On Sun, May 1, 2011 at 10:54 PM, Marc Shapiro wrote:
> On 04/21/11 09:21, Patrick Bartek wrote:
>>
>> --- On Sat, 4/16/11, Andrei Popescu wrote:
>>
>>> On Vi, 15 apr 11, 22:26:54, Patrick
>>> Bartek wrote:
So, I stand by my initial statement that Debian is not
>>>
>>> suitable for
On 04/21/11 09:21, Patrick Bartek wrote:
--- On Sat, 4/16/11, Andrei Popescu wrote:
On Vi, 15 apr 11, 22:26:54, Patrick
Bartek wrote:
So, I stand by my initial statement that Debian is not
suitable for
the Linux firsttimer. I would never recommend it
to a noobie. With
Debian, you need
On Thursday 21 April 2011 21:15:11 Heddle Weaver wrote:
> ...
> Yes, I've found this to be exactly the case. I've developed a strong
> interest in quantum, chaos and game theory so I decided to up my math
> ability. Applied to the local tech. colleges and discovered that they could
> teach me hou
Heddle Weaver wrote:
The logs, algebra, geometry, etc., that I was learning in my first
year of high school, isn't taught here in Australia until after the
third year of high school, now. To get anything better I have to drop
work/career and go to university at a phenomenal cost.
The 'conspir
On 22 April 2011 10:39, Patrick Bartek wrote:
> --- On Thu, 4/21/11, Alan McConnell wrote:
>
> > A couple of comments.
> >
> > On Thu, Apr 21, 2011 at 01:15:08PM -0400, Miles Fidelman
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > >It's been my experience that most users never read
> > the manual.
> > > Too much troubl
--- On Thu, 4/21/11, Alan McConnell wrote:
> A couple of comments.
>
> On Thu, Apr 21, 2011 at 01:15:08PM -0400, Miles Fidelman
> wrote:
> >
> > >It's been my experience that most users never read
> the manual.
> > Too much trouble. When something breaks, they
> find someone to
> > fix it or te
Alan McConnell wrote:
OK, a little survey here. How many of you use mutt, or
elm, or Evolution(?), and do your E-mail right from your
home computer? I do, and since my ISP -- not PatriotNet,
incidentally -- gives me a dynamic IP
address I have
A couple of comments.
On Thu, Apr 21, 2011 at 01:15:08PM -0400, Miles Fidelman wrote:
>
> >It's been my experience that most users never read the manual.
> Too much trouble. When something breaks, they find someone to
> fix it or tell them how to. No learning required.
If someone tells you
On Thursday 21 April 2011 20:03:00 Klistvud wrote:
> Dne, 21. 04. 2011 18:21:09 je Patrick Bartek napisal(a):
> > Windows users are accustomed to being lead around by the hand
>
> I thought that "lead around by the nose" was the correct (Queen's
> English) phrase. But then again, I'm not a native s
Dne, 21. 04. 2011 18:21:09 je Patrick Bartek napisal(a):
Windows users are accustomed to being lead around by the hand
I thought that "lead around by the nose" was the correct (Queen's
English) phrase. But then again, I'm not a native speaker.
--
Cheerio,
Klistvud
On Apr 21, 2011 1:58 PM, "Heddle Weaver" wrote:
>
>
>
> On 22 April 2011 02:31, Patrick Bartek wrote:
>>
>> It's been my experience that most users never read the manual. Too much
trouble. When something breaks, they find someone to fix it or tell them
how to. No learning required.
>
>
> Most
On 22 April 2011 02:31, Patrick Bartek wrote:
> --- On Sat, 4/16/11, foldingst...@theowned.org
> wrote:
>
> > > Like I said, "A Lot has changed
> > in 12 years". Debian is more friendly
> > > today than yesterday as are most distros, but there
> > are others that are
> > > friendlier, a lot fri
Patrick Bartek wrote:
--- On Sat, 4/16/11, foldingst...@theowned.org
wrote:
Like I said, "A Lot has changed in 12 years". Debian is more friendly today
than yesterday as are most distros, but there are others that are friendlier, a lot
friendlier. So, I stand by my initial statement th
--- On Sat, 4/16/11, foldingst...@theowned.org
wrote:
> > Like I said, "A Lot has changed
> in 12 years". Debian is more friendly
> > today than yesterday as are most distros, but there
> are others that are
> > friendlier, a lot friendlier.
