Re: Debian Trixie: Nested Logins Always Failing

Regarding an SSH session (boundary condition SHLVL=1) `exec login [username]' does the job. I frequently used `login [username]' within older Debian operating system environments (up to Debian 12) in order to test complex initialization tasks on behalf different user personalities. Using `su -

Re: Debian Trixie: Nested Logins Always Failing

What is the use case for running login in a running session? Have you filed a bug report? -- John Hasler j...@sugarbit.com Elmwood, WI USA

Re: Debian Trixie: Nested Logins Always Failing

Thanks for the very, very, very helpful reply. A short check regarding the sources of the "login deb-package" shows that the old implementation from the "shadow-utils" source (https://github.com/shadow-maint/shadow) has been superseeded by the new implementation from the "util-linux" source (ht

Re: Debian 9

At Sun, 5 Oct 2025 12:21:03 -0400 Greg Wooledge wrote: > > On Sun, Oct 05, 2025 at 16:44:03 +0100, David wrote: > > I realise that Debian 9 is very old, but it's the version that should > > work with the application I'm trying to load. Newer versions don't > > work. > > > > The issue I'm getting

Re: debian 13 - no virtual machines

On Mon, 29 Sep 2025 13:59:59 -0400 Greg Wooledge wrote: > On Mon, Sep 29, 2025 at 19:50:10 +0200, Michael wrote: > > On 9/29/25 19:32, Greg Wooledge wrote: > > > On Mon, Sep 29, 2025 at 19:27:04 +0200, Michael wrote: > > > > 1. How can I achieve that bind is not started? If I kill the > > > >

Re: debian 13 - no virtual machines

On Mon, 29 Sep 2025 06:55:17 -0400 Greg Wooledge wrote: > You've got bind9 running. If you want dnsmasq to run as your local > DNS resolver, remove bind9. Or, if you want both (say, bind9 for the local network, dnsmasq for the virtual network), inhibit bind9 from using the virtual network. Edit

Re: Solved Re: debian 13 - no virtual machines

On Wednesday, 1 October 2025 04:11:46 -03 Michael wrote: > On 9/29/25 21:21, Charles Curley wrote: > > On Mon, 29 Sep 2025 19:27:04 +0200 > > > > Michael wrote: > >> 1. How can I achieve that bind is not started? If I kill the > >> process > >> "/usr/sbin/named -f -u bind" with "kill -9 1227",

Solved Re: debian 13 - no virtual machines

On 9/29/25 21:21, Charles Curley wrote: On Mon, 29 Sep 2025 19:27:04 +0200 Michael wrote: 1. How can I achieve that bind is not started? If I kill the process "/usr/sbin/named -f -u bind"   with  "kill -9 1227", it is immediately restarted with a different process ID. Use the standard systemc

Re: debian 13 - no virtual machines

On Mon, 29 Sep 2025 19:27:04 +0200 Michael wrote: > 1. How can I achieve that bind is not started? If I kill the process > "/usr/sbin/named -f -u bind"   with  "kill -9 1227", it is > immediately restarted with a different process ID. Use the standard systemctl commands to stop it, disable it,

Re: debian 13 - no virtual machines

On 9/29/25 19:32, Greg Wooledge wrote: On Mon, Sep 29, 2025 at 19:27:04 +0200, Michael wrote: 1. How can I achieve that bind is not started? If I kill the process "/usr/sbin/named -f -u bind"   with  "kill -9 1227", it is immediately restarted with a different process ID. Define your goal. Do

Re: Debian 13 - keine virtuellen Maschinen

On Sun, Sep 28, 2025 at 06:59:08PM +0200, Michael wrote: > Hallo zusammen, [...] Hallo, Michael diese Liste ist in englisch. Die meisten Leute werden Dich nicht verstehen, und die wenigen, die es tun, können Dir vielleicht nicht inhaltlich helfen. Also -- entweder englisch schreiben, oder an di

Re: Debian weather bug

On 9/27/25 8:47 AM, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: On Sat, Sep 27, 2025 at 03:40:19PM -, Greg wrote: On 2025-09-27, wrote: On Sat, Sep 27, 2025 at 01:56:43PM -, Greg wrote: On 2025-09-27, Thomas Schmitt wrote: 404 Not Found I've gotten a 404 when having network problems [...] Are y

Re: Debian weather bug

On Sat, Sep 27, 2025 at 01:56:43PM -, Greg wrote: > On 2025-09-27, Thomas Schmitt wrote: > > > > 404 Not Foundm > > I've gotten a 404 when having network problems [...] Are you sure? Cheers -- t signature.asc Description: PGP signature

Re: Debian weather bug

On Sat, Sep 27, 2025 at 03:40:19PM -, Greg wrote: > On 2025-09-27, wrote: > > > > On Sat, Sep 27, 2025 at 01:56:43PM -, Greg wrote: > >> On 2025-09-27, Thomas Schmitt wrote: > > >> > 404 Not Found > > >> I've gotten a 404 when having network problems [...] > > > > Are you sure? > >

