On Sun, Nov 05, 2006 at 11:47:40PM -0700, Nate Duehr wrote:
> Pollywog wrote:
> >On Monday 06 November 2006 03:47, Kent West wrote:
> >>ChadDavis wrote:
> >>>But what's with all the attitude people flash around here.
> >>We're people; people are imperfect.
> >It's nothing the Debian developers can'
On Thu, Nov 09, 2006 at 04:32:10PM -0600, Mike McCarty wrote:
>
> You haven't asked why you can't simply do a "Reply" because the
> list server doesn't automatically put in a "Reply-to:" field
> for the list :-)
In case you don't understand this posting, this is an issue which
surfaces frequentl
On Thu, Nov 09, 2006 at 16:32:10 -0600, Mike McCarty wrote:
> cothrige wrote:
> >* ChadDavis ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> >
> >>I've recently started using this list. You might say that I've
> >>recently joined the debian community. Its great. Very intelligent
> >>and helpful. But what's with a
cothrige wrote:
* ChadDavis ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
I've recently started using this list. You might say that I've
recently joined the debian community. Its great. Very intelligent
and helpful. But what's with all the attitude people flash around
here. Have the threads I read end up in
On Wednesday 08 November 2006 17:19, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
> On Mon, 6 Nov 2006 10:10:34 -0500, Kamaraju Kusumanchi
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
> > On Monday 06 November 2006 10:02, Greg Folkert wrote:
> >> Couple of lists I am on, the matter of factly answers are all RTFM
> >> with exact location
On Mon, 6 Nov 2006 10:10:34 -0500, Kamaraju Kusumanchi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
said:
> On Monday 06 November 2006 10:02, Greg Folkert wrote:
>>
>> Couple of lists I am on, the matter of factly answers are all RTFM
>> with exact locations and nothing else.
> If that is the case, the developers need
* Zoran Kolic ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> > a very intimidating crowd over there. Makes Debian look like the girl
> > scouts in some ways.
>
> Not, in my opinion. Try stable, security
> and mobility (if you have laptop).
> No-one on open/freebsd lists will learn
> "newbie" first steps. Lot of pe
> I am not sure about /usr/share/doc but I did download and read the
> very fine handbook.
That's the one.
> However, a lot of stuff wasn't covered and so I
> had to turn to the community. Didn't do so on the mailing list,
> though BSDForums was a pretty good place to start. But, it really is
>
On Tuesday 07 November 2006 08:45, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > I don't think much of those who swing RTFM around like a club. I
> > don't think that's ever helpful.
>
> You don't need to hit things with a stick. You can also point the
> way with it.
I agree, but too often people use RTFM for no
On Mon, Nov 06, 2006 at 06:04:33PM -0600, Bud Rogers wrote:
> On Monday 06 November 2006 16:51, Roberto C. Sanchez wrote:
> > On Mon, Nov 06, 2006 at 10:10:34AM -0500, Kamaraju Kusumanchi wrote:
> > > On Monday 06 November 2006 10:02, Greg Folkert wrote:
> > > > Couple of lists I am on, the matter
* Zoran Kolic ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
>
> > Don't think I would be up for that one. I did try installing FreeBSD
> > right before moving to Debian (I was in one of those experimental
> > 'let's try a new OS' moods) and I did what I usually did and started
> > lurking in lists getting prepared
Hans du Plooy wrote:
On Mon, 2006-11-06 at 12:33 -0700, Nate Duehr wrote:
serious money, serious effort, serious uptime -- similar to the Dilbert
Unix cartoon where the guy with the white hair, suspenders, and a smug
expression says, "Here's a nickel kid, get yourself a better computer.",
and
On Monday 06 November 2006 21:25, Douglas Tutty wrote:
> Then factor in:
>
> Two correspondants who have different first languages,
> possibly neither english yet now emailing in english.
>
> Different cultural ways of interpreting the same written
> phrase.
>
> It takes
On Mon, 2006-11-06 at 12:33 -0700, Nate Duehr wrote:
> serious money, serious effort, serious uptime -- similar to the Dilbert
> Unix cartoon where the guy with the white hair, suspenders, and a smug
> expression says, "Here's a nickel kid, get yourself a better computer.",
> and tosses Dilbert
> > Want REAL attitude? Try OpenBSD. Now THAT's an attitude. (And we'll
> > leave it up to you to decide if it's good or bad... that's a judgement
> > call I'm not prepared to discuss on a Linux list! GRIN...)
