Re: two different problems with input (mouse and keyword) using Sid

2024-10-19 Thread eben
On 10/12/24 11:39, Patrice Duroux wrote: Hi, The first concern is not that annoying and about a wireless mouse that has systematically two different behaviours: 1. one if the receiver is already plugged at boot, 2. one if it is plugged while linux has boot. For 1. the mouse is like going quickly

two different problems with input (mouse and keyword) using Sid

2024-10-12 Thread Patrice Duroux
Hi, The first concern is not that annoying and about a wireless mouse that has systematically two different behaviours: 1. one if the receiver is already plugged at boot, 2. one if it is plugged while linux has boot. For 1. the mouse is like going quickly into sleep mode each time I do not move it

Re: Setting up a chroot on a Jessie system to compile a program using sid

2018-12-08 Thread David Christensen
On 12/7/18 7:36 PM, rhkra...@gmail.com wrote: This is sort of a continuation of the thread started with the post "Recommendation for Virtual Machine and Instructions to set it up?" (https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2018/12/msg00144.html) Aside: the programmer has been able to send me a bina

Re: Setting up a chroot on a Jessie system to compile a program using sid

2018-12-08 Thread Carl Fink
On 12/8/18 9:21 AM, rhkra...@gmail.com wrote: On Saturday, December 08, 2018 02:59:15 AM Alexander V. Makartsev wrote: You are over-complicating things. I can believe that ;-) You can build chroot in just a separate folder using debootstrap. Ahh, ok, then that is almost surely what I'll try

Re: Setting up a chroot on a Jessie system to compile a program using sid

2018-12-08 Thread Alexander V. Makartsev
On 08.12.2018 19:21, rhkra...@gmail.com wrote: > Ahh, ok, then that is almost surely what I'll try at least at first. > > Looking ahead, if I later want to experiment with real VMs, do they need to > be > on separate partitions or can they also just be in separate folders? > > And if they can be

Re: Setting up a chroot on a Jessie system to compile a program using sid

2018-12-08 Thread Roberto C . Sánchez
On Sat, Dec 08, 2018 at 09:21:33AM -0500, rhkra...@gmail.com wrote: > > Looking ahead, if I later want to experiment with real VMs, do they need to > be > on separate partitions or can they also just be in separate folders? > Every VM solution that I can think of supports using disk image files

Re: Setting up a chroot on a Jessie system to compile a program using sid

2018-12-08 Thread rhkramer
On Saturday, December 08, 2018 02:59:15 AM Alexander V. Makartsev wrote: > You are over-complicating things. I can believe that ;-) > You can build chroot in just a > separate folder using debootstrap. Ahh, ok, then that is almost surely what I'll try at least at first. Looking ahead, if I lat

Re: Setting up a chroot on a Jessie system to compile a program using sid

2018-12-07 Thread Alexander V. Makartsev
On 08.12.2018 8:36, rhkra...@gmail.com wrote: > This is sort of a continuation of the thread started with the post > "Recommendation for Virtual Machine and Instructions to set it up?" > > (https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2018/12/msg00144.html) > > Aside: the programmer has been able to send

Re: Setting up a chroot on a Jessie system to compile a program using sid

2018-12-07 Thread Andy Smith
Hi, On Fri, Dec 07, 2018 at 10:36:43PM -0500, rhkra...@gmail.com wrote: > One of the partitions I could free up is 16 GB, the other is 54 GB -- I'd > rather free up and use the smaller one, but I'm wondering if that will be big > enough? I would be amazed if 16GB wasn't enough. All you'll be do

Setting up a chroot on a Jessie system to compile a program using sid

2018-12-07 Thread rhkramer
This is sort of a continuation of the thread started with the post "Recommendation for Virtual Machine and Instructions to set it up?" (https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2018/12/msg00144.html) Aside: the programmer has been able to send me a binary which does work on my Jessie system, but,

Re: Using Sid - sound prob

2018-08-11 Thread Dale Forsyth
https://www.mycause.com.au/page/183259/a-smile-will-change-a-day-love-that-changed-my-world From: Ric Moore Sent: Friday, 10 August 2018 4:56 AM To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: Using Sid - sound prob On 08/09/2018 05:10 AM, Joe wrote: > On Thu,

Re: Using Sid (was: New `no sound' problems)

2018-08-11 Thread Dale Forsyth
https://www.mycause.com.au/page/183259/a-smile-will-change-a-day-love-that-changed-my-world From: Joe Sent: Thursday, 9 August 2018 7:10 PM To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Cc: delop...@gmail.com Subject: Re: Using Sid (was: New `no sound' problems) On Th

Re: Using Sid - sound prob

2018-08-09 Thread Ric Moore
On 08/09/2018 05:10 AM, Joe wrote: On Thu, 09 Aug 2018 08:14:44 +0200 deloptes wrote: Regarding the sound - I never had a problem in the past 12+ years. You are fortunate. I went though a period where the assignments for sound card 0 and 1 would randomly flip, every few weeks or months. I

