Re: FW: [CTTE #727708] Default init system for Debian

On Wed, Feb 12, 2014 at 12:12 AM, Chris Bannister wrote: > > I tried systemd - booted really fast, but it didn't honor any console > font settings I had. I groaned and reverted back realising, after seeing > quite a bit of discussion, that there was another setup to learn! In > this case the learn

Re: FW: [CTTE #727708] Default init system for Debian

Hi, After reading through all the pros and cons, it seems that there isn't a good replacement at all, so it would be better to wait. Admittedly I use OpenRC on my gentoo machine and it's fine. Systemd seems to violate too many Unix principles and Upstart has problems with the canonical copyright li

Re: About to format the whole laptop, need some partitioning advice.

Rather than answering all the naysayers individually, I'll explain again, publicly, why I suggested the numbers I did. On Wed, Feb 12, 2014 at 12:41 AM, Anubhav Yadav wrote: > Okay, I installed debian now, a perfect install with LVM. > Here is the output of df -H > > Filesystem Size

Re: FW: [CTTE #727708] Default init system for Debian

On 12/02/14 20:27, James Allsopp wrote: > Hi, > After reading through all the pros and cons, it seems that there isn't a > good replacement at all, so it would be better to wait. Admittedly I use > OpenRC on my gentoo machine and it's fine. Systemd seems to violate too > many Unix principles and Up

Re: FW: [CTTE #727708] Default init system for Debian

On 12/02/14 20:27, James Allsopp wrote: > Hi, > After reading through all the pros and cons, it seems that there isn't a > good replacement at all, so it would be better to wait. Admittedly I use > OpenRC on my gentoo machine and it's fine. Systemd seems to violate too > many Unix principles and Up

Re: FW: [CTTE #727708] Default init system for Debian

Hi Scott, Fair enough with this point; "a. The decision *was* made by Debian developers, as it should be. Those that do, get to make decisions about how they do 'it' - those that use, feel free to use elsewhere - or do their own fork instead of getting others to do it for them." Although I mention

Re: FW: [CTTE #727708] Default init system for Debian

[James, please don top post on this mailing list.] On Wed, Feb 12, 2014 at 11:48:37AM +, James Allsopp wrote: > Is there a document that summarises what developers thought the pros and > cons of each were? I've read LP's comments on systemd, but that hardly > falls into the balanced camp. A q

Re: FW: [CTTE #727708] Default init system for Debian

On 12/02/14 22:48, James Allsopp wrote: > Hi Scott, > Fair enough with this point; "a. The decision *was* made by Debian > developers, as it should be. Those > that do, get to make decisions about how they do 'it' - those that use, > feel free to use elsewhere - or do their own fork instead of gett

Re: more than 12G of RAM

On Wed, Feb 12, 2014 at 2:25 AM, Gary Dale wrote: > >> Sorry everyone, but the memory sticks all work fine. Memtest+ shows 8G > working when I run it against the 2x4G and the 1x8G. My system runs fine, > except for the thrashing, with 8G. It's one application that causes the > thrashing and Free

Re: ssh host ip/id management for dynamic dns servers [OT?]

On Tue 11 Feb 2014 at 06:52:10 -0700, Paul E Condon wrote: > I'm puzzled about the apparent 'security theater' on this topic. > Known host checking is done, I think, to defend against 'man in the > middle', so when the known host key changes because of some event down > in the bowels of dynamic dn

Re: ssh host ip/id management for dynamic dns servers

On Tue 11 Feb 2014 at 15:22:26 +0200, Lars Noodén wrote: > ssh-keygen -r checks the SSHFP record in DNS. Use grep or something to > check known_hosts. For me, ssh-keygen -R does not remove all the > dynamically generated host keys, however. I've not yet identified what > confounds ssh-keygen.

