Re: [OT] Re: getting a new Debian box

2007-05-31 Thread Andrew Sackville-West
On Thu, May 31, 2007 at 09:05:32AM -0400, Douglas Allan Tutty wrote: > On Wed, May 30, 2007 at 09:13:32PM -0700, Andrew Sackville-West wrote: > > > So... you're not interested in my bridge for sale? > > If he buys your bridge, how will you chew your food? that's what the kids are for!! A sig

Re: [OT] Re: getting a new Debian box

2007-05-31 Thread Andrew Sackville-West
On Thu, May 31, 2007 at 01:11:37AM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: > On 05/30/07 23:12, Andrew Sackville-West wrote: > >On Tue, May 29, 2007 at 06:06:43PM -0400, Andrew J. Barr wrote: > >>-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > >>Hash: SHA1 > >> > >>On Tue, 29 May 2007 13:21:32 -0700 > >>Andrew Sackville-We

Re: [OT] Re: getting a new Debian box

2007-05-31 Thread Douglas Allan Tutty
On Wed, May 30, 2007 at 09:13:32PM -0700, Andrew Sackville-West wrote: > So... you're not interested in my bridge for sale? If he buys your bridge, how will you chew your food? Doug. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTE

Re: [OT] Re: getting a new Debian box

2007-05-30 Thread Ron Johnson
On 05/30/07 23:12, Andrew Sackville-West wrote: On Wed, May 30, 2007 at 02:48:34AM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: On 05/29/07 21:08, Chris Bannister wrote: On Tue, May 29, 2007 at 01:21:32PM -0700, Andrew Sackville-West wrote: On Tue, May 29, 2007 at 11:34:00AM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: The new one

Re: [OT] Re: getting a new Debian box

2007-05-30 Thread Ron Johnson
On 05/30/07 23:12, Andrew Sackville-West wrote: On Tue, May 29, 2007 at 06:06:43PM -0400, Andrew J. Barr wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Tue, 29 May 2007 13:21:32 -0700 Andrew Sackville-West <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: maybe I'm getting too old (don't trust anyone over 30

Re: [OT] Re: getting a new Debian box

2007-05-30 Thread Andrew Sackville-West
On Wed, May 30, 2007 at 05:19:51AM -0500, Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote: > Andrew Sackville-West wrote: > >On Tue, May 29, 2007 at 02:52:03PM -0400, Douglas Allan Tutty wrote: > >>On Tue, May 29, 2007 at 11:34:00AM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: > >>>On 05/21/07 07:30, Douglas Allan Tutty wrote: > >> > > Go

Re: [OT] Re: getting a new Debian box

2007-05-30 Thread Andrew Sackville-West
On Tue, May 29, 2007 at 06:06:43PM -0400, Andrew J. Barr wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > On Tue, 29 May 2007 13:21:32 -0700 > Andrew Sackville-West <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > maybe I'm getting too old (don't trust anyone over 30!), > > I'm 22... like I said...

Re: [OT] Re: getting a new Debian box

2007-05-30 Thread Andrew Sackville-West
On Wed, May 30, 2007 at 02:48:34AM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: > On 05/29/07 21:08, Chris Bannister wrote: > >On Tue, May 29, 2007 at 01:21:32PM -0700, Andrew Sackville-West wrote: > >>>On Tue, May 29, 2007 at 11:34:00AM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: > >>>The new one didn't have the same capabilites and

Re: [OT] Re: getting a new Debian box

2007-05-30 Thread Hugo Vanwoerkom
Andrew Sackville-West wrote: On Tue, May 29, 2007 at 02:52:03PM -0400, Douglas Allan Tutty wrote: On Tue, May 29, 2007 at 11:34:00AM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: On 05/21/07 07:30, Douglas Allan Tutty wrote: > Good reason to have a big case. With the CM-Stacker, the PSU can be removed from eit

Re: [OT] Re: getting a new Debian box

2007-05-30 Thread Ron Johnson
On 05/29/07 21:08, Chris Bannister wrote: On Tue, May 29, 2007 at 01:21:32PM -0700, Andrew Sackville-West wrote: On Tue, May 29, 2007 at 11:34:00AM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: The new one didn't have the same capabilites and cost more. The new one seems to be designed for the modern gamer with cl