> >
> > So, I stand by my initial statement that Debi
--- On Sat, 4/16/11, Andrei Popescu wrote:
> On Vi, 15 apr 11, 22:26:54, Patrick
> Bartek wrote:
> >
> > So, I stand by my initial statement that Debian is not
> suitable for
> > the Linux firsttimer. I would never recommend it
> to a noobie. With
> > Debian, you need to know, at least somew
Steven Rosenberg put forth on 4/18/2011 6:58 PM:
> On 04/15/2011 12:49 PM, Krzysztof Bieniasz wrote:
>>> FWIW: O'Reilly published a Special Edition book LEARNING DEBIAN
>>> GNU/LINUX (c. 1999). It was a very good introduction and step-by-step
>>> guide to installing and using Debian. I got it for
On 19 April 2011 10:06, Steven Rosenberg wrote:
>
>
> "Practicing" installing the system and doing it a bunch of times also helps
> a lot.
Massive
A bunch? I've done it a million times more than necessary and everytime I've
learnt something. I've fallen asleep over the keyboard installing for
On 04/16/2011 11:05 AM, Jude DaShiell wrote:
Actually, if a new user reads the contents of debian-reference before
doing much else with Debian they'll solve that problem. The problem
behind that is that debian-reference doesn't install by default on
systems. A question like "Are you new to Linu
On 04/15/2011 12:49 PM, Krzysztof Bieniasz wrote:
FWIW: O'Reilly published a Special Edition book LEARNING DEBIAN
GNU/LINUX (c. 1999). It was a very good introduction and step-by-step
guide to installing and using Debian. I got it for free from the Debian
booth at Las Vegas COMDEX 1999. This w
On Saturday 16 April 2011 19:05:09 Jude DaShiell wrote:
> Actually, if a new user reads the contents of debian-reference before
> doing much else with Debian they'll solve that problem. The problem
> behind that is that debian-reference doesn't install by default on
> systems. A question like "Ar
Actually, if a new user reads the contents of debian-reference before
doing much else with Debian they'll solve that problem. The problem
behind that is that debian-reference doesn't install by default on
systems. A question like "Are you new to Linux (y/n)? in the install
script might not on
On Apr 16, 2011 11:18 AM, wrote:
>
> > Like I said, "A Lot has changed in 12 years". Debian is more friendly
> > today than yesterday as are most distros, but there are others that are
> > friendlier, a lot friendlier.
> >
> > So, I stand by my initial statement that Debian is not suitable for th
> Like I said, "A Lot has changed in 12 years". Debian is more friendly
> today than yesterday as are most distros, but there are others that are
> friendlier, a lot friendlier.
>
> So, I stand by my initial statement that Debian is not suitable for the
> Linux firsttimer. I would never recommend
On Vi, 15 apr 11, 22:26:54, Patrick Bartek wrote:
>
> So, I stand by my initial statement that Debian is not suitable for
> the Linux firsttimer. I would never recommend it to a noobie. With
> Debian, you need to know, at least somewhat, what you're doing.
For mere users (no administration)
--- On Fri, 4/15/11, Krzysztof Bieniasz wrote:
> > FWIW: O'Reilly published a
> Special Edition book LEARNING DEBIAN
> > GNU/LINUX (c. 1999). It was a very good
> introduction and step-by-step
> > guide to installing and using Debian. I got it
> for free from the Debian
> > booth at Las Vegas C
--- On Fri, 4/15/11, shawn wilson wrote:
> On Fri, Apr 15, 2011 at 1:36 PM,
> Patrick Bartek
> wrote:
> > --- On Thu, 4/14/11, Marc Shapiro
> wrote:
> >
> >> On 04/12/11 09:15, Patrick Bartek
> >> wrote:
> >> > --- On Tue, 4/12/11, rishabh animesh
> >> wrote:
> >> >
> > FWIW: O'Reilly publishe
> FWIW: O'Reilly published a Special Edition book LEARNING DEBIAN
> GNU/LINUX (c. 1999). It was a very good introduction and step-by-step
> guide to installing and using Debian. I got it for free from the Debian
> booth at Las Vegas COMDEX 1999. This was the first year Linux had a
> major presen
On Fri, Apr 15, 2011 at 1:36 PM, Patrick Bartek wrote:
> --- On Thu, 4/14/11, Marc Shapiro wrote:
>
>> On 04/12/11 09:15, Patrick Bartek
>> wrote:
>> > --- On Tue, 4/12/11, rishabh animesh
>> wrote:
>> >
> FWIW: O'Reilly published a Special Edition book LEARNING DEBIAN GNU/LINUX (c.
> 1999). It
--- On Thu, 4/14/11, Marc Shapiro wrote:
> On 04/12/11 09:15, Patrick Bartek
> wrote:
> > --- On Tue, 4/12/11, rishabh animesh
> wrote:
> >
> >> I am new to Linux and Debian. Whats the best way
> to start on things?
> >> Currently I'm a Computer Science student and have
> experience only with
>
On Fri, Apr 15, 2011 at 1:26 AM, Marc Shapiro wrote:
> On 04/12/11 09:15, Patrick Bartek wrote:
>>
>> --- On Tue, 4/12/11, rishabh animesh wrote:
>>
>>> I am new to Linux and Debian. Whats the best way to start on things?
