Re: question about debian software development?

2025-09-27 Thread Kevin Chadwick
Ditching google is still a good idea, though. Not really a great solution atleast today. I find even startpage.com which pays Google to use their search has failed to find things that the same search on Googles site brings up. -- Regards, Kc

Re: question about debian software development?

2025-09-25 Thread didier gaumet
Le 23/09/2025 à 23:46, Karen Lewellen a écrit : Hi All, Perhaps my question speaks to Linux development generally, but it is aimed for developers here. Likely tied to Google recently losing an antitrust suit around its search tool, the company removed direct access to google search for many

Re: question about debian software development?

2025-09-25 Thread Kevin Chadwick
I don't know nor care if Google's search would give me better results: I get what I need from DDG. AFAIK the same holds (in reverse) for the vast majority of Google search users. Ufortunately not for me. I shall try DDG yet again (every year or so) mainly because on the three network on my

Re: question about debian software development?

2025-09-24 Thread Stefan Monnier
> I find even startpage.com which pays Google to use their search has > failed to find things that the same search on Googles site brings up. I expect you can say the same about any two web search services. IOW anecdotal evidence doesn't say much, here. BTW, for all you (or I) know, there's a we

Re: On search engines [was: question about debian software development?]

2025-09-24 Thread Bret Busby
On 24/9/25 20:59, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: On Wed, Sep 24, 2025 at 07:52:30AM -0500, Richard Owlett wrote: On 9/24/25 5:23 AM, Kevin Chadwick wrote: Ditching google is still a good idea, though. Not really a great solution atleast today. I find even startpage.com which pays Google to use t

On search engines [was: question about debian software development?]

2025-09-24 Thread tomas
On Wed, Sep 24, 2025 at 07:52:30AM -0500, Richard Owlett wrote: > On 9/24/25 5:23 AM, Kevin Chadwick wrote: > > > > > > > > Ditching google is still a good idea, though. > > > > > > > Not really a great solution atleast today. I find even startpage.com which > > pays Google to use their search

Re: question about debian software development?

2025-09-24 Thread Richard Owlett
On 9/24/25 5:23 AM, Kevin Chadwick wrote: Ditching google is still a good idea, though. Not really a great solution atleast today. I find even startpage.com which pays Google to use their search has failed to find things that the same search on Googles site brings up. I've been using Duck

question about debian software development?

2025-09-24 Thread Karen Lewellen
Hi All, Perhaps my question speaks to Linux development generally, but it is aimed for developers here. Likely tied to Google recently losing an antitrust suit around its search tool, the company removed direct access to google search for many lower graphics and open source browsers. Tools

Re: question about debian software development?

2025-09-24 Thread mick.crane
On 2025-09-24 03:25, Dan Ritter wrote: Karen Lewellen wrote: Instead, I am seeking, where I can actually ask the question, to get a sense of what Debian developers charge for their services. Neither the Links, or elinks developers list are places to which I have access. If being

Re: question about debian software development?

2025-09-24 Thread debian-user
Karen Lewellen wrote: > Hi Andy, > You are entitled to your opinion. > Thanks for our perspective. > If you are confused by the question, and seemingly are unqualified to > answer, perhaps simply ignore this thread then? You originally asked: "How much would it cost to

Re: question about debian software development?

2025-09-24 Thread didier gaumet
Le 24/09/2025 à 12:10, didier gaumet a écrit : [...]  a) if you do not already have a elinks.conf file, copy /home/ didier/.elinks/elinks.conf to /home/didier/.config/elinks/elinks.conf  (replacing 'didier' by your username [...] Sorry for posting this nonsense (I am absent minded), what I s

Re: question about debian software development?

2025-09-24 Thread tomas
On Wed, Sep 24, 2025 at 11:08:56AM +0200, Nicolas George wrote: > Will Mengarini (HE12025-09-24): > > FWIW, I'd also like to see this fixed. Servers usually > > have no graphics system installed, so Googling some > > random thing while standing in a server room has now become > > impossible. I've

Re: question about debian software development?

2025-09-24 Thread Jonathan Dowland
Whilst it doesn't specify rates (perhaps that's an area for improvement?), The Debian website does maintain a list of Consultants: https://www.debian.org/consultants/ -- Jonathan Dowland j...@debian.org https://jmtd.net

Re: question about debian software development?

