Re: Help with UDF and BluRay disks

2025-01-24 Thread Timothy M Butterworth
. > > What I first found were instructions to create an empty file of the > propper size, 'mkudffs file', loop mount it, copy files to it, unmount > and burn to the BD disc. > > According to the internet K3B and Brasero are both able to burn BlueRay Data Disks. I haven't t

Re: Help with UDF and BluRay disks

2025-01-24 Thread Bob McGowan
On Fri, 2025-01-24 at 18:23 +, Tim Woodall wrote: > On Fri, 17 Jan 2025, Bob McGowan wrote: > > > Hello list, > > > > I've been trying to figure out how to use my BD disc writer to > > create > > backups of files. > > > > What I first found were instructions to create an empty file of the >

Re: Help with UDF and BluRay disks

2025-01-24 Thread Tim Woodall
On Fri, 17 Jan 2025, Bob McGowan wrote: Hello list, I've been trying to figure out how to use my BD disc writer to create backups of files. What I first found were instructions to create an empty file of the propper size, 'mkudffs file', loop mount it, copy files to it, unmount and burn to the

Re: Help with UDF and BluRay disks

2025-01-20 Thread Thomas Schmitt
Hi, i wrote: > > Nearly half a life ago, my own endeavor with ISO 9660 and optical media > > began with creating a tool which does this splitting automatically: > > > >   http://scdbackup.webframe.org/main_eng.html > >   http://scdbackup.webframe.org/examples.html Roy J. Tellason, Sr. wrote: > Th

Re: Help with UDF and BluRay disks

2025-01-20 Thread Roy J. Tellason, Sr.
On Sunday 19 January 2025 03:37:06 am Thomas Schmitt wrote: > Nearly half a life ago, my own endeavor with ISO 9660 and optical media > began with creating a tool which does this splitting automatically: > >   http://scdbackup.webframe.org/main_eng.html >   http://scdbackup.webframe.org/examples.h

Re: Help with UDF and BluRay disks

2025-01-20 Thread tomas
On Mon, Jan 20, 2025 at 09:49:19AM +0100, Thomas Schmitt wrote: [...] > (Due to its purpose and the proximity to some words from the iberian > peninsula, i would visualize it as a smiling sausage which burns at > both ends.) Yikes. Chorizo al infierno :-) Cheers -- t signature.asc Descriptio

Re: Help with UDF and BluRay disks

2025-01-20 Thread Eike Lantzsch ZP5CGE / KY4PZ
On Monday, 20 January 2025 05:49:19 GMT-4 Thomas Schmitt wrote: > Hi, > > Bob McGowan wrote: > > The -options_from_file is > > exactly what I was needing and works perfectly. > > Congrats. > I'm glad that UDF was not a hard requirement. > > > Just one last question. How do you pronounce "xorriso"?

Re: Help with UDF and BluRay disks

2025-01-20 Thread Thomas Schmitt
Hi, Bob McGowan wrote: > The -options_from_file is > exactly what I was needing and works perfectly. Congrats. I'm glad that UDF was not a hard requirement. > Just one last question. How do you pronounce "xorriso"? :) Rarely. :)) Normally i only write about it. But i think of it with german p

Re: Help with UDF and BluRay disks

2025-01-19 Thread Bob McGowan
Hi Thomas, On Sun, 2025-01-19 at 09:37 +0100, Thomas Schmitt wrote: > Hi, > > Bob McGowan wrote: > > One question, what I would like to see is a duplicated > > directory/file > > hierachy on the destination.  I have lists of file names in groups > > just > > short of 25G,  but I can't find an eas

Re: Help with UDF and BluRay disks

2025-01-19 Thread Thomas Schmitt
Hi, Bob McGowan wrote: > One question, what I would like to see is a duplicated directory/file > hierachy on the destination. I have lists of file names in groups just > short of 25G, but I can't find an easy way to send the file names to > any of the programs and have them maintain the hierarch

Re: Help with UDF and BluRay disks

2025-01-18 Thread Bob McGowan
Hello Thomas, On Sat, 2025-01-18 at 09:42 +0100, Thomas Schmitt wrote: > > Hi, > > > > Bob McGowan wrote: > > > > I've been trying to figure out how to use my BD disc writer to > > > > create > > > > backups of files. > > > > I do this by Rock Ridge enhanced ISO 9660 on BD-R and BD-RE media, > >

Re: Help with UDF and BluRay disks

2025-01-18 Thread Bob McGowan
On Sat, 2025-01-18 at 14:25 -0500, Sarunas Burdulis wrote: > Are you trying to script/automate? > > If not, just use xfburn (GUI). I'm writing Bluray 25GiB M-disks using > xfburn regularly (archiving a backups' snapshot directory on NAS). > > -- > Šarūnas B

