Re: PulseAudio (was Re: Sid Foibles)

2014-06-15 Thread Lisi Reisz
On Sunday 15 June 2014 19:52:27 B wrote: > On Sun, 15 Jun 2014 08:44:13 -0400 > > The Wanderer wrote: > > It was in your (random?) .sig > > Yep, it is renewed by a crontab. But none-the-less was posted by you. :-) Lisi -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with

Re: PulseAudio (was Re: Sid Foibles)

2014-06-15 Thread Bzzzz
On Sun, 15 Jun 2014 08:44:13 -0400 The Wanderer wrote: > It was in your (random?) .sig Yep, it is renewed by a crontab. -- :-) your own self. -- Larry Wall in <199709261754.kaa23...@wall.org> signature.asc Description: PGP signature

Re: PulseAudio (was Re: Sid Foibles)

2014-06-15 Thread Bret Busby
On 15/06/2014, The Wanderer wrote: > A government exists to serve its citizens, not to control them. Ah, if only this would be true. -- Bret Busby Armadale West Australia .. "So once you do know what the question actually is, you'll know what the answer means." - Deep Thought, C

Re: PulseAudio (was Re: Sid Foibles)

2014-06-15 Thread Doug
On 06/15/2014 08:06 AM, B wrote: On Sun, 15 Jun 2014 11:38:40 +0100 Lisi Reisz wrote: On Wednesday 11 June 2014 00:32:37 B wrote: azertyuiopqsdfghjklmwxcvbn WTF? I _never_ wrote that! Is that the French keyboard? Yeah: azertyuiop qsdfghjklm wxcvbn Who the heck is Sid Foibles,

Re: PulseAudio (was Re: Sid Foibles)

2014-06-15 Thread Lisi Reisz
On Sunday 15 June 2014 13:44:13 The Wanderer wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA512 > > On 06/15/2014 08:06 AM, B wrote: > > On Sun, 15 Jun 2014 11:38:40 +0100 > > > > Lisi Reisz wrote: > >> On Wednesday 11 June 2014 00:32:37 B wrote: > >> > azertyuiopqsdfghjklmwxcvbn >

Re: PulseAudio (was Re: Sid Foibles)

2014-06-15 Thread Curt
On 2014-06-15, Lisi Reisz wrote: > On Wednesday 11 June 2014 00:32:37 B wrote: >> azertyuiopqsdfghjklmwxcvbn > > Is that the French keyboard? > >From left to right and from top to bottom, it is. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscrib

Re: PulseAudio (was Re: Sid Foibles)

2014-06-15 Thread The Wanderer
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On 06/15/2014 08:06 AM, B wrote: > On Sun, 15 Jun 2014 11:38:40 +0100 > Lisi Reisz wrote: > >> On Wednesday 11 June 2014 00:32:37 B wrote: >> > azertyuiopqsdfghjklmwxcvbn > > WTF? I _never_ wrote that! It was in your (random?) .sig, from

Re: PulseAudio (was Re: Sid Foibles)

2014-06-15 Thread Bzzzz
On Sun, 15 Jun 2014 11:38:40 +0100 Lisi Reisz wrote: > On Wednesday 11 June 2014 00:32:37 B wrote: > > azertyuiopqsdfghjklmwxcvbn WTF? I _never_ wrote that! > Is that the French keyboard? Yeah: azertyuiop qsdfghjklm wxcvbn -- The joys of love made her human and the agonies of love destr

Re: PulseAudio (was Re: Sid Foibles)

2014-06-15 Thread Lisi Reisz
On Wednesday 11 June 2014 00:32:37 B wrote: > azertyuiopqsdfghjklmwxcvbn Is that the French keyboard? Lisi -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20140

Re: PulseAudio (was Re: Sid Foibles)

2014-06-13 Thread Bzzzz
On Fri, 13 Jun 2014 13:28:40 +0300 Andrei POPESCU wrote: > That was more of a joke and I meant no disrespect to any of the > JACK contributors. Also, my argument still stands: a programmer is > not necessarily a good systems administrator. When you build a team, it is quite like a car run: you a

Re: PulseAudio (was Re: Sid Foibles)