Re: Using Sid (was: New `no sound' problems)

2018-08-09 Thread songbird
Cindy-Sue Causey wrote: ... > I did finally figuratively "run away" while very literally "shrieking" > one day because there were SO MANY upgrades. I wasn't able to do both > that and the advocacy that MUST be done from behind this keyboard > right now. That just doesn't work on dialup... unfortuna

Re: Using Sid (was: New `no sound' problems)

2018-08-09 Thread Cindy-Sue Causey
On 8/9/18, deloptes wrote: > Joe wrote: > >> On Thu, 09 Aug 2018 08:14:44 +0200 >> deloptes wrote: >> >>> Joe wrote: >>> >>> > Having said that, I don't think I've had more sound problems with my >>> > sid workstations than with my stable server. Sound is generally a >>> > pig on Linux, as the so

Re: Using Sid

2018-08-09 Thread deloptes
Joe wrote: > It's a dim memory now, but I've certainly been there and done that. > > There's an indirection somewhere else that wasn't stable. It's probably > ancient history now. no it is not ancient history but it improved and still in some cases you need to put index value. I guess you did no

Re: Using Sid (was: New `no sound' problems)

2018-08-09 Thread deloptes
Joe wrote: > On Thu, 09 Aug 2018 08:14:44 +0200 > deloptes wrote: > >> Joe wrote: >> >> > Having said that, I don't think I've had more sound problems with my >> > sid workstations than with my stable server. Sound is generally a >> > pig on Linux, as the software base seems to change every few

Re: Using Sid

2018-08-09 Thread Joe
On Thu, 9 Aug 2018 11:24:18 +0200 Nemeth Gyorgy wrote: > 2018-08-09 11:10 keltezéssel, Joe írta: > > You are fortunate. I went though a period where the assignments for > > sound card 0 and 1 would randomly flip, every few weeks or months. I > > didn't find whatever magical incantation would prev

Re: Using Sid

2018-08-09 Thread Nemeth Gyorgy
2018-08-09 11:10 keltezéssel, Joe írta: > You are fortunate. I went though a period where the assignments for > sound card 0 and 1 would randomly flip, every few weeks or months. I > didn't find whatever magical incantation would prevent this, if it > existed. module alias can help. I suppose the

Re: Using Sid (was: New `no sound' problems)

2018-08-09 Thread Joe
On Thu, 09 Aug 2018 08:14:44 +0200 deloptes wrote: > Joe wrote: > > > Having said that, I don't think I've had more sound problems with my > > sid workstations than with my stable server. Sound is generally a > > pig on Linux, as the software base seems to change every few years, > > and until r

Re: Using Sid (was: New `no sound' problems)

2018-08-08 Thread deloptes
Joe wrote: > Having said that, I don't think I've had more sound problems with my > sid workstations than with my stable server. Sound is generally a pig > on Linux, as the software base seems to change every few years, and > until recently, multiple sound cards had the same problem as multiple >

Re: Using Sid (was: New `no sound' problems)

2018-08-08 Thread Joe
occasion for an > interesting discussion with a lot of passionate users taking part to > it (the `su/sudo' one). Discussions that turn to be useful and > clarifying also for Stable of course. Secondarily, what is important > I think to point out is the fact that I've been using S

Using Sid (was: New `no sound' problems)

2018-08-08 Thread Rodolfo Medina
y recent experience with Sid and two problems coming up: `no sound' and `su/sudo', gave birth and occasion for an interesting discussion with a lot of passionate users taking part to it (the `su/sudo' one). Discussions that turn to be useful and clarifying also for Stable of course. S

Re: Benefits (and risks) of using Sid

2008-08-11 Thread Andrei Popescu
On Tue,12.Aug.08, 00:15:10, Chris Bannister wrote: > > , > > | if [ "$TERM" = "linux" ]; then > ..cough..^ Typo (all my self-made scripts are #!/bin/sh, where 'sh' points to 'dash'). Regards, Andrei -- If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough. (Albert E

Re: Benefits (and risks) of using Sid

2008-08-11 Thread Chris Bannister
On Sun, Aug 10, 2008 at 12:46:51PM +0300, Andrei Popescu wrote: > On Sat,09.Aug.08, 17:04:47, Ron Johnson wrote: > >>> I put this at the bottom of my family members' .bashrc files. Works like > >>> a charm. > >>> > >>> if [ "$TERM" == "linux" ]; then > >>> startx > >>> exit > >>> fi >

Re: Benefits (and risks) of using Sid

2008-08-10 Thread Wayne Topa
Andrei Popescu wrote: On Sat,09.Aug.08, 17:04:47, Ron Johnson wrote: On 08/09/08 08:57, Damon L. Chesser wrote: On Fri, 2008-08-08 at 01:05 -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: [snip] I put this at the bottom of my family members' .bashrc files. Works like a charm. if [ "$TERM" == "linux" ]; then

