Re: Upgrading with a low data cap

On Wed, Oct 17, 2018 at 10:10:01AM -0500, John Hasler wrote: > Richard Owlett writes: > > Quoting webopedia.com, "A local-area network (LAN) is a computer > > network that spans a relatively small area." The sticking point is an > > unstated assumption - a LAN connects two *OR MORE* computers. I w

Re: Upgrading with a low data cap

Richard Owlett writes: > Quoting webopedia.com, "A local-area network (LAN) is a computer > network that spans a relatively small area." The sticking point is an > unstated assumption - a LAN connects two *OR MORE* computers. I wish > to connect *EXACTLY* two computers {for which an RS232 null mod

Re: Upgrading with a low data cap

On 10/15/2018 04:09 AM, David wrote: On Sun, 14 Oct 2018 at 23:01, Richard Owlett wrote: I have no desire nor need for a traditional LAN. Wanting to transfer or share data between machines, while simultaneously declaring the above, appears inconsistent. I don't know what a "traditional LAN"

Re: Upgrading with a low data cap

On Monday 15 October 2018 10:45:54 Dan Purgert wrote: > Gene Heskett wrote: > > On Monday 15 October 2018 05:09:05 David wrote: > > [...] > > And the best of both worlds is had buy investing in a good router, > > useing to to Native Address Translation between the dhcp supplied > > address your >

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Gene Heskett wrote: > On Monday 15 October 2018 05:09:05 David wrote: > [...] > And the best of both worlds is had buy investing in a good router, useing > to to Native Address Translation between the dhcp supplied address your NAT = "Network Address Translation" ;) > ISP gives the router when

Re: Upgrading with a low data cap

On Monday 15 October 2018 05:09:05 David wrote: > On Sun, 14 Oct 2018 at 23:01, Richard Owlett wrote: > > I have no desire nor need for a traditional LAN. > As a somewhat senior to Richard, one thing I've learned in a lng carrear in electronics is that life is a lot simpler if you use the

Re: Upgrading with a low data cap

On 10/15/2018 04:09 AM, David wrote: On Sun, 14 Oct 2018 at 23:01, Richard Owlett wrote: I have no desire nor need for a traditional LAN. Wanting to transfer or share data between machines, while simultaneously declaring the above, appears inconsistent. [ *MASSIVE* snip] Thank you for your

Re: Upgrading with a low data cap

On Sun, 14 Oct 2018 at 23:01, Richard Owlett wrote: > > I have no desire nor need for a traditional LAN. Wanting to transfer or share data between machines, while simultaneously declaring the above, appears inconsistent. I don't know what a "traditional LAN" is, so I wonder what you mean by thos

Re: Upgrading with a low data cap

On 10/10/2018 08:01 AM, Alexandre Rossi wrote: Hi, Something just brought to mind apt-offline. The introductory paragraph in the man page states: apt-offline brings offline package management functionality to Debian based system. It can be used to download packages and its dependencies to be i

Re: Upgrading with a low data cap

On 10/10/2018 02:53 AM, Curt wrote: On 2018-10-09, Gene Heskett wrote: It's about time some invented a WiFi device which plugs into a USB port. Not needed, you can buy such a dongle from netgear for at least half a decade or longer. I was out of ports on the 4 port in the shop, so I I inte

Re: Upgrading with a low data cap

mick crane wrote: >songbird wrote: ... >> i used to take the USB stick to the library to download >> big packages when needing updates. glad i haven't had to >> do that in a while, but i still have a relatively slow >> connection (about 10M/minute) compared to many, but it's >> much better than

Re: Upgrading with a low data cap

On Wednesday 10 October 2018 11:18:46 David Wright wrote: > On Wed 10 Oct 2018 at 10:52:10 (-0400), Gene Heskett wrote: > > On Wednesday 10 October 2018 09:58:22 rhkra...@gmail.com wrote: > > > On Tuesday, October 09, 2018 04:01:49 PM Gene Heskett wrote: > > > > On Tuesday 09 October 2018 12:20:25

Re: Upgrading with a low data cap

On Wed 10 Oct 2018 at 10:52:10 (-0400), Gene Heskett wrote: > On Wednesday 10 October 2018 09:58:22 rhkra...@gmail.com wrote: > > On Tuesday, October 09, 2018 04:01:49 PM Gene Heskett wrote: > > > On Tuesday 09 October 2018 12:20:25 Brian wrote: > > > > It's about time some invented a WiFi device w

