Re: What's best way to handle HTML emails in Mutt

2025-02-17 Thread Richard Owlett
On 2/17/25 9:58 AM, Greg Wooledge wrote: On Mon, Feb 17, 2025 at 09:40:31 -0600, David Wright wrote: I do that with lynx -localhost. One consequence is regular communications (sometimes by email!) from some banks etc, complaining that you don't open their emails. Some are so stupid as to offer

Re: What's best way to handle HTML emails in Mutt

2025-02-17 Thread Greg Wooledge
On Mon, Feb 17, 2025 at 09:40:31 -0600, David Wright wrote: > I do that with lynx -localhost. One consequence is regular > communications (sometimes by email!) from some banks etc, > complaining that you don't open their emails. Some are so > stupid as to offer no way of denying that fact electro

Re: What's best way to handle HTML emails in Mutt

2025-02-17 Thread David Wright
On Mon 17 Feb 2025 at 09:02:11 (+), Jonathan Dowland wrote: > On Sat Dec 28, 2024 at 4:41 AM GMT, hobie of RMN wrote: > > What's the best way to handle this? Switch to Thunderbird or > > claws-mail? > > I switched away from (neo)mutt as my primary mailer a little

Re: What's best way to handle HTML emails in Mutt?

2025-02-17 Thread Greg
On 2025-02-17, wrote: > > On Sun, Feb 16, 2025 at 01:07:47PM -0500, Greg Wooledge wrote: > > [...] > >> But this is really all just noise. Use whatever MUA you like. > > That's my take, too. My take is this is a recurrent question concerning Mutt.

Re: What's best way to handle HTML emails in Mutt?

2025-02-17 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Sat Dec 28, 2024 at 4:41 AM GMT, hobie of RMN wrote: What's the best way to handle this? Switch to Thunderbird or claws-mail? I switched away from (neo)mutt as my primary mailer a little while ago, but before I did, I was using netsurf-gtk as a viewer for HTML mails in mutt. It wa

Re: What's best way to handle HTML emails in Mutt?

2025-02-16 Thread tomas
On Sun, Feb 16, 2025 at 01:07:47PM -0500, Greg Wooledge wrote: [...] > But this is really all just noise. Use whatever MUA you like. That's my take, too. Cheers -- t signature.asc Description: PGP signature

Re: What's best way to handle HTML emails in Mutt?

2025-02-16 Thread Greg
On 2025-02-16, Greg Wooledge wrote: > On Sun, Feb 16, 2025 at 17:46:18 -, Greg wrote: >> On 2025-02-16, wrote: >> > >> > I don't quite know what you mean by "modern". >> >> Mutt was written in 1995. Alpine was publicly released twent

Re: What's best way to handle HTML emails in Mutt?

2025-02-16 Thread Greg Wooledge
On Sun, Feb 16, 2025 at 17:46:18 -, Greg wrote: > On 2025-02-16, wrote: > > > > I don't quite know what you mean by "modern". > > Mutt was written in 1995. Alpine was publicly released twenty years later, in > 2007. Mutt is the successor to elm.

Re: What's best way to handle HTML emails in Mutt?

2025-02-16 Thread Greg
On 2025-02-16, wrote: > > I don't quite know what you mean by "modern". Mutt was written in 1995. Alpine was publicly released twenty years later, in 2007.

Re: What's best way to handle HTML emails in Mutt?

2025-02-16 Thread tomas
ient like alpine. Hm. Last Alpine release is 2.26 [1], from 2022 (basically the one distributed with Debian), latest Mutt is 2.2.13 (Debian stable has 2.2.12) from 2024. So I don't quite know what you mean by "modern". Cheers [1] https://alpineapp.email/ [2] http://www.mutt.org/ -- t signature.asc Description: PGP signature

Re: What's best way to handle HTML emails in Mutt?

2025-02-16 Thread Greg
On 2024-12-28, Olafur Jens Sigurdsson wrote: >> > >> > What's the best way to handle this? Switch to Thunderbird or claws-mail? >> > >> I simply use lynx to view 99% of HTML E-Mail and the odd one that >> doesn't view well by that means I feed into my web browser. All on >> the same machine. >

Re: What's best way to handle HTML emails in Mutt?

2024-12-28 Thread Greg Wooledge
On Fri, Dec 27, 2024 at 23:41:39 -0500, hobie of RMN wrote: > For 20 years I've enjoyed Mutt as my primary mail reader. I used its > 'bounce' feature to deal with HTML mails, sending them to a webmail > program on a different server. But now the jellyfish anti-spam daemo

Re: What's best way to handle HTML emails in Mutt?