Re: Benefits (and risks) of using Sid

2008-08-10 Thread Andrei Popescu
On Sun,10.Aug.08, 12:46:51, Andrei Popescu wrote: > And eventually it will return the prompt. I think most cases will be > covered by something like: > > , > | if [ "$TERM" = "linux" ]; then > | if [ ! -f /tmp/X0-lock ]; then > | startx > | exit > | fi > | fi

Re: Benefits (and risks) of using Sid

2008-08-10 Thread Andrei Popescu
On Sat,09.Aug.08, 17:04:47, Ron Johnson wrote: > On 08/09/08 08:57, Damon L. Chesser wrote: >> On Fri, 2008-08-08 at 01:05 -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: > [snip] >>> I put this at the bottom of my family members' .bashrc files. Works like >>> a charm. >>> >>> if [ "$TERM" == "linux" ]; then >>>

Re: Benefits (and risks) of using Sid

2008-08-09 Thread Nate Bargmann
* Florian Kulzer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2008 Aug 09 15:49 -0500]: > Right now I use the "limit view" function with appropriate search terms to > get this kind of information; it would be nice if aptitude displayed the > archive(s) next to the version number automatically. Ahh, since I just have uns

Re: Benefits (and risks) of using Sid

2008-08-09 Thread Ron Johnson
On 08/09/08 08:57, Damon L. Chesser wrote: On Fri, 2008-08-08 at 01:05 -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: [snip] I put this at the bottom of my family members' .bashrc files. Works like a charm. if [ "$TERM" == "linux" ]; then startx exit fi -- Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson LA USA Ron, I

Re: Benefits (and risks) of using Sid

2008-08-09 Thread Florian Kulzer
Quoting Daniel Burrows : On Sat, Aug 09, 2008 at 02:11:43PM +0200, Florian Kulzer was heard to say: - I would like to be able to declare "favorites" among packages, to guide conflict resolution. I was actually working on this a few weeks ago but I got sidetracked by the fact that the GTK+

Re: Benefits (and risks) of using Sid

2008-08-09 Thread Florian Kulzer
Quoting Nate Bargmann : * Florian Kulzer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2008 Aug 09 07:29 -0500]: [...] - It would be nice to have "apt-cache policy"-equivalent information in the versions display of packages. Right now I find it difficult to figure out in which archive a given version can be found

Re: Benefits (and risks) of using Sid

2008-08-09 Thread Paul Johnson
On Tue, 2008-08-05 at 14:09 +0100, andy wrote: > Hi all > > This is just a general enquiry about the benefits of using Sid on a > desktop or a workstation. Aside from obtaining up-to-the-minute software > (and related patches), are there any other benefits to using Sid? I am

Re: Benefits (and risks) of using Sid

2008-08-09 Thread Paul Johnson
On Tue, 2008-08-05 at 21:07 -0700, Daniel Burrows wrote: > On Tue, Aug 05, 2008 at 01:00:44PM -0700, Paul Scott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> was > heard to say: > > aptitude makes it easy to "plan the updates" > > How so? You can easily mark packages for installation, upgrade, reinstallation or removal

Re: Benefits (and risks) of using Sid

2008-08-09 Thread Daniel Burrows
On Sat, Aug 09, 2008 at 02:11:43PM +0200, Florian Kulzer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> was heard to say: > - I would like to be able to declare "favorites" among packages, to > guide conflict resolution. I was actually working on this a few weeks ago but I got sidetracked by the fact that the GTK+ inte

Re: Benefits (and risks) of using Sid

2008-08-09 Thread Damon L. Chesser
On Fri, 2008-08-08 at 01:05 -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: > On 08/07/08 23:42, Andrew Sackville-West wrote: > > On Thu, Aug 07, 2008 at 09:56:19PM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: > >> On 08/07/08 20:20, s. keeling wrote: > >>> Damon L. Chesser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > On Thu, 2008-08-07 at 17:45 -0500, R

Re: Benefits (and risks) of using Sid

2008-08-09 Thread Damon L. Chesser
On Fri, 2008-08-08 at 22:31 -0700, Daniel Burrows wrote: > On Fri, Aug 08, 2008 at 07:00:52PM -0400, "Damon L. Chesser" <[EMAIL > PROTECTED]> was heard to say: > > On Fri, 2008-08-08 at 06:58 -0700, Daniel Burrows wrote: > > > One of my active anti-goals is making aptitude the best package > > >

Re: Benefits (and risks) of using Sid

2008-08-09 Thread Nate Bargmann
* Florian Kulzer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2008 Aug 09 07:29 -0500]: > On Wed, Aug 06, 2008 at 20:01:46 -0700, Daniel Burrows wrote: > > [ snip: a bit of goofing off ] > > > I actually am curious to hear what people like about the program, > > because I'm (slowly) working out ideas for redesigning t