Re: [OT] Re: getting a new Debian box

2007-05-29 Thread Chris Bannister
On Tue, May 29, 2007 at 01:21:32PM -0700, Andrew Sackville-West wrote: > > On Tue, May 29, 2007 at 11:34:00AM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: > > The new one didn't have the same capabilites and cost more. The new one > > seems to be designed for the modern gamer with clear side panel so your > > MB coo

Re: [OT] Re: getting a new Debian box

2007-05-29 Thread Andrew J. Barr
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Tue, 29 May 2007 13:21:32 -0700 Andrew Sackville-West <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > maybe I'm getting too old (don't trust anyone over 30!), I'm 22... > but WTF is > the point? Does one somehow play better if there are cool lights > inside the cas

Re: [OT] Re: getting a new Debian box

2007-05-29 Thread Andrew Sackville-West
On Tue, May 29, 2007 at 02:52:03PM -0400, Douglas Allan Tutty wrote: > On Tue, May 29, 2007 at 11:34:00AM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: > > On 05/21/07 07:30, Douglas Allan Tutty wrote: > > > > >Good reason to have a big case. With the CM-Stacker, the PSU can be > > >removed from either the inside, o

Re: [OT] Re: getting a new Debian box

2007-05-29 Thread Douglas Allan Tutty
On Tue, May 29, 2007 at 11:34:00AM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: > On 05/21/07 07:30, Douglas Allan Tutty wrote: > > >Good reason to have a big case. With the CM-Stacker, the PSU can be > >removed from either the inside, or more conveniently, from the rear > >(once you unplug all the cables))); no ne

Re: [OT] Re: getting a new Debian box

2007-05-29 Thread Ron Johnson
On 05/21/07 07:30, Douglas Allan Tutty wrote: On Sun, May 20, 2007 at 09:19:27PM -0400, Roberto C. Sánchez wrote: On Sun, May 20, 2007 at 05:42:56PM -0400, Douglas Allan Tutty wrote: On Sun, May 20, 2007 at 05:35:27PM -0400, Roberto C. Sánchez wrote: On Sun, May 20, 2007 at 02:00:23PM -0700, A

Re: [OT] PSU ramblings (was Re: getting a new Debian box)

2007-05-22 Thread Douglas Allan Tutty
On Tue, May 22, 2007 at 10:38:30AM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: > I know that 12V means 12 volts, but what does the "3" in "12V 3" mean? > The PSU has three separate 12 Volt rails, each with a current limit. 12V 3 means the third rail. Doug. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with

Re: CM-Stacker plus... (was Re: getting a new Debian box)

2007-05-22 Thread Douglas Allan Tutty
On Tue, May 22, 2007 at 10:41:20AM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: > Interesting. Did you get PATA or SATA DVD drive? If SATA, what model? I already had an LG read/burn anything. Its IDE. I have that plus a ZIP drive on the one IDE port. Doug. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] wit

Re: CM-Stacker plus... (was Re: getting a new Debian box)

2007-05-22 Thread Ron Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 05/22/07 08:11, Douglas Allan Tutty wrote: > On Mon, May 21, 2007 at 08:43:37AM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: >> On 05/20/07 15:02, Douglas Allan Tutty wrote: > >> According to a previous post, you only have one HDD? > > After discussions with Lenart

Re: [OT] PSU ramblings (was Re: getting a new Debian box)

2007-05-22 Thread Ron Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 05/22/07 09:02, Douglas Allan Tutty wrote: > On Mon, May 21, 2007 at 11:50:31AM -0700, Andrew Sackville-West wrote: >> On Mon, May 21, 2007 at 08:36:47AM -0400, Douglas Allan Tutty wrote: >>> On Sun, May 20, 2007 at 10:31:30PM -0700, Andrew Sackvill

Re: [OT] PSU ramblings (was Re: getting a new Debian box)

