Re: XFCE without GNOME/KDE parts (Debian Wheezy - HP Pavilion dm1)

2013-10-25 Thread berenger . morel
Le 25.10.2013 15:39, Chris Bannister a écrit : On Wed, Oct 23, 2013 at 07:50:40PM +0200, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote: I really take a lot of care when I install a new software, and avoid bloated ones when it is possible. Excepted for the web browser, I am quite successful in that hero

Re: XFCE without GNOME/KDE parts (Debian Wheezy - HP Pavilion dm1)

2013-10-25 Thread Chris Bannister
On Wed, Oct 23, 2013 at 07:50:40PM +0200, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote: > > I really take a lot of care when I install a new software, and avoid > bloated ones when it is possible. Excepted for the web browser, I am > quite successful in that heroic quest. But web browsers still beat > me,

Re: XFCE without GNOME/KDE parts (Debian Wheezy - HP Pavilion dm1)

2013-10-23 Thread recoverym4n
On Wed, 23 Oct 2013 19:50:40 +0200 berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote: > I simply agree with everything you said here, but unfortunately, opera > depends on gstreamer0.10-plugins-good, which in turn... If you really don't need these libraries, there's a way. Check opera binary with ldd. If you

Re: XFCE without GNOME/KDE parts (Debian Wheezy - HP Pavilion dm1)

2013-10-23 Thread berenger . morel
Le 23.10.2013 19:33, recovery...@gmail.com a écrit : Hi. On Wed, 23 Oct 2013 11:15:34 +0200 berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote: Don't you have gstreamer installer? Only that thing as a recommended dependency to webkit-gtk: $ dpkg -l gstream* | grep ii ii gstreamer0.10-plugins-base:amd64

Re: XFCE without GNOME/KDE parts (Debian Wheezy - HP Pavilion dm1)

2013-10-23 Thread recoverym4n
On Wed, 23 Oct 2013 09:45:07 +0200 "Ralf Mardorf" wrote: > What will you strace, if you're missing the Trash can icon? ;) For that task I'd use the source of thunar, gdb and ltrace. Nothing reasonable can be gained for tracing syscalls in this case. > Thunar doesn't need them, but other softwa

Re: XFCE without GNOME/KDE parts (Debian Wheezy - HP Pavilion dm1)

2013-10-23 Thread recoverym4n
Hi. On Wed, 23 Oct 2013 11:15:34 +0200 berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote: > Don't you have gstreamer installer? Only that thing as a recommended dependency to webkit-gtk: $ dpkg -l gstream* | grep ii ii gstreamer0.10-plugins-base:amd64 Not that I need gstreamer. Once upon a time some kind

Re: XFCE without GNOME/KDE parts (Debian Wheezy - HP Pavilion dm1)

2013-10-23 Thread berenger . morel
Le 23.10.2013 08:21, recovery...@gmail.com a écrit : Impossible for my usage, fortunately I anyway mount from a terminal. I don't know if the OP could live without G and Dconf and gtk3. I didn't install that stuff simply for the sake of an clean experiment. I'm pretty sure that thunar doesn'

Re: XFCE without GNOME/KDE parts (Debian Wheezy - HP Pavilion dm1)

2013-10-23 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Wed, 23 Oct 2013 08:21:16 +0200, wrote: On Wed, 23 Oct 2013 02:18:10 +0200 Ralf Mardorf wrote: That makes me wonder, perhaps this works because your install is that clean. There may be other differences. Versions, build options, etc. And there's always ltrace and strace to make sure tha

Re: XFCE without GNOME/KDE parts (Debian Wheezy - HP Pavilion dm1)

2013-10-22 Thread recoverym4n
On Wed, 23 Oct 2013 02:18:10 +0200 Ralf Mardorf wrote: > That makes me wonder, perhaps this works because your install is that > clean. There may be other differences. Versions, build options, etc. And there's always ltrace and strace to make sure that the software behaves exactly the way you w

Re: XFCE without GNOME/KDE parts (Debian Wheezy - HP Pavilion dm1)

2013-10-22 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Wed, 2013-10-23 at 02:04 +0400, recovery...@gmail.com wrote: > On Tue, 22 Oct 2013 23:05:10 +0200 > Ralf Mardorf wrote: > > > On Wed, 2013-10-23 at 00:53 +0400, recovery...@gmail.com wrote: > > > I was merely curious if there's some 'killer GNOME app' that I'm > > > missing, and it looks like

Re: XFCE without GNOME/KDE parts (Debian Wheezy - HP Pavilion dm1)

2013-10-22 Thread recoverym4n
On Tue, 22 Oct 2013 23:05:10 +0200 Ralf Mardorf wrote: > On Wed, 2013-10-23 at 00:53 +0400, recovery...@gmail.com wrote: > > I was merely curious if there's some 'killer GNOME app' that I'm > > missing, and it looks like it's still not. > > That's true, with one exception, I disagree regarding t

Re: XFCE without GNOME/KDE parts (Debian Wheezy - HP Pavilion dm1)

2013-10-22 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Wed, 2013-10-23 at 00:53 +0400, recovery...@gmail.com wrote: > I was merely curious if there's some 'killer GNOME app' that I'm > missing, and it looks like it's still not. That's true, with one exception, I disagree regarding to gvfs. You perhaps can explain the OP how to use udev or anything

Re: XFCE without GNOME/KDE parts (Debian Wheezy - HP Pavilion dm1)

2013-10-22 Thread recoverym4n
On Tue, 22 Oct 2013 22:18:39 +0200 Ralf Mardorf wrote: > On Tue, 2013-10-22 at 19:34 +0400, recovery...@gmail.com wrote: > > Out of curiosity, what are names of these Gnome applications? > > Xfce does need gtk. XFCE needs GTK+2. Current GNOME needs GTK+3. GNOME2 depended on libgconf, and no XF

Re: XFCE without GNOME/KDE parts (Debian Wheezy - HP Pavilion dm1)

2013-10-22 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Tue, 2013-10-22 at 19:34 +0400, recovery...@gmail.com wrote: > Out of curiosity, what are names of these Gnome applications? Xfce does need gtk. Xfce doesn't provide some software, resp. only rudimentary software for some usages. Likely it's used with NetworManager, Gedit etc. and as mentioned

Re: XFCE without GNOME/KDE parts (Debian Wheezy - HP Pavilion dm1)

2013-10-22 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Tue, 2013-10-22 at 19:34 +0400, recovery...@gmail.com wrote: > Out of curiosity, what are names of these Gnome applications? Xfce does need gtk. Xfce doesn't provide some software, resp. only rudimentary software for some usages. Likely it's used with NetworManager, Gedit etc. and as mentioned

Re: XFCE without GNOME/KDE parts (Debian Wheezy - HP Pavilion dm1)

2013-10-22 Thread recoverym4n
Hi. On Tue, 22 Oct 2013 14:50:57 +0200 Ralf Mardorf wrote: > And I also don't use NetworkManager, my Ubuntus/Debian aren't different > to my Arch Linux, however, a default Xfce4 usually is used with lot's > Gnome applications. Out of curiosity, what are names of these Gnome applications? Reco