Re: Benefits (and risks) of using Sid

2008-08-09 Thread Florian Kulzer
On Wed, Aug 06, 2008 at 20:01:46 -0700, Daniel Burrows wrote: [ snip: a bit of goofing off ] > I actually am curious to hear what people like about the program, > because I'm (slowly) working out ideas for redesigning the interface > and I don't want to accidentally break useful features. Any

Re: Benefits (and risks) of using Sid

2008-08-08 Thread Daniel Burrows
On Fri, Aug 08, 2008 at 07:00:52PM -0400, "Damon L. Chesser" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> was heard to say: > On Fri, 2008-08-08 at 06:58 -0700, Daniel Burrows wrote: > > One of my active anti-goals is making aptitude the best package > > manager after you enter 500 configuration options to enable all th

Re: Benefits (and risks) of using Sid

2008-08-08 Thread Andrew Sackville-West
On Fri, Aug 08, 2008 at 07:50:39PM -0400, Damon L. Chesser wrote: > On Fri, 2008-08-08 at 16:23 -0700, Andrew Sackville-West wrote: > > On Fri, Aug 08, 2008 at 07:00:52PM -0400, Damon L. Chesser wrote: > > > On Fri, 2008-08-08 at 06:58 -0700, Daniel Burrows wrote: > > > > On Fri, Aug 08, 2008 at 03

Re: Benefits (and risks) of using Sid

2008-08-08 Thread chris
On Sat, 09 Aug 2008 03:16:04 +0200, s. keeling wrote: > Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: >> On 08/07/08 20:20, s. keeling wrote: >> > Damon L. Chesser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: >> >> On Thu, 2008-08-07 at 17:45 -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: >> >>> On 08/07/08 17:14, Damon L. Chesser wrote: >> Disple

Re: Benefits (and risks) of using Sid

2008-08-08 Thread s. keeling
Nick Lidakis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > s. keeling wrote: > > No, I think he was serious, and I agree with him. Do you want > > your access to the pkging system to be borked when X is borked? > > Especially in this nvidia crazed age? > > Can you elaborate on that statement? I ask because of my utte

Re: Benefits (and risks) of using Sid

2008-08-08 Thread Damon L. Chesser
On Sat, 2008-08-09 at 03:13 +0200, s. keeling wrote: > Damon L. Chesser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > On Fri, 2008-08-08 at 03:20 퍭㒲䞞阩먭磚, I think he was serious, and I agree > > with him. Do you want > > > your access to the pkging system to be borked when X is borked? > > > Especially in this nvidi

Re: Benefits (and risks) of using Sid

2008-08-08 Thread s. keeling
Damon L. Chesser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > On Fri, 2008-08-08 at 03:20 +0200, s. keeling wrote: > > > > No, I think he was serious, and I agree with him. Do you want > > your access to the pkging system to be borked when X is borked? > > Especially in this nvidia crazed age? > > I am equally at h

Re: Benefits (and risks) of using Sid

2008-08-08 Thread s. keeling
Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > On 08/07/08 20:20, s. keeling wrote: > > Damon L. Chesser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > >> On Thu, 2008-08-07 at 17:45 -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: > >>> On 08/07/08 17:14, Damon L. Chesser wrote: > Displeasure? Synaptic is brain dead simple, what's not to like? > >

Re: Benefits (and risks) of using Sid

2008-08-08 Thread Nate Bargmann
* Andrew Sackville-West <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2008 Aug 08 18:25 -0500]: > On Fri, Aug 08, 2008 at 07:00:52PM -0400, Damon L. Chesser wrote: > > > > Daniel, > > > > I would suggest you use EMACS as a front end. > > oh that's a fabulous idea, but think about it. Something as obscure > and hard to u

Re: Benefits (and risks) of using Sid

2008-08-08 Thread John Hasler
Andrew Sackville-West writes: > I would suggest you use EMACS as a front end. An "apt-mode" sounds great to me. I'm not suggesting that Daniel (or anyone else) write it, though. -- John Hasler -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EM

Re: Benefits (and risks) of using Sid

2008-08-08 Thread Damon L. Chesser
On Fri, 2008-08-08 at 16:23 -0700, Andrew Sackville-West wrote: > On Fri, Aug 08, 2008 at 07:00:52PM -0400, Damon L. Chesser wrote: > > On Fri, 2008-08-08 at 06:58 -0700, Daniel Burrows wrote: > > > On Fri, Aug 08, 2008 at 03:11:39AM +0200, "s. keeling" <[EMAIL > > > PROTECTED]> was heard to say:

Re: Benefits (and risks) of using Sid

2008-08-08 Thread Andrew Sackville-West
On Fri, Aug 08, 2008 at 07:00:52PM -0400, Damon L. Chesser wrote: > On Fri, 2008-08-08 at 06:58 -0700, Daniel Burrows wrote: > > On Fri, Aug 08, 2008 at 03:11:39AM +0200, "s. keeling" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > was heard to say: > > > I've no trouble with either at the command line. The *curses > >