2025-09-23 Thread Karen Lewellen
Hi Andy, Thanks for your answer. No, that is not why links and elinks no longer work on the google site for searches. However, that is not the focus of my question. Meaning I am not wishing to focus on weather the browsers are being blocked by google for reasons error messages do not

Re: question about debian software development?

2025-09-23 Thread Jeffrey Walton
On Tue, Sep 23, 2025 at 7:01 PM Karen Lewellen wrote: > > Hi Andy, > Thanks for your answer. > No, that is not why links and elinks no longer work on the google site > for searches. > However, that is not the focus of my question. > Meaning I am not wishing to focus on wea

Re: question about debian software development?

2025-09-23 Thread Andy Smith
site for > searches. > However, that is not the focus of my question. > Meaning I am not wishing to focus on weather the browsers are being blocked > by google for reasons error messages do not indicate..after all, I > personally use both browsers at amazon. > Instead, I am seekin

Re: question about debian software development?

2025-09-23 Thread Karen Lewellen
Hi Dan, This is fantastic..thanks for providing these details. Karen On Tue, 23 Sep 2025, Dan Ritter wrote: Karen Lewellen wrote: Instead, I am seeking, where I can actually ask the question, to get a sense of what Debian developers charge for their services. Neither the Links, or elinks

Re: question about debian software development?

2025-09-23 Thread Dan Ritter
Karen Lewellen wrote: > Instead, I am seeking, where I can actually ask the question, to get a > sense of what Debian developers charge for their services. > Neither the Links, or elinks developers list are places to which I have > access. > If being financially compensated,

Re: question about debian software development?

2025-09-23 Thread Andy Smith
ely now do wish that I had not spent the time. I didn't have any opinion before, but now I do. Andy On Tue, Sep 23, 2025 at 07:25:15PM -0400, Karen Lewellen wrote: > Hi Andy, > You are entitled to your opinion. > Thanks for our perspective. > If you are confused by the question, and s

Re: question about debian software development?

2025-09-23 Thread Karen Lewellen
Hi Andy, You are entitled to your opinion. Thanks for our perspective. If you are confused by the question, and seemingly are unqualified to answer, perhaps simply ignore this thread then? On Tue, 23 Sep 2025, Andy Smith wrote: Hi, In that case then, sorry I misunderstood. Even after you

Re: Help with my question, please.

2025-09-22 Thread Joe
On Mon, 22 Sep 2025 13:20:18 -0400 COMCAST wrote: > On 9/21/25 12:32, John Hasler wrote: > > Why are you trying to log in as debian? > > > > Try > > > > ssh pi@192.168.0.213 > > > > And use the same password that you have been trying. > > If that doesn't work try using raspberry as the password.

Re: Help with my question, please.

2025-09-22 Thread COMCAST
On 9/21/25 12:32, John Hasler wrote: Why are you trying to log in as debian? Try ssh pi@192.168.0.213 And use the same password that you have been trying. If that doesn't work try using raspberry as the password. If that doesn't work ask for help here: https://forums.raspberrypi.com/viewfor

Re: Help with my question, please.

2025-09-21 Thread Jeffrey Walton
On Thu, Sep 18, 2025 at 3:40 PM COMCAST wrote: > > The question is. What password am I being asked? I dearly need to know! > I've tried my servers password of "fast" and my remote password of > "raspberry". And it still gives me the same permission error..

Re: Help with my question, please.

2025-09-21 Thread Robert Heller
At Sun, 21 Sep 2025 17:20:06 -0600 td...@acm.org wrote: > > The real necessary information that would enable those on this list are not > yet available, after dozens of posts. > (I consider this top post justified by circumstances, and apologize to any > who disagree.) > > On 9/21/25 09:31, CO

Re: Help with my question, please.

2025-09-21 Thread Tom Dial
The real necessary information that would enable those on this list are not yet available, after dozens of posts. (I consider this top post justified by circumstances, and apologize to any who disagree.) On 9/21/25 09:31, COMCAST wrote: On 9/21/25 09:52, John Hasler wrote: Try https://raspbe

Re: Help with my question, please.

2025-09-21 Thread mick.crane
On 2025-09-21 16:31, COMCAST wrote: On 9/21/25 09:52, John Hasler wrote: Try https://raspberryexpert.com/raspberry-pi-default-login-password/ Thanks, it was helpful but was a nice pointer. it really didn't help me. I still get... root@debian:/usr/lib/modules# ssh debian@192.168.0.213 Debia

Re: Help with my question, please.