Re: Debian weather bug

On 2025-09-27, wrote: > > On Sat, Sep 27, 2025 at 01:56:43PM -, Greg wrote: >> On 2025-09-27, Thomas Schmitt wrote: >> > 404 Not Found >> I've gotten a 404 when having network problems [...] > > Are you sure? No, as it's a response from the server. But maybe a local browser cache served

Re: Debian weather bug

On 2025-09-27, Thomas Schmitt wrote: > > 404 Not Foundm I've gotten a 404 when having network problems, so there can be a certain ambiguity. > 410 Gone That's clear as a bell.

Re: Debian weather bug

Hi, Greg Marks wrote: > >Oct 19 18:10:09 debian mateweather-app[3922]: Failed to get METAR data: 404 Not Found. > >Oct 19 18:10:09 debian mateweather-app[3922]: Failed to get IWIN forecast data: 404 Not Found https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_HTTP_status_codes says 404 Not Found

Re: Debian weather bug

> > > I have a bug report but am not sure which package it should be filed > > > against. The Weather Report application, version 1.24.1, is affected, > > > as is the weather reported by the Clock application, version 1.24.1, in > > > the MATE desktop environment. Neither reports the correct weat

Re: [deb...@lionunicorn.co.uk: Re: Debian 13 Trixie GUI desktop environments]

On 14/09/2025 15:02, Turritopsis Dohrnii Teo En Ming wrote: On Friday, September 5th, 2025 at 8:32 PM, Joe wrote: On Fri, 05 Sep 2025 11:56:53 + Turritopsis Dohrnii Teo En Ming teo.en.m...@protonmail.com wrote: Can I install all of the desktop environments and switch between them as a

Re: Debian 13 Trixie GUI desktop environments

GNOME appears to be the default desktop environment for many Linux distros. A lot of the reason for that is historical. A lot of distributions have another DE as the default Yep and it should really be KDE where extensions aren't needed. Gnome also just doesn't cut it for my workflow and a

Re: Debian 13 Trixie GUI desktop environments

On Sun, Sep 14, 2025 at 10:41:42AM -0500, Nate Bargmann wrote: > * On 2025 14 Sep 09:07 -0500, Turritopsis Dohrnii Teo En Ming wrote: > > GNOME appears to be the default desktop environment for many Linux distros. > > A lot of the reason for that is historical. A lot of distributions have > anoth

Re: Debian 13 Trixie GUI desktop environments

* On 2025 14 Sep 09:07 -0500, Turritopsis Dohrnii Teo En Ming wrote: > GNOME appears to be the default desktop environment for many Linux distros. A lot of the reason for that is historical. A lot of distributions have another DE as the default, i.e. that which is installed when the user doesn't

Re: Debian 13 Trixie GUI desktop environments

On Friday, September 5th, 2025 at 9:46 PM, Nate Bargmann wrote: > * On 2025 05 Sep 07:03 -0500, Turritopsis Dohrnii Teo En Ming wrote: > > > There are so many different desktop environments and so many choices. > > > Indeed, which is a good thing. Not everyone works or thinks the same. > > >

Re: [deb...@lionunicorn.co.uk: Re: Debian 13 Trixie GUI desktop environments]

t to my inbox > > > > > > > - Forwarded message from David Wright deb...@lionunicorn.co.uk - > > > > > > > > Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2025 22:39:43 -0500 > > > > From: David Wright > > > > Subject: Re: Debian 13 Trixie GUI desktop environments > &

Re: [deb...@lionunicorn.co.uk: Re: Debian 13 Trixie GUI desktop environments]

On Friday, September 5th, 2025 at 8:32 PM, Joe wrote: > On Fri, 05 Sep 2025 11:56:53 + > Turritopsis Dohrnii Teo En Ming teo.en.m...@protonmail.com wrote: > > > > > Can I install all of the desktop environments and switch between them > > as and when I like? > > > I believe so, you can c

Re: Debian 13 Trixie GUI desktop environments

On Friday, September 5th, 2025 at 10:17 PM, Jeffrey Walton wrote: > On Fri, Sep 5, 2025 at 10:00 AM Turritopsis Dohrnii Teo En Ming > wrote: > >> [...] >> >> There are so many different desktop environments and so many choices. >> >> Looks like I need to experiment with everyone of them. > > A

Re: [deb...@lionunicorn.co.uk: Re: Debian 13 Trixie GUI desktop environments]

On Friday, September 5th, 2025 at 8:25 PM, Joe wrote: > On Fri, 05 Sep 2025 11:37:56 + > Turritopsis Dohrnii Teo En Ming teo.en.m...@protonmail.com wrote: > > > Sent with Proton Mail secure email. > > > > On Wednesday, September 3rd, 2025 at 6:21 AM, Lee ler...@gmail.com > > wrote: > > > >