Re: Upgrading with a low data cap

On Wednesday 10 October 2018 09:58:22 rhkra...@gmail.com wrote: > On Tuesday, October 09, 2018 04:01:49 PM Gene Heskett wrote: > > On Tuesday 09 October 2018 12:20:25 Brian wrote: > > > It's about time some invented a WiFi device which plugs into a USB > > > port. > > > > Not needed, you can buy s

Re: Upgrading with a low data cap

On Tuesday, October 09, 2018 04:01:49 PM Gene Heskett wrote: > On Tuesday 09 October 2018 12:20:25 Brian wrote: > > It's about time some invented a WiFi device which plugs into a USB > > port. > > Not needed, you can buy such a dongle from netgear for at least half a > decade or longer. I was out

Re: Upgrading with a low data cap

Hi, > Something just brought to mind apt-offline. The introductory paragraph > in the man page states: > > apt-offline brings offline package management functionality to Debian > based system. It can be used to download packages and its dependencies > to be installed later on (or required to updat

Re: Upgrading with a low data cap

On Mon, 2018-10-08 at 10:20 -0500, David Wright wrote: > On Mon 08 Oct 2018 at 06:59:15 (+0100), Tixy wrote: > > On Sun, 2018-10-07 at 20:08 -0500, David Wright wrote: > > [...] > > > If you're impatient and want to copy files to the stick during > > > installation, note that (last time I looked) c

Re: Upgrading with a low data cap

On 2018-10-09, Gene Heskett wrote: >> >> It's about time some invented a WiFi device which plugs into a USB >> port. > > Not needed, you can buy such a dongle from netgear for at least half a > decade or longer. I was out of ports on the 4 port in the shop, so I I interpreted B's comment as pu

Re: Upgrading with a low data cap

On Tuesday 09 October 2018 15:59:02 Brian wrote: > On Tue 09 Oct 2018 at 15:42:51 -0400, Gene Heskett wrote: > > Its probably been pointed out that usb was originally designed as a > > client/server setup, and adding the stuff to make it peer to peer > > has had rather spotty success. Wireless key

Re: Upgrading with a low data cap

On Tuesday 09 October 2018 12:20:25 Brian wrote: > On Tue 09 Oct 2018 at 15:31:03 -, Dan Purgert wrote: > > Richard Owlett wrote: > > > On 10/09/2018 04:57 AM, Dan Purgert wrote: > > >> Richard Owlett wrote: > > >>> On 10/08/2018 06:23 PM, David wrote: > > On Tue, 9 Oct 2018 at 06:25, Ric

Re: Upgrading with a low data cap

On Tue 09 Oct 2018 at 15:42:51 -0400, Gene Heskett wrote: > Its probably been pointed out that usb was originally designed as a > client/server setup, and adding the stuff to make it peer to peer has > had rather spotty success. Wireless keyboards and mice are one of the No, it hasn't been po

Re: Upgrading with a low data cap

On Tuesday 09 October 2018 10:53:30 Richard Owlett wrote: > On 10/09/2018 04:57 AM, Dan Purgert wrote: > > Richard Owlett wrote: > >> On 10/08/2018 06:23 PM, David wrote: > >>> On Tue, 9 Oct 2018 at 06:25, Richard Owlett wrote: > I have no LAN. > > I've a low cap. > >>> > >>> Usin

Re: Upgrading with a low data cap

On 10/09/2018 10:31 AM, Dan Purgert wrote: Richard Owlett wrote: [snip] LAN generally requires Ethernet. My second most used machine does not have a physically available Ethernet port. Ethernet doesn't require cables though. https://techterms.com/definition/ethernet : Ethernet, pronounced "

Re: Upgrading with a low data cap

On Tue 09 Oct 2018 at 15:31:03 -, Dan Purgert wrote: > Richard Owlett wrote: > > On 10/09/2018 04:57 AM, Dan Purgert wrote: > >> Richard Owlett wrote: > >>> On 10/08/2018 06:23 PM, David wrote: > On Tue, 9 Oct 2018 at 06:25, Richard Owlett wrote: > > > > I have no LAN. > > >

