Hendrik Boom wrote:
> On Tue, Aug 30, 2005 at 06:41:27AM -0700, Steve Lamb wrote:
>>Bzt. And let's try this again. Paul... think carefully. Exactly what
>>would they be reading if they could read? Remember... NO MASS MEDIA. Any
> Let's see.. about 200 years ago? Printing press invented
On Tue, Aug 30, 2005 at 10:29:53PM -0700, David Koski wrote:
> On Tuesday 30 August 2005 07:39 pm, Vikki Roemer wrote:
>
>
>
> > ..go on shopping sprees every weekend or so. My cousins were dumped into
> > daycare as soon as they hit the minimum age (6 weeks-- I kid you not), and
> > are the mo
On Tue, Aug 30, 2005 at 06:41:27AM -0700, Steve Lamb wrote:
> Paul Johnson wrote:
> > No, it was in hopes that out of each state, there would be at least N
> > number
> > of people who knew how to read.
>
> Bzt. And let's try this again. Paul... think carefully. Exactly what
> would they
On Tuesday 30 August 2005 07:39 pm, Vikki Roemer wrote:
> ..go on shopping sprees every weekend or so. My cousins were dumped into
> daycare as soon as they hit the minimum age (6 weeks-- I kid you not), and
> are the most undisciplined kids I've ever seen. Preachers kids are almost
> always b
On Tue, Aug 30, 2005 at 04:53:44PM -0400, Roberto C. Sanchez wrote:
>
> working two lower paying jobs to make ends meet. However, the people
> who are in such situations are completely dwarfed by the number of
> people who have the husband and wife both working and unwilling to give
> up their lei
On Tue, Aug 30, 2005 at 04:26:38PM -0400, Brendan wrote:
> On Monday 29 August 2005 08:58 pm, Roberto C. Sanchez wrote:
> > not to." I think it is rather indicting. Parents do a piss poor job of
> > raising their children to be concerned citizens because they are too
> > busy working their two jo
On Monday 29 August 2005 08:58 pm, Roberto C. Sanchez wrote:
> not to." I think it is rather indicting. Parents do a piss poor job of
> raising their children to be concerned citizens because they are too
> busy working their two jobs so they can live in the nice neighborhood in
> a 5 bedroom hou
Paul Johnson wrote:
> No, it was in hopes that out of each state, there would be at least N number
> of people who knew how to read.
Bzt. And let's try this again. Paul... think carefully. Exactly what
would they be reading if they could read? Remember... NO MASS MEDIA. Any
publication
Steve Lamb wrote:
William Ballard wrote:
All right, kids, that's enough.
Don't make me take off my belt.
Yes, the threat of William with his pants down is sure to scare anyone.
Especially William.
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> On Saturday 27 August 2005 06:12 am, Jacob S wrote:
>
> > Yes, I trust my ability to use awful software (Windows) more than I
> > trust sys-admins I've never met to keep internet servers secure.
>
> I seriously question
On Monday 29 August 2005 05:58 pm, Roberto C. Sanchez wrote:
> Parents do a piss poor job of raising their children to be concerned
> citizens because they are too busy working their two jobs so they can live
> in the nice neighborhood in a 5 bedroom house and drive a new Escalade and
> new Mer
On Monday 29 August 2005 05:23 pm, Steve Lamb wrote:
> Katipo wrote:
> > David Jardine wrote:
> >> I still don't see the difference between "mob rule" (as used here) and
> >> democracy - and how electoral colleges produce the latter rather than
> >> the former.
> >
> > That's what I said.
>
> B
On Mon, Aug 29, 2005 at 05:23:24PM -0700, Steve Lamb wrote:
>
> Because the original intent of the Electoral College was for the people to
> elect representatives who would then look into and considered all candidates
> for the Presidency and cast votes in accordance with whom they felt was th
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> Don't make me take off my belt.
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Katipo wrote:
> David Jardine wrote:
>> I still don't see the difference between "mob rule" (as used here) and
>> democracy - and how electoral colleges produce the latter rather than
>> the former.
> That's what I said.
Because the original intent of the Electoral College was for the people
David Jardine wrote:
I still don't see the difference between "mob rule" (as used here)
and democracy - and how electoral colleges produce the latter rather
than the former.