Re: [deb...@lionunicorn.co.uk: Re: Debian 13 Trixie GUI desktop environments]

On Sun, Sep 7, 2025 at 8:49 AM Timothy M Butterworth wrote: > > > > On Sat, Sep 6, 2025 at 1:59 PM Lee wrote: >> >> On Wed, Sep 3, 2025 at 12:50 AM Timothy M Butterworth wrote: >> > >><.. snip ..> >> >> I just want to be notified about any updates that are available. I >> >> don't want them

Re: Debian 13.0.0 Graphical Installer Glitches

On Sun, 7 Sep 2025 14:18:11 -0500 CHRIS M wrote: > I am just curious if this message made it through to the list or not? Please don't do this. It wastes a lot of peoples' time. Instead, check the list's archives. You can find that by examining the header "List-URL:" in any email from the list.

Re: Debian 13 Trixie GUI desktop environments

Hi, On Fri, Sep 05, 2025 at 11:16:09AM +, Turritopsis Dohrnii Teo En Ming wrote: > On Sunday, August 31st, 2025 at 2:00 AM, Andy Smith > wrote: > > On Sat, Aug 30, 2025 at 04:24:59PM +, Turritopsis Dohrnii Teo En Ming > > wrote: > > > You mean Debian doesn't inform you if your OS needs

Re: Debian 13 Trixie GUI desktop environments

On Friday, September 5th, 2025 at 7:22 PM, Andy Smith wrote: > Hi, > > On Fri, Sep 05, 2025 at 11:16:09AM +, Turritopsis Dohrnii Teo En Ming > wrote: > > > On Sunday, August 31st, 2025 at 2:00 AM, Andy Smith a...@strugglers.net > > wrote: > > > > > On Sat, Aug 30, 2025 at 04:24:59PM +00

Re: Debian 13 Trixie GUI desktop environments

* On 2025 05 Sep 07:03 -0500, Turritopsis Dohrnii Teo En Ming wrote: > There are so many different desktop environments and so many choices. Indeed, which is a good thing. Not everyone works or thinks the same. > Looks like I need to experiment with everyone of them. Maybe. Most are going to f

Re: Debian XTERM

On Sat, Sep 06, 2025 at 07:30:55AM +0200, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > On Fri, Sep 05, 2025 at 08:58:02PM -0700, John Conover wrote: > > > > Is Debian XTERN still available? > > I nearly mis-read that as "xterm". What is "XTERN"? > The subject line has XTERM. With `apt-file search xterm` I got

Re: [deb...@lionunicorn.co.uk: Re: Debian 13 Trixie GUI desktop environments]

gt; My posts are being dropped between my hosting's smarthost and debian-user. > > > > > > this one at least made it to my inbox > > > > > - Forwarded message from David Wright deb...@lionunicorn.co.uk - > > > > > > Date: Sun, 31 Au

Re: Debian 13 Trixie GUI desktop environments

On 2025-09-05 12:20, Turritopsis Dohrnii Teo En Ming wrote: On Sunday, August 31st, 2025 at 2:54 AM, Dan Ritter wrote: Turritopsis Dohrnii Teo En Ming wrote: > If I want XFCE desktop environment, I need to do a lot with the terminal? No. Almost everything about XFCE is configurable through

Re: [deb...@lionunicorn.co.uk: Re: Debian 13 Trixie GUI desktop environments]

On Sat, Sep 6, 2025 at 1:59 PM Lee wrote: > On Wed, Sep 3, 2025 at 12:50 AM Timothy M Butterworth wrote: > > ><.. snip ..> > >> I just want to be notified about any updates that are available. I > >> don't want them being applied until after I review them. > > > > > > KDE's Discover checks

Re: [deb...@lionunicorn.co.uk: Re: Debian 13 Trixie GUI desktop environments]

On Wed, Sep 3, 2025 at 12:50 AM Timothy M Butterworth wrote: > <.. snip ..> >> I just want to be notified about any updates that are available. I >> don't want them being applied until after I review them. > > > KDE's Discover checks for updates daily and provides a system notification > when

Re: Debian 13 Trixie GUI desktop environments

On Sunday, August 31st, 2025 at 2:00 AM, Andy Smith wrote: > Hi, > > On Sat, Aug 30, 2025 at 04:24:59PM +, Turritopsis Dohrnii Teo En Ming > wrote: > > > You mean Debian doesn't inform you if your OS needs an update? > > > It is dependent on the desktop chosen. GNOME by default downloads

Re: [deb...@lionunicorn.co.uk: Re: Debian 13 Trixie GUI desktop environments]

On Sat, 6 Sep 2025 13:59:07 -0400 Lee wrote: Hello Lee, >which looks interesting but how do I get it installed? It looks like >my only option is to enable snaps??? look for plasma-discover in your preferred installer. You can also (optionally) install back-ends that handle flatpak and snap p

