Re: The real Debian.org

1997-10-28 Thread Carey Evans
"Jaldhar H. Vyas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Mon, 27 Oct 1997, Orn E. Hansen wrote: > > Let's march to Victory! SIEG HEIL! > > And thus Orn E. Hansen officially ends this thread. :-) Unfortunately not, even if he didn't invoke Godwin's Law on purpose. He just guaranteed a signal to noise

Re: IMPORTANT Correction: The real Debian.org

1997-10-27 Thread Bruce Perens
From: Britton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Actually, the first test case has already been won, and I doubt there will > be a second The first test case was not sufficiently general. There must be more of them to overturn the law. Thanks Bruce -- Can you get your operating system fixed

Re: IMPORTANT Correction: The real Debian.org

1997-10-27 Thread Britton
On Mon, 27 Oct 1997, Hamish Moffatt wrote: > On Sun, Oct 26, 1997 at 07:18:27PM -0500, Dave Cinege wrote: > > On Sun, 26 Oct 1997 23:54:15 +0100, Marcus Brinkmann wrote: > > > > >On Sun, Oct 26, 1997 at 12:25:56PM -1000, Jimen Ching wrote: > > >> > > >> 2. To the users, it's so pitiful that use

Re: The real Debian.org

1997-10-27 Thread Gernot Bauer
Orn E. Hansen wrote: > > ^ann 27-Oct-97 skrifar Gernot Bauer: > > Dave (dc) wrote: > >> -- Take heed people. This is what happens if you dare challenge the > >> leadership of the > >> Debian project. > > [crap deleted] > > > > Can we please filter mails from [EMAIL PROTECTED] from the > > debian-u

Re: The real Debian.org

1997-10-27 Thread Jaldhar H. Vyas
On Mon, 27 Oct 1997, Orn E. Hansen wrote: > Yeah, and bandwidth costs money... and who wants to pay for opinions > nobody wants to hear, right? > I will gladly pay for opinions I do not want to hear but is it asking too much for them to have some substance? At one time Dave had a slight point

Re: The real Debian.org

1997-10-27 Thread Orn E. Hansen
Þann 27-Oct-97 skrifar Gernot Bauer: > Dave (dc) wrote: >> -- Take heed people. This is what happens if you dare challenge the >> leadership of the >> Debian project. > [crap deleted] > > Can we please filter mails from [EMAIL PROTECTED] from the > debian-user-list (and the digest). It was funny

Re: The real Debian.org

1997-10-27 Thread Federico Di Gregorio
Sorry for the cross-post but I had to do it... On 26 Oct, Dave Cinege wrote: > > Take heed people. This is what happens if you dare challenge the leadership > of the > Debian project. This is what happens if you chanllenge without valid motivations. > If you are new to Debian, please don't ma

Re: The real Debian.org

1997-10-27 Thread Gernot Bauer
Dave (dc) wrote: > -- Take heed people. This is what happens if you dare challenge the > leadership of the > Debian project. [crap deleted] Can we please filter mails from [EMAIL PROTECTED] from the debian-user-list (and the digest). It was funny in the beginning but this freak just wastes bandw

Re: The real Debian.org

1997-10-27 Thread Dave Cinege
On Mon, 27 Oct 1997 11:43:56 +1100, Hamish Moffatt wrote: >Thanks Dave, I needed a laugh to brighten up an otherwise uneventful day. >And I thought all you had to do was mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] >with some technical details, I think I forgot to include the grovelling >my email.. oops. Sorry Bruce, K

Re: The real Debian.org

1997-10-27 Thread Paul Ryan Kuykendall
Dave Cinege wrote: [much drek removed] > > That's the point, let it be known. I am done with it and debian. Bye. Leadership is a thankless task, but the great thing about free software is that if you don't like the leadership, strike off and go at it on your own. The people will follow if the

Re: The real Debian.org

1997-10-27 Thread Corey A
with all due respect grow up and leave debian alone if you done like the way debian is run and managed. Use another distribution. At 11:43 AM 10/27/97 +1100, Hamish Moffatt wrote: >On Sun, Oct 26, 1997 at 05:48:10PM -0500, Dave Cinege wrote: >> Take heed people. This is what happens if you dare

Re: The real Debian.org

1997-10-27 Thread Hamish Moffatt
On Sun, Oct 26, 1997 at 12:25:56PM -1000, Jimen Ching wrote: > I should mention that this is not the first time there was disagreement in > the Debian project. I remember in the beginning that Bruce and RMS also > had a disagreement. Fortunately, that was resolved. I hope this one gets > resolve

