Moin Willi!
Willi Dyck schrieb am Tuesday, den 22. October 2002:
> On Mon, Oct 21, 2002 at 09:07:48AM +0200, Eduard Bloch wrote:
> > - broken home/end keys in bash in xterm (even in Woody)
>
> Ever heard of ^a and ^e? Using bash?
>
> ~$ man bash for more info's
As stated before, that is not
Eduard Bloch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2002-10-21 09:07:48 +0200]:
> - broken home/end keys in bash in xterm (even in Woody)
I have been reading about these. But in what way are they broken?
They work fine for me in xterm in woody. What is broken about them?
[HOME] produces ESC-O-H and [END] produc
On Tue, 22 Oct 2002 17:08:12 -0400
"Justin F. Knotzke" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Tue, Oct 22, 2002 at 03:46:37PM -0400, Gregory Seidman wrote:
>
> > It's being done, frighteningly enough. See http://freshrpms.net/
>
>According to their examples, being done quite well at that. Surely
On Wed, Oct 23, 2002 at 01:57:19AM -0700, Paul Johnson wrote:
> On Tue, Oct 22, 2002 at 07:57:25PM -0400, Justin F. Knotzke wrote:
> >I used RedHat a few years ago for about a month and rpm gave me such
> > a headache that I bolted back to Debian.
>
> Heck, when I was a regular Red Hat user, w
On Tue, Oct 22, 2002 at 11:32:29PM -0500, Steve Langasek wrote:
> Oh, poppycock. Users don't report bugs to do us any *favors*, they
> report bugs out of self-interest. How many users go out of their way to
> look for bugs that don't actually impede their use of the software?
Not many, however,
On Tue, Oct 22, 2002 at 07:57:25PM -0400, Justin F. Knotzke wrote:
>I used RedHat a few years ago for about a month and rpm gave me such
> a headache that I bolted back to Debian.
Heck, when I was a regular Red Hat user, we ended up moving the
machines over to Debian because it was simply easi
On Tue, Oct 22, 2002 at 07:31:24PM -0700, Paul Johnson wrote:
> On Mon, Oct 21, 2002 at 05:35:45PM -0500, Steve Langasek wrote:
> > > I don't see why...it takes a few seconds to pass on a bug.
> >
> > If it only takes a few seconds, then why do you object to being asked to
> > do it yourself? ;)
On Tue, Oct 22, 2002 at 03:46:37PM -0400, Gregory Seidman wrote:
> } Unless some people start a Debian-like project using rpm packages, the
> } terraparsecs are going to stay. Imagine the consequences of a Redhat
> } 9.0 system you can rpm-get to version 12.0. RPM and an XGUI-based
> } installer is
On Wed, Oct 23, 2002 at 02:26:29AM +0800, csj wrote:
> Unless some people start a Debian-like project using rpm packages, the
> terraparsecs are going to stay. Imagine the consequences of a Redhat
> 9.0 system you can rpm-get to version 12.0. RPM and an XGUI-based
> installer is great for CD-instal
On Mon, Oct 21, 2002 at 08:59:11PM -0500, Steve Langasek wrote:
> I assumed it was a given that a maintainer asking a bug submitter to
> take such an active role would provide such guidance as needed.
That's my understanding, too. And only one or two maintainers that
I've run into seem to follow
On Mon, Oct 21, 2002 at 05:35:45PM -0500, Steve Langasek wrote:
> > I don't see why...it takes a few seconds to pass on a bug.
>
> If it only takes a few seconds, then why do you object to being asked to
> do it yourself? ;)
Because frequently the developer knows what's expected out of the
other
On Tue, Oct 22, 2002 at 03:33:52PM -0700, nate wrote:
> i haven't tried apt-get for rpm on redhat yet, but I tried it
> on suse 7.3 about 4-5 months ago and was dissapointed in it. tried
> to do some security updates, some completed fine then it errored
> out and refused to continue(or provide any
On Tue, Oct 22, 2002 at 05:08:12PM -0400, Justin F. Knotzke wrote:
> On Tue, Oct 22, 2002 at 03:46:37PM -0400, Gregory Seidman wrote:
>
> > It's being done, frighteningly enough. See http://freshrpms.net/
>
> According to their examples, being done quite well at that. Surely
> there must be lim
Justin F. Knotzke said:
> On Tue, Oct 22, 2002 at 03:46:37PM -0400, Gregory Seidman wrote:
>
>> It's being done, frighteningly enough. See http://freshrpms.net/
>
> According to their examples, being done quite well at that. Surely
> there must be limitations if RedHat aren't using it themselves?
On Tue, Oct 22, 2002 at 03:46:37PM -0400, Gregory Seidman wrote:
> It's being done, frighteningly enough. See http://freshrpms.net/
According to their examples, being done quite well at that. Surely
there must be limitations if RedHat aren't using it themselves?
J.
