Hi Folks,
Going to ask about this in a few places. If you know of a prospect, send them
to me off list.
I have an associate who lives in Malta and wishes to learn the Python
Programming language. They prefer a teacher, can pay for the work, and seek to
work with someone who understands
I probably shouldn't prolong this thread but...
Maybe this cartoon will help:
https://blog.toggl.com/save-princess-8-programming-languages/
More seriously, I was recently asked which languages to learn and I
wrote up a list of what I thought was important. See below.
On 18/10/2019
Dan Ritter wrote:
> deloptes wrote:
>> SQL, Python, PERL, C/C++, JAVA. I wonder why I did not see PHP ... but
>> well.
>
> For about a decade, PHP was the province of people who copied
> scripts from Matt's Script Archive and didn't know what security
> holes they were creating.
>
> Sometime in
deloptes wrote:
> SQL, Python, PERL, C/C++, JAVA. I wonder why I did not see PHP ... but well.
For about a decade, PHP was the province of people who copied
scripts from Matt's Script Archive and didn't know what security
holes they were creating.
Sometime in the last five years or so, the PHP c
John Hasler wrote:
> Joe writes:
> > Spend an hour or two with the job advertisements (which is what the OP
> > needs to do) to see the enormous range of what employers *think* they
> > want, and this is what the young ladies in HR will definitely require
> > of an applicant.
>
> Especially amusi
On Sat, 2019-10-19 at 09:46 -0500, John Hasler wrote:
> deloptes writes:
> > SQL comes everywhere handy...
>
> SQL is certainly handy, but I don't consider it a programming language
> (likewise HTML).
About 20 years ago I wrote and tested a match-merge update program w
On 2019-10-19 08:11, Thomas Schmitt wrote:
Have a nice day :)
cheers
mick
--
Key ID4BFEBB31
On Saturday 19 October 2019 08:38:15 John Hasler wrote:
> Joe quotes:
> > "If you think you need to use floating point, you don't fully
> > understand your application."
>
> Right. There isn't anything you can't do with bignum.
>
> I wrote software for control systems using cpus such as the RCA 1
On Sat, 19 Oct 2019 15:34:06 +0200
deloptes wrote:
> Joe wrote:
>
> > And it's not so much fundamental languages as the buzzwords, the
> > frameworks, 'agile' programming, AJAX, and things like proprietary
> > CMS (C for both content and customer)
Thomas D Dial writes:
> FORTRAN is somewhat similar, but has a smaller, more stable, and mors
> specialized application space and often, I think, is maintained by the
> successors of the program users who wrote it originally. A good deal
> of it may, by now, have been replaced by C, C++, Python, or
guage
> > on an AS/400)
> >
> > RPG/400 (both OPM and ILE)
> >
> > CL (on AS/400s; it's like a shell script, only compiled).
> >
> > Java
> >
> > I've forgotten just about all the SmallTalk I ever learned.
> >
> >
deloptes writes:
> SQL comes everywhere handy...
SQL is certainly handy, but I don't consider it a programming language
(likewise HTML).
If you *do* consider HTML a programming language the crawling horrors
that most Web sites send out make the worst BASIC spaghetti balls look
like somet
On 10/19/2019 08:26 AM, deloptes wrote:
[SNIP]
SQL comes
everywhere handy, because you have to store the data somewhere - but still
there is difference between Oracle, MySQL/MariaDB or sqlite. Each one has
its advantages and disadvantages - and SQL for the one is likely not
compatible with SQL fo
Joe wrote:
> And it's not so much fundamental languages as the buzzwords, the
> frameworks, 'agile' programming, AJAX, and things like proprietary CMS
> (C for both content and customer) systems. Nobody ever asks for basic
> programming skills.
You are sooo right,
Joe wrote:
> Seriously? BASIC worse than Hollerith strings? It was 45 years ago, but
> I still remember...
Indeed - I have the feeling here only people from the home for the elderly
(Seniorenheim) are posting - BASIC, COBOL, PASCAL ... OMG
Though I must admit there were some good posts around -
Joe quotes:
> "If you think you need to use floating point, you don't fully
> understand your application."
