Re: Re: Re: Re: Building computer

2013-09-28 Thread Balamurugan
On 09/28/2013 04:04 AM, David L. Craig wrote: On 13Sep27:2054+0530, Balamurugan wrote: On 09/27/2013 04:08 PM, David L. Craig wrote: Your fact is not. I installed Debian Sid on a G500 a few months ago and it dual-boots with Win8. The trick is to use the smaller alternative power button to the

Problem with kernel-image-3.10-2-amd64

2013-09-28 Thread Shane Johnson
I have been fighting this all night and was wondering if anyone else has been having problems as well? I am doing a new install via debootstrap to a lvm2 volume via the wheezy rescue disk. I got it running in wheezy then went to jessie and while I was running the 3.2 kernel from wheezy it booted

Re: Building computer

2013-09-28 Thread Stan Hoeppner
Hi Catherine, I haven't caught up with the rest of the thread but just wanted to address a couple points here. On 9/26/2013 11:12 AM, Catherine Gramze wrote: > > On Sep 26, 2013, at 1:05 AM, Stan Hoeppner wrote: > >> >> What desktop applications are you using that require 8GB, let alone >> 16G

Re: should an end user stick to a kernel with an initrd?

2013-09-28 Thread Regid Ichira
On Fri, 27 Sep 2013 19:06:43 -0400, Tom H wrote: > On Fri, Sep 27, 2013 at 3:28 PM, Regid Ichira wrote: > > On Fri, Fri, 27 Sep 2013 13:34:56 -0400, Tom H wrote: > >> On Fri, Sep 27, 2013 at 3:12 AM, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > >>> On Thu, 2013-09-26 at 19:07 -0400, Stephen Powell wrote: > > T

Re: should an end user stick to a kernel with an initrd?

2013-09-28 Thread Joel Rees
On Sat, Sep 28, 2013 at 8:49 PM, Regid Ichira wrote: > On Fri, 27 Sep 2013 19:06:43 -0400, Tom H wrote: >> [...] >> As I said, more or less, in a reply to Ralf, can you guarantee that no >> other Linux user will have a disk renamed? >> > > If I understand > http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/

Re: should an end user stick to a kernel with an initrd?

2013-09-28 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Sat, 2013-09-28 at 14:49 +0300, Regid Ichira wrote: > Hotplug devices might differ. A hotplug device _is_ something different. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://list

Re: should an end user stick to a kernel with an initrd?

2013-09-28 Thread Stephen Powell
On Fri, 27 Sep 2013 23:17:40 -0400 (EDT), Ralf Mardorf wrote: > On Fri, 2013-09-27 at 19:41 -0400, Stephen Powell wrote: >> But the correspondence between these Linux device names and the >> hardware device numbers varies widely from boot to boot. I can assure >> you of that from personal experien

Re: Code Of Conduct (was ... Re: Security?)

2013-09-28 Thread Chris Bannister
On Mon, Sep 23, 2013 at 03:15:57PM +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > > So is it ok to post such a link? It does say that swearing is illegal on packet radio, which some people use to "read" the ML. So understanding that, and also that swearing is unnecesary on a support ML, I'd say you have your answ

Re: Building computer

2013-09-28 Thread berenger . morel
Le 28.09.2013 13:33, Stan Hoeppner a écrit : Hi Catherine, I haven't caught up with the rest of the thread but just wanted to address a couple points here. On 9/26/2013 11:12 AM, Catherine Gramze wrote: On Sep 26, 2013, at 1:05 AM, Stan Hoeppner wrote: What desktop applications are yo

Re: cron and package upgrade

2013-09-28 Thread Chris Bannister
On Tue, Sep 24, 2013 at 02:20:39AM +0200, Vincent Lefevre wrote: > > During important upgrades such as locales, I avoid doing things > like starting an xterm... Usually, already running applications You do system upgrades WITH X running? :( If there is a problem with the upgrade of X, you could

Re: should an end user stick to a kernel with an initrd?