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Justin F. Knotzke
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Gregory Seidman ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote*:
>} Unless some people start a Debian-like project using rpm packages, the
>} terraparsecs are going to stay. Imagine the consequences of a Redhat
>} 9.0 system you can rpm-get to version 12.0. RPM and an XGUI-based
>} installer is great for CD-installed s
csj sez:
} On Mon, 21 Oct 2002 04:56:10 -0700
} Paul Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
}
} [snip: about a reviewer's unfavorable comments about Debian]
}
} > I have to seriously question whether or not he knows what he's
} > talking about about RPM. I've used RPM recently. It's still painful
On Mon, 21 Oct 2002 04:56:10 -0700
Paul Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
[snip: about a reviewer's unfavorable comments about Debian]
> I have to seriously question whether or not he knows what he's
> talking about about RPM. I've used RPM recently. It's still painful
> to use and terrapar
Hello Price,,
On Oct 22, "Price, Erik" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
| > You *have* tried xserver-3dlabs, right?
| Um is that a driver, or a product? The answer is no to both,
| though. That doesn't show up as one of the choices of driver when I
| run `dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86`. In
On Tue, 22 Oct 2002 12:41:34 -0400 "Price, Erik" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > You *have* tried xserver-3dlabs, right?
>
> Um is that a driver, or a product?
Neither it's a Debian package:
xserver-3dlabs - X server for 3DLabs GLINT and Permedia-based graphics
cards
--
Jamin W. Collins
On Tue, Oct 22, 2002 at 12:41:34PM -0400, Price, Erik wrote:
> Um is that a driver, or a product? The answer is no to both,
> though. That doesn't show up as one of the choices of driver when I
> run `dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86`. In fact just about all of the
> choices are 5-character
> >>
> >>I did a quick check on the xfree86 site. It doesn't look
> >>like the intense3d
> >>is supported.
> >>
> >>The one thing you can do to make sure that installing Linux
> >>is easy is to make
> >>sure all your hardware is fully supported.
> >
> >
> > Hear that! I'm going to try to fi
On Mon, Oct 21, 2002 at 09:07:48AM +0200, Eduard Bloch wrote:
> - broken home/end keys in bash in xterm (even in Woody)
Ever heard of ^a and ^e? Using bash?
~$ man bash for more info's
> - missing apt localisation extensions (who t.f. told we that we are going to
>release in the next f
Price, Erik wrote:
-Original Message-
From: David A. Rogers [mailto:darogers@;speakeasy.net]
Sent: Monday, October 21, 2002 11:47 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: Two Debian 3.0 reviews at Slashdot
I did a quick check on the xfree86 site. It doesn't look
like the intense
On Mon, Oct 21, 2002 at 11:27:34PM -0400, Mark L. Kahnt wrote:
> My understanding is that the original intention of the Debian BTS was to
> be about packaging bugs - it has evolved beyond that partly as it is
> handy to report any bugs, and for users that don't recognise the
> difference between di
On Mon, 21 Oct 2002 09:07:48 +0200 Eduard Bloch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> - broken home/end keys in bash in xterm (even in Woody)
Sounds like a possible reason to use RXVT... never noticed that it's
broken in xterm as I've been using RXVT since before I moved to Debian.
However, I did just t
> -Original Message-
> From: Andrew Perrin [mailto:clists@;perrin.socsci.unc.edu]
> Sent: Monday, October 21, 2002 10:40 AM
> To: Jamin W.Collins
> Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: Two Debian 3.0 reviews at Slashdot
>
>
> I agree entirely. And I also t
-Original Message-
> > From: Andrew Perrin [mailto:clists@;perrin.socsci.unc.edu]
> > Sent: Monday, October 21, 2002 10:40 AM
> > To: Jamin W.Collins
> > Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject: Re: Two Debian 3.0 reviews at Slashdot
> >
> >
> > I agree entir
Hi,
On Mon, Oct 21, 2002 at 01:23:26PM +0200, Josip Rodin wrote:
> On Mon, Oct 21, 2002 at 09:07:48AM +0200, Eduard Bloch wrote:
> > - broken home/end keys in bash in xterm (even in Woody)
>
> Say, is this the "application mode" thing? Cf. #133258.
I don't know, but if it isn't, adding this to
On Mon, 2002-10-21 at 18:15, Branden Robinson wrote:
> On Mon, Oct 21, 2002 at 01:21:00PM -0700, Paul Johnson wrote:
> > On Mon, Oct 21, 2002 at 02:45:44PM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote:
> > > Whining about Debian developers whining about upstream implies that you
> > > expect Debian developers to
> -Original Message-
> From: David A. Rogers [mailto:darogers@;speakeasy.net]
> Sent: Monday, October 21, 2002 11:47 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: RE: Two Debian 3.0 reviews at Slashdot
>
>
> I did a quick check on the xfree86 site. It doesn't lo
On Mon, Oct 21, 2002 at 09:30:01PM -0400, Matt Zimmerman wrote:
> On Mon, Oct 21, 2002 at 05:35:45PM -0500, Steve Langasek wrote:
> > On Mon, Oct 21, 2002 at 03:21:40PM -0700, Paul Johnson wrote:
> > > I don't see why...it takes a few seconds to pass on a bug.