2025-09-21 Thread Robert Heller
At Sun, 21 Sep 2025 11:31:26 -0400 COMCAST wrote: > > > On 9/21/25 09:52, John Hasler wrote: > > Try https://raspberryexpert.com/raspberry-pi-default-login-password/ > > > Thanks, it was helpful but was a nice pointer. it really didn't help me. > I still get... > > root@debian:/usr/lib/modules# s

Re: Help with my question, please.

2025-09-21 Thread Roy J. Tellason, Sr.
On Sunday 21 September 2025 11:13:44 am Andy Smith wrote: > While routers, like other network devices, can > use ANY valid IP address, overwhelmingly they will be used on private > RFC1918 networks. When defaults are chosen, there are popular ones like > 192.168. > > …    0.1 > …    0.254 > …    1

Re: Help with my question, please.

2025-09-21 Thread Greg
On 2025-09-21, Andy Smith wrote: > Hi, > > I hesitate to post in this absolute car-crash pointless thread, but with > this it's going even further off the rails. Brevity is the soul of wit. TL;DR.

Re: Help with my question, please.

2025-09-21 Thread Gilles Mocellin
Le dimanche 21 septembre 2025, 17:31:26 heure d’été d’Europe centrale COMCAST a écrit : > On 9/21/25 09:52, John Hasler wrote: > > Try https://raspberryexpert.com/raspberry-pi-default-login-password/ > > Thanks, it was helpful but was a nice pointer. it really didn't help me. > I still get... >

Re: Help with my question, please.

2025-09-21 Thread John Hasler
Why are you trying to log in as debian? Try ssh pi@192.168.0.213 And use the same password that you have been trying. If that doesn't work try using raspberry as the password. If that doesn't work ask for help here: https://forums.raspberrypi.com/viewforum.php?f=28 You exhausted the help we ca

Re: Help with my question, please.

2025-09-21 Thread COMCAST
On 9/21/25 09:52, John Hasler wrote: Try https://raspberryexpert.com/raspberry-pi-default-login-password/ Thanks, it was helpful but was a nice pointer. it really didn't help me. I still get... root@debian:/usr/lib/modules# ssh debian@192.168.0.213 Debian GNU/Linux 12 debian@192.168.0.213

Re: mail log question

2025-09-21 Thread Kevin Chadwick
> Can you clarify: does it have fewer CVEs because Devuan is Debian without systemd and I believe it is explained by the fact that systemds coding standards are quite poor which is confirmed by analysing atleast some of the bugs. Is some explained by more new code and attention; probably. The

Re: Help with my question, please.

2025-09-21 Thread Andy Smith
hat far. There are several problems with what you've said though. For a start, that web site returns that same text for every single address within 192.168.0.0/16: https://www.findip-address.com/192.168.8.9 https://www.findip-address.com/192.168.81.92 https://www.findip-address.com/192.168.35.

Re: Help with my question, please.

2025-09-21 Thread Richard Owlett
On 9/21/25 8:22 AM, John Hasler wrote: I wrote: It wants the password for "debian" on 192.168.0.213. What is 192.168.0.213? COMCAST writes: It's the address for my attached Rasperrypi. Ask on a RaspberryPi forum. Raspberry Pi OS is derived from Debian but they make changes. I suspect t

Re: Help with my question, please.

2025-09-21 Thread John Hasler
Try https://raspberryexpert.com/raspberry-pi-default-login-password/ -- John Hasler j...@sugarbit.com Elmwood, WI USA

Re: Help with my question, please.

2025-09-21 Thread John Hasler
I wrote: > It wants the password for "debian" on 192.168.0.213. What is > 192.168.0.213? COMCAST writes: > It's the address for my attached Rasperrypi. Ask on a RaspberryPi forum. Raspberry Pi OS is derived from Debian but they make changes. -- John Hasler j...@sugarbit.com Elmwood, WI USA

Re: Help with my question, please.

2025-09-21 Thread COMCAST
On 9/18/25 12:58, John Hasler wrote: It wants the password for "debian" on 192.168.0.213. What is 192.168.0.213? It's the address for my attached Rasperrypi.

Re: Help with my question, please.