2013-09-28 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Sat, 2013-09-28 at 08:59 -0400, Stephen Powell wrote: > On Fri, 27 Sep 2013 23:17:40 -0400 (EDT), Ralf Mardorf wrote: > > On Fri, 2013-09-27 at 19:41 -0400, Stephen Powell wrote: > >> But the correspondence between these Linux device names and the > >> hardware device numbers varies widely from

Re: Code Of Conduct (was ... Re: Security?)

2013-09-28 Thread Jerry Stuckle
On 9/28/2013 9:06 AM, Chris Bannister wrote: On Mon, Sep 23, 2013 at 03:15:57PM +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: So is it ok to post such a link? It does say that swearing is illegal on packet radio, which some people use to "read" the ML. *** In the United States ***. Ths U.S. is not the whole

Re: Building computer

2013-09-28 Thread Jack Malmostoso
On Tue, 24 Sep 2013 22:10:01 +0200 Catherine Gramze wrote: > So, I am looking for recommendations on hardware, particularly > motherboards, known to play nicely with Debian and boot consistently. I hope I'm not late to the party, but here's my new setup (bought in June) which runs Debian Sid wit

Re: cron and package upgrade

2013-09-28 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Sun, 2013-09-29 at 01:15 +1200, Chris Bannister wrote: > On Tue, Sep 24, 2013 at 02:20:39AM +0200, Vincent Lefevre wrote: > > > > During important upgrades such as locales, I avoid doing things > > like starting an xterm... Usually, already running applications > > You do system upgrades WITH

Re: should an end user stick to a kernel with an initrd?

2013-09-28 Thread Jude DaShiell
On Sat, 28 Sep 2013, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > On Fri, 2013-09-27 at 14:41 -0400, Tom H wrote: > > On Fri, Sep 27, 2013 at 2:13 PM, Ralf Mardorf > > wrote: > > > On Fri, 2013-09-27 at 13:34 -0400, Tom H wrote: > > >> On Fri, Sep 27, 2013 at 3:12 AM, Ralf Mardorf > > >> wrote: > > >>> On Thu, 2013-09

Re: Building computer

2013-09-28 Thread Catherine Gramze
On Sep 28, 2013, at 9:15 AM, Jack Malmostoso wrote: > I hope I'm not late to the party, but here's my new setup (bought in > June) which runs Debian Sid without problems: You may be too late for me, but not late for somebody else. This type of info is sadly hard to find for the newer motherbo

Re: Building computer

2013-09-28 Thread Jack Malmostoso
On Sat, 28 Sep 2013 16:10:01 +0200 Catherine Gramze wrote: > Could you > be so kind as to tell us whether the board came with default settings > that worked, or whether you needed to make changes in the BIOS? I had to deactivate the "Secure Boot" option in order to be able to boot Debian Instal

Re: Building computer

2013-09-28 Thread Catherine Gramze
On Sep 28, 2013, at 10:31 AM, Jack Malmostoso wrote: > The onboard graphics depend on the CPU. In my case, it's HD4600, which > is the fastest you can get with a socketed CPU. > It's supported by the Intel driver in Wheezy for most things, however > now in Sid it is used 100%. I can do light gam

Re: Building computer

2013-09-28 Thread Jack Malmostoso
On Sat, 28 Sep 2013 17:00:01 +0200 Catherine Gramze wrote: > Thank you for the additional info. It sounds a whole lot like what I > am getting in the Zareason computer I ordered. I am waiting very > impatiently! I was scrolling through the thread and I see you want to add a video card, and I che

Re: Building computer

2013-09-28 Thread Jack Malmostoso
On Sat, 28 Sep 2013 17:00:01 +0200 Catherine Gramze wrote: > Thank you for the additional info. It sounds a whole lot like what I > am getting in the Zareason computer I ordered. I am waiting very > impatiently! I was scrolling through the thread and I see you want to add a video card, and I che

