'd like myself and I'd like to get an idea w

Re: Another system management tool to disappear.

2015-09-01 Thread The Wanderer
On 2015-09-01 at 09:58, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > On Tue, Sep 01, 2015 at 09:16:10AM -0400, The Wanderer wrote: > >> On 2015-09-01 at 07:38, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > >>> On Mon, Aug 31, 2015 at 11:36:26AM -0400, The Wanderer wrote: > > [...] > >>> I ask because I'd like myself and I'd like to

Re: Another system management tool to disappear.

2015-09-01 Thread Joel Rees
On Tue, Sep 1, 2015 at 5:03 AM, T.J. Duchene wrote: > > On 08/31/2015 05:14 AM, Joel Rees wrote: >> >> Actually, there's a couple or three questions going begging here, that >> I'd like to ask: > > Sure, ask away! =) > >> >> (1) TJ, have you ever built LFS? Or, even better, built a running OS >> o

Re: Another system management tool to disappear.

2015-09-01 Thread tomas
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Tue, Sep 01, 2015 at 10:07:28AM -0400, The Wanderer wrote: > On 2015-09-01 at 09:58, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: [...] > > As long as "we" use up our spare cycles bickering, nothing will get > > done :-) > > I actually use up most of my "spare cycles

Re: /var/lib/apt/lists/partial fills entire partition

2015-09-01 Thread David Wright
Quoting Elimar Riesebieter (riese...@lxtec.de): > * Tony van der Hoff [2015-09-01 14:17 +0200]: > > > On this jessie box I have started to see /var/lib/apt/lists/partial > > gradually filling the entire 2.7 GiB /var partition with hundreds of > > smallish files. Google show some results for a sim

Re: systemd-logind emitting messages to the terminal upon login

2015-09-01 Thread The Wanderer
(It just occurred to me that I posted the previous set of partial "what's happening" descriptions under the unchanged Subject line of the overall thread. Oops.) On 2015-09-01 at 09:49, Michael Biebl wrote: > Am 01.09.2015 um 15:08 schrieb The Wanderer: > >> [ 123.134567] systemd-logind[1234]: F

Re: logrotate permissions problem

2015-09-01 Thread D. R. Evans
D. R. Evans wrote on 08/31/2015 01:09 PM: >> The solution of this problem should be as simple as: >> >> chgrp adm /var/log/polipo/pol* >> rm -f /var/log/polipo/polipo.log.1.gz > > OK; I have done that, and will let you know tomorrow whether the problem has > gone away. > Yep; no notification fr

Re: /var/lib/apt/lists/partial fills entire partition

2015-09-01 Thread Cindy-Sue Causey
On 9/1/15, Elimar Riesebieter wrote: > * Tony van der Hoff [2015-09-01 14:17 +0200]: > >> On this jessie box I have started to see /var/lib/apt/lists/partial >> gradually filling the entire 2.7 GiB /var partition with hundreds of >> smallish files. Google show some results for a similar, but not

Re: is google earth safe to install?

2015-09-01 Thread Darac Marjal
On Tue, Sep 01, 2015 at 03:31:22AM -0500, rlhar...@oplink.net wrote: > On Tue, September 1, 2015 12:41 am, rlhar...@oplink.net wrote: > > To facilitate our search for property and discussion over the telephone > > of various properties, my client wishes me to install google earth. > > > > I see tha

Re: is google earth safe to install?

2015-09-01 Thread Gene Heskett
On Tuesday 01 September 2015 09:08:19 Richard Owlett wrote: > Gene Heskett wrote: > > On Tuesday 01 September 2015 01:41:20 rlhar...@oplink.net wrote: > >> To facilitate our search for property and discussion over the > >> telephone of various properties, my client wishes me to install > >> google

kde 5 display problem

2015-09-01 Thread Nick Zarkadas
Hi all. After upgrade to kde5 my desktop doesn't display icons anymore All icons became black (see the attachments for details or click https://www.dropbox.com/s/gyr3bzuu4mhyfyr/snapshot1_desktop_kde_5_with_dolphin.png?dl=0 and https://www.dropbox.com/s/1azehqpu2evry5j/snapshot1_desktop_kde_5.png?d

Re: kde 5 display problem

2015-09-01 Thread Hans
Am Dienstag, 1. September 2015, 17:52:27 schrieb Nick Zarkadas: > Hi all. > After upgrade to kde5 my desktop doesn't display icons anymore > All icons became black (see the attachments for details or click > https://www.dropbox.com/s/gyr3bzuu4mhyfyr/snapshot1_desktop_kde_5_with_dolph > in.png?dl=0

Re: /var/lib/apt/lists/partial fills entire partition

2015-09-01 Thread Tony van der Hoff
On 01/09/15 16:43, Cindy-Sue Causey wrote: > On 9/1/15, Elimar Riesebieter wrote: >> * Tony van der Hoff [2015-09-01 14:17 +0200]: >> >>> On this jessie box I have started to see /var/lib/apt/lists/partial >>> gradually filling the entire 2.7 GiB /var partition with hundreds of >>> smallish files

Re: Another system management tool to disappear.