Re: Debian XTERM

On 06.09.2025 06:20 Uhr John Conover wrote: > Is Debian XTERN still available? Debian ships xterm in its repository. I do not know about a plan to remove it. -- kind regards Marco Send spam to 1757132401mu...@stinkedores.dorfdsl.de

Re: Debian 13 Trixie GUI desktop environments

On Fri, 05 Sep 2025 21:33:47 +0100 "mick.crane" wrote: > On 2025-09-05 12:20, Turritopsis Dohrnii Teo En Ming wrote: > > On Sunday, August 31st, 2025 at 2:54 AM, Dan Ritter > > wrote: > > > >> Turritopsis Dohrnii Teo En Ming wrote: > >> > >> > If I want XFCE desktop environment, I need to

Re: Debian XTERM

On Fri, Sep 05, 2025 at 08:58:02PM -0700, John Conover wrote: > > Is Debian XTERN still available? I nearly mis-read that as "xterm". What is "XTERN"? Cheers -- t signature.asc Description: PGP signature

Re: [deb...@lionunicorn.co.uk: Re: Debian 13 Trixie GUI desktop environments]

On Fri, 05 Sep 2025 11:37:56 + Turritopsis Dohrnii Teo En Ming wrote: > Sent with Proton Mail secure email. > > On Wednesday, September 3rd, 2025 at 6:21 AM, Lee > wrote: > > > > > I just want to be notified about any updates that are available. I > > don't want them being applied until af

Re: Debian 13 Trixie GUI desktop environments

On Sunday, August 31st, 2025 at 12:58 AM, Charles Curley wrote: > On Sat, 30 Aug 2025 16:24:59 + > Turritopsis Dohrnii Teo En Ming teo.en.m...@protonmail.com wrote: > > > On Saturday, August 30th, 2025 at 9:40 PM, Lee ler...@gmail.com > > wrote: > > > > Also required is something that tell

Re: Debian 13 Trixie GUI desktop environments

On Sunday, August 31st, 2025 at 2:54 AM, Dan Ritter wrote: > Turritopsis Dohrnii Teo En Ming wrote: > > > If I want XFCE desktop environment, I need to do a lot with the terminal? > > > No. Almost everything about XFCE is configurable through its > control panel / settings manager. > > -dsr-

Re: Debian 13 Trixie GUI desktop environments

On Fri, Sep 5, 2025 at 10:00 AM Turritopsis Dohrnii Teo En Ming < teo.en.m...@protonmail.com> wrote: > [...] > > There are so many different desktop environments and so many choices. > > Looks like I need to experiment with everyone of them. > Also see

Re: [deb...@lionunicorn.co.uk: Re: Debian 13 Trixie GUI desktop environments]

On Fri, 05 Sep 2025 11:56:53 + Turritopsis Dohrnii Teo En Ming wrote: > Can I install all of the desktop environments and switch between them > as and when I like? > I believe so, you can certainly install a few. Gnome and KDE both take up a lot of disc space, but that's not really a probl

Re: [deb...@lionunicorn.co.uk: Re: Debian 13 Trixie GUI desktop environments]

Turritopsis Dohrnii Teo En Ming wrote: > > Can I install all of the desktop environments and switch between them as and > when I like? Yes.

Re: [deb...@lionunicorn.co.uk: Re: Debian 13 Trixie GUI desktop environments]

>> >> this one at least made it to my inbox >> >>> - Forwarded message from David Wright - >>> >>> Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2025 22:39:43 -0500 >>> From: David Wright >>> Subject: Re: Debian 13 Trixie GUI desktop environments &g

Re: [deb...@lionunicorn.co.uk: Re: Debian 13 Trixie GUI desktop environments]

least made it to my inbox > > > - Forwarded message from David Wright deb...@lionunicorn.co.uk - > > > > Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2025 22:39:43 -0500 > > From: David Wright > > Subject: Re: Debian 13 Trixie GUI desktop environments > > Reply-To: debian-user@lists.debi

Re: Debian 13 Trixie GUI desktop environments

On Sunday, August 31st, 2025 at 1:50 AM, Robert Heller wrote: > At Sat, 30 Aug 2025 10:57:38 -0600 Charles Curley > charlescur...@charlescurley.com wrote: > > > On Sat, 30 Aug 2025 16:24:59 + > > Turritopsis Dohrnii Teo En Ming teo.en.m...@protonmail.com wrote: > > > > > On Saturday, Augu

Re: Debian 13 Trixie GUI desktop environments

On Monday, September 1st, 2025 at 5:09 AM, Lee wrote: > On Sat, Aug 30, 2025 at 3:15 PM Andy Smith wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > On Sat, Aug 30, 2025 at 04:24:59PM +, Turritopsis Dohrnii Teo En Ming > > wrote: > > > > > You mean Debian doesn't inform you if your OS needs an update? > > > > It