Re: Help with UDF and BluRay disks

2025-01-18 Thread Thomas Schmitt
Hi, Sarunas Burdulis wrote: > just use xfburn (GUI). Xfburn does indeed Blu-ray by help of libburn. But it does no UDF, because it uses libisofs for filesystem production. Insofar the result is supposed to be similar to the results of the xorriso runs which i proposed, but without MD5 checksums i

Re: Help with UDF and BluRay disks

2025-01-18 Thread Sarunas Burdulis
Are you trying to script/automate? If not, just use xfburn (GUI). I'm writing Bluray 25GiB M-disks using xfburn regularly (archiving a backups' snapshot directory on NAS). -- Šarūnas Burdulis Dartmouth Mathematics https://math.dartmouth.edu/~sarunas · https://useplain

Re: Help with UDF and BluRay disks

2025-01-18 Thread Thomas Schmitt
Hi, Bob McGowan wrote: > I've been trying to figure out how to use my BD disc writer to create > backups of files. I do this by Rock Ridge enhanced ISO 9660 on BD-R and BD-RE media, following this example from the man page of xorriso: xorriso \ -abort_on FATAL \ -for_backup -disk_dev_i

Re: Help with UDF and BluRay disks

2025-01-17 Thread Bob McGowan
On Fri, 2025-01-17 at 23:37 -0800, Bob McGowan wrote: > Hello list, > > I've been trying to figure out how to use my BD disc writer to create > backups of files. > > What I first found were instructions to create an empty file of the > propper size, 'mkudffs file', loop mount it, copy files to it

Help with UDF and BluRay disks

2025-01-17 Thread Bob McGowan
Hello list, I've been trying to figure out how to use my BD disc writer to create backups of files. What I first found were instructions to create an empty file of the propper size, 'mkudffs file', loop mount it, copy files to it, unmount and burn to the BD disc. Doing this resulted in a BD disk

Re: Best practice for fresh install on UEFI with multiple disks?

2024-10-31 Thread Boyan Penkov
Hello folks, Just to follow up on this thread, here's how it played out: -- I gave up on EFI, and use just BIOS boot -- each drive has three partitions: a space for grub-install, am mdadm md0 /boot and a btrfs raid1c3 root partition -- grub-install on each dev manually, and I probably need an apt

Re: Best practice for fresh install on UEFI with multiple disks?

2024-09-30 Thread Florent Rougon
e're screwed and the corruption may be copied to other disks, but that's already the case with other partitions in a raid (nowadays there are consistency checks...); - if it has a problem that is visible enough for the md layer to remove the disk from the array, t

Re: Best practice for fresh install on UEFI with multiple disks?

2024-09-30 Thread Boyan Penkov
Hello folks, Thanks kindly -- and my apologies for picking this up after a while; fell sick here... A few questions: -- If I have multiple drives, do I modify the script to have multiple efi2, efi3, ..., efiX ? -- it seems that the script above privileges /boot/efi over /boot/efi2 -- in this ca

Re: Best practice for fresh install on UEFI with multiple disks?

2024-09-20 Thread Tim Woodall
On Fri, 20 Sep 2024, Florent Rougon wrote: Le 20/09/2024, Tim Woodall a écrit: Because the script will abort after the mount fails. root@dirac:~# cat test.sh #!/bin/bash set -e mount /boot/efi2 echo "do important stuff" root@dirac:~# ./test.sh mount: /boot/efi2: /dev/sda2 already mounted

Re: Best practice for fresh install on UEFI with multiple disks?

2024-09-20 Thread Florent Rougon
Le 20/09/2024, Tim Woodall a écrit: > Because the script will abort after the mount fails. > > root@dirac:~# cat test.sh > #!/bin/bash > > set -e > > mount /boot/efi2 > > echo "do important stuff" > > root@dirac:~# ./test.sh > mount: /boot/efi2: /dev/sda2 already mounted on /boot/efi2. >d

Re: Best practice for fresh install on UEFI with multiple disks?

2024-09-20 Thread Tim Woodall
On Fri, 20 Sep 2024, Florent Rougon wrote: Le 20/09/2024, Tim Woodall a ?crit: Haven't looked at the script but assuming it's run set -e, then your suggestion will fail if it's already mounted. Why? Because the script will abort after the mount fails. root@dirac:~# cat test.sh #!/bin/ba

Re: Best practice for fresh install on UEFI with multiple disks?

2024-09-20 Thread Florent Rougon
Le 20/09/2024, Tim Woodall a écrit: > Haven't looked at the script but assuming it's run set -e, then your > suggestion will fail if it's already mounted. Why? -- Florent

Re: Best practice for fresh install on UEFI with multiple disks?

