On Tue, January 10, 2006 11:08 am, Richard Lyons wrote:
> On Tuesday, 10 January 2006 at 14:43:18 +0100, David Jardine wrote:
>> On Tue, Jan 10, 2006 at 04:35:22AM +0200, Andrei Popescu wrote:
>> >
>> > [...]
>> >
>> > Ok, then let's get back to the original topic of this thread:
>> > the "help he
On Tue, 10 Jan 2006 04:35:22 +0200
Andrei Popescu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 1. Rewriting the welcome message coupled with some scripts to quickly install
> a GUI (for the ones who missed the option) or get rid of the newbie welcome
> 3. Have the 'Desktop' task selected by default (and maybe
On Tuesday, 10 January 2006 at 14:43:18 +0100, David Jardine wrote:
> On Tue, Jan 10, 2006 at 04:35:22AM +0200, Andrei Popescu wrote:
> >
> > [...]
> >
> > Ok, then let's get back to the original topic of this thread:
> > the "help help" messages won't stop (and we don't want them to
> > stop) s
On Tue, Jan 10, 2006 at 04:35:22AM +0200, Andrei Popescu wrote:
>
> [...]
>
> Ok, then let's get back to the original topic of this thread:
> the "help help" messages won't stop (and we don't want them to
> stop) so what can we do?
>
Installing Linux on ones computer requires a conscious deci
On Tuesday, 10 January 2006 at 4:35:22 +0200, Andrei Popescu wrote:
[...]
>
> It seems pretty clear that subscribers of this list don't
> want/need/... a debian-newcomer list.
>
> Ok, then let's get back to the original topic of this thread: the
> "help help" messages won't stop (and we don't wa
On Tue, Jan 10, 2006 at 01:52:10AM -0600, Seth Goodman wrote:
> > From: Andrei Popescu [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent: Monday, January 09, 2006 8:35 PM
>
> <...>
>
> > 4. incorporate the hardware detection of derivative distros
> > (like Knoppix). This would probably be possible only for the
> From: Andrei Popescu [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Monday, January 09, 2006 8:35 PM
<...>
> 4. incorporate the hardware detection of derivative distros
> (like Knoppix). This would probably be possible only for the
> i386 branch (maybe also ia64/amd64?), but this branch is also
> the one th
On Sun, 8 Jan 2006 12:33:11 +0200
Andrei Popescu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Sun, 08 Jan 2006 02:30:04 -0600
> Kent West <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > Andrei Popescu wrote:
> >
> > >It has been suggested by several people in this thread to have a
> > >'debian-newcomer' list.
> > >
> > >Q
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- Original Message -
From: Andrei Popescu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Saturday, January 7, 2006 2:11 pm
Subject: Poll: debian-newcomer list [Was: Re: newbies needing help for graphic
login]
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On Mon, 9 Jan 2006 07:39:52 -0500
Gregory Seidman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Sun, Jan 08, 2006 at 11:21:58PM +0100, Joris Huizer wrote:
> } Andrew Sackville-West wrote:
> } >see my other note on this: why isn't (and I know NOTHING about the
> } >installer so bear with me) knoppix type detect
On Sun, Jan 08, 2006 at 11:21:58PM +0100, Joris Huizer wrote:
} Andrew Sackville-West wrote:
} >see my other note on this: why isn't (and I know NOTHING about the
} >installer so bear with me) knoppix type detection done by the installer?
} >There should be NOTHING that knoppix does that Debian c
On Sun, Jan 08, 2006 at 08:02:02PM -0500, kamaraju kusumanchi wrote:
} Gregory Seidman wrote:
}
} >On Sun, Jan 08, 2006 at 12:33:11PM +0200, Andrei Popescu wrote:
} >} On Sun, 08 Jan 2006 02:30:04 -0600
} >} Kent West <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
} >} > Andrei Popescu wrote:
} >} > >It has been sugg
On Sunday 08 January 2006 05:02 pm, kamaraju kusumanchi wrote:
> I was trying to put up something like this at
> http://people.cornell.edu/pages/kk288/du-guidelines.html but never got
> time to finish it up. Would you mind if I copy some lines (word by word)
> from your previous email and work on i
Gregory Seidman wrote:
On Sun, Jan 08, 2006 at 12:33:11PM +0200, Andrei Popescu wrote:
} On Sun, 08 Jan 2006 02:30:04 -0600
} Kent West <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
} > Andrei Popescu wrote:
} > >It has been suggested by several people in this thread to have a
} > >'debian-newcomer' list.