Re: ssh host ip/id management for dynamic dns servers

On 02/12/2014 02:59 PM, Brian wrote: > On Tue 11 Feb 2014 at 15:22:26 +0200, Lars Noodén wrote: > >> ssh-keygen -r checks the SSHFP record in DNS. Use grep or something to >> check known_hosts. For me, ssh-keygen -R does not remove all the >> dynamically generated host keys, however. I've not y

Re: HP Ultrium 3000 via LSI SAS3801E

On Tue, Feb 11, 2014 at 10:02:18PM +0100, mourik jan heupink wrote: > Hi, > > Anyone here running an STORAGEWORKS ULTRIUM 3000 LTO5 tape streamer > connected via an LSI SAS3801E HBA? (on debian wheezy x64) > > Our current HP Ultrium 920 SAS LTO3 works perfectly over this card. > Just wondering if

Re: FW: [CTTE #727708] Default init system for Debian

Le 12.02.2014 12:48, James Allsopp a écrit : Hi Scott, Fair enough with this point; "a. The decision *was* made by Debian developers, as it should be. Those that do, get to make decisions about how they do 'it' - those that use, feel free to use elsewhere - or do their own fork instead of get

Re: FW: [CTTE #727708] Default init system for Debian

On Wed, 2014-02-12 at 16:18 +0100, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote: > I think that Debian have a quite great percentage of tinkerers > which will be able to produce lot of documents to replace an init system > by another one. In fact, there already have some, which allowed me to > give a try

Re: FW: [CTTE #727708] Default init system for Debian

Ralf Mardorf writes: > If we like it or dislike it, sysvinit / init scripts are dead. Sounds like a Bad News(TM). -- /\ ___Ubuntu: ancient /___/\_|_|\_|__|___Gian Uberto Lauri_ African word //--\| | \| | Integralista GNUslami

Re: FW: [CTTE #727708] Default init system for Debian

On Wednesday, February 12, 2014 04:50:49 PM Gian Uberto Lauri wrote: > Ralf Mardorf writes: > > If we like it or dislike it, sysvinit / init scripts are dead. > > Sounds like a Bad News(TM). Why bad news? SysV init's been dead through most of the rest of *nix-land (Even most certified Unixen do

Re: more than 12G of RAM

On 12/02/14 07:40 AM, Roberto Scattini wrote: On Wed, Feb 12, 2014 at 2:25 AM, Gary Dale > wrote: Sorry everyone, but the memory sticks all work fine. Memtest+ shows 8G working when I run it against the 2x4G and the 1x8G. My system runs fine, except f

apt-get remove/purge with regex gives unexpected result

On an installation of Debian GNU/Linux 7.0 with subsequent updates from testing (Linux 3.12.9-1 amd64) I noticed a strange output while running "apt-get remove" or "apt-get purge" in order to remove/purge libreoffice packages. Here are the libreoffice packages: $ dpkg-query -l 'libreoffice*' | ta

Re: apt-get remove/purge with regex gives unexpected result

On 2014-02-12 17:25 +0100, rpr nospam wrote: > In order to uninstall all libreoffice packages I ran the following > apt-get command with a simple regular expression: > > $ sudo apt-get remove 'libreoffice.*' > Reading package lists... Done > Building dependency tree > Reading state information...

Re: FW: [CTTE #727708] Default init system for Debian

On 2014-02-12 06:12 +0100, Chris Bannister wrote: > I tried systemd - booted really fast, but it didn't honor any console > font settings I had. I groaned and reverted back realising, after seeing > quite a bit of discussion, that there was another setup to learn! In > this case the learning would

Re: ssh host ip/id management for dynamic dns servers

On 20140212_152909, Lars Noodén wrote: > On 02/12/2014 02:59 PM, Brian wrote: > > On Tue 11 Feb 2014 at 15:22:26 +0200, Lars Noodén wrote: > > > >> ssh-keygen -r checks the SSHFP record in DNS. Use grep or something to > >> check known_hosts. For me, ssh-keygen -R does not remove all the > >> dy

Re: more than 12G of RAM

On 12/02/2014 11:26, Gary Dale wrote: On 12/02/14 07:40 AM, Roberto Scattini wrote: On Wed, Feb 12, 2014 at 2:25 AM, Gary Dale mailto:garyd...@torfree.net>> wrote: Sorry everyone, but the memory sticks all work fine. Memtest+ shows 8G working when I run it against the 2x4G and the 1x

Re: ssh host ip/id management for dynamic dns servers

On 02/12/2014 07:34 PM, Paul E Condon wrote: > ... > Question: Suppose I encounter this situation of the 'known host' having > moved to a different IP address (or a different URL?), is there a way > to discover whether the change is due to a proper functioning DynDNS, > or to a somewhat unstealthy