2007-05-22 Thread Andrew Sackville-West
On Tue, May 22, 2007 at 10:02:37AM -0400, Douglas Allan Tutty wrote: > On Mon, May 21, 2007 at 11:50:31AM -0700, Andrew Sackville-West wrote: > > On Mon, May 21, 2007 at 08:36:47AM -0400, Douglas Allan Tutty wrote: > > > On Sun, May 20, 2007 at 10:31:30PM -0700, Andrew Sackville-West wrote: > > >

Re: CM-Stacker plus... (was Re: getting a new Debian box)

2007-05-22 Thread Douglas Allan Tutty
On Mon, May 21, 2007 at 08:43:37AM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: > On 05/20/07 15:02, Douglas Allan Tutty wrote: > According to a previous post, you only have one HDD? After discussions with Lenart Sorrensen on amd64, I decided to get a second drive and raid1 the system. I filled up the front with

Re: [OT] PSU ramblings (was Re: getting a new Debian box)

2007-05-22 Thread Douglas Allan Tutty
On Mon, May 21, 2007 at 11:50:31AM -0700, Andrew Sackville-West wrote: > On Mon, May 21, 2007 at 08:36:47AM -0400, Douglas Allan Tutty wrote: > > On Sun, May 20, 2007 at 10:31:30PM -0700, Andrew Sackville-West wrote: > ON a side note, have you noticed that its hard to actually find useful > repla

[OT] PSU ramblings (was Re: getting a new Debian box)

2007-05-21 Thread Andrew Sackville-West
On Mon, May 21, 2007 at 08:36:47AM -0400, Douglas Allan Tutty wrote: > On Sun, May 20, 2007 at 10:31:30PM -0700, Andrew Sackville-West wrote: > > On Sun, May 20, 2007 at 05:35:27PM -0400, Roberto C. Sánchez wrote: > > > Is the PSU really more failure prone than any other component? > > > > it is m

Re: [OT] Re: getting a new Debian box

2007-05-21 Thread Roberto C . Sánchez
On Mon, May 21, 2007 at 08:30:40AM -0400, Douglas Allan Tutty wrote: > > Good reason to have a big case. With the CM-Stacker, the PSU can be > removed from either the inside, or more conveniently, from the rear > (once you unplug all the cables))); no need to remove anything else. > Yeah. It

Re: CM-Stacker plus... (was Re: getting a new Debian box)

2007-05-21 Thread Hugo Vanwoerkom
Ron Johnson wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 05/20/07 15:02, Douglas Allan Tutty wrote: On Sat, May 19, 2007 at 06:07:33PM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: On 05/19/07 08:05, Douglas Allan Tutty wrote: [snip] I only make a computer every 10 years or so. I went a little bleedi

CM-Stacker plus... (was Re: getting a new Debian box)

2007-05-21 Thread Ron Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 05/20/07 15:02, Douglas Allan Tutty wrote: > On Sat, May 19, 2007 at 06:07:33PM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: >> On 05/19/07 08:05, Douglas Allan Tutty wrote: >> [snip] >>> I only make a computer every 10 years or so. I went a little >>> bleeding-edge

Re: [OT] Re: getting a new Debian box

2007-05-21 Thread Douglas Allan Tutty
On Sun, May 20, 2007 at 10:31:30PM -0700, Andrew Sackville-West wrote: > On Sun, May 20, 2007 at 05:35:27PM -0400, Roberto C. Sánchez wrote: > > Is the PSU really more failure prone than any other component? > > it is my understanding, having long ago lost the source, that the PSU > is the *most*

Re: [OT] Re: getting a new Debian box

2007-05-21 Thread Douglas Allan Tutty
On Sun, May 20, 2007 at 09:19:27PM -0400, Roberto C. Sánchez wrote: > On Sun, May 20, 2007 at 05:42:56PM -0400, Douglas Allan Tutty wrote: > > On Sun, May 20, 2007 at 05:35:27PM -0400, Roberto C. Sánchez wrote: > > > On Sun, May 20, 2007 at 02:00:23PM -0700, Andrew Sackville-West wrote: > > > > On