2024-09-19 Thread Tim Woodall
On Thu, 19 Sep 2024, Florent Rougon wrote: Hi, Le 19/09/2024, Andy Smith a ?crit: I don't think the answer, on Debian, has changed since I asked the same question in 2020: https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2020/11/msg00455.html There is a script at [1] to install as, e.g., /etc/gru

Re: Best practice for fresh install on UEFI with multiple disks?

2024-09-19 Thread Florent Rougon
Hi, Le 19/09/2024, Andy Smith a écrit: > I don't think the answer, on Debian, has changed since I asked the > same question in 2020: > > https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2020/11/msg00455.html There is a script at [1] to install as, e.g., /etc/grub.d/90_copy_to_boot_efi2, so that it is a

Re: Best practice for fresh install on UEFI with multiple disks?

2024-09-18 Thread Andy Smith
Hi, On Wed, Sep 18, 2024 at 08:21:10PM -0400, Boyan Penkov wrote: > So, what are folks doing these days to mirror /efi and /boot? [ TL;DR: You already found it - have two separate EFI System Partitions, sync one to the other manually using e.g. rsync whenever one changes, add path

Best practice for fresh install on UEFI with multiple disks?

2024-09-18 Thread Boyan Penkov
Hello folks, New machine, new opportunity to get up to speed with the contemporary best practices for multiple disks on UEFI. The behavior I'd like -- and, I suspect, the behavior we'd all like -- is the machine stays bootable and data is preserved if any disk fails. Specifically, wha

Re: md0 + UUIDs for member disks

2023-12-31 Thread Felix Natter
hello Andy, thanks for the detailed answer. Andy Smith writes: > Hello, > > On Fri, Dec 29, 2023 at 06:17:07PM +0100, Felix Natter wrote: >> Andy Smith writes: >> > But to be absolutely sure you may wish to totally ignore md0 and >> > its member devices during install as all their data and the

Re: md0 + UUIDs for member disks

2023-12-29 Thread Andy Smith
Hello, On Fri, Dec 29, 2023 at 06:17:07PM +0100, Felix Natter wrote: > Andy Smith writes: > > But to be absolutely sure you may wish to totally ignore md0 and > > its member devices during install as all their data and the > > metadata on their member devices will still be there after > > install

Re: md0 + UUIDs for member disks

2023-12-29 Thread Felix Natter
hi Steve, thanks for the quick reply! Steve McIntyre writes: > fnat...@gmx.net wrote: >> >>I have /dev/md0 mounted at /storage which consists of two HDDs. >> >>Now I would like to add an SSD drive for better performance of >>VMs. Usually, before doing this, I m

Re: md0 + UUIDs for member disks

2023-12-29 Thread Felix Natter
mance of >> VMs. Usually, before doing this, I make sure that all of my disks are >> mounted using UUID and not device names. I do not think this is >> the case for the two member HDDs of md0 (cat /proc/mdstat). >> Is there an easy way to fix this? > > What are you t

Re: md0 + UUIDs for member disks

2023-12-29 Thread Steve McIntyre
fnat...@gmx.net wrote: > >I have /dev/md0 mounted at /storage which consists of two HDDs. > >Now I would like to add an SSD drive for better performance of >VMs. Usually, before doing this, I make sure that all of my disks are >mounted using UUID and not device names. I do not

Re: md0 + UUIDs for member disks

2023-12-29 Thread Andy Smith
Hi Felix, On Fri, Dec 29, 2023 at 04:46:10PM +0100, Felix Natter wrote: > I have /dev/md0 mounted at /storage which consists of two HDDs. > > Now I would like to add an SSD drive for better performance of > VMs. Usually, before doing this, I make sure that all of my disks are >

md0 + UUIDs for member disks

2023-12-29 Thread Felix Natter
hello Debian experts, I have /dev/md0 mounted at /storage which consists of two HDDs. Now I would like to add an SSD drive for better performance of VMs. Usually, before doing this, I make sure that all of my disks are mounted using UUID and not device names. I do not think this is the case for

Re: Duplicating 'boot sector' for GPT disks in RAID1

2022-10-07 Thread Andrew Wood
On 07/10/2022 15:39, Andy Smith wrote: Yeah, it's a mess with EFI. I wrote this in November 2020: "Redundancy for EFI System Partition: what do people do in 2020?" https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2020/11/msg00455.html (worth reading replies for more authoritative answe

Re: Duplicating 'boot sector' for GPT disks in RAID1

2022-10-07 Thread Andy Smith
Hi, On Fri, Oct 07, 2022 at 02:50:06PM +0100, Andrew Wood wrote: > How can I ensure that the system is capable of booting from either remaining > disk in the event of a failure? Yeah, it's a mess with EFI. I wrote this in November 2020: "Redundancy for EFI System Partition: what do people do

Duplicating 'boot sector' for GPT disks in RAID1

2022-10-07 Thread Andrew Wood
In the past when Ive had 2 disks in a RAID1 mirror Ive been able replicated the MBR on both such that the system is capable of booting from either in the event of a failure using the command dpkg-reconfigure grub-pc which then allowed both disks to be selected. I was under the impression the

Re: Disks renamed after update to 'testing'...?