Re: ssh host ip/id management for dynamic dns servers

On Wed 12 Feb 2014 at 10:34:33 -0700, Paul E Condon wrote: > Question: Suppose I encounter this situation of the 'known host' having > moved to a different IP address (or a different URL?), is there a way > to discover whether the change is due to a proper functioning DynDNS, > or to a somewhat un

Re: ssh host ip/id management for dynamic dns servers

On 20140212_200320, Lars Noodén wrote: > On 02/12/2014 07:34 PM, Paul E Condon wrote: > > ... > > Question: Suppose I encounter this situation of the 'known host' having > > moved to a different IP address (or a different URL?), is there a way > > to discover whether the change is due to a proper f

Nautilus not opening certain folders in Home Folder

Dear Team I am using Debian 7.4. Nautilus is not opening* (it show the circle waiting*)certain folders in Home. Output when i type nautilus in terminal as root user root@debian:/home/anoop# nautilus Initializing nautilus-dropbox 1.6.1 ** (nautilus:8058): WARNING **: /usr/lib/nautilus/extensions

Re: ssh host ip/id management for dynamic dns servers

On 12/02/2014 13:30, Paul E Condon wrote: On 20140212_200320, Lars Noodén wrote: On 02/12/2014 07:34 PM, Paul E Condon wrote: ... Question: Suppose I encounter this situation of the 'known host' having moved to a different IP address (or a different URL?), is there a way to discover whether the

systemd: some questions

Hi all, as I welcome and want to test the new systemd, but not break my system, I have some questions. Hope, they can be easily answered and are not too dumb. 1. Must I install systemd-sysv additionally to systemd? 2. Must I remove the essential package sysvinit? 3. Is the entry in ther comma

Re: systemd: some questions

On Wed, 2014-02-12 at 21:28 +0100, Hans wrote: > as I welcome and want to test the new systemd, but not break my system, I > have > some questions. Perhaps you should clone your install, keep the original as is and switch to systemd only for the clone. "Where to get help? As systemd is a very

Re: systemd: some questions

On Mi, 12 feb 14, 21:28:19, Hans wrote: > Hi all, > > as I welcome and want to test the new systemd, but not break my system, I > have > some questions. Hope, they can be easily answered and are not too dumb. > > 1. Must I install systemd-sysv additionally to systemd? No. > 2. Must I remove

Re: systemd: some questions

On Wed, Feb 12, 2014 at 3:28 PM, Hans wrote: > 1. Must I install systemd-sysv additionally to systemd? No. Installing systemd-sysv will replace sysvinit's "/sbin/init" by a symlink to "/lib/systemd/systemd". > 2. Must I remove the essential package sysvinit? No. In jessie, sysvinit just pro

Re: systemd: some questions

On Wed, Feb 12, 2014 at 4:03 PM, Andrei POPESCU wrote: > On Mi, 12 feb 14, 21:28:19, Hans wrote: >> >> 3. Is the entry in ther commandline of grub init=7lib/systemd/systemd needed? >> (My system hangs, when this is used) > > According to /usr/share/doc/systemd/README.Debian this should be > > init

Upgrading Computer

I am planning on upgrading my Debian Linux tower and am soliciting comments on the following CPU/Motherboard: AMD FX 8320, 8-core 3.5 GHz, 16.0MB Cache CPU ASUS M5 A97 R2.0 Motherboard Thanks in advance. Stephen P. Molnar, Ph.D.Life is

Re: [OFF-TOPIC] Debian se queda con systemd, bueno o malo??

2014-02-12 15:56 GMT+01:00 Camaleón : > > El Wed, 12 Feb 2014 14:22:11 +0100, Maykel Franco escribió: > > > http://www.muylinux.com/2014/02/12/debian-systemd > > La nota "oficial": > > [CTTE #727708] Default init system for Debian > https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2014/02/msg5.ht

Dist-upgrade on remote server fails;

I have a question regarding upgrading a remotely hosted VPN server. was running Debian 6; I did a few upgrades to clear the way for a dist-upgrade. I normally do this by getting the libc6 stuff and the kernel image done first then the rest of my apps. I've had very few issues with this in the past.

