> On Sun, 10 Aug 1997, W Paul Mills said:
Paul> I do not like the idea of replying to poster, who will then
Paul> give a summary. Personally I would rather see all responses to
Paul> a thread. There is often more than one way to solve a
Paul> problem. What is best for one case may not
I like the idea of topic specific lists, rather than lists like
help, discussion, etc. Scope of topic names should be made easy
to understand for all including newbies. There have been several
suggestions here, all seem to have some merit.
I do not like the idea of putting newbies and gurus in se
On Tue, 5 Aug 1997, George Bonser wrote:
> On Tue, 5 Aug 1997, Christian Lynbech wrote:
>
> > I like the topics idea very much, if we can get people to use it (at
> > least some of the time :-). It would make it very much easier to
> > filter the group, whether it is visually or automatically. An
Yes, please create debian-help and keep it simple to use. Many of these
new users will be using whatever means they have for email access while
they try to get Debian running. I have received email that was sent from
library workstations and the like for this reason.
On 5 Aug 1997 [EMAIL PROTECTE
Christian Lynbech writes:
> This is only as an option in addition to a set of "supertopics", such as
> HELP, MAIL, X11 and MODEM.
They still have to understand that they must put a "supertopic" in the
"Subject:" line, figure out which one, and get it right. This is too
complicated. Most newbies
Mark Phillips wrote:
>
> 3. In addition to calling for package maintainers, we can also call for
> volunteers to form "Topic Teams". Each team would comprise people with
> some expertise in the topic. Hopefully people would volunteer for more
> than one team. The idea would be that you would ma
> "George" == George Bonser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
George> On Tue, 5 Aug 1997, Christian Lynbech wrote:
>>
>> However, I would to extend the proposal by adding the topics
>>
>> []
>>
George> I think that this is too complicated for people, particularly
George> newbies, to have to reme
On Tue, 5 Aug 1997, Christian Lynbech wrote:
> I like the topics idea very much, if we can get people to use it (at
> least some of the time :-). It would make it very much easier to
> filter the group, whether it is visually or automatically. And it is a
> good idea, regardless of whether the lis
Bruce Perens wrote:
> It's getting kind of loud here. I've been thinking of splitting the
> debian-user list into several lists
>
> Comments?
As others have pointed out, splitting the list could very well create more
problems than it solves. We should not go down this road without some
careful
> "Mark" == Mark Phillips <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
Mark> __What do we want to achieve?__
As I read Bruce's mail, this is also an issue of organisation. The
volume here is getting too much for one list-administrator to read
through all mails. Dividing it into two or three clearly orthogonal
debian-help is a good name. Some people are offended by newbie or novice
labels because those words are often used in conjunction with expletives
by rude netizens.
Mailing lists are a fine way to go. News postings take too long to
propagate and many ISP news servers just don't work right. Some of
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On Sat, 2 Aug 1997, Brandon Mitchell wrote:
> > > I am afraid that I am no longer capable of reading every article in
> > > the debian lists. I guess it's the price of success.
But then I don't neccessarily think you should. I think (personally) you
should help
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> you write:
>It's getting kind of loud here. I've been thinking of splitting the
>debian-user list into several lists:
>
> debian-user: user discussion
> debian-install: installation problems
> debian-novice: newbies are intimidated by other lists, so
On Fri, 1 Aug 1997, Bruce Perens wrote:
> It's getting kind of loud here. I've been thinking of splitting the
> debian-user list into several lists:
I know what you mean. Just this week I turned off a couple of other
general Linux lists I was subscribed to simply because I was dealing with
to
On 13:16:26 Randy Edwards wrote:
>>On Fri, 1 Aug 1997, Bruce Perens wrote:
>
>> It's getting kind of loud here. I've been thinking of splitting the
>> debian-user list into several lists:
>
> I know what you mean. Just this week I turned off a couple of other
>general Linux lists I was subscrib
On Aug 02, Anand Kumria wrote:
>
> > A third idea, make a debian-news. A few debian people put together some
> > pages each week summarizing the latest with debian. It could be an
> > outgoing list only, warning people of potential problems, new releases,
> > security holes, packages that need m
On Sat, 2 Aug 1997, Andreas Jellinghaus wrote:
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> you write:
> >It's getting kind of loud here. I've been thinking of splitting the
> >debian-user list into several lists:
>
> splitting one group into 3 groups will double the total traffic,
> so every group has 2/3
>> It's getting kind of loud here. I've been thinking of splitting the
>> debian-user list into several lists:
>>
>> I am afraid that I am no longer capable of reading every article in
>> the debian lists. I guess it's the price of success.