Re: Upgrading with a low data cap

Richard Owlett wrote: > On 10/09/2018 04:57 AM, Dan Purgert wrote: >> Richard Owlett wrote: >>> On 10/08/2018 06:23 PM, David wrote: On Tue, 9 Oct 2018 at 06:25, Richard Owlett wrote: > > I have no LAN. > > I've a low cap. Using the word "cap" suggests that you have

Re: Upgrading with a low data cap

On 10/09/2018 04:57 AM, Dan Purgert wrote: Richard Owlett wrote: On 10/08/2018 06:23 PM, David wrote: On Tue, 9 Oct 2018 at 06:25, Richard Owlett wrote: I have no LAN. I've a low cap. Using the word "cap" suggests that you have an internet service provider. True How do you connect to

Re: Upgrading with a low data cap

On 10/08/2018 09:30 PM, Kenneth Parker wrote: Hello Richard.  I honor the help you have given to other users on this List.  Good work! On Mon, Oct 8, 2018 at 9:49 PM Richard Owlett > wrote: On 10/08/2018 06:23 PM, David wrote: > On Tue, 9 Oct 2018 at 06:25

Re: Upgrading with a low data cap

Richard Owlett wrote: > On 10/08/2018 06:23 PM, David wrote: >> On Tue, 9 Oct 2018 at 06:25, Richard Owlett wrote: >>> >>> I have no LAN. >>> >>> I've a low cap. >> >> Using the word "cap" suggests that you have an internet service provider. > > True >> >> How do you connect to that service prov

Re: Upgrading with a low data cap

On Mon 08 Oct 2018 at 21:39:49 +0100, Brian wrote: > On Mon 08 Oct 2018 at 15:32:52 -0500, Richard Owlett wrote: > > > On 10/08/2018 02:46 PM, Brian wrote: > > > On Mon 08 Oct 2018 at 14:24:49 -0500, Richard Owlett wrote: > > > > > > > On 10/08/2018 10:56 AM, David Wright wrote: > > > > > > > >

Re: Upgrading with a low data cap

Hello Richard. I honor the help you have given to other users on this List. Good work! On Mon, Oct 8, 2018 at 9:49 PM Richard Owlett wrote: > On 10/08/2018 06:23 PM, David wrote: > > On Tue, 9 Oct 2018 at 06:25, Richard Owlett wrote: > >> > >> I have no LAN. > >> > >> I've a low cap. > > > >

Re: Upgrading with a low data cap

On 10/08/2018 06:23 PM, David wrote: On Tue, 9 Oct 2018 at 06:25, Richard Owlett wrote: I have no LAN. I've a low cap. Using the word "cap" suggests that you have an internet service provider. True How do you connect to that service provider? The same way as for decades via a "modem"

Re: Upgrading with a low data cap

On Tue, 9 Oct 2018 at 06:25, Richard Owlett wrote: > > I have no LAN. > > I've a low cap. Using the word "cap" suggests that you have an internet service provider. How do you connect to that service provider? What is the make and model of the equipment that provides the connection to that servi

Re: Upgrading with a low data cap

On Mon 08 Oct 2018 at 15:32:52 -0500, Richard Owlett wrote: > On 10/08/2018 02:46 PM, Brian wrote: > > On Mon 08 Oct 2018 at 14:24:49 -0500, Richard Owlett wrote: > > > > > On 10/08/2018 10:56 AM, David Wright wrote: > > > > > > > > That may well be, but the sooner you deploy some method of reus

Re: Upgrading with a low data cap

On 10/08/2018 02:46 PM, Brian wrote: On Mon 08 Oct 2018 at 14:24:49 -0500, Richard Owlett wrote: On 10/08/2018 10:56 AM, David Wright wrote: That may well be, but the sooner you deploy some method of reusing packages, the more you avoid exceeding your cap. I've a low cap. But I use even les

Re: Upgrading with a low data cap

On Mon 08 Oct 2018 at 14:24:49 -0500, Richard Owlett wrote: > On 10/08/2018 10:56 AM, David Wright wrote: > > > > That may well be, but the sooner you deploy some method of reusing > > packages, the more you avoid exceeding your cap. > > I've a low cap. But I use even less and have built up a cu

Re: Upgrading with a low data cap

On Mon 08 Oct 2018 at 14:24:49 -0500, Richard Owlett wrote: > On 10/08/2018 10:56 AM, David Wright wrote: > > On Mon 08 Oct 2018 at 06:35:19 (-0500), Richard Owlett wrote: > > > [snip] > > > > I was under the impression that your networking consisted of > > > > point-to-point links via machines' U