Re: IMPORTANT Correction: The real Debian.org

1997-10-27 Thread Hamish Moffatt
On Sun, Oct 26, 1997 at 07:18:27PM -0500, Dave Cinege wrote: > On Sun, 26 Oct 1997 23:54:15 +0100, Marcus Brinkmann wrote: > > >On Sun, Oct 26, 1997 at 12:25:56PM -1000, Jimen Ching wrote: > >> > >> 2. To the users, it's so pitiful that users of a distribution is so > >> quick to kick out a DEVEL

Re: The real Debian.org

1997-10-27 Thread Hamish Moffatt
On Sun, Oct 26, 1997 at 07:12:57PM -0500, Dave Cinege wrote: > >2. To the users, it's so pitiful that users of a distribution is so > >quick to kick out a DEVELOPER just because he disagrees with the leader. > > You're going to get a lot of flack over this. See I'm not a developer. Why? > I'm no

Re: The real Debian.org

1997-10-27 Thread Hamish Moffatt
On Sun, Oct 26, 1997 at 05:48:10PM -0500, Dave Cinege wrote: > Take heed people. This is what happens if you dare challenge the leadership > of the > Debian project. > > Personal attacks, compliants to your service provider, banishment from the > project. They will gang-up on you and drive you

RE: The real Debian.org

1997-10-27 Thread Orn E. Hansen
Þann 26-Oct-97 skrifar Dave Cinege: > > Take heed people. This is what happens if you dare challenge the leadership > of the > Debian project. > It happens everywhere, if you challenge the leader of a group. > Personal attacks, compliants to your service provider, banishment from the > proj

Re: The real Debian.org

1997-10-27 Thread Paul Seelig
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Dave Cinege) writes: > If you are new to Debian, please don't make the mistake I made. This is a > closed > software project, where you are allowed to contribute only if you surcome to > the > personal agenda of the current leadership. This is the structure and model of > t

Re: The real Debian.org -> please read

1997-10-27 Thread George Bonser
Would you guys kindly leave debian-user out of your squabble? It belongs in debian-dissent or debian-devel or private email in my opinion. -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .

Re: The real Debian.org -> please read

1997-10-26 Thread Colin R. Telmer
On Sun, 26 Oct 1997, Dave Cinege wrote: > If you are new to Debian, please don't make the mistake I made. This is a > closed > software project, where you are allowed to contribute only if you surcome to > the > personal agenda of the current leadership. This is the structure and model of > t

Re: IMPORTANT Correction: The real Debian.org

1997-10-26 Thread Dave Cinege
On Sun, 26 Oct 1997 23:54:15 +0100, Marcus Brinkmann wrote: >On Sun, Oct 26, 1997 at 12:25:56PM -1000, Jimen Ching wrote: >> >> 2. To the users, it's so pitiful that users of a distribution is so >> quick to kick out a DEVELOPER just because he disagrees with the leader. > >Please notice that Dav

Re: The real Debian.org

1997-10-26 Thread Dave Cinege
On Sun, 26 Oct 1997 12:25:56 -1000 (HST), Jimen Ching wrote: >First off, I am not a developer of Debian packages and thus do not know >how Bruce Perens manages the distribution. But basically I have two >comments. > >1. To DC, your first mistake was to post your request to all of the >debian li

Re: The real Debian.org

1997-10-26 Thread Andreas Jellinghaus
if you are friendly, we threat you friendly. if you are unfriendly, we might threat you unfriendly (but we try at least to be friendly). if you are unfriendly, are threated unfriendly, and complain about being threated unfrienly in an unfriendly tone, you are annoying. we have bett

Re: IMPORTANT Correction: The real Debian.org

1997-10-26 Thread Marcus Brinkmann
On Sun, Oct 26, 1997 at 12:25:56PM -1000, Jimen Ching wrote: > > 2. To the users, it's so pitiful that users of a distribution is so > quick to kick out a DEVELOPER just because he disagrees with the leader. Please notice that Dave Cinege is NOT a debian developer. He does not maintain a package

Re: The real Debian.org

1997-10-26 Thread Marcus Brinkmann
Hello Dave! Actually, you sent this message to me personally, so I think you want to address me. This is why I answer. On Sun, Oct 26, 1997 at 05:48:10PM -0500, Dave Cinege wrote: > > Take heed people. This is what happens if you dare challenge the leadership > of the > Debian project. > > P

Re: The real Debian.org

1997-10-26 Thread Jimen Ching
First off, I am not a developer of Debian packages and thus do not know how Bruce Perens manages the distribution. But basically I have two comments. 1. To DC, your first mistake was to post your request to all of the debian lists. The problem with this is that this is a developers' issue, not

The real Debian.org

1997-10-26 Thread Dave Cinege
Take heed people. This is what happens if you dare challenge the leadership of the Debian project. Personal attacks, compliants to your service provider, banishment from the project. They will gang-up on you and drive you away. You all should be ashamed of yourselves. If you are new to De