Re: Benefits (and risks) of using Sid

2008-08-08 Thread Damon L. Chesser
On Fri, 2008-08-08 at 06:58 -0700, Daniel Burrows wrote: > On Fri, Aug 08, 2008 at 03:11:39AM +0200, "s. keeling" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > was heard to say: > > I've no trouble with either at the command line. The *curses > > interface is highly non-intuitive (IMO). It, along with dselect, has > >

Re: Benefits (and risks) of using Sid

2008-08-08 Thread Nick Lidakis
s. keeling wrote: No, I think he was serious, and I agree with him. Do you want your access to the pkging system to be borked when X is borked? Especially in this nvidia crazed age? Can you elaborate on that statement? I ask because of my utter frustration with my NVIDIA card lately, as Ron

Re: Benefits (and risks) of using Sid

2008-08-08 Thread Preston Boyington
Bob Cox wrote: On Fri, Aug 08, 2008 at 12:11:06 -0300, Eduardo M KALINOWSKI ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Preston Boyington wrote: As it stands, I press "/" enter my search criteria and then press "enter" to access the packages. Then I press "/" again and "enter" to go to the next found item. I

Re: Benefits (and risks) of using Sid

2008-08-08 Thread Bob Cox
On Fri, Aug 08, 2008 at 12:11:06 -0300, Eduardo M KALINOWSKI ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > Preston Boyington wrote: > > As it stands, I press "/" enter my search criteria and then press > > "enter" to access the packages. Then I press "/" again and "enter" to > > go to the next found item. I do

Re: Benefits (and risks) of using Sid

2008-08-08 Thread Andrew Sackville-West
On Fri, Aug 08, 2008 at 01:05:56AM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: > On 08/07/08 23:42, Andrew Sackville-West wrote: >> On Thu, Aug 07, 2008 at 09:56:19PM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: >>> On 08/07/08 20:20, s. keeling wrote: Damon L. Chesser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > On Thu, 2008-08-07 at 17:45 -0500

Re: Benefits (and risks) of using Sid

2008-08-08 Thread Eduardo M KALINOWSKI
Preston Boyington wrote: > As it stands, I press "/" enter my search criteria and then press > "enter" to access the packages. Then I press "/" again and "enter" to > go to the next found item. I don't know of a way to cycle through > otherwise so if I miss a package I have to cycle through the w

Re: Benefits (and risks) of using Sid

2008-08-08 Thread Preston Boyington
Daniel Burrows wrote: If you just mean that you have to learn the keystrokes ... that's probably not going to change; with the limited screen real estate on a terminal, I can't afford to put in buttons on everything. Although I haven't delved into aptitude as deeply as I probably should, I wou

Re: Benefits (and risks) of using Sid

2008-08-08 Thread Daniel Burrows
On Fri, Aug 08, 2008 at 03:11:39AM +0200, "s. keeling" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> was heard to say: > I've no trouble with either at the command line. The *curses > interface is highly non-intuitive (IMO). It, along with dselect, has > always struck me as just a little Martian. That's fine in vi or em

Re: Benefits (and risks) of using Sid

2008-08-08 Thread Preston Boyington
Damon L. Chesser wrote: I think I will once more look it over, if for no other reason then Ron Johnson will not snicker at me. well i don't "know" Ron but given what i have read i wouldn't bet on that. :D I moved from apt-get to aptitude and now I don't even think about it anymore. This

Re: Benefits (and risks) of using Sid

2008-08-07 Thread Ron Johnson
On 08/07/08 23:42, Andrew Sackville-West wrote: On Thu, Aug 07, 2008 at 09:56:19PM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: On 08/07/08 20:20, s. keeling wrote: Damon L. Chesser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: On Thu, 2008-08-07 at 17:45 -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: On 08/07/08 17:14, Damon L. Chesser wrote: Displeasur

Re: Benefits (and risks) of using Sid

2008-08-07 Thread Mumia W..
On 08/07/2008 04:55 PM, Nate Bargmann wrote: And I think Aptitude works very well and couldn't wait to ditch dselect for it. Different strokes and all that. I've had the displeasure of being dumped into Synaptic on Ubuntu and friends. I'll take Aptitude every time, thank you very much. - Nat

Re: Benefits (and risks) of using Sid

2008-08-07 Thread Andrew Sackville-West
On Thu, Aug 07, 2008 at 09:56:19PM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: > On 08/07/08 20:20, s. keeling wrote: >> Damon L. Chesser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: >>> On Thu, 2008-08-07 at 17:45 -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: On 08/07/08 17:14, Damon L. Chesser wrote: > Displeasure? Synaptic is brain dead simple,

Re: Benefits (and risks) of using Sid

2008-08-07 Thread Damon L. Chesser
On Thu, 2008-08-07 at 20:11 -0700, Daniel Burrows wrote: > On Thu, Aug 07, 2008 at 10:12:45AM -0500, Kent West <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> was > heard to say: > > Damon L. Chesser wrote: > > > Sadly, I have NEVER used aptitude ncurses. Ever since the early days of > > > Potato, when I tried to use it, I