2014-06-13 Thread Curt
On 2014-06-13, Andrei POPESCU wrote: > > That was more of a joke and I meant no disrespect to any of the JACK=20 > contributors. Also, my argument still stands: a programmer is not=20 > necessarily a good systems administrator. > "A programmer is not necessarily a good programmer." - Mai Pewter

Re: PulseAudio (was Re: Sid Foibles)

2014-06-13 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Vi, 13 iun 14, 03:47:04, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > On Thu, 2014-06-12 at 13:22 +0300, Andrei POPESCU wrote: > > > > Well, they're Pro Audio developers not Pro Admins :p > > I heard that one of those Linux audio coders was responsible for the > software of a famous, if not the most famous internati

Re: PulseAudio (was Re: Sid Foibles)

2014-06-12 Thread darkestkhan
On Mon, Jun 9, 2014 at 9:51 AM, Chris Angelico wrote: > On Mon, Jun 9, 2014 at 7:38 PM, wrote: >> except that each time I have read a reference to PA, it was to say that it >> does not work correctly, and often, removing it seemed to solve the problem? > > PulseAudio does have its problems (I do

Re: PulseAudio (was Re: Sid Foibles)

2014-06-12 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Thu, 2014-06-12 at 13:22 +0300, Andrei POPESCU wrote: > On Mi, 11 iun 14, 01:32:37, B wrote: > > From what you report, Ralf, the kinda site attack they > > suffered should never happen, or at least should have been > > circumvented very fast (IF there is somebody strong enough > > to handle

Re: PulseAudio (was Re: Sid Foibles)

2014-06-12 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Mi, 11 iun 14, 01:32:37, B wrote: > From what you report, Ralf, the kinda site attack they > suffered should never happen, or at least should have been > circumvented very fast (IF there is somebody strong enough > to handle that). > > That's a pity for such a good idea but I don't think th

Re: PulseAudio (was Re: Sid Foibles)

2014-06-10 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Wed, 2014-06-11 at 01:32 +0200, B wrote: > That's a pity for such a good idea but I don't think the > omen's good; we'll see (or not…) It's not the first time the homepage was hacked :(. Everybody is welcome to help ;). take a look at http://lists.linuxaudio.org/pipermail/linux-audio-dev/

Re: PulseAudio (was Re: Sid Foibles)

2014-06-10 Thread Bzzzz
On Wed, 11 Jun 2014 01:03:28 +0200 Ralf Mardorf wrote: > An > disgusting example for an odd jack client is Audacity. Yeah, I agree, everything's not green in jack's world. The base idea behind jack is very good, but I don't know if the team communication's that good (either with the external o

Re: PulseAudio (was Re: Sid Foibles)

2014-06-10 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Tue, 2014-06-10 at 18:15 +0100, Nuno Magalhães wrote: > On Mon, Jun 9, 2014 at 4:08 PM, Ralf Mardorf > wrote: > > I use the PC speaker for > > notifications/warnings/what ever and I use ALSA to play sound from e.g. > > a YouTube video and for pro-audio I use jackd, jackd doesn't always > > sat

Re: PulseAudio (was Re: Sid Foibles)

2014-06-10 Thread Bzzzz
On Tue, 10 Jun 2014 13:45:59 -0400 Steve Litt wrote: > You guys must know something I don't, because three times I > installed Jack, three times I spent several hours trying to get > sound out of it, and three times I failed to get any sound out of > it. One of those times was with the Ubuntu dis

Re: PulseAudio (was Re: Sid Foibles)

2014-06-10 Thread Steve Litt
On Tue, 10 Jun 2014 19:27:27 +0200 B wrote: > On Tue, 10 Jun 2014 18:15:30 +0100 > Nuno Magalhães wrote: > > Could jack be used in a scenario where the sound originates from a > > Xen VM (via music players, youtube, whatever) and is received by > > the Xen host? (To complement XDMCP.) > > A

Re: PulseAudio (was Re: Sid Foibles)

2014-06-10 Thread Bzzzz
On Tue, 10 Jun 2014 18:15:30 +0100 Nuno Magalhães wrote: > Could jack be used in a scenario where the sound originates from a > Xen VM (via music players, youtube, whatever) and is received by > the Xen host? (To complement XDMCP.) AFAIK, jack is the audio Lego, so your solution should work (howe

Re: PulseAudio (was Re: Sid Foibles)

