On Fri, Sep 24, 2021 at 01:42:50PM -, Curt wrote:
> On 2021-09-24, wrote:
> >
> > As soon as there is non-free software in it, all bets are up.
>
> Actually, the idiom is, and rest assured I'm chiming in purely informatively
> here, as I myself navigate in a foreign tongue *avec plus ou moin
On 2021-09-24, wrote:
>
> As soon as there is non-free software in it, all bets are up.
Actually, the idiom is, and rest assured I'm chiming in purely informatively
here, as I myself navigate in a foreign tongue *avec plus ou moins de
bonheur*, "all bets are off."
It's the jig, normally, that i
On Fri, Sep 24, 2021 at 04:23:28AM -0400, lou wrote:
[...]
> i don't think your lecture is convincing
OK.
> some claim they can read binary or reverse-engineer
>
> forcing user to use some ink might violate anti-monopoly law
This sounds like someone pro-regulations...
>
> if printer maker do
On 9/22/21 2:32 AM, to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
Of course. Lots and lots. This doesn't mean it is a good thing.
Think of that American tractor company (John Deere) where you
can't exchange parts yourself because the built-in software will
notice and refuse to work. And changing that would be a copyr
On Tue, Sep 21, 2021 at 08:14:25PM -0400, lou wrote:
>
> On 9/21/21 3:49 PM, piorunz wrote:
> >.
> >Many Linux distributions are made that way. After all, we want to come
> >away from closed source software. Debian tries to avoid all closed
> >source and/or non-free software, as per The Debian Fre
On Tue, 21 Sep 2021 20:49:20 +0100
piorunz wrote:
Hello piorunz,
>On 21/09/2021 16:56, Brad Rogers wrote:
>> Finally, let us not forget that even the official installers seek to
>> install non-free blobs to get certain hardware working where
>> necessary. The installation inevitably stalls at th
On Ma, 21 sep 21, 20:14:25, lou wrote:
>
> On 9/21/21 3:49 PM, piorunz wrote:
> > .
> > Many Linux distributions are made that way. After all, we want to come
> > away from closed source software. Debian tries to avoid all closed
> > source and/or non-free software, as per The Debian Free Software
On 9/21/21 3:49 PM, piorunz wrote:
.
Many Linux distributions are made that way. After all, we want to come
away from closed source software. Debian tries to avoid all closed
source and/or non-free software, as per The Debian Free Software
Guidelines (DFSG):
https://www.debian.org/social_contr
On 21/09/2021 16:56, Brad Rogers wrote:
Finally, let us not forget that even the official installers seek to
install non-free blobs to get certain hardware working where necessary.
The installation inevitably stalls at that point. Hardly a good first
impression.
Many Linux distributions are ma
On Tue, 21 Sep 2021 15:03:07 - (UTC)
Curt wrote:
Hello Curt,
>Unofficial denotes unsanctioned, unauthorized, unauthoritative, etc., so
>the term quite naturally makes some people a little wary.
And in the context of the installation ISOs, unfortunate. It works
well. Or at least, that is m
On Tue 21 Sep 2021 at 15:03:07 -, Curt wrote:
> On 2021-09-20, piorunz wrote:
> >>
> >> fedora includes firmware, and i think they are serious about open source
> >>
> >> why debian can't do the same?
> >
> > There is nothing wrong about "unofficial" installer with non-free
>
> Unofficial de
On 21/09/2021 16:03, Curt wrote:
On 2021-09-20, piorunz wrote:
fedora includes firmware, and i think they are serious about open source
why debian can't do the same?
There is nothing wrong about "unofficial" installer with non-free
Unofficial denotes unsanctioned, unauthorized, unauthorit
On 2021-09-20, piorunz wrote:
>>
>> fedora includes firmware, and i think they are serious about open source
>>
>> why debian can't do the same?