Re: [OT] Re: getting a new Debian box

2007-05-20 Thread Andrew Sackville-West
On Sun, May 20, 2007 at 05:35:27PM -0400, Roberto C. Sánchez wrote: > On Sun, May 20, 2007 at 02:00:23PM -0700, Andrew Sackville-West wrote: > > On Sun, May 20, 2007 at 04:02:29PM -0400, Douglas Allan Tutty wrote: > > > > > > My _first_ consideration (other than not going bankrupt) was longevity,

Re: [OT] Re: getting a new Debian box

2007-05-20 Thread Klein Moebius
* Douglas Allan Tutty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2007-05-20 17:42:56 -0400]: > No, but if it goes, it can take the whole thing with it. If it goes > slightly, its a PITA to track down. Why dither? Keep it cool. I've set a laptop in a refrigerator in order to get a critical backup off a failing drive

Re: [OT] Re: getting a new Debian box

2007-05-20 Thread Roberto C . Sánchez
On Sun, May 20, 2007 at 05:42:56PM -0400, Douglas Allan Tutty wrote: > On Sun, May 20, 2007 at 05:35:27PM -0400, Roberto C. Sánchez wrote: > > On Sun, May 20, 2007 at 02:00:23PM -0700, Andrew Sackville-West wrote: > > > On Sun, May 20, 2007 at 04:02:29PM -0400, Douglas Allan Tutty wrote: > > > > I

Re: [OT] Re: getting a new Debian box

2007-05-20 Thread Douglas Allan Tutty
On Sun, May 20, 2007 at 05:35:27PM -0400, Roberto C. Sánchez wrote: > On Sun, May 20, 2007 at 02:00:23PM -0700, Andrew Sackville-West wrote: > > On Sun, May 20, 2007 at 04:02:29PM -0400, Douglas Allan Tutty wrote: > > Is the PSU really more failure prone than any other component? > No, but if it

Re: getting a new Debian box

2007-05-20 Thread Douglas Allan Tutty
On Sun, May 20, 2007 at 02:00:23PM -0700, Andrew Sackville-West wrote: > On Sun, May 20, 2007 at 04:02:29PM -0400, Douglas Allan Tutty wrote: > > > > My _first_ consideration (other than not going bankrupt) was longevity, > > hense the huge case, PSU in bottom bay, and lots of fans. Good reliable

[OT] Re: getting a new Debian box

2007-05-20 Thread Roberto C . Sánchez
On Sun, May 20, 2007 at 02:00:23PM -0700, Andrew Sackville-West wrote: > On Sun, May 20, 2007 at 04:02:29PM -0400, Douglas Allan Tutty wrote: > > > > My _first_ consideration (other than not going bankrupt) was longevity, > > hense the huge case, PSU in bottom bay, and lots of fans. Good reliable

Re: getting a new Debian box

2007-05-20 Thread Andrew Sackville-West
On Sun, May 20, 2007 at 04:02:29PM -0400, Douglas Allan Tutty wrote: > > My _first_ consideration (other than not going bankrupt) was longevity, > hense the huge case, PSU in bottom bay, and lots of fans. Good reliable > fans also seem to be quieter than cheap unreliable ones. why PSU in the bot

Re: getting a new Debian box

2007-05-20 Thread Douglas Allan Tutty
On Sat, May 19, 2007 at 06:07:33PM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: > On 05/19/07 08:05, Douglas Allan Tutty wrote: > [snip] > > I only make a computer every 10 years or so. I went a little > > bleeding-edge at the time, and got a huge CM-Stacker case with all the > > extra fans, 600W PSU, two drives for

Re: getting a new Debian box

2007-05-20 Thread Daniel Burrows
I've been pretty happy with the desktop system I bought from system76. (that's http://www.system76.com) Their computers come with Ubuntu installed, but Debian runs just fine too. The only sticking points are that hibernation doesn't work, and it uses an NVidia card (which I'm ambivalent about;

