Re: Which file to initialize X? (was Re: Sawfish and Openbox: was fastest linux distro)

2014-06-06 Thread Filip
Joel Roth writes: > > I would be interested in having a summary. > > For my purposes, I use startx, and 'man startx' tells me to > put my initializations in .xinitrc, and does not refer > to any other init files. > > I used to have an .xsession file, which eventually stopped > working. > > 'man

Which file to initialize X? (was Re: Sawfish and Openbox: was fastest linux distro)

2014-06-06 Thread Joel Roth
Brian wrote: > On Wed 04 Jun 2014 at 23:56:37 -0600, Bob Proulx wrote: > > > Brian wrote: > > > > > Those who use startx etc have some expectation of being provided with > > > uncomplicated correct information. > > > > The 'startx' is basically the "simple" way to start X and to use the > > syst

Re: Sawfish and Openbox: was fastest linux distro

2014-06-06 Thread Brian
On Wed 04 Jun 2014 at 23:56:37 -0600, Bob Proulx wrote: > Brian wrote: > > > Those who use startx etc have some expectation of being provided with > > uncomplicated correct information. > > The 'startx' is basically the "simple" way to start X and to use the > system supplied defaults. Which is

Re: Sawfish and Openbox: was fastest linux distro

2014-06-05 Thread Steve Litt
On Mon, 02 Jun 2014 12:26:15 +0200 David Dušanić wrote: > I think at this point I link you to my fonts how-to for Debian > (Openbox). > > http://crunchbang.org/forums/viewtopic.php?pid=196047#p196047 Very, very nice article. Very clearly written. I'm going to try this tomorrow. Thanks so much.

Re: Sawfish and Openbox: was fastest linux distro

2014-06-04 Thread Bob Proulx
Brian wrote: > The fact though is that most users do not avoid startx or a > DM. Anyone who uses xinit has gone to some trouble to avoid either > of these two ways of getting X running. You would expect them to > know what they are doing. But people using xinit have not gone to any trouble to avoi

Re: Sawfish and Openbox: was fastest linux distro

2014-06-03 Thread Filip
Bob Proulx writes: > > I recommend using .Xresources loaded into the xrdb at start time. It > makes the most general sense to me. That way customizations are a > property of your $DISPLAY and not a property of your $HOME. But > either works if you understand the search and merge order. > > Bob

Re: Sawfish and Openbox: was fastest linux distro

2014-06-03 Thread Brian
On Tue 03 Jun 2014 at 13:45:14 -0600, Bob Proulx wrote: > > Debian doesn't use a .Xdefaults file. > > > >brian@desktop:~$ grep -r Xresources /etc/X11/ > >/etc/X11/Xsession:SYSRESOURCES=/etc/X11/Xresources > >/etc/X11/Xsession:USRRESOURCES=$HOME/.Xresources > > True. But that is the d

Re: Sawfish and Openbox: was fastest linux distro

2014-06-03 Thread Bob Proulx
Brian wrote: > Vincent Lefevre wrote: > > Brian wrote: > > > I looked in the place that startx and the DMs look with a default > > > install of X. Which is not to deny your valid point. However. a user > > > would have to put in the extra effort to use .Xdefaults- or, > > > if they know it is possi

Re: Sawfish and Openbox: was fastest linux distro

2014-06-02 Thread Vincent Lefevre
On 2014-06-02 18:33:30 +0100, Brian wrote: > Fair enough. Now, if only users were advised to use .Xdefaults- > or .Xresources. Instead the choice is always .Xdefaults or .Xresources. > As I think we are agreed, one of these doesn't work. Ok, it can be made > to work; for example I've seen linking .