>
> There is nothing wrong about "unofficial" installer with non-free
Unofficial denotes unsanctioned, unauthorized, unauthoritative, etc., so
the term
On 2021-09-20, The Wanderer wrote:
>
> On 2021-09-20 at 03:21, David Christensen wrote:
>
>> Your message displays strangely on Thunderbird (oversized Courier=20
>> font?).
>
> In my case, it displays with unusually-small characters and what looks
> like a different font, not unusually large ones.
On Mon, Sep 20, 2021 at 06:48:03AM -0400, lou wrote:
>
> On 9/20/21 5:38 AM, Stanislav Vlasov wrote:
> > 2021-09-20 14:04 GMT+05:00, lou :
> > > installer using hard disk method can read firmware in ext3 partition
> > May you take installer with integrated firmware?
> >
> > https://cdimage.debian
On 20/09/2021 11:48, lou wrote:
Thanks, but it's unofficial, and it makes me feel uneasy
fedora includes firmware, and i think they are serious about open source
why debian can't do the same?
There is nothing wrong about "unofficial" installer with non-free
software, if you are going to inst
On 9/20/21 4:16 AM, The Wanderer wrote:
On 2021-09-20 at 03:21, David Christensen wrote:
Your message displays strangely on Thunderbird (oversized Courier
font?).
In my case, it displays with unusually-small characters and what looks
like a different font, not unusually large ones.
Please v
On Mon, Sep 20, 2021 at 07:16:27AM -0400, The Wanderer wrote:
> On 2021-09-20 at 03:21, David Christensen wrote:
>
> > Your message displays strangely on Thunderbird (oversized Courier
> > font?).
>
> In my case, it displays with unusually-small characters and what looks
> like a different font,
Hi,
lou wrote:
> fedora includes firmware, and i think they are serious about open source
Open Source is not necessarily Free Software.
> why debian can't do the same?
There is a checklist for what is officially acceptable
https://www.debian.org/social_contract#guidelines
Fedora makes a spe
On 2021-09-20 at 03:21, David Christensen wrote:
> Your message displays strangely on Thunderbird (oversized Courier
> font?).
In my case, it displays with unusually-small characters and what looks
like a different font, not unusually large ones.
> Please verify that your e-mail client is confi
On Mon, Sep 20, 2021 at 06:48:03AM -0400, lou wrote:
>
> On 9/20/21 5:38 AM, Stanislav Vlasov wrote:
> > 2021-09-20 14:04 GMT+05:00, lou :
> > > installer using hard disk method can read firmware in ext3 partition
> > May you take installer with integrated firmware?
> >
> > https://cdimage.debian
On 9/20/21 5:38 AM, Stanislav Vlasov wrote:
2021-09-20 14:04 GMT+05:00, lou :
installer using hard disk method can read firmware in ext3 partition
May you take installer with integrated firmware?
https://cdimage.debian.org/images/unofficial/non-free/images-including-firmware/
Thanks, but
2021-09-20 14:04 GMT+05:00, lou :
> installer using hard disk method can read firmware in ext3 partition
May you take installer with integrated firmware?
https://cdimage.debian.org/images/unofficial/non-free/images-including-firmware/
--
Stanislav
Thank David, i have installed successfully by hard disk method
installer using hard disk method can read firmware in ext3 partition
i have 2 usb sticks, one for installer, the other for firmware, but
bullseye installer can't read firmware stick
last mail is sent thru mail provider's web int
On 9/19/21 11:14 PM, loushanguan2...@sina.com wrote:
i start bullseye installer from usb stick
it tells me to insert usb stick containing firmwarei fail in this step many
times
after many failures, i learn that firmware shall be in vfat partition, not
ext4and i have to remove installer stick so
i start bullseye installer from usb stick
it tells me to insert usb stick containing firmwarei fail in this step many
times
after many failures, i learn that firmware shall be in vfat partition, not
ext4and i have to remove installer stick so that installer can read firmware
stickthough i have m
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