Re: Debian 13: Mini Display Port not accessible any more (worked flawlessly with Debian 12)

Max Nikulin composed on 2025-09-02 09:31 (UTC+0700): > Felix Miata wrote: >> Unfortunately, besides getting a newer laptop, I'm out of other ideas > Felix, I am not familiar with inxi, so the following may be wrong or > irrelevant. It seems, in output you posted, it is purely nouveau, while P

Re: [deb...@lionunicorn.co.uk: Re: Debian 13 Trixie GUI desktop environments]

rom David Wright > - > > > > Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2025 22:39:43 -0500 > > From: David Wright > > Subject: Re: Debian 13 Trixie GUI desktop environments > > Reply-To: debian-user@lists.debian.org > > > > On Sun 31 Aug 2025 at 17:08:47 (-0400), Lee wrote: &

Re: Debian 13: Mini Display Port not accessible any more (worked flawlessly with Debian 12)

On 02/09/2025 11:44, Felix Miata wrote: Max Nikulin composed on 2025-09-02 09:31 (UTC+0700): where are some traces of proprietary nvidia drivers in Johannes's message ("kernel non-free: series: 340.xx"). That language is simply stating which proprietary (non-free) kernel driver is/was applica

Re: [deb...@lionunicorn.co.uk: Re: Debian 13 Trixie GUI desktop environments]

On Mon, Sep 1, 2025 at 7:41 PM David Wright wrote: > > My posts are being dropped between my hosting's smarthost and debian-user. this one at least made it to my inbox > - Forwarded message from David Wright - > > Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2025 22:39:43 -0500 > From: Dav

Re: Debian 13: Mini Display Port not accessible any more (worked flawlessly with Debian 12)

I made a netinstall via usb on the MacBook from scratch with new paritioning/lvm and the automagically selected nouveau-driver. I didn't install anything outside the official apt-repositories except the wl-driver for wifi. As stated, NVIDIA proprietary drivers do not exist for the C79 and rather n

Re: Debian 13: Mini Display Port not accessible any more (worked flawlessly with Debian 12)

On 02/09/2025 04:44, Felix Miata wrote: Unfortunately, besides getting a newer laptop, I'm out of other ideas Felix, I am not familiar with inxi, so the following may be wrong or irrelevant. It seems, in output you posted, it is purely nouveau, while where are some traces of proprietary nvidi

Re: Debian 13: Mini Display Port not accessible any more (worked flawlessly with Debian 12)

Johannes Heilmann composed on 2025-09-01 21:46 (UTC+0200): > I hope I answered all your questions. > ls -gGh /sys/class/drm/card* > lrwxrwxrwx 1 0 Sep  1 19:01 /sys/class/drm/card0 -> > ../../devices/pci:00/:00:10.0/:02:00.0/drm/card0 > lrwxrwxrwx 1 0 Sep  1 19:01 /sys/class/drm/card

Re: Debian 13 Trixie GUI desktop environments

On Sat, Aug 30, 2025 at 3:15 PM Andy Smith wrote: > > Hi, > > On Sat, Aug 30, 2025 at 04:24:59PM +, Turritopsis Dohrnii Teo En Ming > wrote: > > You mean Debian doesn't inform you if your OS needs an update? > > It is dependent on the desktop chosen. GNOME by default downloads > updates, and n

Re: Debian 13 Trixie GUI desktop environments

Turritopsis Dohrnii Teo En Ming wrote: > > If I want XFCE desktop environment, I need to do a lot with the terminal? No. Almost everything about XFCE is configurable through its control panel / settings manager. -dsr-

Re: Debian 13 Trixie GUI desktop environments

Hi, On Sat, Aug 30, 2025 at 04:24:59PM +, Turritopsis Dohrnii Teo En Ming wrote: > You mean Debian doesn't inform you if your OS needs an update? It is dependent on the desktop chosen. GNOME by default downloads updates, and notifies you of them with a desktop notification. The package "apti

Re: Debian 13 Trixie GUI desktop environments

At Sat, 30 Aug 2025 10:57:38 -0600 Charles Curley wrote: > > On Sat, 30 Aug 2025 16:24:59 + > Turritopsis Dohrnii Teo En Ming wrote: > > > On Saturday, August 30th, 2025 at 9:40 PM, Lee > > wrote: > > > > Also required is something that tells you there are software updates > > > you should

Re: Debian 13 Trixie GUI desktop environments

On Sat, 30 Aug 2025 16:24:59 + Turritopsis Dohrnii Teo En Ming wrote: > On Saturday, August 30th, 2025 at 9:40 PM, Lee > wrote: > > Also required is something that tells you there are software updates > > you should install. Maybe there's already a package that does that - > > I don't know.