Re: Upgrading with a low data cap

On 10/08/2018 10:56 AM, David Wright wrote: On Mon 08 Oct 2018 at 06:35:19 (-0500), Richard Owlett wrote: [snip] I was under the impression that your networking consisted of point-to-point links via machines' USB ports. That effort is on hold [almost abandoned]. It's goal was primarily educat

Re: Upgrading with a low data cap

On Sun 07 Oct 2018 at 15:29:43 +0100, Brian wrote: > On Sun 07 Oct 2018 at 08:32:42 -0500, Richard Owlett wrote: > > [snip] > > > What should I be reading? > > https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2017/06/msg00510.html Moving on from this helpful answer, the snipped bit is restored below: >

Re: Upgrading with a low data cap

On Mon 08 Oct 2018 at 06:35:19 (-0500), Richard Owlett wrote: > On 10/07/2018 08:25 PM, David Wright wrote: > > On Sun 07 Oct 2018 at 09:01:43 (-0500), Richard Owlett wrote: > > > On 10/07/2018 08:45 AM, Dan Purgert wrote: > > > > Richard Owlett wrote: > > > > > [...] > > > > > Is it possible to us

Re: Upgrading with a low data cap

On Mon 08 Oct 2018 at 06:59:15 (+0100), Tixy wrote: > On Sun, 2018-10-07 at 20:08 -0500, David Wright wrote: > [...] > > If you're impatient and want to copy files to the stick during > > installation, note that (last time I looked) cp has no -n switch > > at this time. > > $ man cp | grep -C1 '\-

Re: Upgrading with a low data cap

On Mon 08 Oct 2018 at 08:06:56 (+), Curt wrote: > On 2018-10-07, Richard Owlett wrote: > > All my machines have use Stretch DVD1 for installation. > > I have a low monthly data cap - currently at my limit. > > One machine has an apt-get update and upgrade with the addition of some > > package

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Richard Owlett wrote: > On 10/08/2018 06:56 AM, Dan Purgert wrote: >> [...] >> Admittedly, these options work best if you have multiple machines >> that're pretty much the same (e.g. that "lab" I did, where all the >> desktops were identical). >> > > They are not physically identical but all are S

Re: Upgrading with a low data cap

On Mon, Oct 08, 2018 at 06:35:19AM -0500, Richard Owlett wrote: > > I haven't yet read the documentation for apt-cache-ng and don't know if it > would match my mental image. I was assuming that that all the packages that > I downloaded/upgraded were still in a cache which could be transferred to >

Re: Upgrading with a low data cap

On 10/08/2018 06:56 AM, Dan Purgert wrote: Richard Owlett wrote: On 10/07/2018 08:25 PM, David Wright wrote: [...] Can you simultaneously connect the machine being installed to both the internet and the system running apt-cache-ng (and using http:)? I haven't yet read the documentation for ap

Re: Upgrading with a low data cap

Richard Owlett wrote: > On 10/07/2018 08:25 PM, David Wright wrote: >> [...] >> Can you simultaneously >> connect the machine being installed to both the internet and the >> system running apt-cache-ng (and using http:)? > > I haven't yet read the documentation for apt-cache-ng and don't know if >

Re: Upgrading with a low data cap

On 2018-10-08 12:06, songbird wrote: mick crane wrote: On 2018-10-07 20:04, songbird wrote: i used to run on dialup and hated how long it took for some things to download. the package debdelta did help some at that time, but i have no idea if the service is even still there let alone functi

Re: Upgrading with a low data cap

On 10/07/2018 08:08 PM, David Wright wrote: On Sun 07 Oct 2018 at 08:32:42 (-0500), Richard Owlett wrote: All my machines have use Stretch DVD1 for installation. I have a low monthly data cap - currently at my limit. One machine has an apt-get update and upgrade with the addition of some package

Re: Upgrading with a low data cap

On 10/07/2018 08:25 PM, David Wright wrote: On Sun 07 Oct 2018 at 09:01:43 (-0500), Richard Owlett wrote: On 10/07/2018 08:45 AM, Dan Purgert wrote: Richard Owlett wrote: [...] Is it possible to use the cached data on another machine? What should I be reading? TIA I think so, but it may be m