That's what I said.
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On Mon, Aug 29, 2005 at 09:26:44PM +0800, Katipo wrote:
> David Jardine wrote:
>
> >Wouldn't that give you the same result as a direct popular election,
> >"mob rule" as you call it?
> >
I wrote the above sentence, only to realise after I'd sent it off
what nonsense it was. Apologies for the n
On Mon, Aug 29, 2005 at 12:15:09PM -0400, Hal Vaughan wrote:
>
> Thanks for proving my point by focusing on one point and getting stuck on it
> instead of looking at the overall picture.
>
> Now look at how much government grew, including how big the debt grow under
> Reagan, Bush, and Bush, co
On Monday 29 August 2005 02:26 am, Steve Lamb wrote:
> Hal Vaughan wrote:
> > On Monday 29 August 2005 12:40 am, Roberto C. Sanchez wrote:
> >>First off, it would be nice if more people held that view. Maybe then
> >>we would not be suffering at the hands of liberals and neo-cons that
> >>think th
> Are there any income tax computation programs available for Linux
> (Debian)?
The only one I've ever seen is Open Tax Solver:
http://opentaxsolver.sourceforge.net/. The last I looked it was in
alpha state, but that was a while ago.
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On Sunday 28 August 2005 11:26 pm, Steve Lamb wrote:
> Going to try to sell me
> the line she's not a liberal?
Given that the Democrats have been a slightly-right-of-center party as long as
I've been alive, yes. Hillary Clinton is a moderate-conservative.
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Katipo wrote:
> What I like about "mob rule", is that after the initial stages where a
> dumbed down, general population had made a few painful mistakes, and it
> had sunk in that they were big people now
Hate to tell it you but that isn't the case. What often happens is that
in mob rule peop
David Jardine wrote:
Wouldn't that give you the same result as a direct popular election,
"mob rule" as you call it?
What I like about "mob rule", is that after the initial stages where a
dumbed down, general population had made a few painful mistakes, and it
had sunk in that they were bi
On Sun, Aug 28, 2005 at 09:48:14PM -0400, Roberto C. Sanchez wrote:
> [...]
> The electoral college has a very specific purpose, to prevent the
> mob rule from swaying election results.
> [...]
> Personally, however, I like how Nebraska (and I forget the other
> state) does it. They split the s
Steve Lamb wrote:
If you want to see a liberal dictating larger government at tbe
expense of a person's personal life just look for the word "protect" and
you'll spot it. It's a bingo if "protect" is followed almost immediately by
"children".
Not always.
http://www.commercialalert.org/ne
Hendrik Boom wrote:
On Mon, Aug 29, 2005 at 11:14:24AM +0800, Katipo wrote:
Any government, that usurps the right of an individual to: make his/er
own decision on his own personal existence; to make the wrong decision;
and to suffer by it, is not a democratic institution, and fails in its
Hal Vaughan wrote:
> On Monday 29 August 2005 12:40 am, Roberto C. Sanchez wrote:
>>First off, it would be nice if more people held that view. Maybe then
>>we would not be suffering at the hands of liberals and neo-cons that
>>think that the only way to accomplish anything is with a bigger
>>gover
On Mon, Aug 29, 2005 at 11:14:24AM +0800, Katipo wrote:
> Roberto C. Sanchez wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > It would be better if all states did that, if only
> >because it provides a more accurate reflection of what the people want
> >without allowing sudden changes in the public mood to unduly affect
> >e
On Monday 29 August 2005 12:40 am, Roberto C. Sanchez wrote:
> On Mon, Aug 29, 2005 at 11:14:24AM +0800, Katipo wrote:
> > Roberto C. Sanchez wrote:
> > >
> > > It would be better if all states did that, if only
> > >because it provides a more accurate reflection of what the people want
> > >withou
On Mon, Aug 29, 2005 at 11:14:24AM +0800, Katipo wrote:
> Roberto C. Sanchez wrote:
>
> >
> > It would be better if all states did that, if only
> >because it provides a more accurate reflection of what the people want
> >without allowing sudden changes in the public mood to unduly affect
> >elect
Roberto C. Sanchez wrote:
It would be better if all states did that, if only
because it provides a more accurate reflection of what the people want
without allowing sudden changes in the public mood to unduly affect
election results.