2025-09-20 Thread Jerry McBride
Sent by iPhone 7. > On Sep 18, 2025, at 16:46, debian-u...@howorth.org.uk wrote: > > COMCAST wrote: >> The question is. What password am I being asked? I dearly need to >> know! I've tried my servers password of "fast" and my remote >> password

Re: mail log question

2025-09-20 Thread Vincent Lefevre
On 2025-09-12 14:22:34 +0200, Markus Schönhaber wrote: > If you just want to see all "mail-related" messages with journalctl, you > can use > > $ journalctl --facility mail Indeed, thanks a lot! > That doesn't help with journalctl's slowness if the journal has grown > big, of course. It actuall

Re: Help with my question, please.

2025-09-19 Thread John Hasler
Please answer the other questions you've been asked. Until you do so we cannot help you. -- John Hasler j...@sugarbit.com Elmwood, WI USA

Re: Help with my question, please.

2025-09-18 Thread Michael Paoli
On Thu, Sep 18, 2025 at 9:33 AM COMCAST wrote: > The question is. What password am I being asked? It would appear you're attempting to ssh in to access user debian on whatever that ssh server on 192.186.0.213 is on or connected to. 192.168.0.0/16 is RFC 1918 Address Allocation for

Re: Help with my question, please.

2025-09-18 Thread John Hasler
This thread may be of interest: https://forums.raspberrypi.com/viewtopic.php?t=389228&hilit=default+password&sid=229698e6880c32cea798cd7e8f30f419 -- John Hasler j...@sugarbit.com Elmwood, WI USA

Re: Help with my question, please.

2025-09-18 Thread John Hasler
Are you saying that the computer that you are attempting to ssh to is a Raspberry Pi? If so it would be much better to ask on a Raspberry Pi forum. Raspberry Pi OS is derived from Debian but they make changes. Look at https://forums.raspberrypi.com/ -- John Hasler j...@sugarbit.com Elmwood, WI

Re: Help with my question, please.

2025-09-18 Thread COMCAST
On 9/18/25 15:53, Joe wrote: On Thu, 18 Sep 2025 14:28:50 -0400 (EDT) Robert Heller wrote: If it is a beagle board. the password is debian. Raspberry was mentioned, which used to be the default password of the default user pi on the Raspberry Pi, but I think the policy has changed recently

Re: Help with my question, please.

2025-09-18 Thread Kevin Chadwick
On 18/09/2025 17:40, COMCAST wrote: The question is. What password am I being asked? I dearly need to know! I've tried my servers password of  "fast" and my remote password of "raspberry". And it still gives me the same permission error.. root@debian:/etc/ssh# ssh de

Re: Help with my question, please.

2025-09-18 Thread debian-user
COMCAST wrote: > The question is. What password am I being asked? I dearly need to > know! I've tried my servers password of  "fast" and my remote > password of "raspberry". And it still gives me the same permission > error.. > > > root@debian:/

Re: Help with my question, please.

2025-09-18 Thread Joe
On Thu, 18 Sep 2025 14:28:50 -0400 (EDT) Robert Heller wrote: > If it is a beagle board. the password is debian. > Raspberry was mentioned, which used to be the default password of the default user pi on the Raspberry Pi, but I think the policy has changed recently. -- Joe

Re: Help with my question, please.

2025-09-18 Thread Robert Heller
If it is a beagle board. the password is debian. At Thu, 18 Sep 2025 11:58:12 -0500 j...@sugarbit.com (John Hasler) wrote: > > It wants the password for "debian" on 192.168.0.213. What is > 192.168.0.213? -- Robert Heller -- Cell: 413-658-7953 GV: 978-633-5364 Deepwoods Software

Re: Help with my question, please.

2025-09-18 Thread tomas
On Thu, Sep 18, 2025 at 12:59:13PM -0500, John Hasler wrote: > Are you subscribed to the debian-user mailing list? If not you won't > see any of the replies you've gotten unless people cc you. They are not, it seems. (no LDOSUBSCRIBER in the spam status). That is why I usually group-reply here, i

Re: Help with my question, please.

2025-09-18 Thread Joe
On Thu, 18 Sep 2025 12:15:29 -0400 COMCAST wrote: > The question is. What password am I being asked? I dearly need to > know! I've tried my servers password of  "fast" and my remote > password of "raspberry". And it still gives me the same permission > erro

Re: Help with my question, please.

2025-09-18 Thread John Hasler
Are you subscribed to the debian-user mailing list? If not you won't see any of the replies you've gotten unless people cc you. In any case you've give far too little information. -- John Hasler j...@sugarbit.com Elmwood, WI USA

Re: Help with my question, please.