Right. There isn't anything you can't do with bignum.
I wrote software for control systems using cpus such as the RCA 1802.
You can do a lot more with 8 bit integers than seems possible at
Joe writes:
> Spend an hour or two with the job advertisements (which is what the OP
> needs to do) to see the enormous range of what employers *think* they
> want, and this is what the young ladies in HR will definitely require
> of an applicant.
Especially amusing are the ads that demand five ye
Hi,
Joe wrote:
> "If you think you need to use floating point, you don't fully
> understand your application."
+0.9
Have a nice day :)
Thomas
On Sat, 19 Oct 2019 11:09:06 +0200
"Thomas Schmitt" wrote:
> Hi,
>
> John Hasler wrote:
> > > FORTRAN on 1620s and 370s,
>
> Joe wrote:
> > Seriously? BASIC worse than Hollerith strings?
>
> 212H Of course you don't do string processing in FORTRAN. It's for
> problems which you can solve b
Hi,
John Hasler wrote:
> > FORTRAN on 1620s and 370s,
Joe wrote:
> Seriously? BASIC worse than Hollerith strings?
212H Of course you don't do string processing in FORTRAN. It's for problems
which you can solve by representing everything as homogeneous coordinates
and then computing the result by
On Fri, 18 Oct 2019 17:34:57 -0500
John Hasler wrote:
> I guess some people who started with BASIC do eventually recover.
>
And then you say:
> FORTRAN on 1620s and 370s,
Seriously? BASIC worse than Hollerith strings? It was 45 years ago, but
I still remember...
--
Joe
On Fri, 18 Oct 2019 22:50:29 +0100
Brian wrote:
>
> > Top 7 Programming Languages That Employers Really Want
>
> Nobody has answered the question yet.
>
Because there isn't an answer.
Spend an hour or two with the job advertisements (which is what the OP
; Turritopsis Dohrnii
>
> Jellyfish. Hard to grasp.
>
> > How long will it take
>
> Where's that piece of string?
>
> > Top 7 Programming Languages That Employers Really Want
>
> Nobody has answered the question yet.
It was in the survey - this whole thread was teaser to go and read the
survey.
gt; MI (it's the closest you are allowed to get to a true assembler language
> on an AS/400)
>
> RPG/400 (both OPM and ILE)
>
> CL (on AS/400s; it's like a shell script, only compiled).
>
> Java
>
> I've forgotten just about all the SmallTalk I ever
rhkra...@gmail.com wrote:
> Never did much Perl, but I think anything (well, not sure about obfuscated
> C) is more readable than APL.
I am not sure if it makes sense to compare a modern car engine with one
constructed 150y ago.
; "overloading or inheritance. Encapsulation and aggregation"
> mean in programming context
Object orientation is a design pattern for programming. Invented already
in the 1950s, it long time carved a miserable existence in
let-the-machine-burst languages like Simula or Smalltalk. In
On 18/10/2019 15:33, Turritopsis Dohrnii Teo En Ming wrote:
This is just a quick survey. May I know what programming languages do
you know? I am considering being a programmer or developer.
How long will it take for me to master a programming language like
C++, Java, and Python?
Mastery is a
On Friday, October 18, 2019 06:33:19 PM Jeremy Nicoll wrote:
> Perl is a whole lot more readable than APL.
Never did much Perl, but I think anything (well, not sure about obfuscated C)
is more readable than APL.
's like a shell script, only compiled).
Java
I've forgotten just about all the SmallTalk I ever learned.
I can get by in SQL.
The more programming languages you know, the easier it is to pick up
additional programming languages. And the less likely you are to treat
your favorite la
On Fri, 18 Oct 2019, at 23:34, John Hasler wrote:
> I guess some people who started with BASIC do eventually recover.
It's not all that bad.
At my first place of employment, we ran WATERLOO BASIC (from the
University of Waterloo) for students to learn how to program.