2015-09-01 Thread Ric Moore
On 08/31/2015 08:43 AM, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Mon, Aug 31, 2015 at 08:33:40AM -0400, The Wanderer wrote: On 2015-08-31 at 03:47, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: Slinging mud at people never helps: Lennart Poettering isn't out there "to get us" -- he

Re: How to read mail addressed to "root" from "root" user?

2015-09-01 Thread Jayson Willson
Thank you, now I see. I will forward root's mail to user, because security is important. Yours sincerely, Jayson Willson 01.09.2015 13:43, Wouter Verhelst пишет: (this isn't about Debian development anymore. I've added a Cc to debian-user; if you have any follow-up questions, please drop the

Re: Another system management tool to disappear.

2015-09-01 Thread Ric Moore
On 08/31/2015 11:36 AM, The Wanderer wrote: One, I said that he "_does_ seem to [...] have zero sympathy or respect in practice for" those things. How would that be different from "he does seem to prefer underage girls"? :0 Ric -- My father, Victor Moore (Vic) used to say: "There are two Gr

Re: /var/lib/apt/lists/partial fills entire partition

2015-09-01 Thread Elimar Riesebieter
* Tony van der Hoff [2015-09-01 17:47 +0200]: [...] [...] > Running apt-get update manually showed an error: > Err http://ftp.uk.debian.org jessie-backports/non-free amd64 Packages > and the directory started filling. deb http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian jessie-backports non-free works flawlesl

Getting a serial console to work on Jessie

2015-09-01 Thread David Parker
Hello, I have a bunch of Debian Wheezy servers set up with the console available via the serial port. Generally, I just add this line to /etc/inittab: co:2345:respawn:/sbin/getty -L ttyS0 9600 vt102 And then run "kill -HUP 1" and the serial console works (I could also use "telinit q" or "in

HOWTO reread boot and login messages

2015-09-01 Thread David Wright
Loading, please wait... fsck from util-linux 2.25.2 john01: clean, 336746/977280 files, 2768454/3905795 blocks Welcome to Debian GNU/Linux 8 (jessie)! [ OK ] Reached target Remote File Systems (Pre). [ ... lots of lines ... ] [ OK ] Started LSB: set CPUFreq kerne

Re: logrotate permissions problem

2015-09-01 Thread Reco
Hi. On Tue, 01 Sep 2015 08:27:39 -0600 "D. R. Evans" wrote: > D. R. Evans wrote on 08/31/2015 01:09 PM: > > >> The solution of this problem should be as simple as: > >> > >> chgrp adm /var/log/polipo/pol* > >> rm -f /var/log/polipo/polipo.log.1.gz > > > > OK; I have done that, and will let yo

Re: Getting a serial console to work on Jessie

2015-09-01 Thread Michael Biebl
Am 01.09.2015 um 18:13 schrieb David Parker: > And still not in the same way that they appear on Wheezy ("/sbin/getty > 38400 tty1", etc.). If I add the line for the serial console to > /etc/inittab and reload the init deamon, or even reboot the PC, it simply > does nothing. No getty process show

Re: is google earth safe to install?

2015-09-01 Thread rlharris
On Tue, September 1, 2015 9:47 am, Darac Marjal wrote: > In that case, consider "marble", which provides a similar "virtual > globe" and is LGPL 2.1+ licensed. I did install marble. Perhaps my installation is not correctly configured, but after seeing the detailed photograph of "Tour Eiffel" on t

Re: Another system management tool to disappear.

2015-09-01 Thread T.J. Duchene
On 09/01/2015 09:11 AM, Joel Rees wrote: I'm asking if you have built an OS from scratch, including the userland tools and apps, for a specific, non-trivial purpose. That depends. If you consider using LFS to be the only answer you will accept, then "No", since as I said, I have never used

Re: kde 5 display problem

2015-09-01 Thread Siard
Hans wrote: > At the moment the greatest problem is, that kwin-x11 and its > dependencies are deinstalled at upgrade, as well as plasma-desktop. My observation is that this has been solved by now. In stretch, I could re-install kwin-x11 and its dependency, kwin-common, and plasma-desktop, without

Re: is google earth safe to install?

2015-09-01 Thread Sven Arvidsson
On Tue, 2015-09-01 at 13:09 -0500, rlhar...@oplink.net wrote: > On Tue, September 1, 2015 9:47 am, Darac Marjal wrote: > > In that case, consider "marble", which provides a similar "virtual > > globe" and is LGPL 2.1+ licensed. > > I did install marble. Perhaps my installation is not correctly >

Re: Getting a serial console to work on Jessie

2015-09-01 Thread Michael Biebl
Am 01.09.2015 um 19:31 schrieb David Parker: > Thanks, Michael! That was indeed the problem. I > copied /lib/systemd/system/serial-getty@.service to /etc/systemd/system, > edited it to use the correct baud rate and terminal type, and then ran > "systsystemctl start serial-getty@ttyS0.service" an

Re: Another system management tool to disappear.

