Re: Starting processes after installation

2019-09-27 Thread Brian
On Thu 26 Sep 2019 at 22:57:50 -0500, David Wright wrote: > On Wed 25 Sep 2019 at 18:12:25 (+0200), Sebastian Hyrwall wrote: > > On 2019-09-25 14:36, Dan Ritter wrote: > > > Sebastian Hyrwall wrote: > > >> Just a question. Is there anyone except me that thinks that autostarting > > >> processes a

Re: Starting processes after installation

2019-09-27 Thread David Wright
On Fri 27 Sep 2019 at 07:04:28 (-0400), Dan Ritter wrote: > David Wright wrote: > > On Wed 25 Sep 2019 at 18:12:25 (+0200), Sebastian Hyrwall wrote: > > > On 2019-09-25 14:36, Dan Ritter wrote: > > > > It turns out that Debian is relatively old. I've been using it > > > > since 1996 or so, and it

Re: Starting processes after installation

2019-09-27 Thread Dan Ritter
David Wright wrote: > On Wed 25 Sep 2019 at 18:12:25 (+0200), Sebastian Hyrwall wrote: > > On 2019-09-25 14:36, Dan Ritter wrote: > > > It turns out that Debian is relatively old. I've been using it > > > since 1996 or so, and it was in version 2.1 back then. (I > > > haven't bothered to check thi

Re: Starting processes after installation

2019-09-26 Thread David Wright
On Wed 25 Sep 2019 at 18:12:25 (+0200), Sebastian Hyrwall wrote: > On 2019-09-25 14:36, Dan Ritter wrote: > > Sebastian Hyrwall wrote: > >> Just a question. Is there anyone except me that thinks that autostarting > >> processes after installation , via apt, is completely bonkers? No, I think that

Re: Starting processes after installation

2019-09-26 Thread Gene Heskett
On Thursday 26 September 2019 17:25:11 Greg Wooledge wrote: > On Thu, Sep 26, 2019 at 05:08:26PM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote: > > On Thursday 26 September 2019 16:44:01 Greg Wooledge wrote: > > > On Thu, Sep 26, 2019 at 04:42:15PM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote: > > > > And here I am, to announce that my

Re: Starting processes after installation

2019-09-26 Thread deloptes
Greg Wooledge wrote: > On Thu, Sep 26, 2019 at 05:08:26PM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote: >> On Thursday 26 September 2019 16:44:01 Greg Wooledge wrote: >> >> > On Thu, Sep 26, 2019 at 04:42:15PM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote: >> > > And here I am, to announce that my wintel boxes will only be updated >>

Re: Starting processes after installation

2019-09-26 Thread Greg Wooledge
On Thu, Sep 26, 2019 at 05:08:26PM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote: > On Thursday 26 September 2019 16:44:01 Greg Wooledge wrote: > > > On Thu, Sep 26, 2019 at 04:42:15PM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote: > > > And here I am, to announce that my wintel boxes will only be updated > > > to stretch because there

Re: Starting processes after installation

2019-09-26 Thread Gene Heskett
On Thursday 26 September 2019 16:44:01 Greg Wooledge wrote: > On Thu, Sep 26, 2019 at 04:42:15PM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote: > > And here I am, to announce that my wintel boxes will only be updated > > to stretch because there is not a buster compatible LCNC available > > yet. That I suspect will b

Re: Starting processes after installation

2019-09-26 Thread Greg Wooledge
On Thu, Sep 26, 2019 at 04:42:15PM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote: > And here I am, to announce that my wintel boxes will only be updated to > stretch because there is not a buster compatible LCNC available yet. > That I suspect will be a while as switching to python-3.7, and to > wayland will take s

Re: Starting processes after installation

2019-09-26 Thread Gene Heskett
On Wednesday 25 September 2019 17:15:56 Gene Heskett wrote: > On Wednesday 25 September 2019 15:57:47 Greg Wooledge wrote: > > On Wed, Sep 25, 2019 at 03:51:39PM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote: > > > Neither of these links adresses the 2 main problems, wrong > > > networking setup after the first reboo

Re: Starting processes after installation

2019-09-25 Thread Gene Heskett
On Wednesday 25 September 2019 15:57:47 Greg Wooledge wrote: > On Wed, Sep 25, 2019 at 03:51:39PM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote: > > Neither of these links adresses the 2 main problems, wrong > > networking setup after the first reboot (see ip r) if you are > > running a static network defined in each

Re: Starting processes after installation

2019-09-25 Thread Greg Wooledge
On Wed, Sep 25, 2019 at 03:51:39PM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote: > Neither of these links adresses the 2 main problems, wrong networking > setup after the first reboot (see ip r) if you are running a static > network defined in each machines /etc/host files, and only fixable by > removing avahi-dae

Re: Starting processes after installation

2019-09-25 Thread Gene Heskett
On Wednesday 25 September 2019 13:39:04 Greg Wooledge wrote: > On Wed, Sep 25, 2019 at 01:35:39PM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote: > > Buster runs fine, IF it can find its keyboard and mouse. But ssh > > doesn't want to run until the random number generator is seeded, and > > without a keyboard, it does

Re: Starting processes after installation

2019-09-25 Thread Greg Wooledge
On Wed, Sep 25, 2019 at 01:35:39PM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote: > Buster runs fine, IF it can find its keyboard and mouse. But ssh doesn't > want to run until the random number generator is seeded, and without a > keyboard, it doesn't get seeded. It will sit there and answer a ping for > half an h

Re: Starting processes after installation

2019-09-25 Thread Gene Heskett
On Wednesday 25 September 2019 12:12:25 Sebastian Hyrwall wrote: > Hi > > All good points. See below. > > On 2019-09-25 14:36, Dan Ritter wrote: > > Sebastian Hyrwall wrote: > >> Hi > >> > >> Just a question. Is there anyone except me that thinks that > >> autostarting processes after installation

Re: Starting processes after installation

2019-09-25 Thread Sebastian Hyrwall
Hi All good points. See below. On 2019-09-25 14:36, Dan Ritter wrote: > Sebastian Hyrwall wrote: >> Hi >> >> Just a question. Is there anyone except me that thinks that autostarting >> processes after installation , via apt, is completely bonkers? >> >> It's been like this for ages but can anyon

Re: Starting processes after installation

2019-09-25 Thread Dan Ritter
Sebastian Hyrwall wrote: > Hi > > Just a question. Is there anyone except me that thinks that autostarting > processes after installation , via apt, is completely bonkers? > > It's been like this for ages but can anyone name any good reason for > this to be default? > > There must be a damn goo

Starting processes after installation

2019-09-25 Thread Sebastian Hyrwall
Hi Just a question. Is there anyone except me that thinks that autostarting processes after installation , via apt, is completely bonkers? It's been like this for ages but can anyone name any good reason for this to be default? There must be a damn good one or it would have been disabled long ti