2024-12-28 Thread Henning Follmann
Just a few additional bits added On Sat, Dec 28, 2024 at 10:23:09AM +, Chris Green wrote: > hobie of RMN wrote: > > For 20 years I've enjoyed Mutt as my primary mail reader. I used its > > 'bounce' feature to deal with HTML mails, sending them to a webm

Re: What's best way to handle HTML emails in Mutt?

2024-12-28 Thread Olafur Jens Sigurdsson
On Sat, Dec 28, 2024 at 10:23:09AM +, Chris Green wrote: > hobie of RMN wrote: > > For 20 years I've enjoyed Mutt as my primary mail reader. I used its > > 'bounce' feature to deal with HTML mails, sending them to a webmail > > program on a different serv

Re: What's best way to handle HTML emails in Mutt?

2024-12-28 Thread Chris Green
hobie of RMN wrote: > For 20 years I've enjoyed Mutt as my primary mail reader. I used its > 'bounce' feature to deal with HTML mails, sending them to a webmail > program on a different server. But now the jellyfish anti-spam daemon > won't allow me to do th

Re: What's best way to handle HTML emails in Mutt?

2024-12-28 Thread Andy Smith
Hi, On Fri, Dec 27, 2024 at 11:41:39PM -0500, hobie of RMN wrote: > For 20 years I've enjoyed Mutt as my primary mail reader. I used its > 'bounce' feature to deal with HTML mails, sending them to a webmail > program on a different server. I also use Mutt. I have Mutt&#

Re: What's best way to handle HTML emails in Mutt?

2024-12-28 Thread Christoph Brinkhaus
Am Fri, Dec 27, 2024 at 11:41:39PM -0500 schrieb hobie of RMN: > For 20 years I've enjoyed Mutt as my primary mail reader. I used its > 'bounce' feature to deal with HTML mails, sending them to a webmail > program on a different server. But now the jellyfish anti-spam da

Re: What's best way to handle HTML emails in Mutt?

2024-12-27 Thread tomas
On Sat, Dec 28, 2024 at 05:01:15AM +, ghe2001 wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA512 > > > > > > > > On Friday, December 27th, 2024 at 9:41 PM, hobie of RMN > wrote: > > > For 20 years I've enjoyed Mutt as my primary

Re: What's best way to handle HTML emails in Mutt?

2024-12-27 Thread ghe2001
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On Friday, December 27th, 2024 at 9:41 PM, hobie of RMN wrote: > For 20 years I've enjoyed Mutt as my primary mail reader. I used its > 'bounce' feature to deal with HTML mails, sending them to a webmail > program on

What's best way to handle HTML emails in Mutt?

2024-12-27 Thread hobie of RMN
For 20 years I've enjoyed Mutt as my primary mail reader. I used its 'bounce' feature to deal with HTML mails, sending them to a webmail program on a different server. But now the jellyfish anti-spam daemon won't allow me to do that; it rejects my bounced emails because &q

Re: timeout in shutdown, mutt killed by SIGKILL

2024-06-04 Thread Max Nikulin
On 04/06/2024 07:29, Vincent Lefevre wrote: On 2024-05-31 19:05:45 +0700, Max Nikulin wrote: Do you see an attempt to send SIGTERM to mutt before timeout and SIGKILL? Unfortunately, there was no information from systemd. Some daemons log a received SIGTERM, but mutt isn't a daemon.

Re: timeout in shutdown, mutt killed by SIGKILL

2024-06-03 Thread Vincent Lefevre
On 2024-05-31 19:05:45 +0700, Max Nikulin wrote: > Do you see an attempt to send SIGTERM to mutt before timeout and SIGKILL? Unfortunately, there was no information from systemd. Some daemons log a received SIGTERM, but mutt isn't a daemon. > What other processes survived first step

Re: timeout in shutdown, mutt killed by SIGKILL

2024-05-31 Thread Max Nikulin
On 31/05/2024 15:10, Vincent Lefevre wrote: https://github.com/flatpak/xdg-desktop-portal/issues/999 I'm wondering whether there could be a same cause. I can imagine that mutt may start a GUI handler for some attachment and that application uses XDG desktop portal. However I would e

Re: timeout in shutdown, mutt killed by SIGKILL

2024-05-31 Thread Vincent Lefevre
On 2024-05-31 10:10:32 +0200, Vincent Lefevre wrote: > On 2024-05-31 10:02:57 +0700, Max Nikulin wrote: > > Do you mean that mutt properly exits unless it receives SIGTERM in the > > course of shutdown process? > > I think that this was not the first time I did a shutdown w

