Re: Transitioning to 64bit, is it worth it, and how

2007-08-08 Thread Stefan Monnier
> So I installed a system where / and /boot are not on raid and low and behold > grub seemed to successfully install the boot sector and I could boot > the disks. Making the /boot partition on a RAID is generally not possible with GRUB (don't know about LILO). It supposedly can be done if the RA

Re: Transitioning to 64bit, is it worth it, and how

2007-08-06 Thread Alan Chandler
On Monday 06 August 2007, Douglas Allan Tutty wrote: > On Mon, Aug 06, 2007 at 12:55:46PM +0100, Alan Chandler wrote: > > >On 8/4/07, Alan Chandler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >>I have a Core2 Duo on which I am running a 686 kernel (from > > >> Debian unstable). It has 1GB of memory > > >> > >

Re: Transitioning to 64bit, is it worth it, and how

2007-08-06 Thread Douglas Allan Tutty
On Mon, Aug 06, 2007 at 12:55:46PM +0100, Alan Chandler wrote: > >On 8/4/07, Alan Chandler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >>I have a Core2 Duo on which I am running a 686 kernel (from Debian > >>unstable). It has 1GB of memory > >> > >>I am wondering two things > >> > >>a) What are the pros and co

Re: Transitioning to 64bit, is it worth it, and how

2007-08-06 Thread Alan Chandler
On 8/4/07, Alan Chandler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I have a Core2 Duo on which I am running a 686 kernel (from Debian unstable). It has 1GB of memory I am wondering two things a) What are the pros and cons in switching to 64 bit mode? - Is it faster? I am only responding to this

Re: Transitioning to 64bit, is it worth it, and how

2007-08-05 Thread Douglas Allan Tutty
On Sun, Aug 05, 2007 at 12:28:14AM -0600, Bob Proulx wrote: > But even so there was huge resistance because it was not a perfect > solution and did not support 32-bit applications out of the box. I run Etch amd64 on may Athlon64 3800+ and its great. Then again, this box was an upgrade from my 4

Re: Transitioning to 64bit, is it worth it, and how

2007-08-04 Thread Bob Proulx
Andrew J. Barr wrote: > Ron Johnson wrote: > > Andrew J. Barr wrote: > > > Yes. Unlike true 64-bit architectures like PowerPC, there is a penalty > > > for executing 32 bit code on amd64/em64t processors. Most certainly incorrect. In fact natively compiled AMD64 64-bit compiled code *may* run fas

Re: Transitioning to 64bit, is it worth it, and how

2007-08-04 Thread Stefan Monnier
> is because there is a penalty for executing 32-bit code, one which is There is none (if you use the 32bit subset of the AMD64 architecture). But there is a penalty for using the x86 architecture instead of the amd64 architecture. This penalty is not specific to the Athlon64/Opteron/younameit, b

Re: Transitioning to 64bit, is it worth it, and how

2007-08-04 Thread Ron Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 08/04/07 14:31, Andrew J. Barr wrote: > On 8/4/07, Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> On 08/04/07 12:53, Andrew J. Barr wrote: a) What are the pros and cons in switching to 64 bit mode? - Is it faster? >>> Yes. Unlike true 6

Re: Transitioning to 64bit, is it worth it, and how

2007-08-04 Thread Andrew J. Barr
On 8/4/07, Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 08/04/07 12:53, Andrew J. Barr wrote: > >> a) What are the pros and cons in switching to 64 bit mode? > >> - Is it faster? > > > > Yes. Unlike true 64-bit architectures like PowerPC, there is a penalty > > for executing 32 bit code on a

Re: Transitioning to 64bit, is it worth it, and how

2007-08-04 Thread Ron Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 08/04/07 12:53, Andrew J. Barr wrote: > On 8/4/07, Alan Chandler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> I have a Core2 Duo on which I am running a 686 kernel (from Debian >> unstable). It has 1GB of memory >> >> I am wondering two things >> >> a) What are t

Re: Transitioning to 64bit, is it worth it, and how

2007-08-04 Thread Andrew J. Barr
On 8/4/07, Alan Chandler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I have a Core2 Duo on which I am running a 686 kernel (from Debian > unstable). It has 1GB of memory > > I am wondering two things > > a) What are the pros and cons in switching to 64 bit mode? > - Is it faster? Yes. Unlike true 64-bit

Re: Transitioning to 64bit, is it worth it, and how

2007-08-04 Thread Jose Luis Rivas Contreras
Marko Randjelovic wrote: > option. If you need Acroread, first install ia32-libs-gtk from Ubuntu. Just for the record, I installed today ia32-libs-gtk from officials unstable repos in Debian... Regards, Jose Luis. -- ghostbar on Linux/Debian 'sid' x86_64-SMP - #382503 Weblog: http://ghostbar.at

Re: Transitioning to 64bit, is it worth it, and how

2007-08-04 Thread Douglas Allan Tutty
On Sat, Aug 04, 2007 at 12:19:09PM +0100, Alan Chandler wrote: > On Saturday 04 Aug 2007, Ron Johnson wrote: > > On 08/04/07 03:25, Alan Chandler wrote: > > > > b) Is there a simple transition path? > > > > Reinstall from scratch, and pray that your /home is on a seperate > > partition. > > Well

Re: Transitioning to 64bit, is it worth it, and how

2007-08-04 Thread Alan Chandler
On Saturday 04 Aug 2007, Ron Johnson wrote: > On 08/04/07 03:25, Alan Chandler wrote: > > b) Is there a simple transition path? > > Reinstall from scratch, and pray that your /home is on a seperate > partition. Well the only home that matters - ie mine is - this is essentially just a personal ma

Transitioning to 64bit, is it worth it, and how

2007-08-04 Thread pinniped
* a) What are the pros and cons in switching to 64 bit mode? * - Is it faster? I don't know - never ran my Opteron in 32-bit mode. I was wishing 64-bit floating point operations would be faster but they're not because AMD didn't really improve the math unit. In principle it should be faster if

Re: Transitioning to 64bit, is it worth it, and how

2007-08-04 Thread Ron Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 08/04/07 03:25, Alan Chandler wrote: > I have a Core2 Duo on which I am running a 686 kernel (from Debian > unstable). It has 1GB of memory > > I am wondering two things > > a) What are the pros and cons in switching to 64 bit mode? > - I

Re: Transitioning to 64bit, is it worth it, and how

2007-08-04 Thread Marko Randjelovic
Alan Chandler wrote: > I have a Core2 Duo on which I am running a 686 kernel (from Debian > unstable). It has 1GB of memory > > I am wondering two things > > a) What are the pros and cons in switching to 64 bit mode? > - Is it faster? > - Are the packages less stable? > - Doe

Transitioning to 64bit, is it worth it, and how

2007-08-04 Thread Alan Chandler
I have a Core2 Duo on which I am running a 686 kernel (from Debian unstable). It has 1GB of memory I am wondering two things a) What are the pros and cons in switching to 64 bit mode? - Is it faster? - Are the packages less stable? - Does it need significantly more memo