Wheezy: exim4 + mailman it is not sending messages.

2013-08-28 Thread latinfo
Hello i hope you can point me to a trusted doc to read, or tell me what to do. I read a very rude message coming from the exim4's manteiner; mailman does not have a man page, and the debian.README is not clear enough to catch the procedure to make mailman to work. I did the installation: # apt-get

Re: What's the easiest and/or simplest part of Linux Kernel?

2013-08-28 Thread Jerry Stuckle
On 8/28/2013 5:10 PM, Ralf Martyrdom wrote: On Wed, 28 Aug 2013 22:49:29 +0200, Jerry Stuckle wrote: While I agree with much of what you said, I definitely disagree with your comments on macros. C was probably the 10th or so language I learned, close to 30 years ago. I found macros, when PROP

Re: What's the easiest and/or simplest part of Linux Kernel?

2013-08-28 Thread Jerry Stuckle
On 8/28/2013 7:52 PM, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote: Le 28.08.2013 22:49, Jerry Stuckle a écrit : * which is doable in C. People saying that C can not do OOP are incompetent or lie. I do not really like C programming, but paradigm have nothing related to syntax, only with writer's minds.

Re: What's the easiest and/or simplest part of Linux Kernel?

2013-08-28 Thread Jerry Stuckle
On 8/28/2013 8:02 PM, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote: Le 29.08.2013 01:13, Cousin Stanley a écrit : Ralf Mardorf wrote: Assembler always is optimized code. Not always :-) One can also write stinky code in assembler. Like any programming language, some programmers a

Re: What's the easiest and/or simplest part of Linux Kernel?

2013-08-28 Thread Joel Rees
(I really don't have time to do this.) On Thu, Aug 29, 2013 at 12:17 PM, > [Somebody replied to somebody, arguing that C can't do objects.] The syntax does become obtuse, unfun, cluttered, etc., but it can be done. (To get the neurons connecting, think about early objective-C, when the "object"

Re: What's the easiest and/or simplest part of Linux Kernel?

2013-08-28 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Thu, 29 Aug 2013 02:02:11 +0200, wrote: Le 29.08.2013 01:13, Cousin Stanley a écrit : Ralf Mardorf wrote: Assembler always is optimized code. Not always :-) One can also write stinky code in assembler. Like any programming language, some programmers are better at i

Re: oh no something is definitely wrong adieu debian.

2013-08-28 Thread Chris Bannister
On Wed, Aug 28, 2013 at 06:18:58PM +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > On Wed, 2013-08-28 at 11:46 -0400, Tom H wrote: > > I use Ubuntu > > :) then you likely will run into the same issue like me and better > pretend that you don not use the best distro for your needs, since > Debian is the best distro f

Re: oh no something is definitly wrong adieu debian.

2013-08-28 Thread Chris Bannister
On Wed, Aug 28, 2013 at 07:18:57PM +0100, Joe wrote: > On Wed, 28 Aug 2013 21:04:40 +1200 > Chris Bannister wrote: > > > > Hint: unstable does not mean buggy. > > > > In theory. And in practice. All software has bugs, and hopefully most of the showstoppers are caught before the package passes

Re: oh no something is definitly wrong adieu debian.

2013-08-28 Thread Chris Bannister
On Tue, Aug 27, 2013 at 01:29:58PM +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > > I explained that you can't do that, if you experience a dependency hell > or an unstable environment. To contribute that way users and developers > need stable up-to-date releases of software + sometimes newer releases > than the cu

Re: losetup at boot

2013-08-28 Thread basti
Hi, what have you done until now? I had a similar problem with postgres + shmmax the simple solution for me was to edit the init script and set shmmax there. Regards, basti On 27.08.2013 22:59, Erick Ocrospoma wrote: > Hi, > > I'm trying to do the same as here > http://askubuntu.com/questions/549

apt-get upgrade problem with libenchant1c2a

2013-08-28 Thread David Goodenough
I have a sacrificial machine that I keep upto date with sid every morning. Yesterday and today I get an error:- Calculating upgrade... Failed The following packages have unmet dependencies: libenchant1c2a : Depends: aspell-en but it is not going to be installed or mys

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2013-08-28 Thread Tom Tang
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dbus

2013-08-28 Thread Ionel Mugurel Ciobîcă
Hi, After squeeze => wheezy upgrade I can't login at kdm. After I type the password I am logged out. I try several wm, it is the same. I commented out most of the things in .xsession, everything is executed before the wm call. I can't find errors in .xsession-errors and also not in Xorg.0.log. In

Re: dbus

2013-08-28 Thread Diogene Laerce
Hi I had this issue on time if I'm remember well, I had to remove the .config directory I think. Regards Diog. On 08/28/2013 06:52 PM, Ionel Mugurel Ciobîcă wrote: Hi, After squeeze => wheezy upgrade I can't login at kdm. After I type the password I am logged out. I try several wm, it is

Re: oh no something is definitely wrong adieu debian.