Re: timeout in shutdown, mutt killed by SIGKILL

2024-05-31 Thread Vincent Lefevre
On 2024-05-31 10:02:57 +0700, Max Nikulin wrote: > Do you mean that mutt properly exits unless it receives SIGTERM in the > course of shutdown process? I think that this was not the first time I did a shutdown while Mutt was still running. But this was the first time it did not exit. >

Re: timeout in shutdown, mutt killed by SIGKILL

2024-05-30 Thread Max Nikulin
On 30/05/2024 23:19, Vincent Lefevre wrote: Have you tried to send SIGTERM to mutt? I didn't. AFAIK, systemd sends a SIGTERM to all the processes of the session: that's the Yes, SIGTERM is the default that systemd tries first. There are various kill modes, another signal may be

Re: timeout in shutdown, mutt killed by SIGKILL

2024-05-30 Thread Vincent Lefevre
On 2024-05-30 00:19:30 +0700, Max Nikulin wrote: > On 29/05/2024 07:44, Vincent Lefevre wrote: > > But I don't understand why there was a timeout. Does this mean that > > mutt didn't react to SIGTERM? Any reason? > > Have you tried to send SIGTERM to mutt? I

Re: timeout in shutdown, mutt killed by SIGKILL

2024-05-30 Thread Vincent Lefevre
1]: session-2.scope: Stopping timed out. > > Killing. > > May 29 01:55:26 qaa systemd[1]: session-2.scope: Killing process 2990 > > (mutt) with signal SIGKILL. > > May 29 01:55:26 qaa systemd[1]: session-2.scope: Failed with result > > 'timeout'. > > Ma

Re: timeout in shutdown, mutt killed by SIGKILL

2024-05-29 Thread Max Nikulin
On 29/05/2024 07:44, Vincent Lefevre wrote: But I don't understand why there was a timeout. Does this mean that mutt didn't react to SIGTERM? Any reason? Have you tried to send SIGTERM to mutt? If it ignores this signal or the reaction is some prompt then you need to find another w

Re: timeout in shutdown, mutt killed by SIGKILL

2024-05-29 Thread Curt
systemd[1]: session-2.scope: Killing process 2990 (mutt) > with signal SIGKILL. > May 29 01:55:26 qaa systemd[1]: session-2.scope: Failed with result 'timeout'. > May 29 01:55:26 qaa systemd[1]: Stopped session-2.scope - Session 2 of User > vinc17. > May 29 01:55:26 qaa

timeout in shutdown, mutt killed by SIGKILL

2024-05-28 Thread Vincent Lefevre
During the latest shutdown: May 29 01:55:05 qaa systemd[1]: Stopping session-2.scope - Session 2 of User vinc17... [...] May 29 01:55:26 qaa systemd[1]: session-2.scope: Stopping timed out. Killing. May 29 01:55:26 qaa systemd[1]: session-2.scope: Killing process 2990 (mutt) with signal SIGKILL

Re: URLs in Mutt

2024-01-02 Thread Jonathan Matthew Gresham
Install urlview

Re: URLs in Mutt

2024-01-02 Thread Nicolas George
Paul M Foster (12024-01-01): > Of course, it doesn't fix the retarded way Mutt handles links. To the better of my knowledge, Mutt does not handle links at all. Please refrain from calling it retarded. > For those > fami

Re: URLs in Mutt

2024-01-01 Thread Paul M Foster
wrapped. > > This is "quoted-printable" encoding. You need to use a properly decoded > version of the file, rather than the raw text.[1] > > > As a solution, I took that email from my mutt mail file and stripped out > > all the headers and non-HTML content. Then I f

Re: URLs in Mutt

2024-01-01 Thread fxkl47BF
On Mon, 1 Jan 2024, Nicolas George wrote: > This was not a reply to the original mail. You might consider using a > MUA with proper threading to better understand what is going on. from the negative nature of your communications every one understands what's going on

Re: URLs in Mutt

2024-01-01 Thread Nicolas George
fxkl4...@protonmail.com (12024-01-01): > actually the question was > " what is wrapping the lines on my incoming emails, and how do I fix it " > please try to keep up This was not a reply to the original mail. You might consider using a MUA with proper threading to better understand what is going