2020-08-21 Thread David Christensen
On 2020-08-20 14:58, Andy Smith wrote: ... dm-integrity can now be used with LUKS (with or without encryption) to add checksums that force a read error when they don't match. When there is redundancy (e.g. LVM or MD) a read can then come from a good copy and the bad copy will be repaired. So,

Re: Disks renamed after update to 'testing'...?

2020-08-21 Thread tomas
On Thu, Aug 20, 2020 at 01:34:58PM -0700, David Christensen wrote: > On 2020-08-20 08:32, rhkra...@gmail.com wrote: > >On Thursday, August 20, 2020 03:43:55 AM to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > >>Contraty to the other (very valid) points, my backups are always on > >>a LUKS drive, no partition table. Ratio

Re: Disks renamed after update to 'testing'...?

2020-08-20 Thread Andy Smith
Hello, On Thu, Aug 20, 2020 at 05:30:20PM -0400, Dan Ritter wrote: > David Christensen wrote: > > Some people have mentioned md RAID. tomas has mentioned LUKS. I believe > > both of them add checksums to the contained contents. So, bit-rot within a > > container should be caught by the contain

Re: Disks renamed after update to 'testing'...?

2020-08-20 Thread Dan Ritter
David Christensen wrote: > On 2020-08-20 08:32, rhkra...@gmail.com wrote: > I have been pondering bit-rot mitigation on non-checksumming filesystems. > > > Some people have mentioned md RAID. tomas has mentioned LUKS. I believe > both of them add checksums to the contained contents. So, bit-r

Re: Disks renamed after update to 'testing'...?

2020-08-20 Thread David Christensen
On 2020-08-20 08:32, rhkra...@gmail.com wrote: On Thursday, August 20, 2020 03:43:55 AM to...@tuxteam.de wrote: Contraty to the other (very valid) points, my backups are always on a LUKS drive, no partition table. Rationale is, should I lose it, the less visible information the better. Best if i

Re: Update: Do other owners of WD Gold disks hear a periodic plonk ?

2020-08-20 Thread David Christensen
On 2020-08-20 04:39, Thomas Schmitt wrote: Hi, a while ago i asked about the periodic knocking noise after each 4 seconds of my freshly bought 4 TB HDD WD4003FRYZ. We came to the conclusion that this was a reason to return the disk to the seller. "Click of Death" et.al. I did and got a replacem

Re: Disks renamed after update to 'testing'...?

2020-08-20 Thread rhkramer
On Thursday, August 20, 2020 03:43:55 AM to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > Contraty to the other (very valid) points, my backups are always on > a LUKS drive, no partition table. Rationale is, should I lose it, the > less visible information the better. Best if it looks like a broken > USB stick. No partit

Re: Update: Do other owners of WD Gold disks hear a periodic plonk ?

2020-08-20 Thread Dan Ritter
Thomas Schmitt wrote: > --- > > So my next question to recent HDD buyers: > > What 4 TB HDD should i want for best reliability and no noises when idle ? > Any recent experiences ? Toshiba and Hitachi (owned by WD but not produc

Update: Do other owners of WD Gold disks hear a periodic plonk ?

2020-08-20 Thread Thomas Schmitt
Hi, a while ago i asked about the periodic knocking noise after each 4 seconds of my freshly bought 4 TB HDD WD4003FRYZ. We came to the conclusion that this was a reason to return the disk to the seller. "Click of Death" et.al. I did and got a replacement disk. That one knocks less loudly, more l

Re: Disks renamed after update to 'testing'...?

2020-08-20 Thread Joe
On Thu, 20 Aug 2020 09:43:55 +0200 wrote: > On Wed, Aug 19, 2020 at 02:41:02PM -0700, David Christensen wrote: > > On 2020-08-19 03:03, Urs Thuermann wrote: > > >David Christensen writes: > > > > >>When using a drive as backup media, are there likely use-cases > > >>that benefit from conf

Re: Disks renamed after update to 'testing'...?

2020-08-20 Thread tomas
On Wed, Aug 19, 2020 at 02:41:02PM -0700, David Christensen wrote: > On 2020-08-19 03:03, Urs Thuermann wrote: > >David Christensen writes: > > >>When using a drive as backup media, are there likely use-cases that > >>benefit from configuring the drive with no partition, a single PV, > >>single V

Re: Disks renamed after update to 'testing'...?

2020-08-19 Thread David Christensen
On 2020-08-19 03:03, Urs Thuermann wrote: David Christensen writes: When using a drive as backup media, are there likely use-cases that benefit from configuring the drive with no partition, a single PV, single VG, single LV, and single filesystem vs. configuring the drive with a single partit

Re: Disks renamed after update to 'testing'...?