2013-08-28 Thread Chris Bannister
On Tue, Aug 27, 2013 at 11:09:48AM +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > > Wow, thank you for the link. Than Ubuntu in the future will cause much > > more issues, when you talk to upstream, than they already do by their > Ubuntu and Debian > > disgusting p

Re: oh no something is definitly wrong adieu debian.

2013-08-28 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Wed, 2013-08-28 at 21:04 +1200, Chris Bannister wrote: > On Tue, Aug 27, 2013 at 01:29:58PM +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > > > > I explained that you can't do that, if you experience a dependency hell > > or an unstable environment. To contribute that way users and developers > > need stable up-t

Re: oh no something is definitely wrong adieu debian.

2013-08-28 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Thu, 2013-08-29 at 00:11 +1200, Chris Bannister wrote: > On Tue, Aug 27, 2013 at 11:09:48AM +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > > > Wow, thank you for the link. Than Ubuntu in the future will cause much > > > more issues, when you talk to upstream, than they already do by their > >

Re: oh no something is definitely wrong adieu debian.

2013-08-28 Thread Carroll Grigsby
On Wed, 28 Aug 2013 14:31:14 +0200 Ralf Mardorf wrote: > > (snip) > > However, I HAVE NOTHING MORE TO SAY. > > (snip again) > Thank you, thank you, thank you... -- cmg -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas

Re: oh no something is definitely wrong adieu debian.

2013-08-28 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Wed, 2013-08-28 at 08:59 -0400, Carroll Grigsby wrote: > On Wed, 28 Aug 2013 14:31:14 +0200 > Ralf Mardorf wrote: > > > > (snip) > > > > However, I HAVE NOTHING MORE TO SAY. > > > > (snip again) > > > > Thank you, thank you, thank you... Did you contribute to help the OP to stay with Debian

Re: xfce4 and CD/DVD

2013-08-28 Thread Curt
On 2013-08-27, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > On Tue, 2013-08-27 at 17:55 +0200, François Patte wrote: >> Why not windows? > > I at least have to use XP as guest in VBox on a Linux install :D or I > couldn't use an iPad I one and the iPad is very useful for me to avoid > to buy ink for the printer and I ca

Re: Problems with nVidia proprietary driver

2013-08-28 Thread Curt
On 2013-08-26, Lisi Reisz wrote: > I read the postings fairly recently on this list, then Googled and found: > > https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers#configure > > I decided to follow that. I also followed the trouble-shooting recommended. > > I have checked and as a result of what I did

Re: oh no something is definitly wrong adieu debian.

2013-08-28 Thread Tom H
On Tue, 27 Aug 2013 11:05:34 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > On Tue, 2013-08-27 at 11:56 +0300, Mihamina Rakotomandimby wrote: >> >> http://news.slashdot.org/story/13/05/08/2038243/ubuntu-developing-its-own-package-format-installer > > Wow, thank you for the link. Than Ubuntu in the future will cau

Re: xfce4 and CD/DVD

2013-08-28 Thread François Patte
Le 28/08/2013 16:03, Curt a écrit : > On 2013-08-27, Ralf Mardorf wrote: >> On Tue, 2013-08-27 at 17:55 +0200, François Patte wrote: >>> Why not windows? >> >> I at least have to use XP as guest in VBox on a Linux install :D or I >> couldn't use an iPad I one and the iPad is very useful for me to

Re: oh no something is definitly wrong adieu debian.

2013-08-28 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Wed, 2013-08-28 at 11:19 -0400, Tom H wrote: > You should read the Colin Watson post (linked to on Slashdot) rather > than simply going by the sensationalist headline and paragraph. I did read it. I accept the policies of Debian and Ubuntu ;). I'm aware about their advantages and their drawba

Re: oh no something is definitly wrong adieu debian.