Re: Debian 13 Trixie GUI desktop environments

On Saturday, August 30th, 2025 at 9:40 PM, Lee wrote: > On Thu, Aug 28, 2025 at 3:30 PM Turritopsis Dohrnii Teo En Ming wrote: > > > Subject: Debian 13 Trixie GUI desktop environments > > > > Good day from Singapore, > > > > Debian 13 Trixie release notes: > > > > [QUOTE] > > > > The user ca

Re: Debian 13 Trixie GUI desktop environments

On Saturday, August 30th, 2025 at 3:02 PM, CL wrote: > Am 29.08.25 um 12:52 schrieb Turritopsis Dohrnii Teo En Ming: > > > On Friday, August 29th, 2025 at 1:52 PM, CL cl.debian.mail...@t-online.de > > wrote: > > > > > Hello, > > > > > > hope you had a good festival at your national Day. >

Re: Debian 13 Trixie GUI desktop environments

On Friday, August 29th, 2025 at 10:23 PM, Jeffrey Walton wrote: > On Fri, Aug 29, 2025 at 6:48 AM wrote: > >> Jeffrey Walton wrote: >>> On Thu, Aug 28, 2025 at 8:10 PM Robert Heller >>> wrote: >>> [...] >>> > I don't know which of the above mentioned desktop environments has >>> > the "closes

Re: Debian 13 Trixie GUI desktop environments

On Thu, Aug 28, 2025 at 3:30 PM Turritopsis Dohrnii Teo En Ming wrote: > > Subject: Debian 13 Trixie GUI desktop environments > > Good day from Singapore, > > Debian 13 Trixie release notes: > > [QUOTE] > > The user can choose among different desktop environments to try: GNOME, KDE > Plasma, Cinna

Re: Debian 13 Trixie GUI desktop environments

Am 29.08.25 um 12:52 schrieb Turritopsis Dohrnii Teo En Ming: On Friday, August 29th, 2025 at 1:52 PM, CL wrote: Hello, hope you had a good festival at your national Day. Regarding your question for the closest resemblance. In my opinion and according my comparison between my privat compu

Re: Debian 13 Trixie GUI desktop environments

On Fri, Aug 29, 2025 at 6:48 AM wrote: > Jeffrey Walton wrote: > > On Thu, Aug 28, 2025 at 8:10 PM Robert Heller > > wrote: > > [...] > > > I don't know which of the above mentioned desktop environments has > > > the "closest resemblance to Windows 10 or 11". The common "wisdom" > > > of the

Re: Debian 13 Trixie GUI desktop environments

On Friday, August 29th, 2025 at 6:28 AM, Timothy M Butterworth wrote: > On Thu, Aug 28, 2025 at 5:50 PM Turritopsis Dohrnii Teo En Ming > wrote: > >> Subject: Debian 13 Trixie GUI desktop environments >> >> Good day from Singapore, >> >> Debian 13 Trixie release notes: >> >> [QUOTE] >> >> The

Re: Debian 13 Trixie GUI desktop environments

On Friday, August 29th, 2025 at 3:05 PM, Jonathan Dowland wrote: > On Thu Aug 28, 2025 at 7:12 PM BST, Turritopsis Dohrnii Teo En Ming wrote: > > > May I know which desktop environment is the closest resemblance to > > Windows 10 or 11? > > > Give KDE a try. OK. Regards, Mr. Turritopsis Do

Re: Debian 13 Trixie GUI desktop environments

On Friday, August 29th, 2025 at 1:52 PM, CL wrote: > Hello, > > hope you had a good festival at your national Day. > > Regarding your question for the closest resemblance. > In my opinion and according my comparison between my privat computer > (Debian Trixie) and my business computer (I'm for

Re: Debian 13 Trixie GUI desktop environments

Jeffrey Walton wrote: > On Thu, Aug 28, 2025 at 8:10 PM Robert Heller > wrote: > > > At Thu, 28 Aug 2025 18:12:06 + Turritopsis Dohrnii Teo En Ming > > < teo.en.m...@protonmail.com> wrote: > > > > > Subject: Debian 13 Trixie GUI desktop environments > > > > > > Good day from Singapore, >

Re: Debian 13 Trixie GUI desktop environments

On Friday, August 29th, 2025 at 9:41 AM, Robert Heller wrote: > At Thu, 28 Aug 2025 21:11:26 -0400 noloa...@gmail.com wrote: > > > On Thu, Aug 28, 2025 at 8:10PM Robert Heller hel...@deepsoft.com wrote: > > > > > At Thu, 28 Aug 2025 18:12:06 + Turritopsis Dohrnii Teo En Ming < > > > teo.en

Re: Debian 13 Trixie GUI desktop environments

On Friday, August 29th, 2025 at 9:12 AM, Jeffrey Walton wrote: > On Thu, Aug 28, 2025 at 8:10 PM Robert Heller wrote: > >> At Thu, 28 Aug 2025 18:12:06 + Turritopsis Dohrnii Teo En Ming >> wrote: >> >>> Subject: Debian 13 Trixie GUI desktop environments >>> >>> Good day from Singapore, >>

