Re: backup compress on the fly

2005-10-04 Thread Tony Godshall
According to Mike McCarty, > Joe Mc Cool wrote: ... > > > >But, (now that I have installed all those lovely debian goodies), the > >wretched tape is filling up and asking for another. (I erase the > >tape beforehand.) > > > >I really want to fit all my current data, or certainly selected dirs > >

Re: backup compress on the fly

2005-10-03 Thread Mike McCarty
Rogério Brito wrote: On Oct 03 2005, Mike McCarty wrote: OTOH, if the whole image on tape is a compressed one, then tar or gunzip or whatever is simply going to complain that the one (and only) file in the compressed archive is corrupt and unrecoverable. That's not really true when one uses

Re: backup compress on the fly

2005-10-03 Thread Mike McCarty
Alvin Oga wrote: On Mon, 3 Oct 2005, Mike McCarty wrote: most "large capacity" drives uses ECC which does support error correction at least in the firmware and tape controllers to read the data off the tape .. So has every hard disc. But we still get disc errors, don't we? but nobody sai

Re: backup compress on the fly

2005-10-03 Thread Rogério Brito
On Oct 03 2005, Mike McCarty wrote: > OTOH, if the whole image on tape is a compressed one, then tar or > gunzip or whatever is simply going to complain that the one (and only) > file in the compressed archive is corrupt and unrecoverable. That's not really true when one uses bzip2, since it appar

Re: backup compress on the fly

2005-10-03 Thread Alvin Oga
On Mon, 3 Oct 2005, Mike McCarty wrote: > > most "large capacity" drives uses ECC which does support error correction > > at least in the firmware and tape controllers to read the data > > off the tape .. > > So has every hard disc. But we still get disc errors, don't we? but nobody said ecc w

Re: backup compress on the fly

2005-10-03 Thread Ron Johnson
On Mon, 3 Oct 2005 15:53:50 -0700 (PDT) Alvin Oga <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Mon, 3 Oct 2005, Mike McCarty wrote: > > > The point is that, if there is an error, all the CRCs in the > > world won't put the data back together again. If one uses > > crc or ecc ?? > > most "large capacit

Re: backup compress on the fly

2005-10-03 Thread Mike McCarty
Alvin Oga wrote: On Mon, 3 Oct 2005, Mike McCarty wrote: The point is that, if there is an error, all the CRCs in the world won't put the data back together again. If one uses crc or ecc ?? More correctly, FEC (Forward Error Correction). Note that even FEC cannot repair everything. mos

Re: backup compress on the fly

2005-10-03 Thread Alvin Oga
On Mon, 3 Oct 2005, Mike McCarty wrote: > The point is that, if there is an error, all the CRCs in the > world won't put the data back together again. If one uses crc or ecc ?? most "large capacity" drives uses ECC which does support error correction at least in the firmware and tape controlle

Re: backup compress on the fly

2005-10-03 Thread Mike McCarty
Ron Johnson wrote: On Fri, 30 Sep 2005 13:56:45 -0500 Mike McCarty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Joe Mc Cool wrote: [snip] If you are making archives, or you are backing up a system which, if it failed and you lost everything it would be a terrible disaster, then I recommend you *not* to comp

Re: backup compress on the fly

2005-10-01 Thread debian
On Fri, Sep 30, 2005 at 07:03:16AM -0700, Alvin Oga wrote: > find /my_dir \( -type f -o -type l \) | tar zcvf /dev/st0 -T - what are the safe kind of things to exclude ? I was thinking of: -i zip -i cpio (both these are already backups of other data) /proc

Re: backup compress on the fly

2005-09-30 Thread Ron Johnson
On Fri, 30 Sep 2005 13:56:45 -0500 Mike McCarty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Joe Mc Cool wrote: [snip] > > If you are making archives, or you are backing up a system which, > if it failed and you lost everything it would be a terrible > disaster, then I recommend you *not* to compress your backup

Re: backup compress on the fly

2005-09-30 Thread Mike McCarty
Joe Mc Cool wrote: Please, my ancient, but reliable, backup script is essentially: find /my_dir | cpio -ov > /dev/st0 But, (now that I have installed all those lovely debian goodies), the wretched tape is filling up and asking for another. (I erase the tape beforehand.) I really want t

Re: backup compress on the fly

2005-09-30 Thread Alvin Oga
On Fri, 30 Sep 2005, Joe Mc Cool wrote: > my ancient, but reliable, backup script is essentially: > > find /my_dir | cpio -ov > /dev/st0 find /my_dir \( -type f -o -type l \) | tar zcvf /dev/st0 -T - - grep out stuff you don't want before tar > I also need to know how to restore

backup compress on the fly

2005-09-30 Thread Joe Mc Cool
Please, my ancient, but reliable, backup script is essentially: find /my_dir | cpio -ov > /dev/st0 But, (now that I have installed all those lovely debian goodies), the wretched tape is filling up and asking for another. (I erase the tape beforehand.) I really want to fit all my current