Re: Can't create folder on empty partition - suspect permission issue

2013-09-28 Thread Richard Owlett
Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Sat, 2013-09-28 at 09:05 +0900, Joel Rees wrote: In the meantime, synaptic and others essentially go through su or sudo and pop up a dialog asking for your root or admin password. Resp. those commands are gksu, gksudo, kdesu. Thank you for solution to immediate proble

Re: Problem with kernel-image-3.10-2-amd64

2013-09-28 Thread Hugo Vanwoerkom
Shane Johnson wrote: I have been fighting this all night and was wondering if anyone else has been having problems as well? I am doing a new install via debootstrap to a lvm2 volume via the wheezy rescue disk. I got it running in wheezy then went to jessie and while I was running the 3.2 kernel

Re: Building computer

2013-09-28 Thread Stan Hoeppner
On 9/27/2013 6:03 AM, Joel Rees wrote: > On Fri, Sep 27, 2013 at 10:22 AM, Tom H wrote: >> On Thu, Sep 26, 2013 at 7:09 AM, Stan Hoeppner >> wrote: >>> On 9/26/2013 5:45 AM, Joel Rees wrote: On Thu, Sep 26, 2013 at 2:05 PM, Stan Hoeppner wrote: > On 9/25/2013 12:52 PM, Catherine

Problem getting compose-key to work with .XCompose

2013-09-28 Thread Heimo Stranner
I want to use my print key as compose key and use custom compose codes. I created a ~/.Xmodmap file containing the following: > keycode 107 = Multi_key 107 is the print key on my laptop (oddly placed between AltGr and Strg - it is a german keyboard layout). Then I run xmodmap .Xmodmap and so fa

Re: Re (2): Can't create folder on empty partition - suspect permission issue

2013-09-28 Thread Joel Rees
On Sat, Sep 28, 2013 at 9:49 AM, wrote: > From: Joel Rees > Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2013 09:05:33 +0900 >> ... make all the users that write to it [a folder] members of the group. > > If you don't object to the question, would those users tend to be > people or projects or tasks? Good question!

Strange Package Behavior

2013-09-28 Thread glen
I went to install fglrx-legacy and all related packages. The install seemed to work just fine. When I rebooted, X failed. Looking through the Xorg log I found that the /etc/ati directory was empty. Now I find that the apt database shows that the /etc/ati files are all there without having the pa

Re: Strange Package Behavior

2013-09-28 Thread sp113438
On Sat, 28 Sep 2013 11:34:27 -0700 glen wrote: > I went to install fglrx-legacy and all related packages. The install > seemed to work just fine. When I rebooted, X failed. Looking through > the Xorg log I found that the /etc/ati directory was empty. Now I > find that the apt database shows th

Re: Building computer - power supplies

2013-09-28 Thread Stan Hoeppner
On 9/27/2013 6:37 PM, Joel Rees wrote: > On Fri, Sep 27, 2013 at 9:36 PM, Stan Hoeppner wrote: >> A point I forgot to make. This is something everyone should know. >> >> Subject: The marketing myth of multiple +12V rails >> [...] > > What I want to know is why Intel CPUs still need the +12V. T

Re: Strange Package Behavior

2013-09-28 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Sat, 2013-09-28 at 11:34 -0700, glen wrote: > I've tries a variety of apt-get commands to clean up the database to > no avail. Needless to say, if I try to install the package, it has a > broken status. You should mention the "variety of apt-get commands to clean up the database". If you don't

Re: Building computer - power supplies

2013-09-28 Thread Doug
On 09/28/2013 03:23 PM, Stan Hoeppner wrote: > On 9/27/2013 6:37 PM, Joel Rees wrote: >> On Fri, Sep 27, 2013 at 9:36 PM, Stan Hoeppner >> wrote: >>> A point I forgot to make. This is something everyone should know. >>> >>> Subject: The marketing myth of multiple +12V rails >>> [...] >> >> What