> > If it only takes a few seconds,
On Mon, Oct 21, 2002 at 05:35:45PM -0500, Steve Langasek wrote:
> On Mon, Oct 21, 2002 at 03:21:40PM -0700, Paul Johnson wrote:
> > I don't see why...it takes a few seconds to pass on a bug.
>
> If it only takes a few seconds, then why do you object to being asked to
> do it yourself? ;)
The sub
On Mon, Oct 21, 2002 at 10:21:26PM +0200, Robert Wilhelm Land wrote:
> Michael Cardenas wrote:
> >Isn't it the downstream packager's job to take upstream and configure
> >it in a usable way for most users? It seems that if the patches
> >discussed earlier in this thread work, then whining about ups
On Mon, Oct 21, 2002 at 03:21:40PM -0700, Paul Johnson wrote:
> On Mon, Oct 21, 2002 at 05:04:43PM -0500, Steve Langasek wrote:
> > submitter to work with upstream directly, or the maintainer has to add
> > the bug to the bottom of his own long TODO list.
> I don't see why...it takes a few seconds
On Mon, Oct 21, 2002 at 05:04:43PM -0500, Steve Langasek wrote:
> submitter to work with upstream directly, or the maintainer has to add
> the bug to the bottom of his own long TODO list.
I don't see why...it takes a few seconds to pass on a bug.
> If a bug submitter comes to me with a well-forme
On Mon, Oct 21, 2002 at 01:21:00PM -0700, Paul Johnson wrote:
> On Mon, Oct 21, 2002 at 02:45:44PM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote:
> > Whining about Debian developers whining about upstream implies that you
> > expect Debian developers to fix every problem. For instance, I suppose
>
> My problem i
On Mon, Oct 21, 2002 at 01:21:00PM -0700, Paul Johnson wrote:
> On Mon, Oct 21, 2002 at 02:45:44PM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote:
> > Whining about Debian developers whining about upstream implies that you
> > expect Debian developers to fix every problem. For instance, I suppose
> My problem is
On Mon, 21 Oct 2002, Jamin W.Collins wrote:
> Without a doubt. Why not educate your friends about how their PCs work?
> A fundamental problem today is that people don't understand the "how" and
> "why". To attempt to protect the user from how a PC operates is IMHO to
> do much more harm than go
[I am not subscribed to -user.]
On Mon, Oct 21, 2002 at 09:07:48AM +0200, Eduard Bloch wrote:
> - broken home/end keys in bash in xterm (even in Woody)
You'll have to persuade the upstream bash/libreadline cabal that
actually supporting DEC VT100 and later terminal emulation is a
worthwhile thi
On Mon, Oct 21, 2002 at 12:51:33PM -0400, Joey Hess wrote:
> echo expert >~/.dselect.cfg
Holy schnikes, Batman! Why isn't this obviously documented?
> What confused me is that both reviews chose to go into dselect, even
> though the woody installer defaults to not running it if you choose to
> r
On Mon, Oct 21, 2002 at 12:15:16PM -0700, Michael Cardenas wrote:
> On Mon, Oct 21, 2002 at 12:49:34PM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote:
> > On Mon, Oct 21, 2002 at 09:07:48AM +0200, Eduard Bloch wrote:
> >
> > > - broken home/end keys in bash in xterm (even in Woody)
> >
> > You'll have to persuad
On Mon, Oct 21, 2002 at 02:45:44PM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote:
> On Mon, Oct 21, 2002 at 12:15:16PM -0700, Michael Cardenas wrote:
> > On Mon, Oct 21, 2002 at 12:49:34PM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote:
> > > On Mon, Oct 21, 2002 at 09:07:48AM +0200, Eduard Bloch wrote:
> > >
> > > > - broken ho
Paul Johnson wrote:
> On Mon, Oct 21, 2002 at 12:51:33PM -0400, Joey Hess wrote:
> > echo expert >~/.dselect.cfg
>
> Holy schnikes, Batman! Why isn't this obviously documented?
YM in the man page? Well, it is. You can also use dselect --expert of
course.
--
see shy jo
msg08171/pgp0.pgp
On 21 Oct 2002 13:26:46 +0800 Crispin Wellington <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> So I would look at the commercial distro's dependency hell and say "This
> is simple fundamental stuff, the kind of thing Debian had sorted out
> back in 97 when no one knew what Linux even was."
Absolutely. This and t
On Mon, Oct 21, 2002 at 12:49:34PM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote:
> [I am not subscribed to -user.]
>
> On Mon, Oct 21, 2002 at 09:07:48AM +0200, Eduard Bloch wrote:
>
> > - broken home/end keys in bash in xterm (even in Woody)
>
> You'll have to persuade the upstream bash/libreadline cabal tha
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