On Fri, Aug 30, 2013 at 05:58:09PM +0200, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote:
> I wonder, maybe that mr update can be integrated in deb system, so
> that the git repo would be check as if it was just a line in
> /etc/apt/sources.list ? That would be really awesome!
http://lists.debian.org/debian-
Le 30.08.2013 05:04, Phi Debian a écrit :
Hi Gary,
Thanx you for getting back to the original post :) while I admit I
did
learn a bit of history about distro, display manager, etc... :)
[snip]
And what about cloning the git of vncserver, install development
dependencies, and configure/ma
On Fri, 30 Aug 2013 18:02:54 +0200
Ralf Mardorf wrote:
>
> > git pull/make/make install
>
> There's a better way of building packages, but I'm short in time now,
> so at least checkinstall usually does build a "primitive" package,
> IOW I would run
>
> git pull
> (perhaps ./configure)
> make
>
Le 30.08.2013 17:55, Sharon Kimble a écrit :
On Fri, 30 Aug 2013 17:35:39 +0200
berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote:
Le 30.08.2013 05:04, Phi Debian a écrit :
> Hi Gary,
>
> Thanx you for getting back to the original post :) while I admit I
> > did learn a bit of history about distro, displ
Le 30.08.2013 12:59, Phi Debian a écrit :
Amazingly I needed to do a check on ubuntu raring, so I quickly setup
a raring guest. And as I am at it, dit the
panel->properties->[background] test, and it got killed with out any
'oh no' message, so even harder to understand what happen :) I may be
b
On Fri, 30 Aug 2013 17:35:39 +0200
berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote:
>
>
> Le 30.08.2013 05:04, Phi Debian a écrit :
> > Hi Gary,
> >
> > Thanx you for getting back to the original post :) while I admit I
> > > did learn a bit of history about distro, display manager,
> > > etc... :)
> >
> >
> git pull/make/make install
There's a better way of building packages, but I'm short in time now, so
at least checkinstall usually does build a "primitive" package, IOW I
would run
git pull
(perhaps ./configure)
make
checkinstall
assumed it needs to be compiled by make.
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On Fri, Aug 30, 2013 at 7:59 PM, Phi Debian wrote:
> [...]
> And about opening a ticket, well why opening at debian since it is general...
A bug is never a bug without context. The more developers look at a
bug, the greater chance one will be able to reproduce it, and the more
information can be
On 8/30/13, Phi Debian wrote:
> Amazingly I needed to do a check on ubuntu raring, so I quickly setup
> a raring guest. And as I am at it, dit the
> panel->properties->[background] test, and it got killed with out any
> 'oh no' message, so even harder to understand what happen :) I may be
> back t
Amazingly I needed to do a check on ubuntu raring, so I quickly setup
a raring guest. And as I am at it, dit the
panel->properties->[background] test, and it got killed with out any
'oh no' message, so even harder to understand what happen :) I may be
back to debian for raring era :)
So this is mo
On 8/30/13, Phi Debian wrote:
> So the vbox path given is to avoid a bug fixer to buy a server :)
>
> Did I filled a bug report? no, the problem is knows since about a year
> and a half, and as I said reported thousand of time on the net, so I
> guessed it was already reported.
Well may be report
>
> Just to clarify your procedure - vbox is installed, but you are
> running vncserver just from host box, not inside vbox right?
Once the vbox guest wheezy is installed and has a vcnserver runing on
it, you may use any vncviewer you may have on your intranet to connect
to it.
my exact setup is
On 8/30/13, Phi Debian wrote:
Hi Phi,
That sounds like "high five" :)
> I have streamlined the problems as follow, anybody with little HW
> resource and time can reporduce it.
This looks like a much clearer bug report. And importantly,
reproducible. Was there a Debian bug report, or just reports
Hi Zeenan,
I have streamlined the problems as follow, anybody with little HW
resource and time can reporduce it.
1) Have a workable host running vbox
2) do a regular wheezy .iso netinstall in a guest (I used amd64 wheezy)
3) Log in and check all works well (generally it did) (you may log
classic
On 8/30/13, Phi Debian wrote:
> On Fri, Aug 30, 2013 at 8:34 AM, Zenaan Harkness wrote:
>> If you have any cycles, I, and I am sure others, will be pleased to
>> assist with a little debugging, like using "strace" tool for example.