>
>I've resisted this for a while, but the time may have
> I
>forsee that a novice today, who possibly was helped very much by
>answers to his questions on debian-{novice,install}, would stay
>subscribed longer to debian-{novice,install}, to be able to
>"pay back" the support he got. At least that's how I see it.
This is exactly what I've tried to do.
I think debian-help is a good idea, but I don't think debian-install is. I
think that most install questions come from new users, who won't know which
list to post to. Debian-help should be a mailing list, and new users
should be offered an opportunity to subscribe at install time. Newsgroups
are
On Sat, Aug 2, 1997, 6:40:50 AM GMT [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>splitting up the debian-user mailing list
Just to add my two cents. I was a subscriber to the mac-wizards mailing list.
The format there is that questions are answered via direct email to the person
asking for help. Then t
>>> A third idea, make a debian-news. A few debian people put together some
>>> pages each week summarizing the latest with debian.
Couldn't debian-announce be used for this?
Regards, | Debian GNU/ __ o
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Paul,
I agree that we've had this argument before. What has changed between then
and now is that the number of postings has become 2 to 4 times what it was
before. I'm hoping that I can bring some clarity to various lists by
splitting them up.
Thanks
Bruce
--
Can you get your op
On 01:41:40 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>>Paul,
>
>I agree that we've had this argument before. What has changed between then
>and now is that the number of postings has become 2 to 4 times what it was
>before. I'm hoping that I can bring some clarity to various lists by
>splitting them up.
>
>
On Fri, 1 Aug 1997, Bruce Perens wrote:
> It's getting kind of loud here. I've been thinking of splitting the
> debian-user list into several lists:
>
> debian-user: user discussion
> debian-install: installation problems
> debian-novice: newbies are intimidated by other lists,
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On Sat, 2 Aug 1997, Randy Edwards wrote:
> >>> A third idea, make a debian-news. A few debian people put together some
> >>> pages each week summarizing the latest with debian.
>
>Couldn't debian-announce be used for this?
Weekly, or daily traffic on debi
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On Sat, 2 Aug 1997, Marcus Brinkmann wrote:
> On Aug 02, Anand Kumria wrote:
> >
> > I like the idea of a debian-news mailing list, and would think it would be
> > a good idea to gate whatever it sent to it to the debian-user mailing
> > list. Perhaps the debia
I like the idea of splitting up the lists, but I would like to support
the suggestions of the following names:
debian-discusion: general discussions
debian-help: seek and you shall find
With a `novice' and a `user' group, I believe we will see
crosspostings, since novices, being
> "George" == George Bonser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
George> I like this idea. But just so folks know, it probably won't
George> reduce traffic volume much since most of us are going to want
George> to subscribe to both lists anyhow (just so we dont miss
George> something important).
True
On Mon, 4 Aug 1997 09:33:57 +0200 (METDST), Christian Lynbech wrote:
Bruce,
I don't think it's going to make much difference. I'll wind-up subscribing
to all the lists, and between the cc: ing between them I'll receive lots
more dups...it will just be more of a bother to maintain...maybe so muc
On Mon, 4 Aug 1997, Christian Lynbech wrote:
> I like the idea of splitting up the lists, but I would like to support
> the suggestions of the following names:
>
> debian-discusion: general discussions
>
> debian-help: seek and you shall find
I like this idea. But just so folks kn
On Aug 04, Anand Kumria wrote:
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> On Sat, 2 Aug 1997, Marcus Brinkmann wrote:
>
> > On Aug 02, Anand Kumria wrote:
> > >
> > > I like the idea of a debian-news mailing list, and would think it would be
> > > a good idea to gate whatever it sent to it to the
Bruce,
You may want to consider just arbitrarily splitting the list into (say)
three. The current range of topics would remain the same but the volume
may go down 1/2 or more (approaching 2/3 asymptotically :-)).