Re: URLs in Mutt

2024-01-01 Thread fxkl47BF
On Mon, 1 Jan 2024, Nicolas George wrote: > gene heskett (12024-01-01): >> Most browsers to well with such as long as the link is surrounded by >> the left-right arrows delineate the links contents even if it is wrapped to >> several lines on your screen. > > Please try to keep up with the contex

Re: URLs in Mutt

2024-01-01 Thread Nicolas George
gene heskett (12024-01-01): > Most browsers to well with such as long as the link is surrounded by > the left-right arrows delineate the links contents even if it is wrapped to > several lines on your screen. Please try to keep up with the context of the discussion, we were talking about links di

Re: URLs in Mutt

2024-01-01 Thread gene heskett
On 1/1/24 11:52, Nicolas George wrote: Greg Wooledge (12024-01-01): It's been my experience that the hyperlinks I'm meant to click are so long that they wrap around the terminal width multiple times. This makes copy/pasting them tedious at best, and even then it still sometimes fails for me.

Re: URLs in Mutt

2024-01-01 Thread John Hasler
Greg Wooledge: > It's been my experience that the hyperlinks I'm meant to click are so > long that they wrap around the terminal width multiple times. This > makes copy/pasting them tedious at best, and even then it still > sometimes fails for me. My wife has the same problem. -- John Hasler j.

Re: URLs in Mutt

2024-01-01 Thread Nicolas George
Greg Wooledge (12024-01-01): > It's been my experience that the hyperlinks I'm meant to click are so > long that they wrap around the terminal width multiple times. This > makes copy/pasting them tedious at best, and even then it still > sometimes fails for me. Surprising. The graphical web brows

Re: URLs in Mutt

2024-01-01 Thread Andy Smith
Hello, On Mon, Jan 01, 2024 at 09:23:03AM -0500, Greg Wooledge wrote: > Passing the entire text/html part to an actual web browser has been > what works best for me. Me too. I'll do the mailcap thing to visually skim the text/html part with w3m, but there are so many broken HTML messes that I'm o

Re: URLs in Mutt

2024-01-01 Thread Greg Wooledge
On Mon, Jan 01, 2024 at 11:42:59AM +0100, Nicolas George wrote: > Greg Wooledge (12023-12-31): > > Have your browser load THAT file. > > Or just have this: > > text/html; lynx -force_html -dump %s; copiousoutput > > in your .mailcap file. Possibly along with: > > auto_view text/html > > in the

Re: URLs in Mutt

2024-01-01 Thread Nicolas George
Greg Wooledge (12023-12-31): > Have your browser load THAT file. Or just have this: text/html; lynx -force_html -dump %s; copiousoutput in your .mailcap file. Possibly along with: auto_view text/html in the .muttrc. Regards, -- Nicolas George

Re: URLs in Mutt

2024-01-01 Thread Michael Kjörling
On 31 Dec 2023 22:51 -0500, from pa...@quillandmouse.com (Paul M Foster): > As a solution, I took that email from my mutt mail file and stripped out > all the headers and non-HTML content. Then I fed that to my browser. Sorta > worked. However, the button I was supposed to click di

Re: URLs in Mutt

2023-12-31 Thread Greg Marks
> Like everyone else, I get emails with links in them which need to be > clicked to change passwords, verify identity and such. I was a loyal mutt > user for years, but problems with URLs caused me to eventually change to > claws-mail. Recently, I tweaked my mutt config, and URLs se

Re: URLs in Mutt

2023-12-31 Thread Greg Wooledge
oded version of the file, rather than the raw text.[1] > As a solution, I took that email from my mutt mail file and stripped out > all the headers and non-HTML content. Then I fed that to my browser. If you received a correctly formatted email, it should contain one or more parts, each of

URLs in Mutt

2023-12-31 Thread Paul M Foster
Folks: Like everyone else, I get emails with links in them which need to be clicked to change passwords, verify identity and such. I was a loyal mutt user for years, but problems with URLs caused me to eventually change to claws-mail. Recently, I tweaked my mutt config, and URLs seemed to work

On file systems [was: Image handling in mutt]

2023-12-11 Thread tomas
On Tue, Dec 12, 2023 at 06:04:04AM +0800, jeremy ardley wrote: [...] > If you look at the NTFS file system [...] > Underneath the hood of a NTFS file is alternate data streams (ADS). That is > a single file can contain main different 'sub files' of completely different > content type. Each ADS h

Re: Image handling in mutt

2023-12-11 Thread jeremy ardley
On 12/12/23 01:49, Jeremy Nicoll wrote: There's no concept of filetype in file systems used for the MVS side of z/OS systems. (These days there's also Unix/Linux environments & of course they do have more familiar file naming structures.) If you look at the NTFS file system - supported by m