This was on an IBM mainfra
Thomas writes:
> The only right way is to work down from a BASIC on ROM, which is said
> to have in part been coded by William Henry Gates III himself, to a
> self-made assembler, and then back to Rocky Mountain BASIC on HP
> desktops. Finally you move to a Unix workstation (16 MHz and 4 MB of
> R
This discussion is spammed across a whole bunch of linux dstro mail lists.
On Fri, 18 Oct 2019, at 19:56, ghe wrote:
> Pascal teaches you to think good thoughts. It's was a wonderful language
> to learn back in the late 1970s.
Yes, or Algol...
> Perl's mantra is "There's more than one way to do
On Fri 18 Oct 2019 at 23:22:37 (+0200), Thomas Schmitt wrote:
> Doug McGarrett wrote:
> > [...] and I learned to use BASIC.
>
> And ? Any recognizable damage left ? :o)
>
> > (This was in the days when we had
> > an acoustic modem and a Teletype machine, and the mainframe was
> > 1500 miles away!
On Fri 18 Oct 2019 at 13:26:03 -0400, Doug McGarrett wrote:
>
>
> On 10/18/2019 09:31 AM, Dan Ritter wrote:
> > Turritopsis Dohrnii Teo En Ming wrote:
> > > Subject: Top 7 Programming Languages That Employers Really Want
> > >
> > > This is just a
tion"
mean in programming context
not being very good at this stuff.
Any chance of expanding this thinking in design stage ?
mick
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Key ID4BFEBB31
it, step by step, before you write a word of code, regardless of the coding
> language!
That's what i did on my Texas Instruments TI-58C with its math assembler
language and merciless programming interface.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TI-59_/_TI-58
But with a text editor i write
On Fri, 18 Oct 2019 13:26:03 -0400
Doug McGarrett wrote:
> On 10/18/2019 09:31 AM, Dan Ritter wrote:
> > Turritopsis Dohrnii Teo En Ming wrote:
> >> Subject: Top 7 Programming Languages That Employers Really Want
> >>
> >> This is just a quick survey. M
On 10/18/19 11:44 AM, hdv@gmail wrote:
> On 18/10/2019 19.26, Doug McGarrett wrote:
>
> ...
>
>> I'm not sure if any Pascal compilers are still available, but
>> Turbo was the most popular back when. Until the last version
>> came out, and it was too complicated for its own good.
>
> Forgive me
On Fri, 18 Oct 2019, Doug McGarrett wrote:
> Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2019 13:26:03
> From: Doug McGarrett
> To: Dan Ritter ,
> Turritopsis Dohrnii Teo En Ming
> Cc: debian-user@lists.debian.org
> Subject: Re: Top 7 Programming Languages That Employers Really Want
> Resent-D
On 18/10/2019 19.26, Doug McGarrett wrote:
...
> I'm not sure if any Pascal compilers are still available, but
> Turbo was the most popular back when. Until the last version
> came out, and it was too complicated for its own good.
Forgive me for barging in, but I just had to answer that.
Sure t
On 10/18/2019 09:31 AM, Dan Ritter wrote:
Turritopsis Dohrnii Teo En Ming wrote:
Subject: Top 7 Programming Languages That Employers Really Want
This is just a quick survey. May I know what programming languages do
you know? I am considering being a programmer or developer.
How long will it
Turritopsis Dohrnii Teo En Ming wrote:
> Subject: Top 7 Programming Languages That Employers Really Want
>
> This is just a quick survey. May I know what programming languages do
> you know? I am considering being a programmer or developer.
> How long will it take for me to maste
Subject: Top 7 Programming Languages That Employers Really Want
Good day from Singapore,
Article: Top 7 Programming Languages That Employers Really Want
Author: Nick Kolakowski
Date Published: 14 October 2019
Link:
https://insights.dice.com/2019/10/14/7-programming-languages-employers-want
On 7/25/19 11:27 PM, Carl Fink wrote:
On 7/25/19 11:23 PM, deb wrote:
On 7/25/19 6:45 PM, Carl Fink wrote:
Is there any specific reason you don't just use mod_python, to
remove the overhead of a CGI script?
Lack of knowledge only.