2025-09-18 Thread Greg Wooledge
On Thu, Sep 18, 2025 at 13:19:52 -0400, COMCAST wrote: > Still I've have to ask again... 192.168.*.* is a private network address. This is one of YOUR machines. We have no idea what machine this is or what its usernames and passwords are. We don't even know what client you're running "ssh" from,

Re: Help with my question, please.

2025-09-18 Thread COMCAST
On 9/18/25 12:40, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: On Thu, Sep 18, 2025 at 12:15:29PM -0400, COMCAST wrote: The question is. What password am I being asked? I dearly need to know! I've tried my servers password of  "fast" and my remote password of "raspberry". And it still giv

Help with my question, please.

2025-09-18 Thread COMCAST
The question is. What password am I being asked? I dearly need to know! I've tried my servers password of  "fast" and my remote password of "raspberry". And it still gives me the same permission error.. root@debian:/etc/ssh# ssh debian@192.168.0.213 Debian GNU/Linux

Re: Help with my question, please.

2025-09-18 Thread tomas
On Thu, Sep 18, 2025 at 12:15:29PM -0400, COMCAST wrote: > The question is. What password am I being asked? I dearly need to know! I've > tried my servers password of  "fast" and my remote password of "raspberry". > And it still gives me the same permission er

Re: Help with my question, please.

2025-09-18 Thread John Hasler
It wants the password for "debian" on 192.168.0.213. What is 192.168.0.213? -- John Hasler j...@sugarbit.com Elmwood, WI USA

mail log question

2025-09-17 Thread Rob Hoo
Hello I am using debian 12: $ lsb_release -cd No LSB modules are available. Description:Debian GNU/Linux 12 (bookworm) Codename: bookworm I found that after I installed postfix by apt, mail.log was not appeared in /var/log/. do you know how can I check the mail log then? Thanks.

Re: mail log question

2025-09-15 Thread Greg Wooledge
On Wed, Sep 10, 2025 at 11:37:22 -, Kevin Chadwick wrote: > > > > I will try to install rsyslog by first. thanks Greg. > > Another option is Devuan (Debian without systemd) which has less CVEs > anyway. Suggesting that someone replace their *entire* operating system just because Debian no lo

Re: Subject: Question About Using Debian OS in Vietnam

2025-09-13 Thread Charles Curley
On Sat, 13 Sep 2025 16:42:58 +0300 Tran Duc Minh wrote: > I would like to ask if people in Vietnam can use Debian OS without any > restrictions. I am very interested in using Debian and want to make > sure it is fully available and supported in my country. As far as Debian is concerned, there ar

Re: Subject: Question About Using Debian OS in Vietnam

2025-09-13 Thread Tuxifan
for display and input. For documentation, check https://wiki.debian.org, and for community support always feel free to post your questions on this mailing list. Hope this helps Tuxifan On Saturday, September 13, 2025 3:42:58 PM Central European Summer Time Tran Duc Minh wrote: > Subject: Quest

Subject: Question About Using Debian OS in Vietnam

2025-09-13 Thread Tran Duc Minh
Subject: Question About Using Debian OS in Vietnam Dear Debian Team, I hope this message finds you well. I would like to ask if people in Vietnam can use Debian OS without any restrictions. I am very interested in using Debian and want to make sure it is fully available and supported in my

Re: mail log question

2025-09-12 Thread Markus Schönhaber
journalctl(1). Specifically, a command like >>> >>> journalctl -u postfix >>> >>> where "postfix" is the systemd service name in question, will show you >>> the logs for that service. >> >> No, this is incorrect, at least on bo

Re: mail log question

2025-09-12 Thread Vincent Lefevre
On 2025-09-12 08:05:58 -0400, Greg Wooledge wrote: > The other thing you might need to know is that you can get different > levels of verbosity when you run the journalctl command as root vs. > non-root. When you "only" got the Starting and Finished messages, > I'm betting you ran the journalctl c

Re: mail log question

2025-09-12 Thread Vincent Lefevre
On 2025-09-12 16:10:38 +0200, Vincent Lefevre wrote: > On 2025-09-12 09:53:31 -0400, Greg Wooledge wrote: > > hobbit:~$ journalctl -u ssh > > Hint: You are currently not seeing messages from other users and the system. > > Users in groups 'adm', 'systemd-journal' can see all messages. > >