Re: Benefits (and risks) of using Sid

2008-08-07 Thread Daniel Burrows
On Thu, Aug 07, 2008 at 10:12:45AM -0500, Kent West <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> was heard to say: > Damon L. Chesser wrote: > > Sadly, I have NEVER used aptitude ncurses. Ever since the early days of > > Potato, when I tried to use it, I would get completely lost. As smart > > as I am (however smart tha

Re: Benefits (and risks) of using Sid

2008-08-07 Thread Ron Johnson
On 08/07/08 20:20, s. keeling wrote: Damon L. Chesser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: On Thu, 2008-08-07 at 17:45 -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: On 08/07/08 17:14, Damon L. Chesser wrote: Displeasure? Synaptic is brain dead simple, what's not to like? It's a GUI app? Very funny Ron. Really. No, I thin

Re: Benefits (and risks) of using Sid

2008-08-07 Thread Damon L. Chesser
On Fri, 2008-08-08 at 03:20 +0200, s. keeling wrote: > Damon L. Chesser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > On Thu, 2008-08-07 at 17:45 -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: > > > On 08/07/08 17:14, Damon L. Chesser wrote: > > > > > > > > Displeasure? Synaptic is brain dead simple, what's not to like? > > > > > > It'

Re: Benefits (and risks) of using Sid

2008-08-07 Thread s. keeling
Damon L. Chesser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > On Thu, 2008-08-07 at 17:45 -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: > > On 08/07/08 17:14, Damon L. Chesser wrote: > > > > > > Displeasure? Synaptic is brain dead simple, what's not to like? > > > > It's a GUI app? > > Very funny Ron. Really. No, I think he was ser

Re: Benefits (and risks) of using Sid

2008-08-07 Thread s. keeling
Kent West <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Damon L. Chesser wrote: > > On Wed, 2008-08-06 at 20:01 -0700, Daniel Burrows wrote: > > > >> Heh. :-) > >> > >> I actually am curious to hear what people like about the program, > >> because I'm (slowly) working out ideas for redesigning the interface > >>

Re: Benefits (and risks) of using Sid

2008-08-07 Thread Damon L. Chesser
On Thu, 2008-08-07 at 19:37 -0300, Eduardo M KALINOWSKI wrote: > Damon L. Chesser wrote: > > Displeasure? Synaptic is brain dead simple, what's not to like? > > > > Perhaps exactly that. Simplicity sometimes means that advanced features > are not available, or that you have to dig deep to be

Re: Benefits (and risks) of using Sid

2008-08-07 Thread Damon L. Chesser
On Thu, 2008-08-07 at 17:45 -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: > On 08/07/08 17:14, Damon L. Chesser wrote: > > On Thu, 2008-08-07 at 16:55 -0500, Nate Bargmann wrote: > >> * Cousin Stanley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2008 Aug 07 16:38 -0500]: > >>> > Ditto. I'm sure it's a fine program, but I, too, get lost

Re: Benefits (and risks) of using Sid

2008-08-07 Thread Ron Johnson
On 08/07/08 17:14, Damon L. Chesser wrote: On Thu, 2008-08-07 at 16:55 -0500, Nate Bargmann wrote: * Cousin Stanley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2008 Aug 07 16:38 -0500]: Ditto. I'm sure it's a fine program, but I, too, get lost with the ncurses interface of aptitude Add a ditto onto to the ditto

Re: Benefits (and risks) of using Sid

2008-08-07 Thread Eduardo M KALINOWSKI
Damon L. Chesser wrote: > Displeasure? Synaptic is brain dead simple, what's not to like? > Perhaps exactly that. Simplicity sometimes means that advanced features are not available, or that you have to dig deep to be able to reach them. I cannot say if this is the case with Synaptic, thoug

Re: Benefits (and risks) of using Sid

2008-08-07 Thread Damon L. Chesser
On Thu, 2008-08-07 at 16:55 -0500, Nate Bargmann wrote: > * Cousin Stanley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2008 Aug 07 16:38 -0500]: > > > > > > > Ditto. I'm sure it's a fine program, but I, too, get lost > > > with the ncurses interface of aptitude > > > > Add a ditto onto to the ditto regarding my own

Re: Benefits (and risks) of using Sid

2008-08-07 Thread Damon L. Chesser
On Thu, 2008-08-07 at 15:06 -0700, Andrew Sackville-West wrote: > On Thu, Aug 07, 2008 at 04:55:23PM -0500, Nate Bargmann wrote: > > * Cousin Stanley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2008 Aug 07 16:38 -0500]: > > > > > > > > > > Ditto. I'm sure it's a fine program, but I, too, get lost > > > > with the ncur