2020-08-19 Thread Urs Thuermann
David Christensen writes: > Thanks for the explanation. It seems that pvcreate(8) places an LVM > disk label and an LVM metadata area onto disks or partitions when > creating a PV; including a unique UUID: > > https://www.man7.org/linux/man-pages/man8/pvcreate.8.html Yes, co

Re: Disks renamed after update to 'testing'...?

2020-08-19 Thread David Christensen
disks or partitions when creating a PV; including a unique UUID: https://www.man7.org/linux/man-pages/man8/pvcreate.8.html When using a drive as backup media, are there likely use-cases that benefit from configuring the drive with no partition, a single PV, single VG, single LV, and single

Re: Disks renamed after update to 'testing'...?

2020-08-18 Thread Urs Thuermann
Urs Thuermann writes: > IMO the best solution is to use LVM. I use it since 2001 on most > drives and I don't have partitions. And I prefer to use device names > over using the *UUID or *LABEL prefixes. With LVM, device names are > predictable /dev/mapper/- with symlinks > /dev//. Following u

Re: Disks renamed after update to 'testing'...?

2020-08-18 Thread Urs Thuermann
David Christensen writes: > AIUI the OP was mounting an (external?) drive partition for use as a > destination for backups. Prior to upgrading to Testing, the root > partition was /dev/sda1 (no LVM?) and the backup partition was > /dev/sdb1 (no LVM?). After upgrading to Testing, the root partit

Re: Disks renamed after update to 'testing'...?

2020-08-18 Thread David Christensen
On 2020-08-18 11:27, Urs Thuermann wrote: "Rick Thomas" writes: The /dev/sdx names for devices have been unpredictable for quite a while. Which one is sda and which sdb will depend on things like timing -- which one gets recognized by the kernel first. The best solution is to either use UUID

Re: Disks renamed after update to 'testing'...?

2020-08-18 Thread Urs Thuermann
"Rick Thomas" writes: > The /dev/sdx names for devices have been unpredictable for quite a > while. Which one is sda and which sdb will depend on things like > timing -- which one gets recognized by the kernel first. > > The best solution is to either use UUID or LABEL when you fsck > and/or mo

Re: Disks renamed after update to 'testing'...?

2020-08-18 Thread Thomas Schmitt
Hi, i wrote: > > I only deem *UUID as safe, Nicolas George wrote: > UUID can get duplicated too. Just have somebody copy the whole block > device with "good ol' dd". Yes, sure. A HDD of mine got by the Debian installation 128 GPT slots of 128 bytes. So the primary GPT including "protective MBR"

Re: Disks renamed after update to 'testing'...?

2020-08-18 Thread David Christensen
e identifier for a # device; this may be used with UUID= as a more robust way to name devices # that works even if disks are added and removed. See fstab(5). # # # / was on /dev/sda1 during installation UUID=3f50ca38-20f3-4a12-880c-a1283ac6e41b / ext4 errors=remount-ro 0

Re: Disks renamed after update to 'testing'...?

2020-08-18 Thread Nicolas George
Thomas Schmitt (12020-08-18): > I only deem *UUID as safe, unless the same names on different devices > are intented and always only one of those devices will be connected. UUID can get duplicated too. Just have somebody copy the whole block device with "good ol' dd". Regards, -- Nicolas Geor

Re: Disks renamed after update to 'testing'...?

2020-08-18 Thread Thomas Schmitt
Hi, didier gaumet wrote: > give a name to the underlyning [GPT] partition Let me add the hint that a GPT partition "name" is a user defined string (in fstab and lsblk: PARTLABEL=) whereas the partition UUIDs in GPT get handed out by partition editors automatically as random data (human readable a

Re: Disks renamed after update to 'testing'...?

2020-08-18 Thread Rick Thomas
On Mon, Aug 17, 2020, at 4:42 PM, hobie of RMN wrote: > Hi, All - > > My brother has been issuing "mount /dev/sdb1" prior to backing up some > files to a second hard disk. He lately upgraded to 'testing', and it > appears (from result of running df) that what the system now calls > /dev/sdb1 is w

Re: Disks renamed after update to 'testing'...?

2020-08-18 Thread didier gaumet
Hello, Apparently, it is also possible to either: - give a name to the filesystem (use e2label to do so, the filesystem being ext4) and mount the filesystem by using this name as a parameter of the mount command instead of /dev/sd* or an UUID - give a name to the underlyning partition (use par

Re: Disks renamed after update to 'testing'...?

2020-08-17 Thread john doe
ue identifier for a # device; this may be used with UUID= as a more robust way to name devices # that works even if disks are added and removed. See fstab(5). #' -- John Doe

Re: Disks renamed after update to 'testing'...?