>>
>> You see, in your case, the bug seems very reproducible - ev
On Fri, Aug 30, 2013 at 8:34 AM, Zenaan Harkness wrote:
>
> If you have any cycles, I, and I am sure others, will be pleased to
> assist with a little debugging, like using "strace" tool for example.
>
> You see, in your case, the bug seems very reproducible - every time
> you can repeat it from
On 8/30/13, Phi Debian wrote:
> Hi Zeenan,
>
> I can not contribute in this area for two reasons, I am not
> knowledgeable in the X11, DM area, and my duties leave me little
> cycles to ramp this knowledge up.
If you have any cycles, I, and I am sure others, will be pleased to
assist with a littl
Hi Zeenan,
I can not contribute in this area for two reasons, I am not
knowledgeable in the X11, DM area, and my duties leave me little
cycles to ramp this knowledge up.
An additional 'may be' reason is the total lack of starting point,
even the kernel when it panics gives some clues where to loo
On 8/30/13, Phi Debian wrote:
> Well I need to move forward and get a more recent linux as squeeze, I
> did try ubuntu and it worked, same vnc4server, got some cycle about
> how to eliminate unity, how to 'fallback' gnome and get my desktop
> customised my way. So as some said, watever works, I m
Hi Gary,
Thanx you for getting back to the original post :) while I admit I did
learn a bit of history about distro, display manager, etc... :)
Why I am using GUI on servers? Well because I am a big lazy man,
having done all my career on unix so far, and I don't have time to
learn all the CUI api
On 8/30/13, Gary Dale wrote:
> On 27/08/13 01:50 AM, Phi Debian wrote:
>> I use debian and gnome since well the begining...
>> I have it on many nodes, but specially on some server, where many guests
>> run.
>> I was on squeeze sine the begining of squeeze, and decided to try wheezy.
>> I can cop
On 27/08/13 01:50 AM, Phi Debian wrote:
Hi All,
I use debian and gnome since well the begining...
I have it on many nodes, but specially on some server, where many guests run.
I was on squeeze sine the begining of squeeze, and decided to try wheezy.
All the upgrade went smooth, and all worked l
On Thu, 29 Aug 2013 18:12:15 +1200
Chris Bannister wrote:
> On Wed, Aug 28, 2013 at 07:18:57PM +0100, Joe wrote:
> > On Wed, 28 Aug 2013 21:04:40 +1200
> > Chris Bannister wrote:
> > >
> > > Hint: unstable does not mean buggy.
> > >
> >
> > In theory.
>
> And in practice. All software has bu
On Wed, 28 Aug 2013 21:35:24 +0200
Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> On Wed, 2013-08-28 at 19:18 +0100, Joe wrote:
> > I think in GTK, which makes a number of scroll bars
> > misbehave.
>
> There is a bug still present for current "stable" releases from
> upstream. Again, I use the term stable here for the
On Wed, Aug 28, 2013 at 07:18:57PM +0100, Joe wrote:
> On Wed, 28 Aug 2013 21:04:40 +1200
> Chris Bannister wrote:
> >
> > Hint: unstable does not mean buggy.
> >
>
> In theory.
And in practice. All software has bugs, and hopefully most of the
showstoppers are caught before the package passes
On Wed, 2013-08-28 at 19:18 +0100, Joe wrote:
> I think in GTK, which makes a number of scroll bars
> misbehave.
There is a bug still present for current "stable" releases from
upstream. Again, I use the term stable here for the official stable
releases from _upstream_, not for Debian stable. Debi
On Wed, 28 Aug 2013 21:04:40 +1200
Chris Bannister wrote:
> On Tue, Aug 27, 2013 at 01:29:58PM +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> >
> > I explained that you can't do that, if you experience a dependency
> > hell or an unstable environment. To contribute that way users and
> > developers need stable up
On Wed, 2013-08-28 at 11:46 -0400, Tom H wrote:
> I use Ubuntu
:) then you likely will run into the same issue like me and better
pretend that you don not use the best distro for your needs, since
Debian is the best distro for everybody.
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Dear Conrad,
Regarding the Debian's advantage and disadvantage, any one can point but
comparing two persons, their ideology is not that simple.
Richard stall man stood for a nobel cause. If he hasn't taken such a
project called GNU, we may have used only freeBSD and its kernel and may
not be
On Tue, 27 Aug 2013 20:30:07 +1000, Zenaan Harkness wrote:
>
> Fedora/RedHat has strict libre adherence for since forever. Debian has
> social contract forever.
