Re: Personal Recommendations for Free List Compatible Email Service

2014-04-25 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Thu, 2014-04-24 at 23:33 -0700, Patrick Bartek wrote: > On Thu, 24 Apr 2014, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > > > On Thu, 2014-04-24 at 10:14 -0700, Patrick Bartek wrote: > > > On Thu, 24 Apr 2014, Jochen Spieker wrote: > > > > > > > Patrick Bartek: > > > > > > > > > > I don't need lots of storage or bi

Re: Personal Recommendations for Free List Compatible Email Service

2014-04-25 Thread Stan Hoeppner
On 4/25/2014 1:02 AM, Brad Rogers wrote: > On Thu, 24 Apr 2014 17:52:13 -0500 > Stan Hoeppner wrote: > > Hello Stan, > >> You're asking specifically about an account for list mail only in this >> thread. None of these concerns apply. > > Correct me if I'm wrong (I dare you), but I don't think

Re: install cinnamon

2014-04-25 Thread Stephen Allen
On Thu, Apr 24, 2014 at 01:40:11PM +0200, Jochen Spieker wrote: > Stephen Allen: > > On Tue, Apr 22, 2014 at 02:58:28PM +0100, Brian wrote: > >> On Tue 22 Apr 2014 at 11:48:11 +0100, Brian wrote: > >> > >>> It would be interesting to know whether this is successful for you. > >> > >> On the segfa

Re: Personal Recommendations for Free List Compatible Email Service

2014-04-25 Thread Brad Rogers
On Fri, 25 Apr 2014 02:03:44 -0500 Stan Hoeppner wrote: Hello Stan, >I made a simple common sense observation that applies to anyone using a Some people (me for one) have over 100 mailing list subscriptions. Using an ISP provided email address to run that lot is asinine. >One can change a list

Re: Personal Recommendations for Free List Compatible Email Service

2014-04-25 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Fri, 2014-04-25 at 11:43 +0100, Brad Rogers wrote: > On Fri, 25 Apr 2014 02:03:44 -0500 > Stan Hoeppner wrote: > > Hello Stan, > > >I made a simple common sense observation that applies to anyone using a > > Some people (me for one) have over 100 mailing list subscriptions. > Using an ISP pr

Re: Bug #693630: Dconf unknown method 'Change'

2014-04-25 Thread berenger . morel
Le 24.04.2014 11:53, James Collier a écrit : Hi Berenger (and all), Thanks very much for the replies. My installed dconf packages and versions: james@james-turing:~$ apt-cache search dconf | grep dconf dconf-cli - simple configuration storage system - utilities dconf-editor - simple configurati

Re: Bug #693630: Dconf unknown method 'Change'

2014-04-25 Thread berenger . morel
Le 25.04.2014 14:01, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org a écrit : Le 24.04.2014 11:53, James Collier a écrit : Hi Berenger (and all), Thanks very much for the replies. My installed dconf packages and versions: james@james-turing:~$ apt-cache search dconf | grep dconf dconf-cli - simple configurati

Re: Systemd

2014-04-25 Thread berenger . morel
Le 25.04.2014 06:29, Ralf Mardorf a écrit : On Thu, 2014-04-24 at 23:32 -0400, staticsafe wrote: > Have you read this stupid things? At least the argument regarding to journalctl isn't stupid. Making a log file binary indeed is the most worse the systemd developers could do. You know, th

Re: Systemd

2014-04-25 Thread Joel Rees
My initial reaction was, what happened that would induce Poettering to have sock puppets post attempts at poisoning the well like this? On Fri, Apr 25, 2014 at 8:15 AM, wrote: > Hello list: > Have you read this stupid things? > Then I thought, maybe it's an attempt to funnel readers to a blog p

Re: In Squeeze replacing python version 2.6.6-13~bpo60+1 with version 2.6.6-3+squeeze7

2014-04-25 Thread Brian
On Thu 24 Apr 2014 at 12:55:26 -0400, Ken Heard wrote: > I am consequently stuck with python 2.6.6-13~bpo60+1 which seems to > work with everything using python, but hplip wants the "pure" version > of python rather than the "unofficial" version provided by > deb.mozilla.net. So I am back to Andr

Re: In Squeeze replacing python version 2.6.6-13~bpo60+1 with version 2.6.6-3+squeeze7

2014-04-25 Thread Brian
On Wed 23 Apr 2014 at 19:29:59 +0100, Brian wrote: > On Wed 23 Apr 2014 at 10:45:13 -0400, Ken Heard wrote: > > > On 2014-04-23 05:08, Brian wrote: > > > > > > That can be done using http://localhost:631 > > > > I tried this option but could not find a ppd file for the particular > > printer me