Re: Debian 13 Trixie GUI desktop environments

On Friday, August 29th, 2025 at 4:33 AM, Robert Heller wrote: > At Thu, 28 Aug 2025 18:12:06 + Turritopsis Dohrnii Teo En Ming > teo.en.m...@protonmail.com wrote: > > > Subject: Debian 13 Trixie GUI desktop environments > > > > Good day from Singapore, > > > > Debian 13 Trixie release no

Re: Debian 13 Trixie GUI desktop environments

On Thu Aug 28, 2025 at 7:12 PM BST, Turritopsis Dohrnii Teo En Ming wrote: May I know which desktop environment is the closest resemblance to Windows 10 or 11? Give KDE a try. -- Please do not CC me for listmail. Jonathan Dowland j...@debian.org https://jmtd.net

Re: Debian 13 Trixie GUI desktop environments

Hello, hope you had a good festival at your national Day. Regarding your question for the closest resemblance. In my opinion and according my comparison between my privat computer (Debian Trixie) and my business computer (I'm forced to use Windows 11 here) the closest from point of view of app

Re: Debian 13: Mini Display Port not accessible any more (worked flawlessly with Debian 12)

Johannes Heilmann composed on 2025-08-28 21:34 (UTC+0200): > $inxi -GSaz > System: >   Kernel: 6.12.41+deb13-amd64 arch: x86_64 bits: 64 compiler: gcc v: 14.2.0 >     clocksource: hpet avail: acpi_pm >     parameters: BOOT_IMAGE=/vmlinuz-6.12.41+deb13-amd64 >     root=/dev/mapper/patrona--vg-r

Re: Debian 13 Trixie GUI desktop environments

At Thu, 28 Aug 2025 21:11:26 -0400 noloa...@gmail.com wrote: > > On Thu, Aug 28, 2025 at 8:10 PM Robert Heller > wrote: > > > At Thu, 28 Aug 2025 18:12:06 + Turritopsis Dohrnii Teo En Ming < > > teo.en.m...@protonmail.com> wrote: > > > > > Subject: Debian 13 Trixie GUI desktop environme

Re: Debian 13 Trixie GUI desktop environments

On Thu, Aug 28, 2025 at 8:10 PM Robert Heller wrote: > At Thu, 28 Aug 2025 18:12:06 + Turritopsis Dohrnii Teo En Ming < > teo.en.m...@protonmail.com> wrote: > > > Subject: Debian 13 Trixie GUI desktop environments > > > > Good day from Singapore, > > > > Debian 13 Trixie release notes: > > >

Re: Debian 13 Trixie GUI desktop environments

At Thu, 28 Aug 2025 18:12:06 + Turritopsis Dohrnii Teo En Ming wrote: > > Subject: Debian 13 Trixie GUI desktop environments > > Good day from Singapore, > > Debian 13 Trixie release notes: > > [QUOTE] > > The user can choose among different desktop environments to try: GNOME, KDE > Plasma,

Re: Debian 13: Mini Display Port not accessible any more (worked flawlessly with Debian 12)

This is the output: $inxi -GSaz System:   Kernel: 6.12.41+deb13-amd64 arch: x86_64 bits: 64 compiler: gcc v: 14.2.0     clocksource: hpet avail: acpi_pm     parameters: BOOT_IMAGE=/vmlinuz-6.12.41+deb13-amd64     root=/dev/mapper/patrona--vg-root ro quiet   Desktop: Xfce v: 4.20.1 tk: Gtk v: 3.2

Re: Debian 13: Mini Display Port not accessible any more (worked flawlessly with Debian 12)

Johannes Heilmann composed on 2025-08-28 21:06 (UTC+0200): > I switched from Debian 12 to Debian 13 on a metal-body Macbook Model 5,1 > (GB Ram, 256 GB SSD) last week. The upgrade worked out of the box vial > Netinstall with the usual tuning (Broadcom wl-driver). > However, I cannot access an e

Re: Debian 13, tmpfs and /tmp, /var/tmp

fred.kite@mailo.com wrote: > [-- text/plain, encoding quoted-printable, charset: utf-8, 53 lines --] > > Indeed, /tmp is already on tmpfs. Isn't /var/tmp supposed to be as well now? > Surely /var/tmp is supposed to survive power cycle or reboot so has to be on a 'real' disk drive of some sort

Re: Debian 13, tmpfs and /tmp, /var/tmp

On Tue, Aug 19, 2025 at 10:43 AM Nicolas George wrote: > fred.kite@mailo.com (HE12025-08-19): > > Isn't /var/tmp supposed to be as well now? > > No, the contents of /var/tmp is supposed to survive a reboot. > ++. The citation is Filesystem Hierarchy Standard, Section 5.15. /var/tmp : Tempora