Re: Sawfish and Openbox: was fastest linux distro

2014-06-02 Thread Brian
On Mon 02 Jun 2014 at 16:27:22 +0200, Vincent Lefevre wrote: > On 2014-06-02 14:11:03 +0100, Brian wrote: > > I looked in the place that startx and the DMs look with a default > > install of X. Which is not to deny your valid point. However. a user > > would have to put in the extra effort to use

Re: Sawfish and Openbox: was fastest linux distro

2014-06-02 Thread Vincent Lefevre
On 2014-06-02 14:11:03 +0100, Brian wrote: > I looked in the place that startx and the DMs look with a default > install of X. Which is not to deny your valid point. However. a user > would have to put in the extra effort to use .Xdefaults- or, > if they know it is possible, a .Xresources directory

Re: Sawfish and Openbox: was fastest linux distro

2014-06-02 Thread Brian
On Mon 02 Jun 2014 at 12:38:20 +0200, David Dušanić wrote: > 01.06.2014, 19:21, "Brian" : > > On Sun 01 Jun 2014 at 13:09:11 -0400, Steve Litt wrote: > >>  On Sun, 01 Jun 2014 13:18:11 +0200 > >>  David Dušanić wrote: > >>>  I would make an .Xdefaults/.Xresources in your home folder with this > >

Re: Sawfish and Openbox: was fastest linux distro

2014-06-02 Thread Brian
On Mon 02 Jun 2014 at 10:04:29 +0200, Vincent Lefevre wrote: > On 2014-06-01 16:14:24 +0100, Brian wrote: > > > > Debian doesn't use a .Xdefaults file. > > > >brian@desktop:~$ grep -r Xresources /etc/X11/ > >/etc/X11/Xsession:SYSRESOURCES=/etc/X11/Xresources > >/etc/X11/Xsession:USRR

Re: Sawfish and Openbox: was fastest linux distro

2014-06-02 Thread David Dušanić
01.06.2014, 19:21, "Brian" : > On Sun 01 Jun 2014 at 13:09:11 -0400, Steve Litt wrote: >>  On Sun, 01 Jun 2014 13:18:11 +0200 >>  David Dušanić wrote: >>>  I would make an .Xdefaults/.Xresources in your home folder with this >>>  e.g.: >>> >>>  Xft.autohint: 0 >>>  Xft.antialias: 1 >>>  Xft.hintin

Re: Sawfish and Openbox: was fastest linux distro

2014-06-02 Thread David Dušanić
> You mention making an .Xdefaults/.Xresources in my home directory. Can > I safely assume the slash meant either/or, rather than directory/file? > I already had a .Xdefaults, but it was a config file, not a directory. Yes, the slash meant either/or. Xdefaults is the older way of doing it, I still

Re: Sawfish and Openbox: was fastest linux distro

2014-06-02 Thread Vincent Lefevre
On 2014-06-01 16:14:24 +0100, Brian wrote: > On Sun 01 Jun 2014 at 10:48:17 -0400, Steve Litt wrote: > > > You mention making an .Xdefaults/.Xresources in my home directory. Can > > I safely assume the slash meant either/or, rather than directory/file? > > I already had a .Xdefaults, but it was a

Re: Sawfish and Openbox: was fastest linux distro

2014-06-01 Thread Brian
On Sun 01 Jun 2014 at 13:09:11 -0400, Steve Litt wrote: > On Sun, 01 Jun 2014 13:18:11 +0200 > David Dušanić wrote: > > > > I would make an .Xdefaults/.Xresources in your home folder with this > > e.g.: > > > > Xft.autohint: 0 > > Xft.antialias: 1 > > Xft.hinting: true > > Xft.hintstyle: hintsl

Re: Sawfish and Openbox: was fastest linux distro

2014-06-01 Thread Filip
On Sun, 1 Jun 2014 13:09:11 -0400 Steve Litt wrote: > On Sun, 01 Jun 2014 13:18:11 +0200 > David Dušanić wrote: > > > 31.05.2014, 18:59, "Steve Litt" : > > > On Sat, 31 May 2014 08:51:13 -0400 > > > Tony Baldwin wrote: > > >>  Sawfish and openbox, even metacity would fit in this last "just > >

