Re: raid10 is killing me, and applications that aren't willing towait for it to respond

2023-12-16 Thread Anssi Saari
gene heskett writes: > Is this info helpful? I don't know really. I was thinking about the file dialogs or requestors and how they often try access previously used locations. For example, I've learned not to download with Firefox to a network drive. I don't know if Firefox is still like that bu

Re: raid10 is killing me, and applications that aren't willing towait for it to respond

2023-12-15 Thread Stefan Monnier
> I've no idea how to start debugging this but I feel like the problem `strace` maybe? Stefan

Re: raid10 is killing me, and applications that aren't willing towait for it to respond

2023-12-15 Thread Andy Smith
Hello, On Fri, Dec 15, 2023 at 12:00:00AM -0800, David Christensen wrote: > On 12/14/23 18:36, gene heskett wrote: > > Thunar, yes, but I don't use it, not my cup of tea. […] > It sounds like OpenSCAD and gidislicer have something in common that is > causing the issue, while the other apps do no

Re: raid10 is killing me, and applications that aren't willing towait for it to respond

2023-12-15 Thread David Christensen
On 12/14/23 18:36, gene heskett wrote: On 12/14/23 16:36, Anssi Saari wrote: gene heskett writes: It repeats per gui access. Starting a gfx program such as OpenSCAD, or qidislicer from an xfce4 terminal cli, is delayed for this similar but not always identical lag. And reports odd warnings et

Re: raid10 is killing me, and applications that aren't willing towait for it to respond

2023-12-14 Thread gene heskett
On 12/14/23 16:36, Anssi Saari wrote: gene heskett writes: It repeats per gui access. Starting a gfx program such as OpenSCAD, or qidislicer from an xfce4 terminal cli, is delayed for this similar but not always identical lag. And reports odd warnings etc while its getting ready to open its gu

Re: raid10 is killing me, and applications that aren't willing towait for it to respond

2023-12-14 Thread Anssi Saari
gene heskett writes: > It repeats per gui access. Starting a gfx program such as OpenSCAD, or > qidislicer from an xfce4 terminal cli, is delayed for this similar but > not always identical lag. And reports odd warnings etc while its > getting ready to open its gui. Does this happen with common

Re: raid10 is killing me, and applications that aren't willing towait for it to respond

2023-12-14 Thread gene heskett
On 12/14/23 04:17, Nicolas George wrote: to...@tuxteam.de (12023-12-14): I've skimmed some of the answers, and they correspond to your confusing request. Someone mentions DNS timeouts to rule them out right away (do you access your RAID over the net? Is DNS resolution involved at all?) no, and

Re: raid10 is killing me, and applications that aren't willing towait for it to respond

2023-12-14 Thread gene heskett
On 12/14/23 00:39, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: On Wed, Dec 13, 2023 at 10:26:19AM -0500, gene heskett wrote: Greetings all; I thought I was doing things right a year back when I built a raid10 for my /home partition. but I'm tired of fighting with it for access. Anything that wants to open a file o

Re: raid10 is killing me, and applications that aren't willing towait for it to respond

2023-12-13 Thread David Christensen
On 12/13/23 15:33, gene heskett wrote: gene@coyote:~$ time dd if=/dev/zero of=/home/gene/zero bs=1M count=100 oflag=sync 100+0 records in 100+0 records out 104857600 bytes (105 MB, 100 MiB) copied, 0.935655 s, 112 MB/s real    0m0.940s user    0m0.000s sys 0m0.254s Thank you for providin

Re: raid10 is killing me, and applications that aren't willing towait for it to respond

2023-12-13 Thread gene heskett
On 12/13/23 16:30, Andy Smith wrote: Hello, On Wed, Dec 13, 2023 at 10:26:19AM -0500, gene heskett wrote: I thought I was doing things right a year back when I built a raid10 for my /home partition. but I'm tired of fighting with it for access. Anything that wants to open a file on it, is subje