>
> These advantages are definitive!
>
> These distributions are therefore superior! They are definitively better!
>
> Debian has >40,000
On Wed, 2013-08-28 at 11:19 -0400, Tom H wrote:
> You should read the Colin Watson post (linked to on Slashdot) rather
> than simply going by the sensationalist headline and paragraph.
I did read it.
I accept the policies of Debian and Ubuntu ;). I'm aware about their
advantages and their drawba
On Tue, 27 Aug 2013 11:05:34 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> On Tue, 2013-08-27 at 11:56 +0300, Mihamina Rakotomandimby wrote:
>>
>>
http://news.slashdot.org/story/13/05/08/2038243/ubuntu-developing-its-own-package-format-installer
>
> Wow, thank you for the link. Than Ubuntu in the future will cau
On Wed, 2013-08-28 at 21:04 +1200, Chris Bannister wrote:
> On Tue, Aug 27, 2013 at 01:29:58PM +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> >
> > I explained that you can't do that, if you experience a dependency hell
> > or an unstable environment. To contribute that way users and developers
> > need stable up-t
On Tue, Aug 27, 2013 at 01:29:58PM +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
>
> I explained that you can't do that, if you experience a dependency hell
> or an unstable environment. To contribute that way users and developers
> need stable up-to-date releases of software + sometimes newer releases
> than the cu
n Tue, Aug 27, 2013 at 9:19 PM, Zenaan Harkness wrote:
> On 8/27/13, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
>> On Tue, 2013-08-27 at 21:16 +1000, Zenaan Harkness wrote:
>>> On 8/27/13, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
>>> > [...]
> In English, [...]
Debian is an international distribution.
I rarely see canonical English on t
Le 27.08.2013 19:03, Conrad Nelson a écrit :
On 08/27/2013 12:00 PM, Conrad Nelson wrote:
On 08/27/2013 10:22 AM, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote:
Le 27.08.2013 17:07, Conrad Nelson a écrit :
Debian's other problem is this need to split packages. A lot.
Debian
likes to brag about having
On Tue, 2013-08-27 at 12:03 -0500, Conrad Nelson wrote:
> On 08/27/2013 12:00 PM, Conrad Nelson wrote:
> > On 08/27/2013 10:22 AM, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote:
> >> Le 27.08.2013 17:07, Conrad Nelson a écrit :
> >>> Debian's other problem is this need to split packages. A lot. Debian
> >>>
On Tue, 2013-08-27 at 12:00 -0500, Conrad Nelson wrote:
> I don't think I can explain the splitting thing that bugs me well
> enough. Just that I think that Debian's claims to have a HUGE
> repository are maybe a little dishonest when if they actually reduced
> all their packages to what they are
On Tue, 2013-08-27 at 17:22 +0200, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote:
> Can you please provide package's names which should be united?
jackd packages shouldn't be split, joint the jack devel mailing list
archive, unfortunately you need to be subscribed for doing this.
But again, even that packa
On Tue, 2013-08-27 at 10:07 -0500, Conrad Nelson wrote:
> On 08/27/2013 07:22 AM, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> > On Tue, 2013-08-27 at 11:55 +, Curt wrote:
> >> What a traitor (or not)!
> > "arch traitor" ;) since I prefer Arch Linux and my explanations might be
> > a "traitor's kiss", since I referre
On 08/27/2013 12:00 PM, Conrad Nelson wrote:
On 08/27/2013 10:22 AM, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote:
Le 27.08.2013 17:07, Conrad Nelson a écrit :
Debian's other problem is this need to split packages. A lot. Debian
likes to brag about having a HUGE repository, but when you actually
look at
On 08/27/2013 10:22 AM, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote:
Le 27.08.2013 17:07, Conrad Nelson a écrit :
Debian's other problem is this need to split packages. A lot. Debian
likes to brag about having a HUGE repository, but when you actually
look at it, it's actually an AVERAGE repository made
Le 27.08.2013 17:07, Conrad Nelson a écrit :
Debian's other problem is this need to split packages. A lot. Debian
likes to brag about having a HUGE repository, but when you actually
look at it, it's actually an AVERAGE repository made "bigger" by the
fact that when you install software, despite t
On Tue, Aug 27, 2013 at 10:07:03AM -0500, Conrad Nelson wrote:
> Debian's obsession with free software conformity is, indeed, a
> weakness. Before you blast me, I'm just going to point out I
> subscribe more to the Torvalds school of thought on open source, NOT
> the Stallman school. Richard Stall
On 08/27/2013 07:22 AM, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
On Tue, 2013-08-27 at 11:55 +, Curt wrote:
What a traitor (or not)!