Re: Building computer

2013-09-28 Thread Stan Hoeppner
On 9/28/2013 8:14 AM, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote: > > > Le 28.09.2013 13:33, Stan Hoeppner a écrit : >> Hi Catherine, >> >> I haven't caught up with the rest of the thread but just wanted to >> address a couple points here. >> >> On 9/26/2013 11:12 AM, Catherine Gramze wrote: >>> >>> On

Re: Building computer

2013-09-28 Thread Catherine Gramze
On Sep 28, 2013, at 11:56 AM, Jack Malmostoso wrote: > I was scrolling through the thread and I see you want to add a video > card, and I checked on the Zareason website what they offer. I hope you > got a power supply with more than the 350W standard. I am not sure it > has enough horsepower to

Re: Re: Strange Package Behavior

2013-09-28 Thread Glen
Ralf, Ran the following commands as suggested: dpkg --configure -a dpkg --configure --pending apt-get -f install apt-get update Then tried an install: root@honcho:~# apt-get install fglrx-legacy-driver Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree Reading state information... D

Re: Building computer - power supplies

2013-09-28 Thread Joe
On Sat, 28 Sep 2013 16:18:30 -0400 Doug wrote: > On 09/28/2013 03:23 PM, Stan Hoeppner wrote: > > On 9/27/2013 6:37 PM, Joel Rees wrote: > >> On Fri, Sep 27, 2013 at 9:36 PM, Stan Hoeppner > >> wrote: > >>> A point I forgot to make. This is something everyone should know. > >>> > >>> Subject:

Re: Building computer

2013-09-28 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Sat, 2013-09-28 at 16:55 -0400, Catherine Gramze wrote: > > On Sep 28, 2013, at 11:56 AM, Jack Malmostoso > wrote: > > > I was scrolling through the thread and I see you want to add a video > > card, and I checked on the Zareason website what they offer. I hope > > you > > got a power supply

Re: Problem getting compose-key to work with .XCompose

2013-09-28 Thread Carl Johnson
Heimo Stranner writes: > I want to use my print key as compose key and use custom compose codes. > > I created a ~/.Xmodmap file containing the following: > >> keycode 107 = Multi_key > > 107 is the print key on my laptop (oddly placed between AltGr and Strg - > it is a german keyboard layout). >

No keyboard and mouse clicks after Debian 7 install

2013-09-28 Thread C.T.F. Jansen
Greetings, Installed Debian 7.1.0 , amd64, seemed to go without any problems, but after the boot it only shows a watch symbol, this can be moved by the mouse but the keyboard and mouse clicks do nothing. Ctrl-Alt-F1 does nothing. Powered done and used rescue OS to look at /var/log/Xorg.0.l

ANNOUNCEMENT: Intel processor microcode security update (20130906)

2013-09-28 Thread Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
A new Intel microcode update (dated 20130906) is available on unstable, testing and also on wheezy-backports. A Debian Stable update (through stable-proposed-updates) has been requested, but it may take some time for it to be approved. If you cannot wait, please use the wheezy-backports packages

Re: Problem getting compose-key to work with .XCompose

2013-09-28 Thread Siard
Heimo Stranner wrote: > I created a ~/.Xcompose file containing the following: > > > include "/usr/share/X11/locale/en_US.UTF-8/Compose" > > > > : "≢" U2262 # Not identical to > > : "⋀" U22C0 # N-ary locical and > > > > I restarted X, rebooted but when I use one of the key

Re: Building computer - power supplies

2013-09-28 Thread Stan Hoeppner
On 9/28/2013 3:18 PM, Doug wrote: > On 09/28/2013 03:23 PM, Stan Hoeppner wrote: >> On 9/27/2013 6:37 PM, Joel Rees wrote: >>> On Fri, Sep 27, 2013 at 9:36 PM, Stan Hoeppner >>> wrote: A point I forgot to make. This is something everyone should know. Subject: The marketing myth o

can't get quota over NFS4

2013-09-28 Thread Denny Fuchs
hi, I have several NFS4 mount with quota enabled on the server side (Wheezy too), but I only get quota for NFSv3. "files" is our NFS server rpcinfo -p files Program Vers Proto Port 104 tcp111 portmapper 103 tcp111 portmapper

Re: should an end user stick to a kernel with an initrd?