2020-08-17 Thread hobie of RMN
rrors=remount-ro) Here's the full output: root@shelby:~# cat /etc/fstab # /etc/fstab: static file system information. # # Use 'blkid' to print the universally unique identifier for a # device; this may be used with UUID= as a more robust way to name devices # that works even if

Re: Disks renamed after update to 'testing'...?

2020-08-17 Thread David Christensen
On 2020-08-17 16:42, hobie of RMN wrote: Hi, All - My brother has been issuing "mount /dev/sdb1" prior to backing up some files to a second hard disk. He lately upgraded to 'testing', and it appears (from result of running df) that what the system now calls /dev/sdb1 is what he has thought of a

Disks renamed after update to 'testing'...?

2020-08-17 Thread hobie of RMN
Hi, All - My brother has been issuing "mount /dev/sdb1" prior to backing up some files to a second hard disk. He lately upgraded to 'testing', and it appears (from result of running df) that what the system now calls /dev/sdb1 is what he has thought of as /dev/sda1, the system '/' partition. Tha

Re: Do other owners of WD Gold disks hear a periodic plonk ?

2020-07-25 Thread David Christensen
On 2020-07-25 07:25, Thomas Schmitt wrote: See below for the full output of smartctl -a. I saved one drive that had the click of death (and died shortly thereafter). My notes indicated it passed the manufacturer diagnostic tests, but failed the manufacturer full erase procedure. The last S

Re: Do other owners of WD Gold disks hear a periodic plonk ?

2020-07-25 Thread David Christensen
On 2020-07-25 02:16, Thomas Schmitt wrote: David Christensen wrote: Click of death. At least this is the reality which i will present to the disk vendor while negotiating about replacement. But personally i still have doubts that it is this particular problem. The knocking is not "Click-clic

Re: Do other owners of WD Gold disks hear a periodic plonk ?

2020-07-25 Thread Thomas Schmitt
Hi, i quoted smartctl: > > 4 Start_Stop_Count0x0012 100 100 000Old_age Always - > > 18 > > 9 Power_On_Hours 0x0012 100 100 000Old_age Always - > > 19 > > 12 Power_Cycle_Count 0x0032 100 100 000Old_age Always - > >

Re: Do other owners of WD Gold disks hear a periodic plonk ?

2020-07-25 Thread Reco
On Sat, Jul 25, 2020 at 04:25:16PM +0200, Thomas Schmitt wrote: > 4 Start_Stop_Count0x0012 100 100 000Old_age Always > - 18 > 9 Power_On_Hours 0x0012 100 100 000Old_age Always > - 19 > 12 Power_Cycle_Count 0x0032 100

Re: Do other owners of WD Gold disks hear a periodic plonk ?

2020-07-25 Thread Stefan Monnier
> Stefan Monnier wrote: >> I guess it's still spin-down ^ like Sorry, my fingers didn't obey my brain, Stefan

Re: Do other owners of WD Gold disks hear a periodic plonk ?

2020-07-25 Thread Thomas Schmitt
Hi, Reco wrote: > It's all other lines that are interesting here. > I.e. 'Vendor Specific SMART Attributes with Thresholds' section. I wanted to wait with the long list until the self-test is done. See below for the full output of smartctl -a. Stefan Monnier wrote: > I guess it's still spin-dow

Re: Do other owners of WD Gold disks hear a periodic plonk ?

2020-07-25 Thread Stefan Monnier
> It is its way of saying it's an unsupported feature and you cannot > disable drive heads parking this way. Was worth the shot. I guess it's still spin-down: WD drives support it but just ignore the APM settings of "how long to wait before spin-down" and use their own algorithm instead.

Re: Do other owners of WD Gold disks hear a periodic plonk ?

2020-07-25 Thread Reco
On Sat, Jul 25, 2020 at 11:16:16AM +0200, Thomas Schmitt wrote: > Reco wrote: > > It's simple: > > smartctl -t long /dev/sda > > The short test yielded > Num Test_DescriptionStatus Remaining LifeTime(hours) > LBA_of_first_error > # 1 Short offline Completed with

Re: Do other owners of WD Gold disks hear a periodic plonk ?

2020-07-25 Thread Thomas Schmitt
Hi, rhkra...@gmail.com wrote: > You might not have read the entire [Click_of_death] article. Indeed. Now i need to search my old loudspeakers in order to compare the sound file on Wikipedia with the disk's sound. D. R. Evans wrote: > I can say that my experience (YMMV) is that 100% of the drive

Re: Do other owners of WD Gold disks hear a periodic plonk ?