Re: Image handling in mutt

2023-12-11 Thread songbird
debian-u...@howorth.org.uk wrote: > songbird wrote: >> wrote: >> > On Sun, Dec 10, 2023 at 01:28:20PM -0500, songbird wrote: >> >> wrote: >> >> there is rarely a need to e-mail me directly. >> >> >> ... >> >> > That's why I cringe when people name executables "foo.sh". What >> >> > do

Re: Image handling in mutt

2023-12-11 Thread Jeremy Nicoll
On Mon, 11 Dec 2023, at 13:16, Greg Wooledge wrote: > 4) File extensions are used by programs on every operating system. Certainly on many OSes, but not all. They're not present on native RISC OS systems (as in ex-Acorn micros). Filetype data IS stored, but it is in files' metadata. There's n

Re: Image handling in mutt

2023-12-11 Thread David Wright
ere is > > > > > > > an image to > > > > > > > view, viewing it in neomutt calls up one of the ImageMagick > > > > > > > programs. I've set > > > > > > > the mailcap_path variable in my neomutt config to point to

Re: Image handling in mutt

2023-12-11 Thread tomas
On Mon, Dec 11, 2023 at 10:10:31AM -0500, Stefan Monnier wrote: [...] > I think what you're saying is that it would make sense to use > a dedicated extension for executables, like, say, `.exe`, > since "all users rely on it being" executable. I'd prefer ".com", but hey ;-) > FWIW, I agree, but

Re: Image handling in mutt

2023-12-11 Thread David Wright
On Mon 11 Dec 2023 at 10:07:28 (+1100), Zenaan Harkness wrote: > > Second, how do I fix this so that mutt uses feh to display images? > > Here is my mailcap entry, which works for me - had to deal with > annoying filename munging by mutt, and getting the "close the viewer"

Re: Image handling in mutt

2023-12-11 Thread debian-user
songbird wrote: > wrote: > > On Sun, Dec 10, 2023 at 01:28:20PM -0500, songbird wrote: > >> wrote: > > there is rarely a need to e-mail me directly. > > >> ... > >> > That's why I cringe when people name executables "foo.sh". What > >> > do you do when you decide to rewrite the thing i

Re: Image handling in mutt

2023-12-11 Thread Vincent Lefevre
On 2023-12-11 09:34:09 -0500, Pocket wrote: > On 12/11/23 09:04, Vincent Lefevre wrote: > > On 2023-12-11 08:16:30 -0500, Greg Wooledge wrote: > > > 2) When *receiving* email, mutt will use the sender's MIME type label > > > to decide how to deal with the a

Re: Image handling in mutt

2023-12-11 Thread Stefan Monnier
> (Note that I'd even make a difference: where the implementation matters, > e.g. some shell code to be sourced in, I'd be more lenient in calling > the thing ".sh": after all, its users rely on it being shell code. When > you can change the implementation without changing the function, e.g. > a sh

Re: Image handling in mutt

2023-12-11 Thread Pocket
~/.config/mutt/mailcap-mutt, which is a specially crafted subset of /etc/mailcap with a few additions (like converting webp to a jpeg rather than opening in gimp, and playing midi files the way I want). and set an entry in there for image/jpg to point to /usr/bin/feh. I&#

Re: Image handling in mutt

2023-12-11 Thread tomas
On Mon, Dec 11, 2023 at 08:52:37AM -0600, David Wright wrote: > On Sun 10 Dec 2023 at 15:51:02 (-0500), Pocket wrote: [...] > > File names in Linux are a character string of 255 chars. Again there are > > not file extensions in a Linux file name. > > > > People are conflating the issue. > > >

Re: Image handling in mutt

2023-12-11 Thread David Wright
t;>> I've set > >>>> the mailcap_path variable in my neomutt config to point to ~/.mailcap, > > > > Similarly, I point it to ~/.config/mutt/mailcap-mutt, which is > > a specially crafted subset of /etc/mailcap with a few additions > > (like convertin

Re: Image handling in mutt

2023-12-11 Thread Pocket
On 12/11/23 09:34, Vincent Lefevre wrote: On 2023-12-11 15:16:57 +0100, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: On Mon, Dec 11, 2023 at 02:58:01PM +0100, Vincent Lefevre wrote: I do not care about the "microsoft world", and I doubt that this is required there at the low level (what would be the equivalent of

