Re: Trusted computing [WAS new user question: debian on a Thinkpad T61]

2008-01-15 Thread Max Hyre
David Brodbeck wrote: > I remember when Intel started shipping processors with unique ID > numbers. There was much weeping and gnashing of teeth as open-source > proponents and privacy advocates declared that this would lead to the > end of civilization as we know it. Yup, remember being

Re: Trusted computing [WAS new user question: debian on a Thinkpad T61]

2008-01-14 Thread David Brodbeck
On Jan 13, 2008, at 1:47 PM, Hal Finney wrote: I am actively involved with some open-source TPM projects and see this technology as having tremendous potential. It pains me to see so much uninformed FUD being cast about whenever the topic comes up. We're a twitchy bunch, aren't we? I remember

Re: Trusted computing [WAS new user question: debian on a Thinkpad T61]

2008-01-13 Thread Douglas A. Tutty
On Sun, Jan 13, 2008 at 08:23:30PM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote: > On 01/13/08 19:42, David wrote: > > > >> > >> Here in the US, 99.5% of the people who regularly use the intarweb > >> couldn't secure their computer with a map, both hands and a flashlight. > > > > They should get the Canadians to sho

Re: Trusted computing [WAS new user question: debian on a Thinkpad T61]

2008-01-13 Thread Ron Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 01/13/08 19:42, David wrote: > Ron Johnson wrote: > >> >> Here in the US, 99.5% of the people who regularly use the intarweb >> couldn't secure their computer with a map, both hands and a flashlight. > > They should get the Canadians to show them

Re: Trusted computing [WAS new user question: debian on a Thinkpad T61]

2008-01-13 Thread David
Ron Johnson wrote: Here in the US, 99.5% of the people who regularly use the intarweb couldn't secure their computer with a map, both hands and a flashlight. They should get the Canadians to show them what they don't know how. Regards, -- David Palmer Linux User - #352034 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE,

Re: Trusted computing [WAS new user question: debian on a Thinkpad T61]

2008-01-13 Thread Mike Bird
On Sun January 13 2008 17:18:42 Ron Johnson wrote: > Here in the US, 99.5% of the people who regularly use the intarweb > couldn't secure their computer with a map, both hands and a flashlight. How about with a Debian installation CD? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subjec

Re: Trusted computing [WAS new user question: debian on a Thinkpad T61]

2008-01-13 Thread Ron Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 01/13/08 17:07, David wrote: > Hal Finney wrote: [snip] > > There is no critique of open source formats here (I've been meaning to > check back on the Open Bios project for a while), but I do endorse full > control being in the hands of the enduser

Re: Trusted computing [WAS new user question: debian on a Thinkpad T61]

2008-01-13 Thread ariestao
> Jimmy Wu wrote: >> I just got the ThinkPad T61 laptop today. I went in to system >> properties to take a look at the hardware device manager and I noticed >> it included "Trusted Platform Module 1.2". Now, this raised a red >> flag for me, as my first impressions of "trusted computing" were >> fr

Re: Trusted computing [WAS new user question: debian on a Thinkpad T61]

2008-01-13 Thread David
Hal Finney wrote: Jimmy Wu wrote: I just got the ThinkPad T61 laptop today. I went in to system properties to take a look at the hardware device manager and I noticed it included "Trusted Platform Module 1.2". Now, this raised a red flag for me, as my first impressions of "trusted computing" wer

Re: Trusted computing [WAS new user question: debian on a Thinkpad T61]

2008-01-13 Thread Hal Finney
Jimmy Wu wrote: > I just got the ThinkPad T61 laptop today. I went in to system > properties to take a look at the hardware device manager and I noticed > it included "Trusted Platform Module 1.2". Now, this raised a red > flag for me, as my first impressions of "trusted computing" were > framed by

Re: Trusted computing [WAS new user question: debian on a Thinkpad T61]

2008-01-12 Thread Damon L. Chesser
David wrote: Scott Gifford wrote: David <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Jimmy Wu wrote: [...] (2) Does Debian support TPM chips? What is the community's take on the issue? My take is that TPM does have some security merits, but it also has a lot of potential for abuse. Google turned up these

Re: Trusted computing [WAS new user question: debian on a Thinkpad T61]

2008-01-12 Thread Martin Marcher
On Saturday 12 January 2008 08:45 David wrote: > I'm a member of Al Quaida OMG, everybody RUN! Yes that "missquote" was on purpose, please read the references before arresting this person...(whoever it may concern...) -- http://noneisyours.marcher.name http://feeds.feedbur

Re: Trusted computing [WAS new user question: debian on a Thinkpad T61]

2008-01-11 Thread David
Scott Gifford wrote: David <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Jimmy Wu wrote: [...] (2) Does Debian support TPM chips? What is the community's take on the issue? My take is that TPM does have some security merits, but it also has a lot of potential for abuse. Google turned up these results of the

Re: Trusted computing [WAS new user question: debian on a Thinkpad T61]

2008-01-11 Thread Scott Gifford
David <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Jimmy Wu wrote: [...] >> (2) Does Debian support TPM chips? What is the community's take on the issue? >> My take is that TPM does have some security merits, but it also has a >> lot of potential for abuse. >> Google turned up these results of the beginnings o

Re: Trusted computing [WAS new user question: debian on a Thinkpad T61]

2008-01-11 Thread Andrew Reid
On Friday 11 January 2008 22:14, Jimmy Wu wrote: > On Jan 10, 2008 12:31 PM, David Brodbeck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Jan 9, 2008, at 5:27 PM, Mike Bird wrote: > > > You might want to make the recovery CDs and save the recovery > > > partition. > > > In this sad world, being able to restore

Re: Trusted computing [WAS new user question: debian on a Thinkpad T61]

2008-01-11 Thread David
Jimmy Wu wrote: I just got the ThinkPad T61 laptop today. I went in to system properties to take a look at the hardware device manager and I noticed it included "Trusted Platform Module 1.2". Now, this raised a red flag for me, as my first impressions of "trusted computing" were framed by thi

Trusted computing [WAS new user question: debian on a Thinkpad T61]

2008-01-11 Thread Jimmy Wu
On Jan 10, 2008 12:31 PM, David Brodbeck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Jan 9, 2008, at 5:27 PM, Mike Bird wrote: > > You might want to make the recovery CDs and save the recovery > > partition. > > In this sad world, being able to restore/reinstall Vista will > > dramatically > > improve resale