Re: Systemd

2014-04-25 Thread Chris Angelico
On Fri, Apr 25, 2014 at 11:31 PM, Joel Rees wrote: > > We can expect a fork in the kernel fairly soon, about as soon as certain > leaders in the community are confident they can make the current main branch > the meaningless one going forward. I'm a user, not a kernel dev, and definitely not some

Re: Systemd

2014-04-25 Thread berenger . morel
Le 25.04.2014 15:59, Chris Angelico a écrit : On Fri, Apr 25, 2014 at 11:31 PM, Joel Rees wrote: We can expect a fork in the kernel fairly soon, about as soon as certain leaders in the community are confident they can make the current main branch the meaningless one going forward. I'm a

Re: Systemd

2014-04-25 Thread Ólafur Jens Sigurðsson
On Fri, Apr 25, 2014 at 04:45:09PM +0200, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote: > > > My opinion is that major distributions will not change every day their init > systems, so I guess systemd administration can be reliably learned. > > That some users like this, or not, do not change the fact tha

Re: Personal Recommendations for Free List Compatible Email Service

2014-04-25 Thread Patrick Bartek
On Fri, 25 Apr 2014, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > On Thu, 2014-04-24 at 23:33 -0700, Patrick Bartek wrote: > > On Thu, 24 Apr 2014, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > > > > > On Thu, 2014-04-24 at 10:14 -0700, Patrick Bartek wrote: > > > > On Thu, 24 Apr 2014, Jochen Spieker wrote: > > > > > > > > > Patrick Bartek:

Re: Systemd

2014-04-25 Thread Chris Angelico
On Sat, Apr 26, 2014 at 1:21 AM, Ólafur Jens Sigurðsson wrote: > It would be nice to see a comparison of features without any kind of > judgement of each merit or con. > > As soon as people start saying "this feature is better then that one" > that's when the cat gets loose I think, no trolling ne

dist-upgrade installs new package, lists it as autoremove candidate

2014-04-25 Thread The Wanderer
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 I'm presently seeing a rather odd behavior, in two parts. My system currently has no installed packages which are considered candidates for autoremoval: root@apologia:/home/wanderer# apt-get autoremove Reading package lists... Done Buildin

Re: System

2014-04-25 Thread Brian
On Sat 26 Apr 2014 at 02:45:21 +1000, Chris Angelico wrote: > Let the corrections and additions begin! Please, no! If you've read all of the posts to #727708 https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=727708 carefully you'll find there is probably nothing original to say. We know the

Re: System

2014-04-25 Thread Chris Angelico
On Sat, Apr 26, 2014 at 3:30 AM, Brian wrote: > Please, no! If you've read all of the posts to #727708 > > https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=727708 > > carefully you'll find there is probably nothing original to say. ... and if I read all of the seven thousand posts there, I won

Re: System

2014-04-25 Thread Brian
On Sat 26 Apr 2014 at 03:36:09 +1000, Chris Angelico wrote: > On Sat, Apr 26, 2014 at 3:30 AM, Brian wrote: > > Please, no! If you've read all of the posts to #727708 > > > > https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=727708 > > > > carefully you'll find there is probably nothing origina

Re: Systemd

2014-04-25 Thread Steve Litt
On Fri, 25 Apr 2014 14:26:43 +0200 berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote: > > > Le 25.04.2014 06:29, Ralf Mardorf a écrit : > > On Thu, 2014-04-24 at 23:32 -0400, staticsafe wrote: > >> > Have you read this stupid things? > > > > At least the argument regarding to journalctl isn't stupid. Making >

Re: Systemd

2014-04-25 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Fri, 2014-04-25 at 23:59 +1000, Chris Angelico wrote: > Please, can someone explain - without too much on the politics, if > that's possible - whether it's right for me to invest time into > learning systemd? Systemd is the future. I'm using it with Arch Linux. For my Debian install I enjoy Sys

Re: System

2014-04-25 Thread Rob van der Putten
Hi there Brian wrote: Please, no! If you've read all of the posts to #727708 https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=727708 carefully you'll find there is probably nothing original to say. We know the default init system for Jessie will be systemd. If memebers of this list are

Re: Systemd

2014-04-25 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Fri, 2014-04-25 at 15:12 -0400, Steve Litt wrote: > Kinda seems like the (de) evolution of cars, doesn't it? As a kid, > I could tune up my beater flat head 6 1959 Plymouth in 20 minutes with > a 10 inch adjustable and a gapping tool. With today's cars, I'm lucky > to be able to change the air

Re: Systemd

2014-04-25 Thread Tom Furie
On Fri, Apr 25, 2014 at 09:49:18PM +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > On Fri, 2014-04-25 at 15:12 -0400, Steve Litt wrote: > > Kinda seems like the (de) evolution of cars, doesn't it? As a kid, > > I could tune up my beater flat head 6 1959 Plymouth in 20 minutes with > > a 10 inch adjustable and a gapp