If I can use mod_python to get that one script to run,
On 7/25/19 11:23 PM, deb wrote:
On 7/25/19 6:45 PM, Carl Fink wrote:
Is there any specific reason you don't just use mod_python, to remove
the overhead of a CGI script?
Lack of knowledge only.
If I can use mod_python to get that one script to run, I'd be mighty
happy.
I could not find
On 7/25/19 6:45 PM, Carl Fink wrote:
On 7/25/19 5:06 PM, Joel Roth wrote:
On Wed, Jul 24, 2019 at 02:16:09PM -0400, deb wrote:
I have a large static html/AJAX .js apache2 site.
If I want to have a server-side script just to
handle a contact and push mail out;
is there a non-(Django/cgi**/F
On 7/25/19 5:06 PM, Joel Roth wrote:
On Wed, Jul 24, 2019 at 02:16:09PM -0400, deb wrote:
I have a large static html/AJAX .js apache2 site.
If I want to have a server-side script just to
handle a contact and push mail out;
is there a non-(Django/cgi**/Flask) way to
run a small Python3 script t
On Wed, Jul 24, 2019 at 02:16:09PM -0400, deb wrote:
>
> I have a large static html/AJAX .js apache2 site.
>
> If I want to have a server-side script just to
> handle a contact and push mail out;
> is there a non-(Django/cgi**/Flask) way to
> run a small Python3 script to do this?
What not cgi?
I have a large static html/AJAX .js apache2 site.
If I want to have a server-side script just to
handle a contact and push mail out;
is there a non-(Django/cgi**/Flask) way to
run a small Python3 script to do this?
The python3 mail script already works standalone (tests out fine from
CLI, on
On Sat, 25 May 2019, Kenneth Parker wrote:
> As one who has been involved in "low level plumbing", since the 1970's
> (including on IBM Mainframe Computers), I'm not afraid of Assembler
> Language. I'm surprised, that I didn't know about Rust (package rustc).
> Thanks for alerting me!
Rust, the l
On Fri, May 24, 2019 at 9:35 PM Dekks Herton wrote:
> Paul Sutton writes:
>
> > Hi
> >
> > As I am trying to promote contributing to Debian, what programming
> > languages are mostly used? I am asking as it helps to give people an
> > idea of what they ne
Hellow~
> I am guessing as the default command line interface is bash, then bash
> and bash scripting would be useful to learn but on top of that what
> would people suggest I try and promote.
To me, Python is easy, useful, for example, my custom message-id[1] is
from python3. Also Python is good
James H. H. Lampert wrote:
> Just out of morbid curiosity: what about a full ANSI PL/I?
>
> (And the mere fact that I'm asking ages me.)
mu! (unasking makes you younger?! :) )A
ancient languages i've used but not in quite a long
time now.
COBOL, SNOBOL, ALGOL, LISP
of all of them i ac
barriers. We have limited amount of time and millions of other things in
> real life in addition to programming
Because there's just one tool in my workshop :-)
On the contrary: learning new languages helped me perfect my mastery
of those I thought I knew already.
Learning an OOP languag
life in addition to programming
On Sat, May 25, 2019 at 6:25 PM Paul Sutton wrote:
> Hi All
>
> Just to say thank for the information. I have made a short blog post on
> some of the languages mentioned and put links to what I would hope are
> useful related resources.
>
> ht
utton wrote:
> Hi
>
> As I am trying to promote contributing to Debian, what programming
> languages are mostly used? I am asking as it helps to give people an
> idea of what they need to learn or will learn as part of helping.
>
> I am guessing as the default command line in
On Fri, May 24, 2019 at 08:47:26PM +0100, Joe wrote:
> On Fri, 24 May 2019 20:28:04 +0200
> "Thomas Schmitt" wrote:
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > Glenn English wrote:
> > > LISP was the first high level language I
> > > learned. Thought I was going to die...