Re: systemd: some questions

s removed. > > > 3. Is the entry in ther commandline of grub init=7lib/systemd/systemd > > needed? (My system hangs, when this is used) > > (I assume that "7lib" is "/lib" in grub.cfg) > > At what point does it hang? This was a typo. I meant /lib of course. It hangs, when the "/" device is goi

Re: ssh host ip/id management for dynamic dns servers

On 13/02/14 07:07, Dan Purgert wrote: > On 12/02/2014 13:30, Paul E Condon wrote: >> On 20140212_200320, Lars Noodén wrote: >>> On 02/12/2014 07:34 PM, Paul E Condon wrote: ... Question: Suppose I encounter this situation of the 'known host' having moved to a different IP address (or

NSA into Debian distribution!

Hello List I was very alert for almost 14 years, thinking that someone could come into Debian distributions, to install some kind of backdoor; but i could not imagine that the backdoor has been installed little by little into the Debian people, please see, from https://wiki.debian.org/Debate/inits

Re: NSA into Debian distribution!

On 13/02/14 10:24, lati...@vcn.bc.ca wrote: > Hello List > > I was very alert for almost 14 years, Great, but I think you're posting to the wrong list. Try trollsrus.org or witlingfools.org HTH Kind regards -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of

Re: NSA into Debian distribution!

On 12 February 2014 18:24, wrote: > Hello List > > I was very alert for almost 14 years, thinking that someone could come > into Debian distributions, to install some kind of backdoor; but i could > not imagine that the backdoor has been installed little by little into the > Debian people, please

Re: NSA into Debian distribution!

> On 12 February 2014 18:24, wrote: >> Hello List >> >> I was very alert for almost 14 years, thinking that someone could come >> into Debian distributions, to install some kind of backdoor; but i could >> not imagine that the backdoor has been installed little by little into >> the >> Debian peo

Re: NSA into Debian distribution!

On Thu, 2014-02-13 at 10:58 +1100, Scott Ferguson wrote: > Try trollsrus.org :D -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1392259005.678.7.camel@archlinux

Re: Upgrading Computer

On Feb 12, 2014 2:32 PM, "Stephen P. Molnar" wrote: > > I am planning on upgrading my Debian Linux tower and am soliciting comments on the following CPU/Motherboard: > > > > AMD FX 8320, 8-core 3.5 GHz, 16.0MB Cache CPU Sounds fine for most uses. > > ASUS M5 A97 R2.0 Motherboard Asus

Re: Upgrading Computer

On Wed, 2014-02-12 at 19:42 -0800, Schlacta, Christ wrote: > Asus is a good brand. My ASUS mobo doesn't know that it's a good brand for Linux usage. Perhaps you could give therapy to my M2A-VM HDMI, so that it becomes aware that it's a good brand for Linux usage. IOW what ever mobo is good or bad

Re: NSA into Debian distribution!

On 2/13/14, lati...@vcn.bc.ca wrote: >> On 12 February 2014 18:24, wrote: >> Don't really understand your email, nothing makes sense. This must be >> considered spam. >> Erick. > > What worry me, is that usually the decisions are taken with choices, and > this time there is no choice. You are

Re: [D-community-offtopic] FW: [CTTE #727708] Default init system for Debian - Was: NSA into Debian distribution!

> > [latinfo, are you subscribed to this list? If so we could stop CC'ing > you] No, i am not subscribed, but it is not a problem if you CC me. Thanks > > On Thu, Feb 13, 2014 at 03:50:33AM +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote: >> On Wed, 2014-02-12 at 17:55 -0800, lati...@vcn.bc.ca wrote: >> > Normally in

Re: NSA into Debian distribution!

2014-02-13 0:24 GMT+01:00 : > Hello List > > I was very alert for almost 14 years, thinking that someone could come > into Debian distributions, to install some kind of backdoor; but i could > not imagine that the backdoor has been installed little by little into the > Debian people, please see, f

Re: Upgrading Computer

Ralf Mardorf grabbed a keyboard and wrote: > On Wed, 2014-02-12 at 19:42 -0800, Schlacta, Christ wrote: >> Asus is a good brand. > > My ASUS mobo doesn't know that it's a good brand for Linux usage. Given that your motherboard is an inanimate object, it's unlikely that it knows much of anything.