Re: Image handling in mutt

2023-12-11 Thread tomas
On Mon, Dec 11, 2023 at 03:34:28PM +0100, Vincent Lefevre wrote: > On 2023-12-11 15:16:57 +0100, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > > On Mon, Dec 11, 2023 at 02:58:01PM +0100, Vincent Lefevre wrote: > > > I do not care about the "microsoft world", and I doubt that this is > > > required there at the low lev

Re: Image handling in mutt

2023-12-11 Thread Vincent Lefevre
On 2023-12-11 15:16:57 +0100, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > On Mon, Dec 11, 2023 at 02:58:01PM +0100, Vincent Lefevre wrote: > > I do not care about the "microsoft world", and I doubt that this is > > required there at the low level (what would be the equivalent of the > > Linux kernel) [...] > > This

Re: Image handling in mutt

2023-12-11 Thread Pocket
On 12/11/23 09:04, Vincent Lefevre wrote: On 2023-12-11 08:16:30 -0500, Greg Wooledge wrote: 2) When *receiving* email, mutt will use the sender's MIME type label to decide how to deal with the attachment. But the notion of filename extension is even used in this context too. Quotin

Re: Image handling in mutt

2023-12-11 Thread tomas
On Mon, Dec 11, 2023 at 02:58:01PM +0100, Vincent Lefevre wrote: [...] > I do not care about the "microsoft world", and I doubt that this is > required there at the low level (what would be the equivalent of the > Linux kernel) [...] This depends: the FAT file system (which still is the lowest c

Re: Image handling in mutt

2023-12-11 Thread Vincent Lefevre
On 2023-12-11 08:16:30 -0500, Greg Wooledge wrote: > 2) When *receiving* email, mutt will use the sender's MIME type label >to decide how to deal with the attachment. But the notion of filename extension is even used in this context too. Quoting the

Re: Image handling in mutt

2023-12-11 Thread Vincent Lefevre
On 2023-12-11 07:32:30 -0500, Pocket wrote: > > On 12/11/23 07:12, Vincent Lefevre wrote: > > On 2023-12-10 15:51:02 -0500, Pocket wrote: > > > On Dec 10, 2023, at 3:05 PM, David Wright > > > wrote: > > > > ¹ Re the argument raging in this thread about "extension", the > > > > term is clearly

Re: Image handling in mutt

2023-12-11 Thread Greg Wooledge
> no goal with this thread. > > > I would ask you to continue this discussion elsewhere. It's on topic, so there's no call to ask for the discussion to be discontinued here. The facts are pretty simple: 1) When *sending* email, mutt uses the file's extension to decide

Re: Image handling in mutt

2023-12-11 Thread Loris Bennett
David writes: > Hi, the filename extension is usually irrelevant on Linux, because > Linux tools typically > use the standard 'file' command to inspect the content of the > fileinstead of relying on > the filename to indicate content. It is very often not irrelevant for files that you might want

Re: Image handling in mutt

2023-12-11 Thread Eric S Fraga
On Monday, 11 Dec 2023 at 07:32, Pocket wrote: > No it is microsoft non sense I'm not an MS fanboi but please stop blaming MS for something they did not invent! -- Eric S Fraga via gnus (Emacs 30.0.50 2023-09-14) on Debian 12.2

Re: Image handling in mutt

2023-12-11 Thread Arno Lehmann
All, I do not see the relevance of the discussion about file name extensions, types, suffixes for Debian. Even more so as you are at the stage of repeating statements without bringing new value. In fact, there seems to be no goal with this thread. I would ask you to continue this discussion

Re: Image handling in mutt

2023-12-11 Thread Pocket
On 12/11/23 07:12, Vincent Lefevre wrote: On 2023-12-10 15:51:02 -0500, Pocket wrote: On Dec 10, 2023, at 3:05 PM, David Wright wrote: ¹ Re the argument raging in this thread about "extension", the term is clearly appropriate, as a glance at /etc/mime.types demonstrates. The literature is

Re: Image handling in mutt

2023-12-11 Thread Pocket
On 12/11/23 06:39, Vincent Lefevre wrote: On 2023-12-08 17:06:15 -0500, Pocket wrote: On 12/8/23 16:53, David wrote: Hi, the filename extension is usually irrelevant on Linux, because Linux tools typically use the standard 'file' command to inspect the content of the fileinstead of relying on