Re: mail log question

2025-09-12 Thread Vincent Lefevre
On 2025-09-12 16:17:32 +0200, Markus Schönhaber wrote: > I remembered differently. And since I tend to make sure that the journal > doesn't grow too big nowadays, I didn't expect a noticeable difference > on my machines. Should have checked before presenting something as a > fact, though... Timing

Re: mail log question

2025-09-12 Thread Nicolas George
Greg Wooledge (HE12025-09-12): > Users in groups 'adm', 'systemd-journal' can see all messages. Not root, users in these groups. Though how you managed to install your system and get yourself authorized for sudo bot not at least in the adm group is anybody's guess. Regards, -- Nicolas

Re: mail log question

2025-09-12 Thread Markus Schönhaber
12.09.25, 15:50 +0200, Vincent Lefevre: > On 2025-09-12 14:22:34 +0200, Markus Schönhaber wrote: >> If you just want to see all "mail-related" messages with journalctl, you >> can use >> >> $ journalctl --facility mail > > Indeed, thanks a lot! > >> That doesn't help with journalctl's slowness i

Re: mail log question

2025-09-12 Thread John Hasler
Greg writes: > I don't have postfix installed on a system with systemd/journal > logging, so I can't directly demonstrate everything. I'm relying on > people to do some things correctly on their own. I do. toncho/~/polo 20 journalctl --facility mail Hint: You are currently not seeing messages fr

Re: mail log question

2025-09-12 Thread Vincent Lefevre
On 2025-09-12 09:53:31 -0400, Greg Wooledge wrote: > hobbit:~$ journalctl -u ssh > Hint: You are currently not seeing messages from other users and the system. > Users in groups 'adm', 'systemd-journal' can see all messages. > Pass -q to turn off this notice. > -- No entries -- > hobbit

Re: mail log question

2025-09-12 Thread Greg Wooledge
On Fri, Sep 12, 2025 at 15:36:35 +0200, Vincent Lefevre wrote: > On 2025-09-12 08:05:58 -0400, Greg Wooledge wrote: > > The other thing you might need to know is that you can get different > > levels of verbosity when you run the journalctl command as root vs. > > non-root. When you "only" got the

Re: mail log question

2025-09-12 Thread Kevin Chadwick
The other thing you might need to know is that you can get different levels of verbosity when you run the journalctl command as root vs. non-root. When you "only" got the Starting and Finished messages, I'm betting you ran the journalctl command as a non-root user. Try it as root. Which co

Re: mail log question

2025-09-12 Thread Greg Wooledge
gt; > > journalctl -u postfix > > > > where "postfix" is the systemd service name in question, will show you > > the logs for that service. > > No, this is incorrect, at least on bookworm (it gives just a few logs): > > Sep 08 01:50:46 joooj systemd[1]

Re: mail log question

2025-09-12 Thread Vincent Lefevre
On 2025-09-09 22:20:01 -0400, Greg Wooledge wrote: > Or, if you don't care about those files and just want to read the systemd > log files, you can use journalctl(1). Specifically, a command like > > journalctl -u postfix > > where "postfix" is the syste

Re: mail log question

2025-09-10 Thread Kevin Chadwick
I will try to install rsyslog by first. thanks Greg. Another option is Devuan (Debian without systemd) which has less CVEs anyway. -- Regards, Kc

Re: mail log question

2025-09-10 Thread Nicolas George
Kevin Chadwick (HE12025-09-10): > Another option is Devuan (Debian without systemd) which has less CVEs > anyway. Can you clarify: does it have fewer CVEs because it has fewer security flaws, or does it have fewer CVEs because it has all the security flaws in Debian but nobody bothered to register

Re: mail log question

2025-09-09 Thread Rob Hoo
On 2025-09-10 10:20, Greg Wooledge wrote: > On Wed, Sep 10, 2025 at 01:25:33 +, Rob Hoo wrote: >> I found that after I installed postfix by apt, mail.log was not appeared >> in /var/log/. >> >> do you know how can I check the mail log then? > > Is the rsyslog package installed? It's not inst

Re: mail log question

2025-09-09 Thread Greg Wooledge
ses, so you would need to add it in order to get human-readable log files under /var/log. Or, if you don't care about those files and just want to read the systemd log files, you can use journalctl(1). Specifically, a command like journalctl -u postfix where "postfix" is the