Re: Benefits (and risks) of using Sid

2008-08-07 Thread Andrew Sackville-West
On Thu, Aug 07, 2008 at 04:55:23PM -0500, Nate Bargmann wrote: > * Cousin Stanley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2008 Aug 07 16:38 -0500]: > > > > > > > Ditto. I'm sure it's a fine program, but I, too, get lost > > > with the ncurses interface of aptitude > > > > Add a ditto onto to the ditto regarding

Re: Benefits (and risks) of using Sid

2008-08-07 Thread Nate Bargmann
* Cousin Stanley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2008 Aug 07 16:38 -0500]: > > > > Ditto. I'm sure it's a fine program, but I, too, get lost > > with the ncurses interface of aptitude > > Add a ditto onto to the ditto regarding my own inability > to cope with the ncurses interface to aptitude >

Re: nVidia binary on 2.6.26 [was: Benefits (and risks) of using Sid]

2008-08-07 Thread Mark Allums
Mark Allums wrote: Ron Johnson wrote: On 08/05/08 15:53, David Witbrodt wrote: - Original Message From: Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> My big problems now are: a) nvidia binary driver doesn't build on .26 (which I need for other reasons), Sorry to hear that. I've been

Re: Benefits (and risks) of using Sid

2008-08-07 Thread Cousin Stanley
> Ditto. I'm sure it's a fine program, but I, too, get lost > with the ncurses interface of aptitude Add a ditto onto to the ditto regarding my own inability to cope with the ncurses interface to aptitude To me it seems cumbersome and somewhat cryptic -- Stanley C. Kitching

Re: nVidia binary on 2.6.26 [was: Benefits (and risks) of using Sid]

2008-08-07 Thread Mark Allums
Ron Johnson wrote: On 08/05/08 15:53, David Witbrodt wrote: - Original Message From: Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> My big problems now are: a) nvidia binary driver doesn't build on .26 (which I need for other reasons), Sorry to hear that. I've been using the beta 177.1

Re: Benefits (and risks) of using Sid

2008-08-07 Thread Andrew Sackville-West
On Wed, Aug 06, 2008 at 11:47:21PM +0200, Florian Kulzer wrote: > Quoting Andrew Sackville-West: >> On Tue, Aug 05, 2008 at 09:07:27PM -0700, Daniel Burrows wrote: >>> On Tue, Aug 05, 2008 at 01:00:44PM -0700, Paul Scott >>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> was heard to say: >>> > aptitude makes it easy to

Re: Benefits (and risks) of using Sid

2008-08-07 Thread Kent West
Damon L. Chesser wrote: > On Wed, 2008-08-06 at 20:01 -0700, Daniel Burrows wrote: > >> Heh. :-) >> >> I actually am curious to hear what people like about the program, >> because I'm (slowly) working out ideas for redesigning the interface >> and I don't want to accidentally break useful fe

Re: Benefits (and risks) of using Sid

2008-08-07 Thread Damon L. Chesser
On Wed, 2008-08-06 at 20:01 -0700, Daniel Burrows wrote: > On Wed, Aug 06, 2008 at 11:47:21PM +0200, Florian Kulzer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > was heard to say: > > Quoting Andrew Sackville-West: > >> On Tue, Aug 05, 2008 at 09:07:27PM -0700, Daniel Burrows wrote: > >>> On Tue, Aug 05, 2008 at 01:00:44

Re: Benefits (and risks) of using Sid

2008-08-06 Thread Celejar
On Tue, 05 Aug 2008 14:09:34 +0100 andy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi all > > This is just a general enquiry about the benefits of using Sid on a > desktop or a workstation. Aside from obtaining up-to-the-minute software > (and related patches), are there any other ben

Re: Benefits (and risks) of using Sid

2008-08-06 Thread Daniel Burrows
On Wed, Aug 06, 2008 at 11:47:21PM +0200, Florian Kulzer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> was heard to say: > Quoting Andrew Sackville-West: >> On Tue, Aug 05, 2008 at 09:07:27PM -0700, Daniel Burrows wrote: >>> On Tue, Aug 05, 2008 at 01:00:44PM -0700, Paul Scott >>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> was heard to say:

Re: Benefits (and risks) of using Sid

2008-08-06 Thread Florian Kulzer
Quoting Andrew Sackville-West: On Tue, Aug 05, 2008 at 09:07:27PM -0700, Daniel Burrows wrote: On Tue, Aug 05, 2008 at 01:00:44PM -0700, Paul Scott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> was heard to say: > aptitude makes it easy to "plan the updates" How so? I'll bite on this... the simple but powerful

Re: Benefits (and risks) of using Sid

2008-08-06 Thread Andrew Sackville-West
On Tue, Aug 05, 2008 at 09:07:27PM -0700, Daniel Burrows wrote: > On Tue, Aug 05, 2008 at 01:00:44PM -0700, Paul Scott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> was > heard to say: > > aptitude makes it easy to "plan the updates" > > How so? I'll bite on this... the simple but powerful interface allows me to quickl