Re: Sawfish and Openbox: was fastest linux distro

2014-06-01 Thread Steve Litt
On Sun, 01 Jun 2014 13:18:11 +0200 David Dušanić wrote: > 31.05.2014, 18:59, "Steve Litt" : > > On Sat, 31 May 2014 08:51:13 -0400 > > Tony Baldwin wrote: > >>  Sawfish and openbox, even metacity would fit in this last "just > >>  manages windows" category, and, in fact, don't even include a > >

Re: Sawfish and Openbox: was fastest linux distro

2014-06-01 Thread Brian
On Sun 01 Jun 2014 at 10:48:17 -0400, Steve Litt wrote: > You mention making an .Xdefaults/.Xresources in my home directory. Can > I safely assume the slash meant either/or, rather than directory/file? > I already had a .Xdefaults, but it was a config file, not a directory. > > I added your lines

Re: Sawfish and Openbox: was fastest linux distro

2014-06-01 Thread Steve Litt
On Sun, 1 Jun 2014 07:54:50 -0400 Pete Orrall wrote: > On Sat, May 31, 2014 at 12:59 PM, Steve Litt > wrote: > > On Sat, 31 May 2014 08:51:13 -0400 > > Tony Baldwin wrote: > > > >> Sawfish and openbox, even metacity would fit in this last "just > >> manages windows" category, and, in fact, don'

Re: Sawfish and Openbox: was fastest linux distro

2014-06-01 Thread Steve Litt
On Sun, 01 Jun 2014 13:18:11 +0200 David Dušanić wrote: > 31.05.2014, 18:59, "Steve Litt" : > > On Sat, 31 May 2014 08:51:13 -0400 > > Tony Baldwin wrote: > >>  Sawfish and openbox, even metacity would fit in this last "just > >>  manages windows" category, and, in fact, don't even include a > >

Re: Sawfish and Openbox: was fastest linux distro

2014-06-01 Thread Pete Orrall
On Sat, May 31, 2014 at 12:59 PM, Steve Litt wrote: > On Sat, 31 May 2014 08:51:13 -0400 > Tony Baldwin wrote: > >> Sawfish and openbox, even metacity would fit in this last "just >> manages windows" category, and, in fact, don't even include a panel, >> which I think JWM has by default. > > You'

Re: Sawfish and Openbox: was fastest linux distro

2014-06-01 Thread David Dušanić
31.05.2014, 18:59, "Steve Litt" : > On Sat, 31 May 2014 08:51:13 -0400 > Tony Baldwin wrote: >>  Sawfish and openbox, even metacity would fit in this last "just >>  manages windows" category, and, in fact, don't even include a panel, >>  which I think JWM has by default. > > You're just the person

Re: Sawfish and Openbox: was fastest linux distro

2014-05-31 Thread Tony Baldwin
On Sat, May 31, 2014 at 12:59:06PM -0400, Steve Litt wrote: > On Sat, 31 May 2014 08:51:13 -0400 > Tony Baldwin wrote: > > > Sawfish and openbox, even metacity would fit in this last "just > > manages windows" category, and, in fact, don't even include a panel, > > which I think JWM has by defaul

Re: Sawfish and Openbox: was fastest linux distro

2014-05-31 Thread Filip
On Sat, 31 May 2014 12:59:06 -0400 Steve Litt wrote: > On Sat, 31 May 2014 08:51:13 -0400 > Tony Baldwin wrote: > > > Sawfish and openbox, even metacity would fit in this last "just > > manages windows" category, and, in fact, don't even include a panel, > > which I think JWM has by default. >

Sawfish and Openbox: was fastest linux distro

2014-05-31 Thread Steve Litt
On Sat, 31 May 2014 08:51:13 -0400 Tony Baldwin wrote: > Sawfish and openbox, even metacity would fit in this last "just > manages windows" category, and, in fact, don't even include a panel, > which I think JWM has by default. You're just the person I need to talk to, Tony. Right now I've swit