Any government, that usurps the right of an individual t
On Sunday 28 August 2005 06:55 pm, Roberto C. Sanchez wrote:
> > Spammers are given a bulk discount. That's honest?
>
> You have a real distorted view of the world, huh? I guess that makes
> Costco dishonest since they give a discount for buying in bulk. What
> about software vendors that give
On Sunday 28 August 2005 06:48 pm, Roberto C. Sanchez wrote:
> On Sun, Aug 28, 2005 at 05:50:48PM -0700, Paul Johnson wrote:
> > On Sunday 28 August 2005 04:51 pm, John Hasler wrote:
> > > > 20% approval ratings from it's own citizens. That speaks fathoms
> > > > about how trustworthy the US gover
On Sun, Aug 28, 2005 at 05:53:16PM -0700, Paul Johnson wrote:
>
> I had the USPS tell me that a certified package was delivered, only to have
> the recipient tell me that it wasn't delivered, and the postmaster to tell me
> three weeks later that it was "lost." That's honest? That's reliable?
On Sun, Aug 28, 2005 at 05:50:48PM -0700, Paul Johnson wrote:
> On Sunday 28 August 2005 04:51 pm, John Hasler wrote:
>
> > > 20% approval ratings from it's own citizens. That speaks fathoms about
> > > how trustworthy the US government is right now.
> >
> > Those are the same citizens who electe
On Sunday 28 August 2005 04:56 pm, John Hasler wrote:
> Paul Johnson writes:
> > Not sure I would risk jailtime and fines by sending something through a
> > known insecure, extremely unreliable and dishonest "delivery service,"
> > either.
>
> I have found the USPS to be quite reliable and honest.
On Sunday 28 August 2005 04:51 pm, John Hasler wrote:
> > 20% approval ratings from it's own citizens. That speaks fathoms about
> > how trustworthy the US government is right now.
>
> Those are the same citizens who elected George Bush. Their opinions are
> irrelevant.
That's not how it works.
Paul Johnson writes:
> Not sure I would risk jailtime and fines by sending something through a
> known insecure, extremely unreliable and dishonest "delivery service,"
> either.
I have found the USPS to be quite reliable and honest. In any case, if
they were to lose my tax return the fact that th
Paul Johnson writes:
> This is the American government we're talking about, though.
Like most people, you are allowing your political opinions blind you to the
facts. Despite being a libertarian with anarchistic tendencies and viewing
taxes as a form of armed robbery, I recognize that the IRS is
On Saturday 27 August 2005 09:44 pm, Ron Johnson wrote:
> > Yes. But do you intend to file electronically? If so, then the server
> > housing (or at least initially processing) the transaction and
> > information is publically accessible over the net.
>
> No, I mail ours in.
Not sure I would ris
On Saturday 27 August 2005 06:12 am, Jacob S wrote:
> Yes, I trust my ability to use awful software (Windows) more than I
> trust sys-admins I've never met to keep internet servers secure.
I seriously question the intelligence of trusting software known to be
insecure and unfixable over paid pro
On Friday 26 August 2005 06:02 pm, John Hasler wrote:
> Colin Ingram writes:
> > I wouldn't doubt if the IRS keeps this information on servers that are
> > publicly accessible.
>
> I would. The IRS is considerably more careful about such things than many
> other organizations. They also have no r
On Sat, 2005-08-27 at 09:21 -0400, Roberto C. Sanchez wrote:
> On Sat, Aug 27, 2005 at 08:12:12AM -0500, Jacob S wrote:
> >
> > Nope. I'd rather use Windows than give out my (un)social (in)security
> > number over the internet. (If you keep the Windows box disconnected from
> > the internet you're
On Sat, 27 Aug 2005 09:21:41 -0400
"Roberto C. Sanchez" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Sat, Aug 27, 2005 at 08:12:12AM -0500, Jacob S wrote:
> >
> > Nope. I'd rather use Windows than give out my (un)social
> > (in)security number over the internet. (If you keep the Windows box
> > disconnected f
%% Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
rj> On Fri, 2005-08-26 at 10:10 -0400, Paul Smith wrote:
>> There are a large number of 100% web-based tax programs available.