> >
> > Yeah. Why ain't there no Debian packag
On 5/24/19 11:19 PM, Christian Groessler wrote:
> On 5/24/19 10:03 PM, Alex Mestiashvili wrote:
>> On 5/24/19 7:28 PM, Christian Groessler wrote:
>>> On 5/24/19 6:51 PM, john doe wrote:
On 5/24/2019 6:14 PM, ghe wrote:
> Perl is happily off on it's own. "There's more than one way..." Boy i
Paul Sutton writes:
> Hi
>
> As I am trying to promote contributing to Debian, what programming
> languages are mostly used? I am asking as it helps to give people an
> idea of what they need to learn or will learn as part of helping.
AFAIK Kernel + low level plumbing are prima
On Fri, May 24, 2019 at 12:15 PM ghe wrote:
> On 5/24/19 9:08 AM, Paul Sutton wrote:
>
> > As I am trying to promote contributing to Debian, what programming
> > languages are mostly used?
>
> C, perl, java, ruby, python, bash, that I know of. And probably several
On 5/24/19 3:19 PM, Christian Groessler wrote:
> I dislike python on the other hand...
I did too, when I looked at it a few years ago. But Python3 looks
reasonably civilized.
And so the interpreter replaces 4 spaces with a semicolon. I think I can
live with that...
--
Glenn English
Hi,
On Fri, 24 May 2019 19:45:23 +0200
"Thomas Schmitt" wrote:
(...)
> (Astounding how few languages are mentioned there.
> No Piet ? http://www.dangermouse.net/esoteric/piet/samples.html
> )
seems like Piet isn't really a Debian programming language.
At least D
On 5/24/19 10:03 PM, Alex Mestiashvili wrote:
On 5/24/19 7:28 PM, Christian Groessler wrote:
On 5/24/19 6:51 PM, john doe wrote:
On 5/24/2019 6:14 PM, ghe wrote:
Perl is happily off on it's own. "There's more than one way..." Boy is
there ever. Nice to write, but it's next to impossible to und
Hi,
Joe wrote:
> geda-gschem and related electronics tools rely on Guile. I have Guile
> libraries 1.8, 2.0 and 2.2 installed, and they increase in size from
> 2.6MB to 11.8MB to 45MB. So something must still be going on...
It is still the official glue language of GNU. (To my luck its use does
n
On 5/24/19 7:28 PM, Christian Groessler wrote:
> On 5/24/19 6:51 PM, john doe wrote:
>> On 5/24/2019 6:14 PM, ghe wrote:
>>> Perl is happily off on it's own. "There's more than one way..." Boy is
>>> there ever. Nice to write, but it's next to impossible to understand
>>> other people's code. Pytho
ting devices, web applications make
sense for me. But I'm a hobbyist, not a professional, and have never
done any system programming.
--
Joe
On Fri, 24 May 2019 20:28:04 +0200
"Thomas Schmitt" wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Glenn English wrote:
> > LISP was the first high level language I
> > learned. Thought I was going to die...
>
> Yeah. Why ain't there no Debian package with Guile ?
> https://www.gnu.org/software/guile/
>
>
geda-gschem a
Hi,
Glenn English wrote:
> LISP was the first high level language I
> learned. Thought I was going to die...
Yeah. Why ain't there no Debian package with Guile ?
https://www.gnu.org/software/guile/
https://codesearch.debian.net/search?q=guile
yields (after choosing a package)
https://sou
On 5/24/19, 11:00 AM, ghe wrote:
I forgot about LISP too. LISP was the first high level language I
learned. Thought I was going to die...
(CLUTTER CLUTTER (CDR CLUTTER)) is probably the only s-expression I
still remember from over half a lifetime ago. (It's a line of code from
the "Blocks Wor
On 5/24/19 6:51 PM, john doe wrote:
On 5/24/2019 6:14 PM, ghe wrote:
Perl is happily off on it's own. "There's more than one way..." Boy is
there ever. Nice to write, but it's next to impossible to understand
other people's code. Python, IMHO, seems to be creeping up to replace it.
I'm typica
On 5/24/19 11:45 AM, Thomas Schmitt wrote:
> 1,122 lines of code in Buster.
Oh. So that's what's wrong with Buster :-)
> (Astounding how few languages are mentioned there.