Openbsd is not for newbies.
Faq is must_to_read for it.
> Don't think I would be u
On Mon, Nov 06, 2006 at 05:25:37PM -0500, Roberto C. Sanchez wrote:
> On Mon, Nov 06, 2006 at 07:17:00PM +0800, Tim Post wrote:
> > On Mon, 2006-11-06 at 00:32 -0800, David A. wrote:
> >
> > > Oh - attitude... I read aptitude! :P
> > > I've been a debian-user 1.5 year now and my impression is that
* Nate Bargmann ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
>
> That's why I like Speed Channel or ESPN this time of year--no campaign
> ads.
You've got to be kidding. What would TV be without campaign ads? I
wish they would have a political ad channel so I can watch them all
day throughout the year. Of course
* Nate Duehr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2006 Nov 06 17:26 -0600]:
> Nate Bargmann wrote:
>
> >As others have alluded to already, this list is subscribed to by many
> >people from many different walks of life who hold many differing
> >viewpoints. A great many of these subscribers live in the USA and wi
On Monday 06 November 2006 16:51, Roberto C. Sanchez wrote:
> On Mon, Nov 06, 2006 at 10:10:34AM -0500, Kamaraju Kusumanchi wrote:
> > On Monday 06 November 2006 10:02, Greg Folkert wrote:
> > > Couple of lists I am on, the matter of factly answers are all
> > > RTFM with exact locations and nothin
Nate Bargmann wrote:
As others have alluded to already, this list is subscribed to by many
people from many different walks of life who hold many differing
viewpoints. A great many of these subscribers live in the USA and with
another election cycle in progress a number of people have their dan
Kevin Mark wrote:
Hi Greg,
I read a blog post which I think can enlighten the 'I googled and found
nothing' issue. The post pointed out that two people google differently
because not all of us have the same 'skill' at it. Thus if you google
and get the answer, it is because you may have more 'go
On Mon, Nov 06, 2006 at 10:21:25AM -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> There's something that's always bothered me -- how many developers write
> usable documentation? And how many technical writers are capable of
> digging through code and descussions on -devel mailing lists to extract
> the
* ChadDavis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2006 Nov 05 21:02 -0600]:
> I've recently started using this list. You might say that I've
> recently joined the debian community. Its great. Very intelligent
> and helpful. But what's with all the attitude people flash around
> here. Have the threads I read en
On Mon, Nov 06, 2006 at 10:10:34AM -0500, Kamaraju Kusumanchi wrote:
> On Monday 06 November 2006 10:02, Greg Folkert wrote:
>
> >
> > Couple of lists I am on, the matter of factly answers are all RTFM with
> > exact locations and nothing else.
>
> If that is the case, the developers need to rewr
On Mon, Nov 06, 2006 at 12:33:40PM -0700, Nate Duehr wrote:
> David A. wrote:
>
> >BUT.. There is some sour itchy feelings regarding some plicy/political
> >stuff and diffrences in opinion. I've also felt "debian morale" going
> >down. But my impression is that the huge bulk, the big momentum of
>
On Mon, Nov 06, 2006 at 07:17:00PM +0800, Tim Post wrote:
> On Mon, 2006-11-06 at 00:32 -0800, David A. wrote:
>
> > Oh - attitude... I read aptitude! :P
> > I've been a debian-user 1.5 year now and my impression is that the
> > comunity is big and lot's of competent and experienced people - mostl
> It is not that we have an attitude, just that better than 90% of the
> questions asked on Debian-User have been asked before and have solutions
> already in the archive. Nearly everyone asking questions says "I search
> the archives" or "I've Googled for this". This then also leads us to be
> sus
On 11/6/06, Steve Kemp <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
On Mon, Nov 06, 2006 at 03:23:27PM -0500, celejar wrote:
> One of the most intelligent soliloquies I've seen in a while.
I'm glad you liked it. I wish you'd trimmed it from your reply
so we didn't have to read it twice.
Steve
Sorry.