2013-08-28 Thread Tom H
On Tue, 27 Aug 2013 20:30:07 +1000, Zenaan Harkness wrote: > > Fedora/RedHat has strict libre adherence for since forever. Debian has > social contract forever. > > These advantages are definitive! > > These distributions are therefore superior! They are definitively better! > > Debian has >40,000

Re: oh no something is definitely wrong adieu debian.

2013-08-28 Thread Tom H
On Wed, 28 Aug 2013 14:31:14 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > > Join the jackd devel mailing list archive. It's not that I had issues > with a broken Debian package, since I build my own packages, it's about > breaking something that does work when build from upstream, but not when > maintainers split

Re: xfce4 and CD/DVD

2013-08-28 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Wed, 2013-08-28 at 17:21 +0200, François Patte wrote: > As Ralph says, problem is solved for kde and even gnome (gvfs used by thunar > comes from > gnome stuff, no?) and not for xfce... I don't want to install kde or > gnome, it is too expensive for such a problem Here we experience one of the

Re: apt-get upgrade problem with libenchant1c2a

2013-08-28 Thread Hugo Vanwoerkom
David Goodenough wrote: I have a sacrificial machine that I keep upto date with sid every morning. Yesterday and today I get an error:- Calculating upgrade... Failed The following packages have unmet dependencies: libenchant1c2a : Depends: aspell-en but it is not going to be installed or

Re: Re: oh no something is definitly wrong adieu debian.

2013-08-28 Thread Balamurugan
Dear Conrad, Regarding the Debian's advantage and disadvantage, any one can point but comparing two persons, their ideology is not that simple. Richard stall man stood for a nobel cause. If he hasn't taken such a project called GNU, we may have used only freeBSD and its kernel and may not be

Re: oh no something is definitly wrong adieu debian.

2013-08-28 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Wed, 2013-08-28 at 11:46 -0400, Tom H wrote: > I use Ubuntu :) then you likely will run into the same issue like me and better pretend that you don not use the best distro for your needs, since Debian is the best distro for everybody. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.de

Re: apt-get upgrade problem with libenchant1c2a

2013-08-28 Thread David Goodenough
On Wednesday 28 Aug 2013, Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote: > David Goodenough wrote: > > I have a sacrificial machine that I keep upto date with sid every > > morning. Yesterday and today I get an error:- > > > > Calculating upgrade... Failed > > > > The following packages have unmet dependencies: > > li

Re: apt-get upgrade problem with libenchant1c2a

2013-08-28 Thread Hugo Vanwoerkom
Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote: David Goodenough wrote: I have a sacrificial machine that I keep upto date with sid every morning. Yesterday and today I get an error:- Calculating upgrade... Failed The following packages have unmet dependencies: libenchant1c2a : Depends: aspell-en but it is not going

Re: apt-get upgrade problem with libenchant1c2a

2013-08-28 Thread Hugo Vanwoerkom
David Goodenough wrote: On Wednesday 28 Aug 2013, Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote: David Goodenough wrote: I have a sacrificial machine that I keep upto date with sid every morning. Yesterday and today I get an error:- Calculating upgrade... Failed The following packages have unmet dependencies: libe

Re: apt-get upgrade problem with libenchant1c2a

2013-08-28 Thread Hugo Vanwoerkom
Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote: Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote: David Goodenough wrote: I have a sacrificial machine that I keep upto date with sid every morning. Yesterday and today I get an error:- Calculating upgrade... Failed The following packages have unmet dependencies: libenchant1c2a : Depends: aspel

Re: losetup at boot

2013-08-28 Thread Erick Ocrospoma
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Re: dbus

2013-08-28 Thread Ionel Mugurel Ciobîcă
Thank you, renaming .config doesn't change anything. The folder is not even re-created. I was not aware of the existance of this .config folder. There are not new files in there... Ionel -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble?

Re: apt-get upgrade problem with libenchant1c2a

2013-08-28 Thread David Goodenough
On Wednesday 28 Aug 2013, Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote: > Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote: > > Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote: > >> David Goodenough wrote: > >>> I have a sacrificial machine that I keep upto date with sid every > >>> morning. Yesterday and today I get an error:- > >>> > >>> Calculating upgrade... Failed >

Re: oh no something is definitly wrong adieu debian.