2015-09-01 Thread David Wright
Quoting The Wanderer (wande...@fastmail.fm): > On 2015-08-31 at 13:25, David Wright wrote: > > Here's a > > comparison of my (admittedly rather noisy) VC login on two systems: > > > > west!david 12:22:14 ~ $ diff -U0 VC-login-*[ey] > > --- VC-login-jessie 2015-08-31 11:34:23.476573261 -0500

Re: is google earth safe to install?

2015-09-01 Thread Gene Heskett
On Tuesday 01 September 2015 14:09:39 rlhar...@oplink.net wrote: > On Tue, September 1, 2015 9:47 am, Darac Marjal wrote: > > In that case, consider "marble", which provides a similar "virtual > > globe" and is LGPL 2.1+ licensed. > > I did install marble. Perhaps my installation is not correctly

Re: Getting a serial console to work on Jessie

2015-09-01 Thread Sven Hartge
Michael Biebl wrote: > As for overriding the system provided service files, I usually recommend > to use drop-ins, i.e. creating a > /etc/systemd/system/foo.service.d/my_custom_config.conf > This way you only need to override what you are actually interested in. Users of Testing/Stretch or Unsta

Re: is google earth safe to install?

2015-09-01 Thread tomas
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Tue, Sep 01, 2015 at 03:47:53PM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote: > On Tuesday 01 September 2015 14:09:39 rlhar...@oplink.net wrote: > > > On Tue, September 1, 2015 9:47 am, Darac Marjal wrote: > > > In that case, consider "marble", which provides a simil

Re: Another system management tool to disappear.

2015-09-01 Thread T. J. Duchene
Sorry had an issue that caused a premature post before I could finish it. On Tue, 1 Sep 2015 23:11:51 +0900 Joel Rees wrote: > > There is a difference between what I asked and what you're telling me. > > Simply tweaking and recompiling debian or redhat is not what I'm > asking about, althou

qdbus commands in 64-bit jessie?

2015-09-01 Thread D. R. Evans
In wheezy, the following command worked correctly: qdbus org.kde.yakuake /yakuake/sessions runCommandInTerminal $SESSION_ID "tmux" Following my upgrade to jessie, the same command produces: qdbus: could not exec '/usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/qt4/bin/qdbus': No such file or directory

Dell brightness issue

2015-09-01 Thread Clive Akem
I have the same issue that when changing brightness, everything runs slowly even after restarting. Have you managed to solve it? Thanks Clive

Re: Getting a serial console to work on Jessie

2015-09-01 Thread Stephen Powell
On Tue, 01 Sep 2015 12:13:56 -0400 (EDT), David Parker wrote: > > I have a bunch of Debian Wheezy servers set up with the console available > via the serial port. Generally, I just add this line to /etc/inittab: > ... > That's all fine and good, but when I try to do this on my desktop PC > runnin

Re: is google earth safe to install?

2015-09-01 Thread Ric Moore
On 09/01/2015 03:53 PM, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Tue, Sep 01, 2015 at 03:47:53PM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote: On Tuesday 01 September 2015 14:09:39 rlhar...@oplink.net wrote: On Tue, September 1, 2015 9:47 am, Darac Marjal wrote: In that case, co

Re: is google earth safe to install?

2015-09-01 Thread rlharris
I keep forgetting about WINE -- likely because I never have used WINE. >From the WINE HQ web site, it appears that WINE may be a reasonable solution, and even a way to circumvent the problems of running the intel code on an amd machine. https://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=applicati

Re: is google earth safe to install?

2015-09-01 Thread Gary Roach
On 09/01/2015 04:22 PM, rlhar...@oplink.net wrote: I keep forgetting about WINE -- likely because I never have used WINE. >From the WINE HQ web site, it appears that WINE may be a reasonable solution, and even a way to circumvent the problems of running the intel code on an amd machine. https:

Re: Another system management tool to disappear.

2015-09-01 Thread Joel Rees
2015/09/02 1:04 "Ric Moore" : > > On 08/31/2015 11:36 AM, The Wanderer wrote: > >> One, I said that he "_does_ seem to [...] have zero sympathy or respect >> in practice for" those things. > > > How would that be different from "he does seem to prefer underage girls"? :0 Ric Are you really trying

Re: Suspend-sedation Problem

2015-09-01 Thread Eirik Schwenke
Hi, I see there's been some recent changes to the https://wiki.debian.org/SystemdSuspendSedation article. First a change to move from a (my) dumb string check against "/usr/sbin/rtcwake --mode show" output to avoid issues with l10n (while there doesn't appear to be translations for Norwegian,

Re: No-one working on 'su' has stated that they will stop.

2015-09-01 Thread Joel Rees
2015/09/01 1:27 "Jonathan de Boyne Pollard" < j.deboynepollard-newsgro...@ntlworld.com>: > > Christian Seiler: >> >> Note that _nobody_ working on su, neither upstream nor maintaining it in distributions, has claimed that they will stop. > > > Indeed. The implication that su is being replaced has,