Celej
On Mon, Nov 06, 2006 at 03:23:27PM -0500, celejar wrote:
> One of the most intelligent soliloquies I've seen in a while.
I'm glad you liked it. I wish you'd trimmed it from your reply
so we didn't have to read it twice.
Steve
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On 11/6/06, Nate Duehr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
David A. wrote:
> BUT.. There is some sour itchy feelings regarding some plicy/political
> stuff and diffrences in opinion. I've also felt "debian morale" going
> down. But my impression is that the huge bulk, the big momentum of
> Debian keeps o
* Nate Duehr ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
[snip]
>
> Want REAL attitude? Try OpenBSD. Now THAT's an attitude. (And we'll
> leave it up to you to decide if it's good or bad... that's a judgement
> call I'm not prepared to discuss on a Linux list! GRIN...)
Don't think I would be up for that one.
On Mon, Nov 06, 2006 at 12:33:40PM -0700, Nate Duehr wrote:
> David A. wrote:
>
>
> I don't think it's just Debian's morale that's low -- the "hype"
> surrounding Linux overall is down, the real world problems of operating
> Linux in business have cooled the general hub-bub about Linux and
> d
On Sun, Nov 05, 2006 at 11:40:27PM -0500, Roberto C. Sanchez wrote:
> On Sun, Nov 05, 2006 at 07:57:16PM -0700, ChadDavis wrote:
> > I've recently started using this list. You might say that I've
> > recently joined the debian community. Its great. Very intelligent
> > and helpful. But what's w
On Monday 06 November 2006 19:40, Nate Duehr wrote:
> Kamaraju Kusumanchi wrote:
> > If that is the case, the developers need to rewrite the manual in a way
> > which is understood by others. The content is probably OK but may need
> > reorganization. Getting RTFM questions does not always mean tha
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
There's something that's always bothered me -- how many developers write
usable documentation? And how many technical writers are capable of
digging through code and descussions on -devel mailing lists to extract
the information that needs to be written? I suspect th
Kamaraju Kusumanchi wrote:
If that is the case, the developers need to rewrite the manual in a way which
is understood by others. The content is probably OK but may need
reorganization. Getting RTFM questions does not always mean that the reader
is/was lazy to search for answers...
Feel free
David A. wrote:
BUT.. There is some sour itchy feelings regarding some plicy/political
stuff and diffrences in opinion. I've also felt "debian morale" going
down. But my impression is that the huge bulk, the big momentum of
Debian keeps on turning and monving in the right direction. No "medium
s
Hi,
On Sun, Nov 05, 2006 at 07:57:16PM -0700, ChadDavis wrote:
> I've recently started using this list. You might say that I've
> recently joined the debian community. Its great. Very intelligent
> and helpful. But what's with all the attitude people flash around
> here. Have the threads I re
Greg Folkert wrote:
It is not that we have an attitude, just that better than 90% of the
questions asked on Debian-User have been asked before and have solutions
already in the archive. Nearly everyone asking questions says "I search
the archives" or "I've Googled for this". This then also leads
On Sun, Nov 05, 2006 at 11:40:27PM -0500, Roberto C. Sanchez wrote:
> On Sun, Nov 05, 2006 at 07:57:16PM -0700, ChadDavis wrote:
> > I've recently started using this list. You might say that I've
> > recently joined the debian community. Its great. Very intelligent
> > and helpful. But what's w
On Mon, 2006-11-06 at 10:21 -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> On Mon, Nov 06, 2006 at 10:10:34AM -0500, Kamaraju Kusumanchi wrote:
> > On Monday 06 November 2006 10:02, Greg Folkert wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > Couple of lists I am on, the matter of factly answers are all RTFM with
> > > exact locations
On Mon, Nov 06, 2006 at 10:10:34AM -0500, Kamaraju Kusumanchi wrote:
> On Monday 06 November 2006 10:02, Greg Folkert wrote:
>
> >
> > Couple of lists I am on, the matter of factly answers are all RTFM with
> > exact locations and nothing else.
>
> If that is the case, the developers need to rewr
On Mon, Nov 06, 2006 at 08:09:50AM -0600, Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote:
> Kent West wrote:
> >ChadDavis wrote:
> >>But what's with all the attitude people flash around here.