"arch traitor" ;) since I prefer Arch Linux and my explanations might be
a "traitor's kiss", since I referred to the KISS principle.
I am still a big Arch fan myself. But after
On Tue, 2013-08-27 at 14:47 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> On Tue, 2013-08-27 at 14:02 +0200, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote:
> > Is there is any distro with binaries from "trunk/master" ( depending on
> > if you prefer svn or git ;) ) up to date? It would be quite strange, but
> > sounds nice
Le 27.08.2013 14:47, Ralf Mardorf a écrit :
On Tue, 2013-08-27 at 14:02 +0200, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org
wrote:
Is there is any distro with binaries from "trunk/master" ( depending
on
if you prefer svn or git ;) ) up to date? It would be quite strange,
but
sounds nice.
Arch Linux comes w
A "hypocrite" is somebody who claims to be somebody or to believe
something, but in reality this person is somebody else or does believe
something completely different. I'm only willing to explain, why
"Debian" or what ever distro with a huge userbase, isn't "superior" over
other distros, not by em
On Tue, 2013-08-27 at 14:02 +0200, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote:
> Is there is any distro with binaries from "trunk/master" ( depending on
> if you prefer svn or git ;) ) up to date? It would be quite strange, but
> sounds nice.
Arch Linux comes with binaries for the current stable releas
On 8/27/13, Curt wrote:
> On 2013-08-27, Zenaan Harkness wrote:
>>
>> Your general, non-direct reply to my questions to you, is by default
>> consent to my implied positions.
>
> I can't parse that.
Sorry. I shall try again:
I am saying Ralph ignored my questions to him (and ignored the things I
On Tue, 2013-08-27 at 11:55 +, Curt wrote:
> What a traitor (or not)!
"arch traitor" ;) since I prefer Arch Linux and my explanations might be
a "traitor's kiss", since I referred to the KISS principle.
You can read on many mailing lists that people often try to explain
something with the arg
On 8/27/13, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> On Tue, 2013-08-27 at 21:16 +1000, Zenaan Harkness wrote:
>> On 8/27/13, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
>> > You're free to consider the distros you mentioned as the best distros,
>> > but by doing this you miss a basic approach of FLOSS. There isn't such
>> > as a commerci
Le 27.08.2013 13:29, Ralf Mardorf a écrit :
On Tue, 2013-08-27 at 21:16 +1000, Zenaan Harkness wrote:
On 8/27/13, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> You're free to consider the distros you mentioned as the best
distros,
> but by doing this you miss a basic approach of FLOSS. There isn't
such
> as a comme
On 2013-08-27, Zenaan Harkness wrote:
>
> Your general, non-direct reply to my questions to you, is by default
> consent to my implied positions.
I can't parse that.
> I _am_ still interested to know if you consider yourself to be a
> compulsive relationship-communication boundary tester?
I thi
On Tue, 2013-08-27 at 13:30 +0200, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote:
>
> Le 27.08.2013 13:12, Ralf Mardorf a écrit :
> > Some of those distros are much older than Debian is.
>
> Well, sorry to go inside your discussion ( which is more fun than
> anything else, for me ), but that point surpris
Le 27.08.2013 13:12, Ralf Mardorf a écrit :
Some of those distros are much older than Debian is.
Well, sorry to go inside your discussion ( which is more fun than
anything else, for me ), but that point surprised me. I am not a linux
distro expert, and only really used Debian ( tried Ubuntu
On Tue, 2013-08-27 at 21:16 +1000, Zenaan Harkness wrote:
> On 8/27/13, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> > You're free to consider the distros you mentioned as the best distros,
> > but by doing this you miss a basic approach of FLOSS. There isn't such
> > as a commercial competition, or radical political mo
On 8/27/13, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> You're free to consider the distros you mentioned as the best distros,
> but by doing this you miss a basic approach of FLOSS. There isn't such
> as a commercial competition, or radical political model.
What you say does not make sense.