Some list honcho(s) could summarize periodically and post to a debian
news (one-
> On Fri, 1 Aug 97 15:08 PDT, Bruce Perens said:
Bruce> [...] I've been thinking of splitting the debian-user list
Bruce> into several lists: [...]
I've been on the sun-managers list for a couple of years. They use
the "reply to the author, author sends summary" scheme of things, and
the
> "brandon" == Brandon Mitchell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> If people who read debian-{novice,help,install,newbie} set
> up a procmail filter that removes cross postings, and this
> is made known, [...]
^^
This sounds like a good idea here. What if a Debian packa
Hi,
Yes, splitting the lists will not really reduce the volume,
but it would allow people to prioritize their time by deciciding for
(in)frequenty they read a particular list.
With modern mail filters, crosspostings are not an issue.
manoj
who uses mailagent
--
Manoj
>>Alex Yukhimets wrote:
>> It's getting kind of loud here. I've been thinking of splitting the
>> debian-user list into several lists:
>>
>> debian-user: user discussion
>> debian-install: installation problems
>> debian-novice: newbies are intimidated by other lists, so here's
> > It's getting kind of loud here. I've been thinking of splitting the
> > debian-user list into several lists:
> >
> > debian-user: user discussion
> > debian-install: installation problems
> > debian-novice: newbies are intimidated by other lists, so here's
> > one of their own
On Fri, 1 Aug 1997, George Bonser wrote:
> On Fri, 1 Aug 1997, Bruce Perens wrote:
>
> > or power users "on duty" or something so that we are sure every message
>
> To be honest, I would think that something like debian-help and
> debian-install might make better newsgroups under linux.* than ma
On Fri, 1 Aug 1997, Alex Yukhimets wrote:
> > It's getting kind of loud here. I've been thinking of splitting the
> > debian-user list into several lists:
> >
> > debian-user: user discussion
> > debian-novice: newbies are intimidated by other lists, so here's
> > one of their own.
>
On Fri, 1 Aug 1997, Bruce Perens wrote:
> I am afraid that we have to get organized about this - have maintainers
> or power users "on duty" or something so that we are sure every message
> gets handled.
I could see one additional list at first, something like debian-help for
people that have pr
> In your email to me, Alex Yukhimets, you wrote:
> >
> > > It's getting kind of loud here. I've been thinking of splitting the
> > > debian-user list into several lists:
> > >
> > > debian-user: user discussion
> > > debian-install: installation problems
> > > debian-novice: newbies are i
From: Alex Yukhimets <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> And who's gonna answer their questions? I don't think many maintainers
> will sign for this list.
I am afraid that we have to get organized about this - have maintainers
or power users "on duty" or something so that we are sure every message
gets handled.
In your email to me, Alex Yukhimets, you wrote:
>
> > It's getting kind of loud here. I've been thinking of splitting the
> > debian-user list into several lists:
> >
> > debian-user: user discussion
> > debian-install: installation problems
> > debian-novice: newbies are intimidated
> It's getting kind of loud here. I've been thinking of splitting the
> debian-user list into several lists:
>
> debian-user: user discussion
> debian-install: installation problems
> debian-novice: newbies are intimidated by other lists, so here's
>one of their own.
And
It's getting kind of loud here. I've been thinking of splitting the
debian-user list into several lists:
debian-user: user discussion
debian-install: installation problems
debian-novice: newbies are intimidated by other lists, so here's
one of their own.
I am afra
On Fri, 1 Aug 1997, Bruce Perens wrote:
> It's getting kind of loud here. I've been thinking of splitting the
> debian-user list into several lists:
>
> debian-user: user discussion
> debian-install: installation problems
> debian-novice: newbies are intimidated by other lists,
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