>> These work very well on Linux.
rj> Am I the only person who has seen all of the sites that leave
rj> confidential
%% John Hasler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
jh> Roberto C. Sanchez writes:
>> But do you intend to file electronically? If so, then the server
>> housing (or at least initially processing) the transaction and
>> information is publically accessible over the net.
jh> But it won't be an
Roberto C. Sanchez writes:
> But do you intend to file electronically? If so, then the server housing
> (or at least initially processing) the transaction and information is
> publically accessible over the net.
But it won't be an IRS server (in the US). The IRS accepts filings only
over their o
On Sat, Aug 27, 2005 at 08:12:12AM -0500, Jacob S wrote:
>
> Nope. I'd rather use Windows than give out my (un)social (in)security
> number over the internet. (If you keep the Windows box disconnected from
> the internet you're reasonably safe from viruses and crackers.)
>
> Yes, I trust my abili
On Fri, 26 Aug 2005 17:15:22 -0500
Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Fri, 2005-08-26 at 10:10 -0400, Paul Smith wrote:
> > What exactly are you looking for?
> >
> > There are a large number of 100% web-based tax programs available.
> > These work very well on Linux.
>
> Am I the only p
Colin Ingram writes:
> I wouldn't doubt if the IRS keeps this information on servers that are
> publicly accessible.
I would. The IRS is considerably more careful about such things than many
other organizations. They also have no reason to put such information on
such servers.
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Ron Johnson wrote:
On Fri, 2005-08-26 at 10:10 -0400, Paul Smith wrote:
What exactly are you looking for?
There are a large number of 100% web-based tax programs available.
These work very well on Linux.
Am I the only person who has seen all of the sites that leave
confidential data
On Fri, 2005-08-26 at 10:10 -0400, Paul Smith wrote:
> What exactly are you looking for?
>
> There are a large number of 100% web-based tax programs available.
> These work very well on Linux.
Am I the only person who has seen all of the sites that leave
confidential data just lying around on pub
%% Sam Rosenfeld <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
sr> On Fri, 26 Aug 2005, Paul Smith wrote:
>> What exactly are you looking for?
sr> Something with the features of TurboTax or TaxAct or Kiplinger,
sr> etc. All the commercial ones do whatever I need, with only
sr> stylistic differences dis
On Fri, 26 Aug 2005, Paul Smith wrote:
> What exactly are you looking for?
Something with the features of TurboTax or TaxAct or Kiplinger, etc. All
the commercial ones do whatever I need, with only stylistic differences
distinguishing among them.
> There are a large number of 100% web-based t
On Friday 26 August 2005 18:27, Jeff Stevens wrote:
> On Fri, 2005-08-26 at 08:37 -0400, Sam Rosenfeld wrote:
> > Are there any income tax computation programs available for Linux
> > (Debian)? Since Google has not found any, I assume the answer is "no";
> > so
>
> I've been unable to find any. I
On Fri, 26 Aug 2005, Jeff Stevens wrote:
> On Fri, 2005-08-26 at 08:37 -0400, Sam Rosenfeld wrote:
> > Are there any income tax computation programs available for Linux
> > (Debian)? Since Google has not found any, I assume the answer is "no"; so
>
> I've been unable to find any. I've used Turbo
On Fri, 2005-08-26 at 08:37 -0400, Sam Rosenfeld wrote:
> Are there any income tax computation programs available for Linux
> (Debian)? Since Google has not found any, I assume the answer is "no"; so
I've been unable to find any. I've used TurboTax for years and it does
not install under wine.
What exactly are you looking for?
There are a large number of 100% web-based tax programs available.
These work very well on Linux.
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On Friday 26 August 2005 13:37, Sam Rosenfeld wrote:
> Are there any income tax computation programs available for Linux
> (Debian)? Since Google has not found any, I assume the answer is "no"; so
> what is the best solution (well-debugged, simple to use, relatively
> long-lived) one can find shor
Sam Rosenfeld wrote:
Are there any income tax computation programs available for Linux
(Debian)? Since Google has not found any, I assume the answer is "no"; so
what is the best solution (well-debugged, simple to use, relatively
long-lived) one can find short of installing a separate partition
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