Re: getting a new Debian box

2007-05-19 Thread Roberto C . Sánchez
On Sat, May 19, 2007 at 07:24:26PM -0400, Greg Folkert wrote: > On Sat, 2007-05-19 at 18:06 -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: > > On 05/19/07 10:24, mailing.lists wrote: > > [snip] > > > Not all pre-built computers are that bad. I have used Dell PCs in many > > > cases and have never had any trouble. I jus

Re: getting a new Debian box

2007-05-19 Thread Greg Folkert
On Sat, 2007-05-19 at 18:06 -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: > On 05/19/07 10:24, mailing.lists wrote: > [snip] > > Not all pre-built computers are that bad. I have used Dell PCs in many > > cases and have never had any trouble. I just checked a few sites that i > > What are the fan noises like on Dell P

Re: getting a new Debian box

2007-05-19 Thread Ron Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 05/19/07 08:05, Douglas Allan Tutty wrote: [snip] > I only make a computer every 10 years or so. I went a little > bleeding-edge at the time, and got a huge CM-Stacker case with all the > extra fans, 600W PSU, two drives for raid1 and Athlon64 CPU.

Re: getting a new Debian box

2007-05-19 Thread Ron Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 05/19/07 10:24, mailing.lists wrote: [snip] > Not all pre-built computers are that bad. I have used Dell PCs in many > cases and have never had any trouble. I just checked a few sites that i What are the fan noises like on Dell PCs? Their low cost

Re: getting a new Debian box

2007-05-19 Thread Greg Folkert
On Sat, 2007-05-19 at 07:43 -0700, Freddy Freeloader wrote: > I believe the correct model number is the XPS 421, not the 521. At > least that is what was posted on Groklaw. Dimension E520, Inspiron E1505 and XPS 410 Cheers. -- greg, [EMAIL PROTECTED] PGP key: 1024D/B524687C 2003-08-05 Finge

Re: getting a new Debian box

2007-05-19 Thread Freddy Freeloader
Greg Folkert wrote: On Fri, 2007-05-18 at 21:51 -0700, Alexandru Cardaniuc wrote: Hi All! I've been using Debian with my desktop replacement laptop HP Pavilion zv5260 for about 2 years now. This was the only computer I had for about 2.5 years. I got tired of using the laptop constantly. I wa

Re: getting a new Debian box

2007-05-19 Thread mailing.lists
Douglas Allan Tutty wrote: On Fri, May 18, 2007 at 09:51:46PM -0700, Alexandru Cardaniuc wrote: So I decided to get a desktop. I need some advices. I use computer primarily for reading/writing emails, browsing internet, occasional openoffice.org use, watching movies on dvds or any mpeg movi

Re: getting a new Debian box

2007-05-19 Thread Douglas Allan Tutty
On Fri, May 18, 2007 at 09:51:46PM -0700, Alexandru Cardaniuc wrote: > So I decided to get a desktop. I need some advices. > > I use computer primarily for reading/writing emails, browsing internet, > occasional openoffice.org use, watching movies on dvds or any mpeg > movies. Most other times I

Re: getting a new Debian box

2007-05-18 Thread Greg Folkert
On Sat, 2007-05-19 at 01:18 -0400, Greg Folkert wrote: > If you wait until May24th, Dell will be shipping Desktops and Laptops > with Ubuntu Linux pre-installed on them. Everything will work on them. I > believe the same model you just quoted. > > Similar prices too. In fact here is a "blog" with

Re: getting a new Debian box

2007-05-18 Thread Greg Folkert
On Fri, 2007-05-18 at 21:51 -0700, Alexandru Cardaniuc wrote: > Hi All! > > I've been using Debian with my desktop replacement laptop HP Pavilion > zv5260 for about 2 years now. This was the only computer I had for about > 2.5 years. I got tired of using the laptop constantly. I want something > m

getting a new Debian box

2007-05-18 Thread Alexandru Cardaniuc
Hi All! I've been using Debian with my desktop replacement laptop HP Pavilion zv5260 for about 2 years now. This was the only computer I had for about 2.5 years. I got tired of using the laptop constantly. I want something more convenient with a bigger screen and that I can use more comfortably.