2014-06-10 Thread Nuno Magalhães
On Mon, Jun 9, 2014 at 4:08 PM, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > I use the PC speaker for > notifications/warnings/what ever and I use ALSA to play sound from e.g. > a YouTube video and for pro-audio I use jackd, jackd doesn't always > satisfy my needs, but IMO it still is the best sound server available > f

Re: PulseAudio (was Re: Sid Foibles)

2014-06-09 Thread Kushal Kumaran
Steve Litt writes: > On Mon, 9 Jun 2014 19:51:53 +1000 > Chris Angelico wrote: > >> On Mon, Jun 9, 2014 at 7:38 PM, >> wrote: >> > except that each time I have read a reference to PA, it was to say >> > that it does not work correctly, and often, removing it seemed to >> > solve the problem? >

Re: PulseAudio (was Re: Sid Foibles)

2014-06-09 Thread Ric Moore
On 06/09/2014 08:01 AM, Rusi Mody wrote: On Monday, June 9, 2014 3:30:02 PM UTC+5:30, Chris Angelico wrote: On Mon, Jun 9, 2014 at 7:38 PM, wrote: except that each time I have read a reference to PA, it was to say that it does not work correctly, and often, removing it seemed to solve the prob

Re: PulseAudio (was Re: Sid Foibles)

2014-06-09 Thread Ric Moore
On 06/09/2014 05:51 AM, Chris Angelico wrote: On Mon, Jun 9, 2014 at 7:38 PM, wrote: except that each time I have read a reference to PA, it was to say that it does not work correctly, and often, removing it seemed to solve the problem? PulseAudio does have its problems (I don't use it, beca

Re: PulseAudio (was Re: Sid Foibles)

2014-06-09 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Mon, 2014-06-09 at 18:56 +0300, Andrei POPESCU wrote: > On Lu, 09 iun 14, 09:30:01, Steve Litt wrote: > > > > I look forward to hearing how other people do or don't work with > > PulseAudio (and ALSA) in this thread. > > I'll try to explain it simply, but I have a feeling this will turn out >

Re: PulseAudio (was Re: Sid Foibles)

2014-06-09 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Lu, 09 iun 14, 09:30:01, Steve Litt wrote: > > I look forward to hearing how other people do or don't work with > PulseAudio (and ALSA) in this thread. I'll try to explain it simply, but I have a feeling this will turn out quite long: ALSA (Advanced Linux Sound Architecture) is the kernel dr

Re: PulseAudio (was Re: Sid Foibles)

2014-06-09 Thread Chris Angelico
On Mon, Jun 9, 2014 at 11:51 PM, wrote: > Which means ( roughly, I'm not a translator ): > "So, the softwares which are using ALSA will send their output to > PulseAudio, which will then use ALSA to access the real sound card." > Really, it's fun. But honestly, I really try to keep my system as >

Re: PulseAudio (was Re: Sid Foibles)

2014-06-09 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Mon, 2014-06-09 at 16:52 +0200, Erwan David wrote: > Le 09/06/2014 16:09, Ralf Mardorf a écrit : > > For averaged desktop audio users pulseaudio does provide a more or IMO > > rather less way to handle audio streams. > > What do you mean here ? I do notr use pulseaudio, what would it give me >

Re: PulseAudio (was Re: Sid Foibles)

2014-06-09 Thread Erwan David
Le 09/06/2014 16:09, Ralf Mardorf a écrit : > For averaged desktop audio users pulseaudio does provide a more or IMO > rather less way to handle audio streams. What do you mean here ? I do notr use pulseaudio, what would it give me to have it ? I also have a laptop under fedora with pulseaudio, a

Re: PulseAudio (was Re: Sid Foibles)

2014-06-09 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Mon, 2014-06-09 at 15:51 +0200, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote: > PulseAudio is one of the multiple layer which are made to "simplify" > the use of sound systems. It's called a "sound server". > Which means ( roughly, I'm not a translator ): > "So, the softwares which are using ALSA will

Re: PulseAudio (was Re: Sid Foibles)

2014-06-09 Thread berenger . morel
Le 09.06.2014 15:30, Steve Litt a écrit : I have no Mental Model of the Linux sound system, so when my sound goes out, I keep messing with everything until I get it fixed. One thing I use a lot of is text mode alsamixer. I'll often find something muted. If I am not wrong, ALSA is a low lev