Re: Upgrading with a low data cap

mick crane wrote: > On 2018-10-07 20:04, songbird wrote: > >> i used to run on dialup and hated how long it took >> for some things to download. the package debdelta >> did help some at that time, but i have no idea if the >> service is even still there let alone functional. > > I installed Gent

Re: Upgrading with a low data cap

On 2018-10-07 20:04, songbird wrote: i used to run on dialup and hated how long it took for some things to download. the package debdelta did help some at that time, but i have no idea if the service is even still there let alone functional. I installed Gentoo once over dialup It took two w

Re: Upgrading with a low data cap

On 2018-10-07, Richard Owlett wrote: > All my machines have use Stretch DVD1 for installation. > I have a low monthly data cap - currently at my limit. > One machine has an apt-get update and upgrade with the addition of some > packages not on DVD1. > I've not intentionally deleted any cached fil

Re: Upgrading with a low data cap

On Sun, 2018-10-07 at 20:08 -0500, David Wright wrote: [...] > If you're impatient and want to copy files to the stick during > installation, note that (last time I looked) cp has no -n switch > at this time. $ man cp | grep -C1 '\-n,'    -n, --no-clobber   do not overwrite an exi

Re: Upgrading with a low data cap

On 10/7/18 6:32 AM, Richard Owlett wrote: All my machines have use Stretch DVD1 for installation. I have a low monthly data cap - currently at my limit. One machine has an apt-get update and upgrade with the addition of some packages not on DVD1. I've not intentionally deleted any cached files.

Re: Upgrading with a low data cap

On Sun 07 Oct 2018 at 09:01:43 (-0500), Richard Owlett wrote: > On 10/07/2018 08:45 AM, Dan Purgert wrote: > > Richard Owlett wrote: > > > [...] > > > Is it possible to use the cached data on another machine? > > > What should I be reading? > > > TIA > > > > I think so, but it may be more manual t

Re: Upgrading with a low data cap

On Sun 07 Oct 2018 at 08:32:42 (-0500), Richard Owlett wrote: > All my machines have use Stretch DVD1 for installation. > I have a low monthly data cap - currently at my limit. > One machine has an apt-get update and upgrade with the addition of > some packages not on DVD1. > I've not intentionally

Re: Upgrading with a low data cap

Richard Owlett wrote: > All my machines have use Stretch DVD1 for installation. > I have a low monthly data cap - currently at my limit. > One machine has an apt-get update and upgrade with the addition of some > packages not on DVD1. > I've not intentionally deleted any cached files. > Is it pos

Re: Upgrading with a low data cap

On 10/7/18, Richard Owlett wrote: > All my machines have use Stretch DVD1 for installation. > I have a low monthly data cap - currently at my limit. > One machine has an apt-get update and upgrade with the addition of some > packages not on DVD1. > I've not intentionally deleted any cached files.

Re: Upgrading with a low data cap

On Sun 07 Oct 2018 at 08:32:42 -0500, Richard Owlett wrote: [snip] > What should I be reading? https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2017/06/msg00510.html -- Brian.

Re: Upgrading with a low data cap

On 10/07/2018 08:45 AM, Dan Purgert wrote: Richard Owlett wrote: [...] Is it possible to use the cached data on another machine? What should I be reading? TIA I think so, but it may be more manual than you'd otherwise do. NOT a problem. I've lots of time. Data cap is the constraint. My routi

Re: Upgrading with a low data cap

Hi. On Sun, Oct 07, 2018 at 08:32:42AM -0500, Richard Owlett wrote: > All my machines have use Stretch DVD1 for installation. > I have a low monthly data cap - currently at my limit. > One machine has an apt-get update and upgrade with the addition of some > packages not on DVD1. > I've n

Re: Upgrading with a low data cap

Richard Owlett wrote: > [...] > Is it possible to use the cached data on another machine? > What should I be reading? > TIA I think so, but it may be more manual than you'd otherwise do. Perhaps you should look into apt-cache-ng (IIRC) or squid to facilitate automatic caching. Ive used the latt

Upgrading with a low data cap

All my machines have use Stretch DVD1 for installation. I have a low monthly data cap - currently at my limit. One machine has an apt-get update and upgrade with the addition of some packages not on DVD1. I've not intentionally deleted any cached files. Is it possible to use the cached data on a