2013-09-28 Thread Regid Ichira
On Sat, 28 Sep 2013 21:29:35 +0900 Joel Rees wrote: > On Sat, Sep 28, 2013 at 8:49 PM, Regid Ichira wrote: > > On Fri, 27 Sep 2013 19:06:43 -0400, Tom H wrote: > >> [...] > >> As I said, more or less, in a reply to Ralf, can you guarantee that no > >> other Linux user will have a disk renamed? > >

Re: Building computer

2013-09-28 Thread berenger . morel
Le 28.09.2013 22:46, Stan Hoeppner a écrit : On 9/28/2013 8:14 AM, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote: Le 28.09.2013 13:33, Stan Hoeppner a écrit : Hi Catherine, I haven't caught up with the rest of the thread but just wanted to address a couple points here. On 9/26/2013 11:12 AM, Cather

Re: Strange Package Behavior

2013-09-28 Thread sp113438
On Sat, 28 Sep 2013 13:41:53 -0700 Glen wrote: > Ralf, > > Ran the following commands as suggested: > > dpkg --configure -a > dpkg --configure --pending > apt-get -f install > apt-get update > > > Then tried an install: > > root@honcho:~# apt-get install fglrx-legacy-driver > Reading package

Re: Strange Package Behavior

2013-09-28 Thread Glen
On Sun, 2013-09-29 at 04:42 +0200, sp113438 wrote: > On Sat, 28 Sep 2013 13:41:53 -0700 > Glen wrote: > > > Ralf, > > > > Ran the following commands as suggested: > > > > dpkg --configure -a > > dpkg --configure --pending > > apt-get -f install > > apt-get update > > > > > > Then tried an ins

Re: should an end user stick to a kernel with an initrd?

2013-09-28 Thread Doug
On 09/28/2013 09:27 PM, Regid Ichira wrote: > On Sat, 28 Sep 2013 21:29:35 +0900 Joel Rees wrote: /snip/ >> Old information. All disks pretend to be SCSI now. >> /snip/ > I am not familiar with the ATA protocol. Are you saying that the > kernel has no way to know the time on which each disk

Re: Building computer - power supplies

2013-09-28 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Sat, 2013-09-28 at 19:15 -0500, Stan Hoeppner wrote: > However, another cost saving aspect to this I didn't mention > previously is component commonality. If a vendor sizes it PSUs > optimally, most if not every PSU in the line can use the same > regulator FETs. For instance, a 25A regulator c

Re: Hibernate/resume fails after adding SSD to debian 7

2013-09-28 Thread Len Berman
I moved my SSD from SATA 1 -> SATA 5 and reran update-initramfs. The resume now works. Don't understand why this should be the case since all disks are referenced by their UUIDs.

kernel compilation (was ... Re: Building computer)

2013-09-28 Thread Chris Bannister
On Thu, Sep 26, 2013 at 11:57:43PM -0300, Beco wrote: > On 26 September 2013 22:22, Tom H wrote: > > > > (I've compiled a kernel on a netbook; you'd better have a few hours to > > spare...) > > > > > > > > > Questions for people who compile kernel and their machines: You are better off starting

Re: should an end user stick to a kernel with an initrd?

2013-09-28 Thread Joel Rees
On Sun, Sep 29, 2013 at 10:27 AM, Regid Ichira wrote: > On Sat, 28 Sep 2013 21:29:35 +0900 Joel Rees wrote: >> On Sat, Sep 28, 2013 at 8:49 PM, Regid Ichira wrote: >> > On Fri, 27 Sep 2013 19:06:43 -0400, Tom H wrote: >> >> [...] >> >> As I said, more or less, in a reply to Ralf, can you guarante