May 9, at 09:45, dman sent through the Star Gate:
>Whenever a library goes through a major incompatible revision, debian
>keeps both around as separately named packages designed to co-exist.
That by itself is a good enough reason for me to try Debian. I tried as a
newbie to upgrade some packages
On Thu, 9 May 2002, dman wrote:
> debian! Use exim instead, it's much easier to configure.
I'm going to have to strongly agree with that. It's mail simplicity and
easier than walking your boss through OE by phone (my current measure
for the most difficult anything should be).
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Baloo
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On Thu, 9 May 2002, dman wrote:
> | That just hurts...why would someone implement something in such an
> | obviously painful manner?
>
> Have you ever tried to read RH init scripts? Have you ever tried to
> find an init script?
Yes, I have, which is why I wonder why they made the same fscking
mi
On Thu, 9 May 2002, dman wrote:
> number is kinda part of the package name. The package name is as much
> as you specify, rather than having specific delimiters like dpkg. rpm
> also allows multiple packages with the same "name" (different version)
> installed, as long as no two files have the s
On 0, dman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Wed, May 08, 2002 at 11:43:21PM -0700, Paul 'Baloo' Johnson wrote:
> | On Wed, 8 May 2002, Glen Lee Edwards wrote:
>
> | > They recently dumped inet for xinet. Instead of having one configuration
> file
> | > in /etc/inetd.conf, they now have individu
On Wed, May 08, 2002 at 10:24:39PM -0500, Jamin W. Collins wrote:
( ... )
> The main thing that struck me on the move are that some of the
> configuration files are "automagically" updated (modules.conf for example)
> and if you make changes to them directly you can end up losing those
> changes.
Glen Lee Edwards wrote:
> What are the main differences between Debian and Red Hat (I'm assuming there
> are
> a few current or ex-Red Hat users here)?
isntallation 'looks' much different (i like it -
simpler), config files are much easier to find in
debian, apt is such a slick tool, and i find
On Wed, May 08, 2002 at 11:49:16PM -0500, Glen Lee Edwards wrote:
[some quotes re-arranged for better cohesiveness of replies]
| dman writes:
| >On Wed, May 08, 2002 at 07:09:13PM -0500, Glen Lee Edwards wrote:
| >(I couldn't get my 8MB clunker to boot from a cd and didn't have any
| >floppies han
On Wed, May 08, 2002 at 11:43:21PM -0700, Paul 'Baloo' Johnson wrote:
| On Wed, 8 May 2002, Glen Lee Edwards wrote:
| > They recently dumped inet for xinet. Instead of having one configuration
file
| > in /etc/inetd.conf, they now have individual files per service in
| > /etc/xinetd.d/. I'm su
On Thu, May 09, 2002 at 01:09:42AM -0500, Glen Lee Edwards wrote:
| Ron writes:
| >
| >> That by itself is good enough for me to try it. I absolutely dread Red Hat
| >> upgrades. I don't know why they can't do it so you can just upgrade
individual
| >> packages without having to re-install the w
On Thu, May 09, 2002 at 01:11:30AM -0700, Paul 'Baloo' Johnson wrote:
| On Thu, 9 May 2002, Glen Lee Edwards wrote:
|
| > >> have an ADSL line that will allow 66+ kB/s downloads, assuming the site
I'm
| > >> accessing can handle it. If the perl dependencies in your example
install
| > >> withou
On Thu, May 09, 2002 at 08:37:56AM +0100, Peter Whysall wrote:
| On Thu, 2002-05-09 at 07:39, Ron wrote:
| > On Thu, 2002-05-09 at 01:18, Paul 'Baloo' Johnson wrote:
| > > On Wed, 8 May 2002, Glen Lee Edwards wrote:
| > [snip]
| > > - dpkg makes life easier than dealing with RPM. The dpkg isn't a
On Thu, May 09, 2002 at 12:20:44AM -0500, Ron wrote:
> Isn't that how everyone does it? Even in Debian/woody, there
> are .conf files in more places than just the /etc tree.
Reading configuration (that the user might be expected to change) out of
anywhere other than /etc is considered a bug ...
On Thu, 9 May 2002, Glen Lee Edwards wrote:
> >> have an ADSL line that will allow 66+ kB/s downloads, assuming the site I'm
> >> accessing can handle it. If the perl dependencies in your example install
> >> without breaking other dependencies, I'm good to go.
> >
> >Jeez...I'm so glad I'm back
On Thu, 2002-05-09 at 01:43, Paul 'Baloo' Johnson wrote:
> On Wed, 8 May 2002, Glen Lee Edwards wrote:
[snip]
> > They recently dumped inet for xinet. Instead of having one configuration
> > file
> > in /etc/inetd.conf, they now have individual files per service in
> > /etc/xinetd.d/. I'm sure t
On Thu, 2002-05-09 at 07:39, Ron wrote:
> On Thu, 2002-05-09 at 01:18, Paul 'Baloo' Johnson wrote:
> > On Wed, 8 May 2002, Glen Lee Edwards wrote:
> [snip]
> > - dpkg makes life easier than dealing with RPM. The dpkg isn't a
> > complete bitch to deal with like RPM on the command line. You also h
Paul 'Baloo' Johnson writes:
>On Thu, 9 May 2002, Glen Lee Edwards wrote:
>
>> I don't have a problem as much with downloading dependencies as I do with
>> needing programs that require conflicting libraries. I'm fortunate in that I
>> have an ADSL line that will allow 66+ kB/s downloads, assuming
Paul 'Baloo' Johnson writes:
>On Wed, 8 May 2002, Glen Lee Edwards wrote:
>
>> Linux and low RAM boxes don't get along well.
