Re: debian support and laptops

2009-12-10 Thread Stefan Monnier
> Without kvm support, qemu is *quite a bit* slower. Now, exactly *why* > somebody, in this day and age, would still go on manufacturing > processors without hardware virtualization support built in, is beyond > me. The production costs are in all probability virtually > identical... It's called

Re: debian support and laptops

2009-12-10 Thread Johann Spies
On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 12:05:09AM +1100, Daniel Dalton wrote: > Here is the list: > > 1. Acer travel mate 6293 AU$1799 > 2. hp Compaq 6530S AU$1279 > 3. hp Compaq 610 AU$999 Just a general comment: I have a Lenovo Thinkpad R61 and although I am running Debian on it at the moment, it was no

Re: debian support and laptops

2009-12-10 Thread Osamu Aoki
Hi, On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 12:33:07PM +0100, Klistvud wrote: > Dne, 10. 12. 2009 04:53:45 je Celejar napisal(a): > > > > kvm requires CPU support. My understanding is that the performance of > > qemu is much better when enhanced with kvm. > > Can confirm that. On a sidenote: the HP Compaq 6715

Re: debian support and laptops

2009-12-10 Thread Klistvud
Dne, 10. 12. 2009 04:53:45 je Celejar napisal(a): > > kvm requires CPU support. My understanding is that the performance of > qemu is much better when enhanced with kvm. Can confirm that. On a sidenote: the HP Compaq 6715b with the 2 GHZ dual-core Turion *does* have the CPU extensions required

Re: debian support and laptops

2009-12-10 Thread Klistvud
Dne, 10. 12. 2009 03:28:44 je Daniel Dalton napisal(a): On my laptop, a HP Compaq 6715b, everything works OOB in Debian Lenny, except: - the fingerprint reader does not work, as there is no driver for it (for this hardware, the Linux driver is still "in the works" and will remain so for quite

Re: debian support and laptops

2009-12-09 Thread Camaleón
On Wed, 09 Dec 2009 16:47:06 -0500, Stefan Monnier wrote: >> Yes, but... Debian specific? :-) > > In most respects, this is completely unrelated to the disribution you > use. Yes, I know. But concrete kernel versions may have issues with some specific hardware piece (mostly wifi cards -newer c

Re: debian support and laptops

2009-12-09 Thread Dale
2009/12/9 Daniel Dalton : > Hi, > > Following is a list of laptops. I've narrowed it down to 3 and am > considering buying one and running debian on it. How good is debian > support on these machines? What is good, what is worth avoiding? > I will be doing: > programming, typing, msn, irc, web, ema

Re: debian support and laptops

2009-12-09 Thread Celejar
On Wed, 09 Dec 2009 20:59:48 -0800 Carl Johnson wrote: ... > operating sytems. My understanding is that all mainline AMD 64-bit > processors now have HW support, but many low and medium cost models of > Intel processors do not have the HW support. I know that many Celerons don't have the VT-x

Re: debian support and laptops

2009-12-09 Thread Carl Johnson
Celejar writes: > On Wed, 09 Dec 2009 21:50:22 -0500 > "Jeremy T. Bouse" wrote: > > ... > >> The SVM and VMX flags are only important if you are needing to do >> hardware virtualization. Running virtual machines has been available >> long before these extensions to the CPU came about. The o

Re: debian support and laptops

2009-12-09 Thread Celejar
On Wed, 09 Dec 2009 21:50:22 -0500 "Jeremy T. Bouse" wrote: ... > The SVM and VMX flags are only important if you are needing to do > hardware virtualization. Running virtual machines has been available > long before these extensions to the CPU came about. The only instance > where you rea

Re: debian support and laptops

2009-12-09 Thread Jeremy T. Bouse
Celejar wrote: > On Thu, 10 Dec 2009 13:28:44 +1100 > Daniel Dalton wrote: > >> On Wed, Dec 09, 2009 at 03:13:38PM +0100, tv.deb...@googlemail.com wrote: > > ... > >>> Squeeze right now. Pay attention to the cpu if you want to use virtual >>> machines, mine doesn't have the required cpu flags.