Re: raid10 is killing me, and applications that aren't willing towait for it to respond

2023-12-13 Thread Andrew M.A. Cater
On Wed, Dec 13, 2023 at 02:19:07PM -0500, gene heskett wrote: > On 12/13/23 13:24, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote: > > On Wed, Dec 13, 2023 at 10:26:19AM -0500, gene heskett wrote: > > > Greetings all; > > > > > > > Hi Gene, > > > > Respectfully, if I were you, I might consider tearing down one machine

Re: raid10 is killing me, and applications that aren't willing towait for it to respond

2023-12-13 Thread gene heskett
On 12/13/23 13:24, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote: On Wed, Dec 13, 2023 at 10:26:19AM -0500, gene heskett wrote: Greetings all; I thought I was doing things right a year back when I built a raid10 for my /home partition. but I'm tired of fighting with it for access. Anything that wants to open a file

Re: raid10 is killing me, and applications that aren't willing towait for it to respond

2023-12-13 Thread Pocket
On 12/13/23 13:50, Dan Ritter wrote: Pocket wrote: Many reasons If the RAID controller bites the bullet you are usually toast unless you have another RAID controller (same manufacturer and type) as a spare. mdadm, zfs and btrfs all lack this problem. Not for me as I am not going do

Re: raid10 is killing me, and applications that aren't willing towait for it to respond

2023-12-13 Thread Pocket
On 12/13/23 13:47, Nicolas George wrote: Pocket (12023-12-13): If the RAID controller Then use software RAID with a Libre implementation. Nope been there done that and I ain't doing that I found it is better to just have my data on several backup disks Yeah, backups and RAID are not

Re: raid10 is killing me, and applications that aren't willing towait for it to respond

2023-12-13 Thread Dan Ritter
Pocket wrote: > > Many reasons > > If the RAID controller bites the bullet you are usually toast unless you > have another RAID controller (same manufacturer and type) as a spare. mdadm, zfs and btrfs all lack this problem. > I have zero luck replacing one companies raid controller wit

Re: raid10 is killing me, and applications that aren't willing towait for it to respond

2023-12-13 Thread Tom Furie
gene heskett writes: > It is a separate 6 port sata controller because the mobo is out of > ports. There is no obvious lag during bios post or grub booting it. That *should* rule out DNS then, unless something really strange is going on. What does mdadm tell you about the raid device, and its c

Re: raid10 is killing me, and applications that aren't willing towait for it to respond

2023-12-13 Thread Nicolas George
Pocket (12023-12-13): > If the RAID controller Then use software RAID with a Libre implementation. > I found it is better to just have my data on several backup disks Yeah, backups and RAID are not meant to protect against the same issues, so if you think one replaces the other… > After removin

Re: raid10 is killing me, and applications that aren't willing towait for it to respond

2023-12-13 Thread Pocket
On 12/13/23 13:20, gene heskett wrote: On 12/13/23 11:51, Pocket wrote: On 12/13/23 10:26, gene heskett wrote: Greetings all; I thought I was doing things right a year back when I built a raid10 for my /home partition. but I'm tired of fighting with it for access. Anything that wants to o

Re: raid10 is killing me, and applications that aren't willing towait for it to respond

2023-12-13 Thread gene heskett
On 12/13/23 11:51, Pocket wrote: On 12/13/23 10:26, gene heskett wrote: Greetings all; I thought I was doing things right a year back when I built a raid10 for my /home partition. but I'm tired of fighting with it for access. Anything that wants to open a file on it, is subjected to a freeze

Re: raid10 is killing me, and applications that aren't willing towait for it to respond

2023-12-13 Thread gene heskett
On 12/13/23 10:41, Tom Furie wrote: gene heskett writes: I thought I was doing things right a year back when I built a raid10 for my /home partition. but I'm tired of fighting with it for access. Anything that wants to open a file on it, is subjected to a freeze of at least 30 seconds BEFORE t