Re: Limitations of rsnapshot-style backups (Was: Re: lazy old guy asks question)

2025-09-04 Thread Gareth Evans
On Mon 01/09/2025 at 21:14, David Christensen wrote: > ... (The last time I checked, OpenZFS native encryption has open issues that > I find unsuitable for production.) Some interesting recent discussion on a major issue (data corruption resulting from non-raw sends of zfs-native-encrypted snap

Re: Question: Using USB Wi-Fi adapters with older Debian versions

2025-09-03 Thread Anssi Saari
John Scott writes: > P.S. In hindsight this email is overly verbose and detailed, perhaps > intimidating, but it's good to have this detailed information in the > list archives for future questions so I'm leaving it. This was great, thank you very much!

Re: Question: Using USB Wi-Fi adapters with older Debian versions

2025-09-03 Thread Charles Curley
On Mon, 01 Sep 2025 20:24:59 + John Scott wrote: > • can it be used during the installation with the Debian Installer > such as for fetching packages over the network[.] > > To the second question, I don't think it's tested very often, but in > principle it ough

Re: Limitations of rsnapshot-style backups (Was: Re: lazy old guy asks question)

2025-09-03 Thread Karl Vogel
>> On Mon 01 Sep 2025 at 16:15:39 (-0400), David Christensen wrote: > a. Set the ZFS backup file system property "dedup". This will enable > block-level de-duplication, which can de-duplicate data more than hard > links alone. This option eats RAM like candy, so make sure you have plenty. >

Re: Limitations of rsnapshot-style backups (Was: Re: lazy old guy asks question)

2025-09-03 Thread debian-user
Andy Smith wrote: > This is the killer for non-trivial use of rsync-based backup methods. > Traversing a directory tree of millions of inodes is expensive. That depends an awful lot on the choice of filesystem. ext4 is hopeless. I found XFS to be quite good, as was reiserfs back in the day.

Re: Limitations of rsnapshot-style backups (Was: Re: lazy old guy asks question)

2025-09-02 Thread David Christensen
On 9/2/25 17:41, Dan Ritter wrote: From what I have seen on FreeBSD ZFS, under load ZFS can consume as much memory as it needs. For storage servers, this is exactly what I want -- I paid for that memory, I want ZFS to use it. But, I have little experience with ZFS on workstations; where many p

Re: Limitations of rsnapshot-style backups (Was: Re: lazy old guy asks question)

2025-09-02 Thread Dan Ritter
David Christensen wrote: > On 9/1/25 14:57, Karl Vogel wrote: > > > > On Mon 01 Sep 2025 at 16:15:39 (-0400), David Christensen wrote: > > > a. Set the ZFS backup file system property "dedup". This will enable > > > block-level de-duplication, which can de-duplicate data more than hard > > > lin

Re: Limitations of rsnapshot-style backups (Was: Re: lazy old guy asks question)

2025-09-02 Thread David Christensen
On 9/2/25 16:48, Dan Ritter wrote: It would be interesting to know the OpenZFS developers' opinion of dedup for backup workloads, including special vdev class vs. dedup vdev class. That is addressed at the end, and, in particular, you should note the bit about reflinks... which for any workload

Re: Limitations of rsnapshot-style backups (Was: Re: lazy old guy asks question)

2025-09-02 Thread David Christensen
On 9/2/25 11:12, Andy Smith wrote: Hi, Hello. :-) On Tue, Sep 02, 2025 at 09:05:39AM -0400, Dan Ritter wrote: David Christensen wrote: a. Set the ZFS backup file system property "dedup". This will enable block-level de-duplication, which can de-duplicate data more than hard links alone

Re: Limitations of rsnapshot-style backups (Was: Re: lazy old guy asks question)

2025-09-02 Thread David Christensen
On 9/2/25 06:05, Dan Ritter wrote: David Christensen wrote: a. Set the ZFS backup file system property "dedup". This will enable block-level de-duplication, which can de-duplicate data more than hard links alone. This is generally not a good thing to recommend; one of the authors of the sys

Re: Limitations of rsnapshot-style backups (Was: Re: lazy old guy asks question)

2025-09-02 Thread David Christensen
On 9/1/25 14:57, Karl Vogel wrote: On Mon 01 Sep 2025 at 16:15:39 (-0400), David Christensen wrote: a. Set the ZFS backup file system property "dedup". This will enable block-level de-duplication, which can de-duplicate data more than hard links alone. This option eats RAM like candy, so