You are free to ignore mo
PS: Since you have that much issues with compiling software, consider
that some distros e.g. have a huge userbase, because not less users need
the current stable kernel release, with the current stable modules for
new hardware. Is the huge userbase from distros you consider as less
good, a communit
Zenaan, if everybody would use Debian for development, than even the
Debian community would have to suffer from slower progress. To develop,
to report bugs to upstream etc. you often need an Linux userspace
environment that is up-to-date, but even experimental isn't up-to-date.
The policy that Debi
:)
Hi Ralph, hope you are well.
Your general, non-direct reply to my questions to you, is by default
consent to my implied positions.
I _am_ still interested to know if you consider yourself to be a
compulsive relationship-communication boundary tester?
I defend your right to free speech. Some
I am not religious about distros, I said I got many guest running on
the server, this is precisly to have a whole sort of distro running.
Yet the server got to have one, and for historical reasons it happen
it is debian.
Now this gnome3 comes to the dance, and break the tiny bits of basic
thing I
I only want to point out that that there isn't such as the good, the bad
and the ugly distro. No distro of the known distros with a huge user
base is better or worse than another distro. I can mention advantages
and drawbacks for most of them, IOW for all of them I used/I'm using.
When I read on a
On 8/27/13, Phi Debian wrote:
> Hi Zeenan,
Hi Phi,
*please*, reply only to the list. I do not need multiple copies of your email.
> I have a permenant vnc session
I don't really know what you mean by "permenant vnc session".
> on the server (trusted network) and I
> do most of the tiny things
On 8/27/13, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> On Tue, 2013-08-27 at 18:07 +1000, Zenaan Harkness wrote:
>> For server, perhaps simpler XFCE4?
>
> Xfce or LXDE are a good idea.
>
>> Or add custom repo and install Cinnamon or MATE desktops
>
> Have you ever tested Cinnamon and MATE?
No. Wanted to.
> Nobody sh
On Tue, 2013-08-27 at 11:05 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
>
> On Tue, 2013-08-27 at 11:56 +0300, Mihamina Rakotomandimby wrote:
> > http://news.slashdot.org/story/13/05/08/2038243/ubuntu-developing-its-own-package-format-installer
>
> Wow, thank you for the link. Than Ubuntu in the future will cause
On Tue, 2013-08-27 at 11:56 +0300, Mihamina Rakotomandimby wrote:
> http://news.slashdot.org/story/13/05/08/2038243/ubuntu-developing-its-own-package-format-installer
Wow, thank you for the link. Than Ubuntu in the future will cause much
more issues, when you talk to upstream, than they already
On Tue, 2013-08-27 at 10:40 +0200, Phi Debian wrote:
> What I liked with old gnome, was the custom can be done without
> learning anything, drag drop panels, click on color that suite you,
> focus follow mouse was trivial, etc
If it was only this, than you'll be more satisfied with using Xfce4
On 2013-08-27 11:07, Zenaan Harkness wrote:
Hi All,
>
>I use debian and gnome since well the begining...
>I have it on many nodes, but specially on some server, where many guests
>run.
>I was on squeeze sine the begining of squeeze, and decided to try wheezy.
Ubuntu is Debian snapshot, so much o
Hi Zeenan,
Yes I did this move an the 'less used' server, not really crash'n'burn
but still ok to try yhr move there first.
Yes I used gnome-classic-2D
I used minimalist gnome setup, only 1 main-panel on the right, no
workspace, no other pannel
I have a permenant vnc session on the server (trus
On Tue, 2013-08-27 at 18:07 +1000, Zenaan Harkness wrote:
> For server, perhaps simpler XFCE4?
Xfce or LXDE are a good idea.
> Or add custom repo and install Cinnamon or MATE desktops
Have you ever tested Cinnamon and MATE? Nobody should consider that one
of them can be called a quasi continued
On 8/27/13, Phi Debian wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> I use debian and gnome since well the begining...
> I have it on many nodes, but specially on some server, where many guests
> run.
> I was on squeeze sine the begining of squeeze, and decided to try wheezy.
Ubuntu is Debian snapshot, so much of muchne
Hi All,
I use debian and gnome since well the begining...
I have it on many nodes, but specially on some server, where many guests run.
I was on squeeze sine the begining of squeeze, and decided to try wheezy.
All the upgrade went smooth, and all worked like a charm, so thank you
for all the peop
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