> No Piet ? http://www.dangermouse.net/esoteric/piet/samples.html
I forgot about LISP too. LISP was the first high level l
On Fri, May 24, 2019 at 12:43 Jonas Smedegaard wrote:
...
> That's plain wrong: Debian has perl at its core, and Python not.
>
> Also, your simplification of Perl is common among folks ignorant about
> Perl but is wrong as well: You _can_ write difficult-to-read code in
> Perl by by no means do y
Just out of morbid curiosity: what about a full ANSI PL/I?
--
JHHL
(And the mere fact that I'm asking ages me.)
On 5/24/19 11:21 AM, mick crane wrote:
>> On 5/24/19 9:08 AM, Paul Sutton wrote:
> What goes on with Perl ?
Can you say "Python"?
Perl was great a while back, but it leaves something to be desired today.
--
Glenn English
On 5/24/19 11:42 AM, Jonas Smedegaard wrote:
> That's plain wrong: Debian has perl at its core, and Python not.
Please note the word "creeping." Perl is used a lot -- it's a very
powerful language, but its syntax and data structures are less than optimal.
I've written a lot of Perl, but I've bec
Quoting mick crane (2019-05-24 19:21:33)
> On 2019-05-24 17:14, ghe wrote:
> > On 5/24/19 9:08 AM, Paul Sutton wrote:
> >
> >> As I am trying to promote contributing to Debian, what programming
> >> languages are mostly used?
> >
> > C, perl,
Hi,
ghe wrote:
> I don't recall seeing any COBOL, though :-)
1,122 lines of code in Buster.
See
https://sources.debian.org/stats/#sloc_current
(Astounding how few languages are mentioned there.
No Piet ? http://www.dangermouse.net/esoteric/piet/samples.html
)
Have a nice day :)
Thomas
Quoting ghe (2019-05-24 18:14:42)
> On 5/24/19 9:08 AM, Paul Sutton wrote:
>
> > As I am trying to promote contributing to Debian, what programming
> > languages are mostly used?
>
> C, perl, java, ruby, python, bash, that I know of. And probably several
> others
On 24/05/2019 17:51, john doe wrote:
> On 5/24/2019 6:14 PM, ghe wrote:
>> On 5/24/19 9:08 AM, Paul Sutton wrote:
>>
>>> As I am trying to promote contributing to Debian, what programming
>>> languages are mostly used?
>> C, perl, java, ruby, python, bas
On 2019-05-24 17:14, ghe wrote:
On 5/24/19 9:08 AM, Paul Sutton wrote:
As I am trying to promote contributing to Debian, what programming
languages are mostly used?
C, perl, java, ruby, python, bash, that I know of. And probably several
others. I don't recall seeing any COBOL, t
On 5/24/2019 6:14 PM, ghe wrote:
> On 5/24/19 9:08 AM, Paul Sutton wrote:
>
>> As I am trying to promote contributing to Debian, what programming
>> languages are mostly used?
>
> C, perl, java, ruby, python, bash, that I know of. And probably several
> others. I do
On 5/24/19 9:08 AM, Paul Sutton wrote:
> As I am trying to promote contributing to Debian, what programming
> languages are mostly used?
C, perl, java, ruby, python, bash, that I know of. And probably several
others. I don't recall seeing any COBOL, though :-)
> I am asking
Quoting Paul Sutton (2019-05-24 17:08:44)
> As I am trying to promote contributing to Debian, what programming
> languages are mostly used? I am asking as it helps to give people an
> idea of what they need to learn or will learn as part of helping.
>
> I am guessing as the
Hi
As I am trying to promote contributing to Debian, what programming
languages are mostly used? I am asking as it helps to give people an
idea of what they need to learn or will learn as part of helping.
I am guessing as the default command line interface is bash, then bash
and bash scripting
On 2018-03-14, rhkra...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Wednesday, March 14, 2018 11:01:19 AM Joe wrote:
>> Actually, for some years I've kept in my jacket pocket the smallest
>> external hard drive I've ever seen, which sadly was the end of its
>> line. I haven't been able to find a replacement.