Re: Limitations of rsnapshot-style backups (Was: Re: lazy old guy asks question)

2025-09-02 Thread Andy Smith
Hi, On Tue, Sep 02, 2025 at 09:05:39AM -0400, Dan Ritter wrote: > David Christensen wrote: > > a. Set the ZFS backup file system property "dedup". This will enable > > block-level de-duplication, which can de-duplicate data more than hard links > > alone. > > This is generally not a good thing

Re: Limitations of rsnapshot-style backups (Was: Re: lazy old guy asks question)

2025-09-02 Thread Dan Ritter
David Christensen wrote: > On 9/2/25 06:05, Dan Ritter wrote: > > David Christensen wrote: > > > > > > a. Set the ZFS backup file system property "dedup". This will enable > > > block-level de-duplication, which can de-duplicate data more than hard > > > links > > > alone. > > > > This is gen

Re: Limitations of rsnapshot-style backups (Was: Re: lazy old guy asks question)

2025-09-02 Thread Dan Ritter
David Christensen wrote: > > a. Set the ZFS backup file system property "dedup". This will enable > block-level de-duplication, which can de-duplicate data more than hard links > alone. This is generally not a good thing to recommend; one of the authors of the system wrote a good article which

Re: Question: Using USB Wi-Fi adapters with older Debian versions

2025-09-01 Thread Roy J. Tellason, Sr.
the very limited screen and keyboard of the cash register I was working on. I don't recall details of the hardware, or whether it was particularly limited, but the OS in question was RH 7! I've been running linux since 1999, and one thing that I've noticed is that newer ver

Re: Question: Using USB Wi-Fi adapters with older Debian versions

2025-09-01 Thread John Scott
lled system • can it be used during the installation with the Debian Installer such as for fetching packages over the network To the second question, I don't think it's tested very often, but in principle it ought to and I'll try to do a test after sending this mail. Hereafter

Re: Limitations of rsnapshot-style backups (Was: Re: lazy old guy asks question)

2025-09-01 Thread David Christensen
On 8/31/25 16:05, Andy Smith wrote: On Sun, Aug 31, 2025 at 12:20:05PM -, Greg wrote: On 2025-08-29, Andy Smith wrote: For non-trivial amounts of files I would not recommend rsnapshot or any other rsync-based backup system in 2025. Can we know why not (rsnapshot) I've written about it

Limitations of rsnapshot-style backups (Was: Re: lazy old guy asks question)

2025-08-31 Thread Andy Smith
Hi, On Sun, Aug 31, 2025 at 12:20:05PM -, Greg wrote: > On 2025-08-29, Andy Smith wrote: > > > > I have more than 20 years of experience using rsnpashot. For non-trivial > > amounts of files I would not recommend rsnapshot or any other > > rsync-based backup system in 2025. "Non-trivial" is s

Re: lazy old guy asks question

2025-08-31 Thread Greg
On 2025-08-29, Andy Smith wrote: > > I have more than 20 years of experience using rsnpashot. For non-trivial > amounts of files I would not recommend rsnapshot or any other > rsync-based backup system in 2025. "Non-trivial" is still a pretty large > amount though and rsnapshot does have the extre

Re: lazy old guy asks question

2025-08-30 Thread David Christensen
On 8/30/25 07:45, mick.crane wrote: Hi, I've numerous PCs, old but seem quick enough for me. pfsense one ~120Gb disk Bookworm PC one ~200Gb disk doing Webmail with apache also offering links to documents and that. Bookworm PC one ~200Gb disk and a 3Tb disk mounted in fstab that I work on. Bookw

Re: lazy old guy asks question

2025-08-30 Thread Roy J. Tellason, Sr.
On Friday 29 August 2025 02:14:12 pm alain williams wrote: > On Fri, Aug 29, 2025 at 02:15:29PM -0400, Roy J. Tellason, Sr. wrote: > > On Friday 29 August 2025 07:16:19 am Greg Wooledge wrote: > > > There are backup suites > > > that build on top of rsync, giving you a way to store many backups > >

Re: lazy old guy asks question

2025-08-30 Thread mick.crane
On 2025-08-29 23:53, Andy Smith wrote: Also are these three disks currently in three operating bootable other machines, or do you have three disks in one machine and you boot and choose between them via the bootloader, i.e. only one of them is in use at any given time? And are all these disks i

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