Re: Debian 13, tmpfs and /tmp, /var/tmp

On Tue, Aug 19, 2025 at 16:20:39 +0200, fred.kite@mailo.com wrote: > Indeed, /tmp is already on tmpfs. Isn't /var/tmp supposed to be as well now? Nope. It has never been special in that way. > Is this tutorial still accurate? > > I'd say it

Re: Debian 13, tmpfs and /tmp, /var/tmp

fred.kite@mailo.com (HE12025-08-19): > Isn't /var/tmp supposed to be as well now? No, the contents of /var/tmp is supposed to survive a reboot. > Le 19 août 2025 15:24:53 GMT+02:00, Thomas Southerland > a écrit : Top-posting is forbidden by the etiquette of this list, please remember it.

Re: Debian 13, tmpfs and /tmp, /var/tmp

No, don't use tmpfs for /var/tmp Per FHS /var/tmp is non-volatile, and is not to be emptied upon reboot - contents there is to persist across reboots. And Debian, per policy, is FHS compliant. So, if you do otherwise for /var/tmp, you're likely to cause issues. https://refspecs.linuxfoundation.org

Re: Debian 13, tmpfs and /tmp, /var/tmp

Hi, On Tue, Aug 19, 2025 at 04:20:39PM +0200, fred.kite@mailo.com wrote: > Indeed, /tmp is already on tmpfs. Isn't /var/tmp supposed to be as well now? No, and that would violate user expectation since while /var/tmp is expected to be temporary, it is also expected to be persistent across a r

Re: Debian 13, tmpfs and /tmp, /var/tmp

On 8/19/25 10:20 AM, fred.kite@mailo.com wrote: Indeed, /tmp is already on tmpfs. Isn't /var/tmp supposed to be as well now? Is this tutorial still accurate? Thank you for your help! Fred Kite Le 19 août 2025 15:24:53 GMT+02:00, Thomas

Re: Debian 13, tmpfs and /tmp, /var/tmp

Hi, On Tue, Aug 19, 2025 at 12:33:17PM +0200, fred.kite@mailo.com wrote: > Could you send me the new tmpfs lines in /etc/fstab? I don't want to > improvise and mess up my system... For a bunch of releases now Debian has not had an explicit entry for /tmp in fstab and as far as I am aware Deb

Re: Debian 13, tmpfs and /tmp, /var/tmp

Indeed, /tmp is already on tmpfs. Isn't /var/tmp supposed to be as well now? Is this tutorial still accurate? Thank you for your help! Fred Kite Le 19 août 2025 15:24:53 GMT+02:00, Thomas Southerland a écrit : > >On 8/19/25 6:33 AM, fred.kite

Re: Debian 13, tmpfs and /tmp, /var/tmp

On 8/19/25 6:33 AM, fred.kite@mailo.com wrote: Hello everyone, I have recently installed Debian 13 KDE Plasma, but due to the advanced installation needed to set up @ and @home sub-volumes in a btrfs partition, my /etc/fstab doesn't include the new tmpfs lines concerning /tmp and /var/t

Re: Debian Trixie - GDM - Banner Message

Hello, this upstream (Gnome) doc seems outdated (Gnome 3.X series). I have only read some lines in one of the files in /usr/share/doc/gdm3 and it seems more up-to-date and mentions changes in the setup

Re: Debian bug report questions...

On Thu, Aug 14, 2025 at 07:13:51AM -0400, Robert Heller wrote: > > At Thu, 14 Aug 2025 06:27:27 +0200 wrote: > > > > > On Wed, Aug 13, 2025 at 08:41:33PM -0400, Robert Heller wrote: > > > There are a couple of Debian bug reports, one over a year old with no > > > progress. I am wondering: what

Re: Debian bug report questions...

On Thu, Aug 14, 2025 at 07:13:51 -0400, Robert Heller wrote: > I know all of that. It is just that #1068722 has been "lingering" since Tue, > 9 Apr 2024 18:48:02 UTC with nothing being done about it. 17 months with not > even a comment from a maintainer... It's extremely common for Debian bugs t

Re: Debian bug report questions...

At Thu, 14 Aug 2025 06:27:27 +0200 wrote: > > On Wed, Aug 13, 2025 at 08:41:33PM -0400, Robert Heller wrote: > > There are a couple of Debian bug reports, one over a year old with no > > progress. I am wondering: what can I do to help get these bugs fixed? > > > > Report numbers: #1068722 and

Re: Debian bug report questions...

On Wed, Aug 13, 2025 at 08:41:33PM -0400, Robert Heller wrote: > There are a couple of Debian bug reports, one over a year old with no > progress. I am wondering: what can I do to help get these bugs fixed? > > Report numbers: #1068722 and #00. Bug interaction happens in Debian via mail: eve

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