2020-07-25 Thread Reco
Hi. On Fri, Jul 24, 2020 at 11:35:34PM +0200, Thomas Schmitt wrote: > Reco wrote: > > Have you tried to disable drive heads parking via hdparm? > > hdparm -J ? > The man page says "The factory default is eight (8) seconds". > That would be about twice as long as what i experience. > >

Re: Do other owners of WD Gold disks hear a periodic plonk ?

2020-07-24 Thread David Christensen
On 2020-07-24 14:35, Thomas Schmitt wrote: Hi, Hello. :-) David Christensen wrote: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Click_of_death But that's a different technology (and 20 years ago). I have a few Zip drives on the shelf, but only rarely used them back when. My recent "Click of death"

Re: Do other owners of WD Gold disks hear a periodic plonk ?

2020-07-24 Thread Thomas Amm
On Fri, 2020-07-24 at 12:06 -0700, David Christensen wrote: > On 2020-07-24 11:49, Thomas Schmitt wrote: > > Hi, > > > > i got my new computer with a 4 GB WD Gold (WDC WD4003FRYZ-01F0DB0) > > and > > observe a strange behavior with a provisory Debian 10 LXDE > > installation. > > > > If the drive

Re: Do other owners of WD Gold disks hear a periodic plonk ?

2020-07-24 Thread D. R. Evans
ou might not have read the entire article. > Having experienced this phenomenon multiple times on both Zip disks (!) and hard drives, I can say that my experience (YMMV) is that 100% of the drives that exhibit this phenomenon have failed sometime not long after the phenomenon began -- I recently had a

Re: Do other owners of WD Gold disks hear a periodic plonk ?

2020-07-24 Thread elvis
On 25/7/20 4:49 am, Thomas Schmitt wrote: Hi, i got my new computer with a 4 GB WD Gold (WDC WD4003FRYZ-01F0DB0) and observe a strange behavior with a provisory Debian 10 LXDE installation. If the drive has power then i makes a plonking noise every 3 to 5 seconds. The plonk is louder when Deb

Re: Do other owners of WD Gold disks hear a periodic plonk ?

2020-07-24 Thread rhkramer
On Friday, July 24, 2020 05:35:34 PM Thomas Schmitt wrote: > David Christensen wrote: > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Click_of_death > > But that's a different technology (and 20 years ago). You might not have read the entire article.

Re: Do other owners of WD Gold disks hear a periodic plonk ?

2020-07-24 Thread Thomas Schmitt
Hi, David Christensen wrote: > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Click_of_death But that's a different technology (and 20 years ago). > If you cannot return the drive, I would download, install, and run > "Data Lifeguard Diagnostic for Windows": > https://support.wdc.com/downloads.aspx?DL#downloads

Re: Do other owners of WD Gold disks hear a periodic plonk ?

2020-07-24 Thread David Christensen
On 2020-07-24 12:14, Reco wrote: Hi. On Fri, Jul 24, 2020 at 08:49:42PM +0200, Thomas Schmitt wrote: Hi, i got my new computer with a 4 GB WD Gold (WDC WD4003FRYZ-01F0DB0) and observe a strange behavior with a provisory Debian 10 LXDE installation. If the drive has power then i makes

Re: Do other owners of WD Gold disks hear a periodic plonk ?

2020-07-24 Thread Reco
Hi. On Fri, Jul 24, 2020 at 08:49:42PM +0200, Thomas Schmitt wrote: > Hi, > > i got my new computer with a 4 GB WD Gold (WDC WD4003FRYZ-01F0DB0) and > observe a strange behavior with a provisory Debian 10 LXDE installation. > > If the drive has power then i makes a plonking noise every 3

Re: Do other owners of WD Gold disks hear a periodic plonk ?

2020-07-24 Thread Dan Ritter
Thomas Schmitt wrote: > If the drive has power then i makes a plonking noise every 3 to 5 > seconds. The plonk is louder when Debian runs, but can also be > heard (and felt by direct finger contact with the disk) if only EFI > is running. The sound is not really loud but well hearable when the > r

Re: Do other owners of WD Gold disks hear a periodic plonk ?

2020-07-24 Thread David Christensen
On 2020-07-24 11:49, Thomas Schmitt wrote: Hi, i got my new computer with a 4 GB WD Gold (WDC WD4003FRYZ-01F0DB0) and observe a strange behavior with a provisory Debian 10 LXDE installation. If the drive has power then i makes a plonking noise every 3 to 5 seconds. The plonk is louder when Debi

Do other owners of WD Gold disks hear a periodic plonk ?