Re: PulseAudio (was Re: Sid Foibles)

2014-06-09 Thread Steve Litt
On Mon, 09 Jun 2014 14:33:56 +0200 Filip wrote: > Rusi Mody writes: > > > > > JFTR: I try to stay with xfce if possible. > > But parole was not working and I had to install totem. > > This brought in a lot of gnome stuff -- including PA. > > And the next I knew, sound had stopped working. > > >

Re: PulseAudio (was Re: Sid Foibles)

2014-06-09 Thread Steve Litt
On Mon, 9 Jun 2014 19:51:53 +1000 Chris Angelico wrote: > On Mon, Jun 9, 2014 at 7:38 PM, > wrote: > > except that each time I have read a reference to PA, it was to say > > that it does not work correctly, and often, removing it seemed to > > solve the problem? > > PulseAudio does have its pr

Re: Sid Foibles

2014-06-09 Thread David Dušanić
09.06.2014, 09:23, "David Baron" : > A lot of "held" packages: > > libxfont, libxfont-dev --> remove xfs. Is xfs gone/deprecated? In use at all? > or .. don't do this! > network-manger, ppp,etc --> remove sysvinit-core, install systemd, systemd- > sysv. Do these supersede sysvinit-core or should pa

Re: PulseAudio (was Re: Sid Foibles)

2014-06-09 Thread berenger . morel
Le 09.06.2014 14:33, Filip a écrit : Rusi Mody writes: JFTR: I try to stay with xfce if possible. But parole was not working and I had to install totem. This brought in a lot of gnome stuff -- including PA. And the next I knew, sound had stopped working. Started working when I removed PA.

Re: PulseAudio (was Re: Sid Foibles)

2014-06-09 Thread Filip
Rusi Mody writes: > > JFTR: I try to stay with xfce if possible. > But parole was not working and I had to install totem. > This brought in a lot of gnome stuff -- including PA. > And the next I knew, sound had stopped working. > > Started working when I removed PA. > > [I may have got some detai

Re: PulseAudio (was Re: Sid Foibles)

2014-06-09 Thread Rusi Mody
On Monday, June 9, 2014 3:30:02 PM UTC+5:30, Chris Angelico wrote: > On Mon, Jun 9, 2014 at 7:38 PM, wrote: > > except that each time I have read a reference to PA, it was to say that it > > does not work correctly, and often, removing it seemed to solve the problem? > PulseAudio does have its pr

Re: Sid Foibles

2014-06-09 Thread Tom H
On Mon, Jun 9, 2014 at 3:23 AM, David Baron wrote: > libxfont, libxfont-dev --> remove xfs. Is xfs gone/deprecated? In use at all? xfs was removed from the Debian repositories a while ago. > network-manger, ppp,etc --> remove sysvinit-core, install systemd, systemd- > sysv. Do these supersede

Re: PulseAudio (was Re: Sid Foibles)

2014-06-09 Thread berenger . morel
Le 09.06.2014 11:51, Chris Angelico a écrit : On Mon, Jun 9, 2014 at 7:38 PM, wrote: except that each time I have read a reference to PA, it was to say that it does not work correctly, and often, removing it seemed to solve the problem? PulseAudio does have its problems (I don't use it, b

PulseAudio (was Re: Sid Foibles)

2014-06-09 Thread Chris Angelico
On Mon, Jun 9, 2014 at 7:38 PM, wrote: > except that each time I have read a reference to PA, it was to say that it > does not work correctly, and often, removing it seemed to solve the problem? PulseAudio does have its problems (I don't use it, because my sound card is a bit weird; I uninstalle

Re: Sid Foibles

2014-06-09 Thread berenger . morel
Hello. Le 09.06.2014 10:16, Sven Joachim a écrit : Installing systemd is kind of mandatory these days (many packages need logind from it). Just to precise that this particular point still might be avoided, with some conditions. Disclaimer 1: I do not say that systemd is not a good toolset,

Re: Sid Foibles

2014-06-09 Thread Sven Joachim
On 2014-06-09 09:23 +0200, David Baron wrote: > A lot of "held" packages: > > libxfont, libxfont-dev --> remove xfs. Is xfs gone/deprecated? It has been removed from unstable five months ago[1], I dare say that it had been deprecated for many years already. > network-manger, ppp,etc --> remove s