Re: Systemd

2014-04-25 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Fri, 2014-04-25 at 21:49 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > On Fri, 2014-04-25 at 15:12 -0400, Steve Litt wrote: > > Kinda seems like the (de) evolution of cars, doesn't it? As a kid, > > I could tune up my beater flat head 6 1959 Plymouth in 20 minutes with > > a 10 inch adjustable and a gapping too

Re: System

2014-04-25 Thread Brian
On Fri 25 Apr 2014 at 21:58:30 +0200, Rob van der Putten wrote: > >Please, no! If you've read all of the posts to #727708 > > > > https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=727708 > > > >carefully you'll find there is probably nothing original to say. > > > >We know the default init syste

Re: Systemd

2014-04-25 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Fri, 2014-04-25 at 21:17 +0100, Tom Furie wrote: > On Fri, Apr 25, 2014 at 09:49:18PM +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > > On Fri, 2014-04-25 at 15:12 -0400, Steve Litt wrote: > > > Kinda seems like the (de) evolution of cars, doesn't it? As a kid, > > > I could tune up my beater flat head 6 1959 Ply

Re: In Squeeze replacing python version 2.6.6-13~bpo60+1 with version 2.6.6-3+squeeze7

2014-04-25 Thread Ken Heard
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 2014-04-25 10:03, Brian wrote: > On Thu 24 Apr 2014 at 12:55:26 -0400, Ken Heard wrote: > >> I am consequently stuck with python 2.6.6-13~bpo60+1 which seems >> to work with everything using python, but hplip wants the "pure" >> version of python r

Re: Systemd

2014-04-25 Thread Dale Harris
Well, I have great amount of respect for Ts'o and Linus, they are both very, very smart. Also I have a friend who is rather adept at programming and he's been going through the systemd code and has been bitching about it a lot. So all that second hand negative opinion tends to make me a bit nervou

Re: In Squeeze replacing python version 2.6.6-13~bpo60+1 with version 2.6.6-3+squeeze7

2014-04-25 Thread Brian
On Fri 25 Apr 2014 at 18:07:45 -0400, Ken Heard wrote: > I tried what you suggested. The response I received when I ran that > command follows. > - - > BDS:~# dpkg -i > /usr/local/share/hplip-3.14.4/python-dev_2.6.6-13~bpo60+1_all.deb > Selecting previously

Re: In Squeeze replacing python version 2.6.6-13~bpo60+1 with version 2.6.6-3+squeeze7

2014-04-25 Thread Brian
On Fri 25 Apr 2014 at 23:35:27 +0100, Brian wrote: > Does python2.6-dev not install? Forgot. apt-get install python2.6-dev or apt-get -f install -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org A

Re: Systemd

2014-04-25 Thread David Glover-Aoki
On 25 Apr 2014, at 03:04 pm, Dale Harris wrote: > Soon systemd will just become the OS, there will be no Linux... I am genuinely convinced that this is the ultimate goal of the systemd devs. -- David Glover-Aoki | https://david.gloveraoki.net/contact PGP key 5518C7DE | Amateur Radio KJ6TLX

Re: In Squeeze replacing python version 2.6.6-13~bpo60+1 with version 2.6.6-3+squeeze7

2014-04-25 Thread Ken Heard
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 2014-04-25 18:07, Ken Heard wrote: > On 2014-04-25 10:03, Brian wrote: >> On Thu 24 Apr 2014 at 12:55:26 -0400, Ken Heard wrote: > >>> I am consequently stuck with python 2.6.6-13~bpo60+1 which >>> seems to work with everything using python, but hp

Re: libc-bin, libc-bin-amd64 conflict

2014-04-25 Thread Gary Roach
On 04/23/2014 03:43 PM, Andrei POPESCU wrote: On Mi, 23 apr 14, 11:58:49, Gary Roach wrote: Hi all, I am running an Intel i5-750, 4 core processor with Debian 3.2.54-2 x86-64 OS and Debian Squeeze. Recent attempts to update the system, with Aptitude (and dpkg), have failed because of a conflict

Re: Systemd

2014-04-25 Thread Joel Rees
On Fri, Apr 25, 2014 at 10:59 PM, Chris Angelico wrote: > On Fri, Apr 25, 2014 at 11:31 PM, Joel Rees wrote: > > > > We can expect a fork in the kernel fairly soon, about as soon as certain > > leaders in the community are confident they can make the current main > branch > > the meaningless one

Re: Systemd

2014-04-25 Thread Chris Angelico
On Sat, Apr 26, 2014 at 1:53 PM, Joel Rees wrote: > On Fri, Apr 25, 2014 at 10:59 PM, Chris Angelico wrote: >> Please, can someone explain - without too much on the politics, if >> that's possible - whether it's right for me to invest time into >> learning systemd? > > > This one is impossible to

Mobile Broadband with Btooth

2014-04-25 Thread Gábor Hársfalvi
Hi, How to do that? It always refuse connecting