[...]
}
Andrew Sackville-West wrote:
see my other note on this: why isn't (and I know NOTHING about the installer so bear with
me) knoppix type detection done by the installer? There should be NOTHING that knoppix
does that Debian can't do at install time, excepting kernel modules that are to far up
On Sat, 7 Jan 2006 12:40:08 +
Richard Lyons <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
<>
>
> Now, considering that success is not really unlikely with the new
> installer, but that it is oddly easy for a newbie (or even an
> experienced user) to fail to select the 'desktop' option and to install
> a perfec
On Fri, 6 Jan 2006 18:35:32 -0800
Andy Streich <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Friday 06 January 2006 02:41 pm, Andrew Sackville-West wrote:
> > On Fri, 6 Jan 2006 20:46:18 +
> >
> > Clive Menzies <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > On (06/01/06 12:18), Andy Streich wrote:
> > > > I really apprec
On Sun, Jan 08, 2006 at 12:33:11PM +0200, Andrei Popescu wrote:
} On Sun, 08 Jan 2006 02:30:04 -0600
} Kent West <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
} > Andrei Popescu wrote:
} > >It has been suggested by several people in this thread to have a
} > >'debian-newcomer' list.
[...]
} > This gets asked on this
On Sun, 08 Jan 2006 02:30:04 -0600
Kent West <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Andrei Popescu wrote:
>
> >It has been suggested by several people in this thread to have a
> >'debian-newcomer' list.
> >
> >Question: Is there real interest in having this and how many users will
> >subscribe in order t
Andrei Popescu wrote:
It has been suggested by several people in this thread to have a
'debian-newcomer' list.
Question: Is there real interest in having this and how many users will subscribe in
order to help the newcomers (from "doze" or Mac or other distros)? A name or
nick as an answer i
Andrei Popescu wrote:
It has been suggested by several people in this thread to have a
'debian-newcomer' list.
Question: Is there real interest in having this and how many users will subscribe in
order to help the newcomers (from "doze" or Mac or other distros)? A name or
nick as an answer i
It has been suggested by several people in this thread to have a
'debian-newcomer' list.
Question: Is there real interest in having this and how many users will
subscribe in order to help the newcomers (from "doze" or Mac or other distros)?
A name or nick as an answer i think will do. I'll star
On Fri, 06 Jan 2006 21:11:29 -0500
kamaraju kusumanchi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Andy Streich wrote:
>
> >Agreed. I use a similar strategy. I just want to give the newbie the
> >option
> >to do that -- after they have a solid working setup. Until then, a
> >"debian-newcomer" list (or deb
It is difficult to know which branch of this thread to re-enter. I'm
happy to have started an interesting discussion, and to hear various
personal histories on the way. But I was initially trying to suggest a
much smaller-scale intervention. I hope you'll all forgive me if I
recap.
It is obviou
On Friday 06 January 2006 02:41 pm, Andrew Sackville-West wrote:
> On Fri, 6 Jan 2006 20:46:18 +
>
> Clive Menzies <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > On (06/01/06 12:18), Andy Streich wrote:
> > > I really appreciate this topic and am delighted to see experienced
> > > Debian users responding posit
On Friday 06 January 2006 06:11 pm, kamaraju kusumanchi wrote:
> Andy Streich wrote:
> >Agreed. I use a similar strategy. I just want to give the newbie the
> > option to do that -- after they have a solid working setup. Until then,
> > a "debian-newcomer" list (or debian-how-in-the-heck-do-I-ge
Andy Streich wrote:
On Friday 06 January 2006 12:48 pm, kamaraju kusumanchi wrote:
Andy Streich wrote:
In addition to the other suggestions on how to improve the newbie
experience, I would add creating yet another mailing list specifically
for people trying to establish a stable instal
Andy Streich wrote:
Agreed. I use a similar strategy. I just want to give the newbie the option
to do that -- after they have a solid working setup. Until then, a
"debian-newcomer" list (or debian-how-in-the-heck-do-I-get-this-working list)
seems like a good idea.