2013-08-28 Thread Joe
On Wed, 28 Aug 2013 21:04:40 +1200 Chris Bannister wrote: > On Tue, Aug 27, 2013 at 01:29:58PM +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > > > > I explained that you can't do that, if you experience a dependency > > hell or an unstable environment. To contribute that way users and > > developers need stable up

Re: apt-get upgrade problem with libenchant1c2a

2013-08-28 Thread Sharon Kimble
On Wed, 28 Aug 2013 12:17:15 -0500 Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote: > Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote: > > Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote: > >> David Goodenough wrote: > >>> I have a sacrificial machine that I keep upto date with sid every > >>> >>> morning. Yesterday and today I get an error:- > >>> > >>> Calculating upgra

Re: What's the easiest and/or simplest part of Linux Kernel?

2013-08-28 Thread berenger . morel
Le 28.08.2013 03:36, guojzzz a écrit : The reason why I choose some *formal* projects is that I think codes are clear and there are less bugs. I will see on Github and some other projects. The assumption that clean code is bug-free is wrong. Try to read any source code of any program you think

Re: apt-get upgrade problem with libenchant1c2a

2013-08-28 Thread Hugo Vanwoerkom
Sharon Kimble wrote: On Wed, 28 Aug 2013 12:17:15 -0500 Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote: Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote: Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote: David Goodenough wrote: I have a sacrificial machine that I keep upto date with sid every morning. Yesterday and today I get an error:- Calculating upgrade... Fail

Re: oh no something is definitly wrong adieu debian.

2013-08-28 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Wed, 2013-08-28 at 19:18 +0100, Joe wrote: > I think in GTK, which makes a number of scroll bars > misbehave. There is a bug still present for current "stable" releases from upstream. Again, I use the term stable here for the official stable releases from _upstream_, not for Debian stable. Debi

Re: What's the easiest and/or simplest part of Linux Kernel?

2013-08-28 Thread Jerry Stuckle
On 8/28/2013 2:44 PM, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote: Another problem with code probably written by gurus, or which run in environments were high speed and stability is required, is that the code will be highly optimized, maybe with non-standard features, probably with lot of compilation o

Re: What's the easiest and/or simplest part of Linux Kernel?

2013-08-28 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Wed, 28 Aug 2013 22:49:29 +0200, Jerry Stuckle wrote: While I agree with much of what you said, I definitely disagree with your comments on macros. C was probably the 10th or so language I learned, close to 30 years ago. I found macros, when PROPERLY used, can be quite helpful in maki

Solved, sort of. was Re: Problems with nVidia proprietary driver

2013-08-28 Thread Lisi Reisz
On Monday 26 August 2013 23:07:29 Lisi Reisz wrote: [snip] > > I don't want to reinstall and put up with > nouveau if I can avoid it. :-( I was running out of time, so I had to scrap what I was doing and do a fresh install of Wheezy. The default nVidia driver that has been loaded automatically

Re: Problems with nVidia proprietary driver

2013-08-28 Thread Lisi Reisz
On Wednesday 28 August 2013 15:47:05 Curt wrote: > You don't need cat: > > less /var/log/Xorg.0.log That's great to know! Thank you. It's not the first time that I have come up against that problem. Hopefully I won't in the future. :-) Lisi -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@l

Re: Wireless works, wired doesn't [Debian 6.0.7]

2013-08-28 Thread Lisi Reisz
On Monday 26 August 2013 18:15:06 Robert Holtzm wrote: > I don't use ifupdown. It seems to work well with NM when its commented > out. Yes, NM likes to do its own configuring and is apt to clash with anything in /etc/network/interfaces. Lisi -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lis

Re: What's the easiest and/or simplest part of Linux Kernel?

2013-08-28 Thread Cousin Stanley
Ralf Mardorf wrote: > > Assembler always is optimized code. Not always :-) One can also write stinky code in assembler. Like any programming language, some programmers are better at it than others -- Stanley C. Kitching Human Being Phoenix, Arizona -- To UNSUBSC

Re: What's the easiest and/or simplest part of Linux Kernel?

2013-08-28 Thread berenger . morel
Le 28.08.2013 22:49, Jerry Stuckle a écrit : * which is doable in C. People saying that C can not do OOP are incompetent or lie. I do not really like C programming, but paradigm have nothing related to syntax, only with writer's minds. Some people may not like OOP, and they will be true, it is

Re: What's the easiest and/or simplest part of Linux Kernel?

2013-08-28 Thread berenger . morel
Le 29.08.2013 01:13, Cousin Stanley a écrit : Ralf Mardorf wrote: Assembler always is optimized code. Not always :-) One can also write stinky code in assembler. Like any programming language, some programmers are better at it than others -- Stanley C. Kitching