Re: Benefits (and risks) of using Sid

2008-08-06 Thread Daniel Burrows
On Tue, Aug 05, 2008 at 03:46:28PM +0100, andy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> was heard to say: > That's a fair point. I currently run stable (Lenny) because it seemed to > be a good balance between (relatively) up-to-date software that has > (mostly) had its bugs worked through. Note that lenny is *n

Re: Benefits (and risks) of using Sid

2008-08-06 Thread Daniel Burrows
On Tue, Aug 05, 2008 at 01:00:44PM -0700, Paul Scott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> was heard to say: > aptitude makes it easy to "plan the updates" How so? Daniel -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: nVidia binary on 2.6.26 [was: Benefits (and risks) of using Sid]

2008-08-06 Thread Kenward Vaughan
On Tue, 2008-08-05 at 16:29 -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: > On 08/05/08 15:53, David Witbrodt wrote: > > > > > > > > - Original Message > >> From: Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > >> My big problems now are: > >> a) nvidia binary driver doesn't build on .26 (which I need for other > >

Re: nVidia binary on 2.6.26 [was: Benefits (and risks) of using Sid]

2008-08-05 Thread Nick Lidakis
Ron Johnson wrote: Where is the beta? Stable is at: ftp://download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86 You can also find it in updated sticky posts at the official Nvidia Linux forum: http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/forumdisplay.php?s=&forumid=14 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECT

Re: nVidia binary on 2.6.26 [was: Benefits (and risks) of using Sid]

2008-08-05 Thread David Witbrodt
> Where is the beta? Stable is at: > ftp://download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86 Browsing to nvidia.com gets you their funky home page, with a bunch of useless links -- none pointing to driver downloads. Clicking on just about anything, you then get pages that have a more useful top menu, with

Re: Benefits (and risks) of using Sid

2008-08-05 Thread Andrew Sackville-West
On Tue, Aug 05, 2008 at 01:00:44PM -0700, Paul Scott wrote: > Andrew Sackville-West wrote: > > On Tue, Aug 05, 2008 at 02:09:34PM +0100, andy wrote: > > > >> Hi all > >> > >> This is just a general enquiry about the benefits of using Sid on a

Re: nVidia binary on 2.6.26 [was: Benefits (and risks) of using Sid]

2008-08-05 Thread Ron Johnson
On 08/05/08 15:53, David Witbrodt wrote: - Original Message From: Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> My big problems now are: a) nvidia binary driver doesn't build on .26 (which I need for other reasons), Sorry to hear that. I've been using the beta 177.13 driver for quite a

nVidia binary on 2.6.26 [was: Benefits (and risks) of using Sid]

2008-08-05 Thread David Witbrodt
- Original Message > From: Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > My big problems now are: > a) nvidia binary driver doesn't build on .26 (which I need for other > reasons), Sorry to hear that. I've been using the beta 177.13 driver for quite a while now. I built a custom 2.6.26 k

Re: Benefits (and risks) of using Sid

2008-08-05 Thread Paul Scott
Andrew Sackville-West wrote: > On Tue, Aug 05, 2008 at 02:09:34PM +0100, andy wrote: > >> Hi all >> >> This is just a general enquiry about the benefits of using Sid on a >> desktop or a workstation. Aside from obtaining up-to-the-minute software >>

Re: Benefits (and risks) of using Sid

2008-08-05 Thread Hans Christian
On Tue, 05 Aug 2008 14:09:34 +0100 andy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi all > > This is just a general enquiry about the benefits of using Sid on a > desktop or a workstation. Aside from obtaining up-to-the-minute software > (and related patches), are there any other ben

Re: Benefits (and risks) of using Sid

2008-08-05 Thread Andrew Sackville-West
On Tue, Aug 05, 2008 at 02:09:34PM +0100, andy wrote: > Hi all > > This is just a general enquiry about the benefits of using Sid on a > desktop or a workstation. Aside from obtaining up-to-the-minute software > (and related patches), are there any other benefits to using Sid?

Re: Benefits (and risks) of using Sid

2008-08-05 Thread Ron Johnson
On 08/05/08 08:33, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh wrote: On Tue, 05 Aug 2008, andy wrote: This is just a general enquiry about the benefits of using Sid on a desktop or a workstation. Aside from obtaining up-to-the-minute software (and related patches), are there any other benefits to using Sid

Re: Benefits (and risks) of using Sid

2008-08-05 Thread Andrei Popescu
On Tue,05.Aug.08, 14:09:34, andy wrote: > Hi all > > This is just a general enquiry about the benefits of using Sid on a desktop > or a workstation. Aside from obtaining up-to-the-minute software (and > related patches), are there any other benefits to using Sid? I am aware of Y

Re: Benefits (and risks) of using Sid

2008-08-05 Thread andy
Kent West wrote: andy wrote: Hi all This is just a general enquiry about the benefits of using Sid on a desktop or a workstation. Aside from obtaining up-to-the-minute software (and related patches), are there any other benefits to using Sid? I am aware of the risks - i.e. frequently broken

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