2020-07-24 Thread Thomas Schmitt
Hi, i got my new computer with a 4 GB WD Gold (WDC WD4003FRYZ-01F0DB0) and observe a strange behavior with a provisory Debian 10 LXDE installation. If the drive has power then i makes a plonking noise every 3 to 5 seconds. The plonk is louder when Debian runs, but can also be heard (and felt by d

Re: Hard disks auto-spinning-down

2019-10-29 Thread Alex Mestiashvili
writing the email above as far as I remember. I just didn't know how long would it take until it is approved :) >> > Thanks for all this help, guys. Does anyone have any thoughts on why one > generation of an external disk cage wouldn't require this and just spun > down the

Re: Hard disks auto-spinning-down

2019-10-28 Thread Mark Fletcher
> See man hd-idle for the details. > > One could also write to debian-backports, CC: the maintainer and ask > nicely for a backport ;) > Thanks for all this help, guys. Does anyone have any thoughts on why one generation of an external disk cage wouldn't require this and just

Re: Hard disks auto-spinning-down

2019-10-28 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Ma, 01 oct 19, 15:49:57, Alex Mestiashvili wrote: > > You may want to try hd-idle, it is not yet available in stable, but one > can install it from testing (it is not advisable in general, but the > divergence between buster and testing is not that big right now) > wget it from > http://ftp.de.

Re: Hard disks auto-spinning-down

2019-10-01 Thread Alex Mestiashvili
On 9/29/19 1:30 PM, Mark Fletcher wrote: > Since a fresh install of buster, an external USB3 hard disk cage from > Terramaster that I own is not automatically spinning down the disks in > it when they go unused for a time. > > I used a previous generation of the cage with Str

Re: Hard disks auto-spinning-down

2019-10-01 Thread Stefan Monnier
>     logger "Setting spindown on disk drive: $DISK_DEV" >     sdparm --flexible -6 --set SCT=4000 $DISK_DEV >     sdparm --flexible -6 --set STANDBY=1 $DISK_DEV I found sdparm inscrutable so far so I'm really curious how you came up with the above incantation (`sdparm -al /dev/sdb` do

Re: Hard disks auto-spinning-down

2019-09-30 Thread Mark Fletcher
On Mon, Sep 30, 2019 at 01:41:37AM -0700, B wrote: > > > On 9/29/19 4:30 AM, Mark Fletcher wrote: > > Any thoughts on where I might look to find settings that can be tweaked > > to make it spin down when idle? > > > See sdparm and hdparm tools. hdparm is probably the wrong tool because it's > f

Re: Hard disks auto-spinning-down

2019-09-30 Thread B
On 9/29/19 4:30 AM, Mark Fletcher wrote: Any thoughts on where I might look to find settings that can be tweaked to make it spin down when idle? See sdparm and hdparm tools. hdparm is probably the wrong tool because it's for internal drives connected to IDE/ATA/SATA busses. The reason sdp

Re: Rescuing hard disks

2019-09-29 Thread Mark Fletcher
On Fri, Sep 27, 2019 at 01:41:58PM +0100, Jonathan Dowland wrote: > On Mon, Sep 23, 2019 at 03:11:07PM +0500, Alexander V. Makartsev wrote: > > If I understood this right, you have two disks with data and they were > > previously configured as RAID1 volume. > > What make\mod

Hard disks auto-spinning-down

2019-09-29 Thread Mark Fletcher
Since a fresh install of buster, an external USB3 hard disk cage from Terramaster that I own is not automatically spinning down the disks in it when they go unused for a time. I used a previous generation of the cage with Stretch previously, it spun down the disks when they were not in use

Re: Rescuing hard disks

2019-09-27 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Mon, Sep 23, 2019 at 03:11:07PM +0500, Alexander V. Makartsev wrote: If I understood this right, you have two disks with data and they were previously configured as RAID1 volume. What make\model RAID-controller do you use? Because "cages" by themselves offer only SATA\SAS ports fo

Re: Rescuing hard disks

2019-09-24 Thread David Christensen
On 9/24/19 7:00 AM, David wrote: On Tue, 24 Sep 2019 at 07:50, Mark Fletcher wrote: On Mon, Sep 23, 2019 at 03:07:15AM -, Debian Buster wrote: 2. create the parttion exactly as it was. system. I recognise that was only that easy to do because I knew that the original partition arrange

Re: Rescuing hard disks

2019-09-24 Thread David
On Tue, 24 Sep 2019 at 07:50, Mark Fletcher wrote: > On Mon, Sep 23, 2019 at 03:07:15AM -, Debian Buster wrote: > > 2. create the parttion exactly as it was. > system. I recognise that was only that easy to do because I knew that > the original partition arrangement was so simple. If it had

Re: Rescuing hard disks

2019-09-23 Thread Mark Fletcher
On Mon, Sep 23, 2019 at 03:07:15AM -, Debian Buster wrote: > > Posible Options: > 1. if you use lilo, look for a copy of parttions table. > 2. create the parttion exactly as it was. I'm running GRUB not lilo -- used lilo back in the 90's but switched to grub whenever Debian started prescribi

  1   2   3   4   5   6   7   8   9   10   >