Re: Image handling in mutt

2023-12-11 Thread Vincent Lefevre
On 2023-12-10 15:51:02 -0500, Pocket wrote: > On Dec 10, 2023, at 3:05 PM, David Wright wrote: > > ¹ Re the argument raging in this thread about "extension", the > > term is clearly appropriate, as a glance at /etc/mime.types > > demonstrates. The literature is full of the term. > > > > I woul

Re: Image handling in mutt

2023-12-11 Thread Vincent Lefevre
On 2023-12-08 17:06:15 -0500, Pocket wrote: > On 12/8/23 16:53, David wrote: > > Hi, the filename extension is usually irrelevant on Linux, because > > Linux tools typically > > use the standard 'file' command to inspect the content of the > > fileinstead of relying on > > the filename to indicate

Re: Image handling in mutt

2023-12-10 Thread songbird
wrote: > On Sun, Dec 10, 2023 at 01:28:20PM -0500, songbird wrote: >> wrote: there is rarely a need to e-mail me directly. >> ... >> > That's why I cringe when people name executables "foo.sh". What do you >> > do when you decide to rewrite the thing in C (or Rust, or whatever)? >> > >> > Do

Re: Image handling in mutt

2023-12-10 Thread Zenaan Harkness
> Finally, occasionally I need to cleanly dump html, this one seems a bit > simpler: > > text/html; lynx -stdin -dump -width=$COLS; copiousoutput; compose=vim %s I meant "cleanly _view_ html ..."

Re: Image handling in mutt

2023-12-10 Thread Zenaan Harkness
> Second, how do I fix this so that mutt uses feh to display images? Here is my mailcap entry, which works for me - had to deal with annoying filename munging by mutt, and getting the "close the viewer" bit working - this is quite a few years ago and now I can't even remember w

Re: Image handling in mutt

2023-12-10 Thread Pocket
e: >>>> >>>> I'm on Debian bookworm, using neomutt for email. Where there is an image to >>>> view, viewing it in neomutt calls up one of the ImageMagick programs. I've >>>> set >>>> the mailcap_path variable in my neomutt confi

Re: Image handling in mutt

2023-12-10 Thread David Wright
On Sun 10 Dec 2023 at 19:48:29 (+0100), to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > On Sun, Dec 10, 2023 at 01:28:20PM -0500, songbird wrote: > > wrote: > > ... > > > That's why I cringe when people name executables "foo.sh". What do you > > > do when you decide to rewrite the thing in C (or Rust, or whatever)? > >

Re: Image handling in mutt

2023-12-10 Thread David Wright
is an image > > > to > > > view, viewing it in neomutt calls up one of the ImageMagick programs. > > > I've set > > > the mailcap_path variable in my neomutt config to point to ~/.mailcap, Similarly, I point it to ~/.config/mutt/mailcap-mutt, which

Re: Image handling in mutt

2023-12-10 Thread tomas
On Sun, Dec 10, 2023 at 01:28:20PM -0500, songbird wrote: > wrote: > ... > > That's why I cringe when people name executables "foo.sh". What do you > > do when you decide to rewrite the thing in C (or Rust, or whatever)? > > > > Do you go over all calling sites and change the caller's code? > >

Re: Image handling in mutt

2023-12-10 Thread songbird
wrote: ... > That's why I cringe when people name executables "foo.sh". What do you > do when you decide to rewrite the thing in C (or Rust, or whatever)? > > Do you go over all calling sites and change the caller's code? no, i would just consider it a transition or a change in versions. :)

Re: Image handling in mutt

2023-12-10 Thread tomas
On Sun, Dec 10, 2023 at 04:15:22PM -, Curt wrote: > On 2023-12-09, Eric S Fraga wrote: > > On Friday, 8 Dec 2023 at 17:06, Pocket wrote: > >> In Unix and Linux there isn't a file extension, that is a microsoft > >> invention. > > > > Predates MS by years. Systems like RSTS/E on PDP-11s, just

Re: Image handling in mutt

2023-12-10 Thread Curt
On 2023-12-09, Eric S Fraga wrote: > On Friday, 8 Dec 2023 at 17:06, Pocket wrote: >> In Unix and Linux there isn't a file extension, that is a microsoft >> invention. > > Predates MS by years. Systems like RSTS/E on PDP-11s, just to name one. They certainly are convenient. I must be stupid o

Re: Image handling in mutt

2023-12-09 Thread Eric S Fraga
On Friday, 8 Dec 2023 at 17:06, Pocket wrote: > In Unix and Linux there isn't a file extension, that is a microsoft > invention. Predates MS by years. Systems like RSTS/E on PDP-11s, just to name one. -- Eric S Fraga via gnus (Emacs 30.0.50 2023-09-14) on Debian 12.2