>
>Not sure what paralell universe that's from. Linux runs on PDAs, for
I mis-stated myself; Low RAM boxes and Linux GUIs (X and gimp, desktop
applications (Gnome, KDE), et
On 9 May 2002, Ron wrote:
> I don't remember being able to easily install 2 versions of
> the same package.
Countless times I had installed a newer version of a package only to
discover it managed to slip it in there in some borken manner that left
the old version completely intact *and* installe
On Thu, 9 May 2002, Glen Lee Edwards wrote:
> I don't have a problem as much with downloading dependencies as I do with
> needing programs that require conflicting libraries. I'm fortunate in that I
> have an ADSL line that will allow 66+ kB/s downloads, assuming the site I'm
> accessing can hand
On Wed, 8 May 2002, Glen Lee Edwards wrote:
> Linux and low RAM boxes don't get along well.
Not sure what paralell universe that's from. Linux runs on PDAs, for
chrissake. 8:o) I ran ursine.dyndns.org on a 386 with 8MB RAM and
111MB of disk space (I was in high school and had to scrape togethe
On Thu, 2002-05-09 at 01:18, Paul 'Baloo' Johnson wrote:
> On Wed, 8 May 2002, Glen Lee Edwards wrote:
[snip]
> - dpkg makes life easier than dealing with RPM. The dpkg isn't a
> complete bitch to deal with like RPM on the command line. You also have
> to make an effort to install two versions of
On Thu, 2002-05-09 at 01:09, Glen Lee Edwards wrote:
> Ron writes:
> >
[snip]
> >A Debian policy-that-I-think-is-a-quirk: there is the the concept
> >of the meta-package. mail-transport-agent is an example. When,
> >for example, you install exim, mail-transport-agent is also
> >installed. If y
On Wed, 8 May 2002, Glen Lee Edwards wrote:
> The Debian web site says that Debian will install on 12 Meg RAM. Is that
> information current?
I haven't seen a reason why it wouldn't be.
> What are the main differences between Debian and Red Hat (I'm assuming there
> are
> a few current or ex-R
Ron writes:
>
>> That by itself is good enough for me to try it. I absolutely dread Red Hat
>> upgrades. I don't know why they can't do it so you can just upgrade
>> individual
>> packages without having to re-install the whole system. Most of the time
>> when I
>> upgrade I can guarantee that
On Wed, 2002-05-08 at 23:49, Glen Lee Edwards wrote:
> dman writes:
> >On Wed, May 08, 2002 at 07:09:13PM -0500, Glen Lee Edwards wrote:
[snip]
> >debian packages are much saner too -- for example try installing
> >python2 on a headless RH box *without* also installing the X server
> >and X font se
dman writes:
>On Wed, May 08, 2002 at 07:09:13PM -0500, Glen Lee Edwards wrote:
>
>I don't know about *install*, but it certainly *runs* (and sometimes
>crawls :-)) on 8MB.
Linux and low RAM boxes don't get along well. I found that I can run FVWM on a
remote box using X-forwarding to a better box
On Wed, May 08, 2002 at 10:24:39PM -0500, Jamin W. Collins wrote:
| On Wed, 8 May 2002 19:09:13 -0500
| "Glen Lee Edwards" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
| > What are the main differences between Debian and Red Hat (I'm assuming
| > there are a few current or ex-Red Hat users here)?
|
| The main thi
On Wed, 8 May 2002 19:09:13 -0500
"Glen Lee Edwards" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> The Debian web site says that Debian will install on 12 Meg RAM. Is
> that information current?
I just finished installing 6 systems (2 P100s and 4 P166s) here. Most had
32 megs of memory, however two did have 16
Lo, on Wednesday, May 8, Glen Lee Edwards did write:
> Hi,
>
> I've been a loyal Red Hat user for the last 4 or 5 years. Their recent
> distributions will no longer install on all my computers because they now
> require more than 16 Meg RAM. I have a few questions:
> How well does FVWM run o
Glen,
I'm fast becoming an ex RedHat user. RH releases often with lots of bugs.
Debian releases aren't frequent, but the testing version is pretty current
with other distributions, and at least as good.
Debian may be a little harder to configure, but configuration files are
not hidden and in gen
On Wed, May 08, 2002 at 07:09:13PM -0500, Glen Lee Edwards wrote:
| Hi,
|
| I've been a loyal Red Hat user for the last 4 or 5 years. Their recent
| distributions will no longer install on all my computers because they now
| require more than 16 Meg RAM. I have a few questions:
|
| The Debian w
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