Re: debian support and laptops

2009-12-09 Thread Celejar
On Thu, 10 Dec 2009 13:28:44 +1100 Daniel Dalton wrote: > > On Wed, Dec 09, 2009 at 03:13:38PM +0100, tv.deb...@googlemail.com wrote: ... > > Squeeze right now. Pay attention to the cpu if you want to use virtual > > machines, mine doesn't have the required cpu flags. > > What am I looking ou

Re: debian support and laptops

2009-12-09 Thread Daniel Dalton
On Wed, Dec 09, 2009 at 03:13:38PM +0100, tv.deb...@googlemail.com wrote: > Hi, I have a HP/Compaq 6730s (Intel c2duo T5870 (2ghz), ATI mobility > Radeon HD 3430, same reference can come with very different hardware). Thanks for sharing -- the closest to that I find is the hp 6730b is this a good

Re: debian support and laptops

2009-12-09 Thread Celejar
On Wed, 09 Dec 2009 09:12:16 -0500 "Jeremy T. Bouse" wrote: ... > wifi card everything is usually well supported. Many laptops are using > the Broadcom 43xx wifi cards which work if you use the b43-fwcutter or > ndiswrapper. On my Insprion I simply ordered a replacement Intel wifi > and easily s

Re: debian support and laptops

2009-12-09 Thread Celejar
On Wed, 09 Dec 2009 20:49:39 +0100 godo wrote: ... > From my experience I will look only 2 things: ethernet/wifi card and > graphic card. > Graphic card only if you need 3D acceleration. > > Ethernet/wifi is something that must works in any condition so try to > avoid any ethernet/wifi that

Re: debian support and laptops

2009-12-09 Thread Celejar
On Wed, 09 Dec 2009 20:49:39 +0100 godo wrote: ... > From my experience I will look only 2 things: ethernet/wifi card and > graphic card. > Graphic card only if you need 3D acceleration. > > Ethernet/wifi is something that must works in any condition so try to > avoid any ethernet/wifi that

Re: debian support and laptops

2009-12-09 Thread Stefan Monnier
> Yes, but... Debian specific? :-) In most respects, this is completely unrelated to the disribution you use. Stefan -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org

Re: debian support and laptops

2009-12-09 Thread godo
Daniel Dalton wrote: Hi, Following is a list of laptops. I've narrowed it down to 3 and am considering buying one and running debian on it. How good is debian support on these machines? What is good, what is worth avoiding? I will be doing: programming, typing, msn, irc, web, email, music, virtu

Re: debian support and laptops

2009-12-09 Thread Camaleón
On Wed, 09 Dec 2009 14:26:36 -0500, Celejar wrote: > On Wed, 9 Dec 2009 15:22:49 + (UTC) Camaleón wrote: > > ... > >> But the fact is having a HCL list will be really nice so the users can >> get an idea about the hardware they intend to buy. > > There are lots of HCLs out there, e.g.: > >

Re: debian support and laptops

2009-12-09 Thread Celejar
On Wed, 9 Dec 2009 15:22:49 + (UTC) Camaleón wrote: ... > But the fact is having a HCL list will be really nice so the users can > get an idea about the hardware they intend to buy. There are lots of HCLs out there, e.g.: http://linux-wless.passys.nl/ (for wireless) http://www.linuxquesti

Re: debian support and laptops

2009-12-09 Thread Camaleón
On Wed, 09 Dec 2009 08:50:48 -0500, Celejar wrote: > On Thu, 10 Dec 2009 00:05:09 +1100 > Daniel Dalton wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> Following is a list of laptops. I've narrowed it down to 3 and am >> considering buying one and running debian on it. How good is debian >> support on these machines? Wha

Re: debian support and laptops

2009-12-09 Thread tv.deb...@googlemail.com
Daniel Dalton wrote: > Hi, > > Following is a list of laptops. I've narrowed it down to 3 and am > considering buying one and running debian on it. How good is debian > support on these machines? What is good, what is worth avoiding? > I will be doing: > programming, typing, msn, irc, web, email,

Re: debian support and laptops

2009-12-09 Thread Jeremy T. Bouse
Celejar wrote: > On Thu, 10 Dec 2009 00:05:09 +1100 > Daniel Dalton wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> Following is a list of laptops. I've narrowed it down to 3 and am >> considering buying one and running debian on it. How good is debian >> support on these machines? What is good, what is worth avoiding? >>

Re: debian support and laptops

2009-12-09 Thread Celejar
On Thu, 10 Dec 2009 00:05:09 +1100 Daniel Dalton wrote: > Hi, > > Following is a list of laptops. I've narrowed it down to 3 and am > considering buying one and running debian on it. How good is debian > support on these machines? What is good, what is worth avoiding? > I will be doing: > progra

debian support and laptops

2009-12-09 Thread Daniel Dalton
Hi, Following is a list of laptops. I've narrowed it down to 3 and am considering buying one and running debian on it. How good is debian support on these machines? What is good, what is worth avoiding? I will be doing: programming, typing, msn, irc, web, email, music, virtual machines etc. Here