Re: Image handling in mutt

2023-12-08 Thread Pocket
On 12/8/23 17:55, Greg Wooledge wrote: On Fri, Dec 08, 2023 at 04:50:04PM -0600, John Hasler wrote: Greg writes: cc(1) and make(1) would like to have a talk with you. Those are applications and can do whatever they want. The OS does not care about extensions. What do you consider "the OS"

Re: Image handling in mutt

2023-12-08 Thread Pocket
On 12/8/23 18:17, Greg Wooledge wrote: On Fri, Dec 08, 2023 at 05:59:58PM -0500, Pocket wrote: On 12/8/23 17:54, Greg Wooledge wrote: cc(1) looks at the file extension to decide what kind of content each named argument file is expected to contain. No it looks for a suffix So Debian files ha

Re: Image handling in mutt

2023-12-08 Thread Greg Wooledge
On Fri, Dec 08, 2023 at 05:59:58PM -0500, Pocket wrote: > On 12/8/23 17:54, Greg Wooledge wrote: > > cc(1) looks at the file extension to decide what kind of content each > > named argument file is expected to contain. > No it looks for a suffix So Debian files have "suffixes" and Windows files h

Re: Image handling in mutt

2023-12-08 Thread mick.crane
On 2023-12-08 22:55, Greg Wooledge wrote: On Fri, Dec 08, 2023 at 04:50:04PM -0600, John Hasler wrote: Greg writes: > cc(1) and make(1) would like to have a talk with you. Those are applications and can do whatever they want. The OS does not care about extensions. What do you consider "the O

Re: Image handling in mutt

2023-12-08 Thread Pocket
hich decides what Content-type header to generate for a given static file based on its extension. I would imagine other web servers do the same thing. Apache is an application that looks for a file suffix And hey, I'm using mutt to compose and send this email. If I were to attach a

Re: Image handling in mutt

2023-12-08 Thread Greg Wooledge
On Fri, Dec 08, 2023 at 04:50:04PM -0600, John Hasler wrote: > Greg writes: > > cc(1) and make(1) would like to have a talk with you. > > Those are applications and can do whatever they want. The OS does not > care about extensions. What do you consider "the OS" to be, then?

Re: Image handling in mutt

2023-12-08 Thread Greg Wooledge
7;s also Apache, which decides what Content-type header to generate for a given static file based on its extension. I would imagine other web servers do the same thing. And hey, I'm using mutt to compose and send this email. If I were to attach a file to this message, mutt would look at its e

Re: Image handling in mutt

2023-12-08 Thread Pocket
On 12/8/23 17:41, Pocket wrote: On 12/8/23 17:31, Greg Wooledge wrote: On Fri, Dec 08, 2023 at 05:06:15PM -0500, Pocket wrote: In Unix and Linux there isn't a file extension, that is a microsoft invention. cc(1) and make(1) would like to have a talk with you. Linux/Unix filenaming specs w

Re: Image handling in mutt

2023-12-08 Thread John Hasler
Greg writes: > cc(1) and make(1) would like to have a talk with you. Those are applications and can do whatever they want. The OS does not care about extensions. -- John Hasler j...@sugarbit.com Elmwood, WI USA

Re: Image handling in mutt

2023-12-08 Thread Pocket
On 12/8/23 17:31, Greg Wooledge wrote: On Fri, Dec 08, 2023 at 05:06:15PM -0500, Pocket wrote: In Unix and Linux there isn't a file extension, that is a microsoft invention. cc(1) and make(1) would like to have a talk with you. Linux/Unix filenaming specs would like to inform you. file spe

Re: Image handling in mutt

2023-12-08 Thread Greg Wooledge
On Fri, Dec 08, 2023 at 05:06:15PM -0500, Pocket wrote: > In Unix and Linux there isn't a file extension, that is a microsoft > invention. cc(1) and make(1) would like to have a talk with you.

Re: Image handling in mutt

2023-12-08 Thread Pocket
play" alternative to feh with update-alternatives. Still, mutt is calling an imagemagick program to display jpgs. First, if alternatives doesn't point to the imagemagick program, and the mailcap file doesn't point to it, and there's nothing in the neomutt config pointing to the

Re: Image handling in mutt

2023-12-08 Thread David
en > > > set > > ↑↑↑ try jpeg > > > > > the "display" alternative to feh with update-alternatives. Still, mutt is > > > calling an imagemagick program to display jpgs. > > > > > > First, if altern

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