>>
>> It
On Wednesday, March 14, 2018 11:01:19 AM Joe wrote:
> Actually, for some years I've kept in my jacket pocket the smallest
> external hard drive I've ever seen, which sadly was the end of its
> line. I haven't been able to find a replacement.
>
> It contains a 32-bit installation of Debian unstable
On Tue, 13 Mar 2018 20:29:38 +
Joe wrote:
> On Tue, 13 Mar 2018 10:04:14 -0400
> Albretch Mueller wrote:
>
> > I have a group of kids that are very good in Math and they want to
> > learn some actual programming
> >
> > My approach is to introduce them t
ntactic devices) could compare to or simulate brain/mind
functions), ... but the most important aspect of it, would be that I
will mainly use a Mathematical approach to teaching computer
programming.
I have had such ideas for a long time. It is that my students
actually started to ask for it. Of course, t
On 3/13/18, rhkra...@gmail.com wrote:
> There are now a variety of open source attempts at similar functionality,
> this
> page provides some thoughts:
>
> https://www.quora.com/Is-there-an-open-source-free-alternative-to-Mathematica
Thank you! Very good reference! I like the idea of a free/OS P
On Tue, Mar 13, 2018 at 09:53:02PM -0700, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
>
> Perhaps, but I would get very excited if I found someone was interested by
> that few lines of text. Such people are the ones who we really need,
> because they're the ones who are going to be writing the building blocks of
> tomo
On Tuesday, March 13, 2018 10:04:14 AM Albretch Mueller wrote:
> I have a group of kids that are very good in Math and they want to
> learn some actual programming
What is the age group of these kids? I don't think I've seen it mentioned
anywhere in the thread, and, to me at
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On Tue, Mar 13, 2018 at 10:15:22PM +, Liam O'Toole wrote:
> On 2018-03-13, wrote:
>
> [...]
>
> > 1) All generalizations suck.
> > 2) Language wars are generally a loss of time.
>
> That makes two generalisations which, presumably, suck.
So
On 13/03/18 01:29 PM, Joe wrote:
I might suggest other lines of approach, such as Lazarus (I learned the
outlines of OO on Borland Delphi) which mixes coding with visual
application building, or the use of Arduino hardware which is cheap and
very much real-world, and is supported well on Debian.
On Tuesday, March 13, 2018 07:48:29 PM Joe Pfeiffer wrote:
> Another option if you have the budget would be Mathematica -- that would
> go from math concepts straight to programming.
Ahh, that was what I was trying to remember, and Stephen Wolfram was (is?)
the author. It is rather exp
quot;how many angels can dance on the pin of a needle" kind
of thing, when IMO Turing himself never meant that computer
(ultimately syntactic devices) could compare to or simulate brain/mind
functions), ... but the most important aspect of it, would be that I
will mainly use a Mathematical appro
Exposing children to C and/or C++ should be considered abuse. :)
No need for an emoticon there! C in the hands of an inexperienced
programmer is a recipe for disaster!
Lego or smalltalk, pharo smalltalk has its own IDE so everything is in 1
place
Unless there's now a "Lego&qu
Albretch Mueller writes:
> I have a group of kids that are very good in Math and they want to
> learn some actual programming
>
> My approach is to introduce them to the basics of coding using ANSI
> C, C++ and java (so they learn what pointers are about, how patterns
> are
On 03/13, Gary Dale wrote:
On 2018-03-13 10:04 AM, Albretch Mueller wrote:
I have a group of kids that are very good in Math and they want to
learn some actual programming
My approach is to introduce them to the basics of coding using ANSI
C, C++ and java (so they learn what pointers are
On 2018-03-13, wrote:
[...]
> 1) All generalizations suck.
> 2) Language wars are generally a loss of time.
That makes two generalisations which, presumably, suck.
Hi,
now that Python on vanilla Debian Live is found as answer to the actual
question, let me show my favorite among those languages which i never
tried:
http://www.dangermouse.net/esoteric/piet/samples.html
Have a nice day :)
Thomas
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