> >
> >We're people; people are imperfect.
> >
>
> Correction: most people seem to be imperfect.
> (Need to be accurate here ;-) )
If it wasn't for a little attitude we wouldn't get along so well.
From: Roberto C. Sanchez [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sun 11/5/2006 11:40 PM
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: what's up with all the attitude
On Sun, Nov 05, 200
On Mon, Nov 06, 2006 at 10:10:34AM -0500, Kamaraju Kusumanchi wrote:
> On Monday 06 November 2006 10:02, Greg Folkert wrote:
>
> >
> > Couple of lists I am on, the matter of factly answers are all RTFM with
> > exact locations and nothing else.
>
> If that is the case, the developers need to rewr
On Mon, 2006-11-06 at 08:09 -0600, Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote:
> Kent West wrote:
> > ChadDavis wrote:
> >> But what's with all the attitude people flash around here.
> >
> > We're people; people are imperfect.
> >
>
> Correction: most people seem to be imperfect.
> (Need to be accurate here ;-) )
>
On Monday 06 November 2006 10:02, Greg Folkert wrote:
>
> Couple of lists I am on, the matter of factly answers are all RTFM with
> exact locations and nothing else.
If that is the case, the developers need to rewrite the manual in a way which
is understood by others. The content is probably OK
On Sun, 2006-11-05 at 19:57 -0700, ChadDavis wrote:
> I've recently started using this list. You might say that I've
> recently joined the debian community. Its great. Very intelligent
> and helpful. But what's with all the attitude people flash around
> here. Have the threads I read end up in
Kent West wrote:
ChadDavis wrote:
But what's with all the attitude people flash around here.
We're people; people are imperfect.
Correction: most people seem to be imperfect.
(Need to be accurate here ;-) )
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On Mon, 2006-11-06 at 00:32 -0800, David A. wrote:
> Oh - attitude... I read aptitude! :P
> I've been a debian-user 1.5 year now and my impression is that the
> comunity is big and lot's of competent and experienced people - mostly
> friendly too.
Remember that you have thousands and thousands of
> ...Very intelligent
> and helpful. But what's with all the attitude people flash around
> here. Have the threads I read end up in some petty bickering.
Well, some people like synaptic or pure apt-get, others worship
aptitude.. it's all about what attitude you have..
Oh - attitude... I read ap
Roberto C. Sanchez wrote:
On Sun, Nov 05, 2006 at 07:57:16PM -0700, ChadDavis wrote:
I've recently started using this list. You might say that I've
recently joined the debian community. Its great. Very intelligent
and helpful. But what's with all the attitude people flash around
here. Ha
Pollywog wrote:
On Monday 06 November 2006 03:47, Kent West wrote:
ChadDavis wrote:
But what's with all the attitude people flash around here.
We're people; people are imperfect.
It's nothing the Debian developers can't fix ;)
... In time for all us users to file many many bug reports ag
On Monday 06 November 2006 03:47, Kent West wrote:
> ChadDavis wrote:
> > But what's with all the attitude people flash around here.
>
> We're people; people are imperfect.
It's nothing the Debian developers can't fix ;)
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On Sun, Nov 05, 2006 at 07:57:16PM -0700, ChadDavis wrote:
> I've recently started using this list. You might say that I've
> recently joined the debian community. Its great. Very intelligent
> and helpful. But what's with all the attitude people flash around
> here. Have the threads I read en
* ChadDavis ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> I've recently started using this list. You might say that I've
> recently joined the debian community. Its great. Very intelligent
> and helpful. But what's with all the attitude people flash around
> here. Have the threads I read end up in some petty b
ChadDavis wrote:
But what's with all the attitude people flash around here.
We're people; people are imperfect.
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ChadDavis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I've recently started using this list. You might say that I've
> recently joined the debian community. Its great. Very intelligent
> and helpful. But what's with all the attitude people flash around
> here. Have the thre
Welcome to Debian :/
Anytime I've asked similar questions I get told to 'install windows', or
something along those lines. It's easy trade-off for such a great
Distro. Plus there /are/ a lot of helpful Debian users out there.
ChadDavis wrote:
I've recently started using this list. You mi
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