This has been discussed
On Friday 06 January 2006 12:46 pm, Clive Menzies wrote:
> On (06/01/06 12:18), Andy Streich wrote:
> > I really appreciate this topic and am delighted to see experienced Debian
> > users responding positively to the "help, help" emails. Andrew's
> > question is the critical one: is Debian for ne
On Fri, 06 Jan 2006 15:48:30 -0500
kamaraju kusumanchi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> debian-boot already exists. See http://lists.debian.org/debian-boot/ for
> more information.
I would have never thought of it as a newbie list. The name rather suggests a
list dedicated to boot troubles, like wh
On Friday 06 January 2006 12:48 pm, kamaraju kusumanchi wrote:
> Andy Streich wrote:
> >In addition to the other suggestions on how to improve the newbie
> > experience, I would add creating yet another mailing list specifically
> > for people trying to establish a stable installation. Like other
On Fri, 6 Jan 2006 20:46:18 +
Clive Menzies <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On (06/01/06 12:18), Andy Streich wrote:
> > I really appreciate this topic and am delighted to see experienced Debian
> > users responding positively to the "help, help" emails. Andrew's question
> > is
> > the criti
Andy Streich wrote:
In addition to the other suggestions on how to improve the newbie experience,
I would add creating yet another mailing list specifically for people trying
to establish a stable installation. Like other diehards on this list I can
filter 150 emails/day. That's not true for
On (06/01/06 12:18), Andy Streich wrote:
> I really appreciate this topic and am delighted to see experienced Debian
> users responding positively to the "help, help" emails. Andrew's question is
> the critical one: is Debian for newbies or not? From my own experience over
> the last couple o
On Friday 06 January 2006 10:12 am, Andrew Sackville-West wrote:
[snip]
>
> Having said all that, I agree that the prevalence of "help help" emails is
> a good sign and its incumbent upon us, as a community to reach out to these
> people and help them in whatever way we can. First, of course, talk
On Thu, 5 Jan 2006 12:30:56 +
Richard Lyons <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> The increasing frequency of 'help help help' messages from new users who
> arrive at a command line console and don't know what to do next is a
> good sign: more people moving from doze to Linux, more moving from
> fedora
I hope i'm not double-posting - it seems the 'doze' version of Sylpheed is not
very reliable, so here it comes:
Maybe all that is needed is to have the 'Desktop' task selected by default and
have base-config start gdm on exit or do a 'init 2' i don't exactly remember
the state you are when it
On Thursday, 5 January 2006 at 16:11:49 +0200, Linas Zvirblis wrote:
> Richard Lyons wrote:
>
[...]
> >What I have in mind is that the new installer could rewrite the welcome
> >text to say something like
> >
> >This is a new install of
> >Debian GNU/Linux stable thisbox tty1
> >
> >
On 1/5/06, Richard Lyons <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> The increasing frequency of 'help help help' messages from new users who
> arrive at a command line console and don't know what to do next is a
> good sign: more people moving from doze to Linux, more moving from
> fedora and suze to debian. Bu
Richard Lyons wrote:
The increasing frequency of 'help help help' messages from new users who
arrive at a command line console and don't know what to do next is a
good sign: more people moving from doze to Linux, more moving from
fedora and suze to debian. But there is a real danger of scaring
Richard Lyons wrote:
The increasing frequency of 'help help help' messages from new users who
arrive at a command line console and don't know what to do next is a
good sign: more people moving from doze to Linux, more moving from
fedora and suze to debian. But there is a real danger of scaring
The increasing frequency of 'help help help' messages from new users who
arrive at a command line console and don't know what to do next is a
good sign: more people moving from doze to Linux, more moving from
fedora and suze to debian. But there is a real danger of scaring them
off -- and I think
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