>>> Currently I'm a Computer Science student and have experience only with
On 04/12/11 09:15, Patrick Bartek wrote:
--- On Tue, 4/12/11, rishabh animesh wrote:
I am new to Linux and Debian. Whats the best way to start on things?
Currently I'm a Computer Science student and have experience only with
algorithms! Comfortable with C/C++ but willing to learn more to help
Thanks Larry! I'll get hold of the book asap!
On Tue, Apr 12, 2011 at 7:00 PM, wrote:
>
>
> - Original Message -
> *From: *rishabh animesh
> *To: *debian-user@lists.debian.org
> *Sent: *4/12/2011 11:41:13 AM
> *Subject: *New to Linux
>
> Hello People,
>
> I am new to Linux and Debian.
On Wed, 2011-04-13 at 14:36 +0200, Erwan David wrote:
> The author (or the copyright owner, depending of the country) may
> change the licence at any moment.
> However, he cannot remove rights to people who obtained the software
> under GPL.
a recent example is NoMachine NX4...they changed to clo
On Wed, Apr 13, 2011 at 02:32:23PM CEST, Chen Wei said:
> On Tue, Apr 12, 2011 at 01:41:58PM -0400, Chris Brennan wrote:
> > GPL doesn't promise future freedom when someone else legally buy's the
> > rights to the source and changes it. That being said, Final versions of a
> > program released und
On Tue, Apr 12, 2011 at 01:41:58PM -0400, Chris Brennan wrote:
> GPL doesn't promise future freedom when someone else legally buy's the
> rights to the source and changes it. That being said, Final versions of a
> program released under GPL or another F/OSS licence allows that snapshot in
> time of
On 2011-04-12 18:41, rishabh animesh wrote:
> Hello People,
>
> I am new to Linux and Debian. Whats the best way to start on things?
> Currently I'm a Computer Science student and have experience only with
> algorithms! Comfortable with C/C++
> but willing to learn more to help me get started with
On Wed, Apr 13, 2011 at 12:47 AM, Ron Johnson wrote:
> On 04/12/2011 07:17 PM, Dr. Ed Morbius wrote:
>>
>> on 17:11 Tue 12 Apr, rishabh animesh (rishabh.anim...@gmail.com) wrote:
>
> [snip]
>>
>>> I have experiences with the Search Technology. I have also created a
>>> forum
>>> to promote program
On 04/12/2011 07:17 PM, Dr. Ed Morbius wrote:
on 17:11 Tue 12 Apr, rishabh animesh (rishabh.anim...@gmail.com) wrote:
[snip]
I have experiences with the Search Technology. I have also created a forum
to promote programming among my peers where we organize monthly contests on
this portal. www.
On 04/12/2011 12:41 PM, Chris Brennan wrote:
[snip]
As to Shawn's response: "per the source of virtualbox - oracle owns it.
however, it is all
under a gpl type license exept the usb driver which is close source."
GPL protect the current incarnation of a project, what's to stop Oracle from
relea
On 4/12/2011 8:17 PM, Dr. Ed Morbius wrote:
on 17:11 Tue 12 Apr, rishabh animesh (rishabh.anim...@gmail.com) wrote:
Hello People,
I am new to Linux and Debian. Whats the best way to start on things?
There's a two-step process, I recommend:
1: install Linux.
2: use it.
Currently I'm a Compu
On 13/04/11 10:17, Dr. Ed Morbius wrote:
> on 17:11 Tue 12 Apr, rishabh animesh (rishabh.anim...@gmail.com) wrote:
>> Hello People,
>
> Um. So, are you asking a question or spamming your website?
>
:-D
A quick look at the about page on the main domain that the poster claims
to have created
on 17:11 Tue 12 Apr, rishabh animesh (rishabh.anim...@gmail.com) wrote:
> Hello People,
>
> I am new to Linux and Debian. Whats the best way to start on things?
There's a two-step process, I recommend:
1: install Linux.
2: use it.
> Currently I'm a Computer Science student and have experience
I suppose my point was, get a virtualization platform and go to town. I
disagree with the fears of some about vbox (at worst, it may go the way of
LibraOffice). But use whatever really.
Ps - knowing code has little to do with knowing a system. Than again I meet
dumb as hell cs majors all the time
On Tue, Apr 12, 2011 at 1:24 PM, Jonathan Matthews
wrote:
They got borged by Oracle, IIRC, leaving them with at least 3
> different virtual platforms: virtualbox, solaris zones, virtual iron.
> Ooo, and maybe one more whose name escapes me. They also bought up
> Q-Layer, who were *great* ... and
On 12 April 2011 16:34, shawn wilson wrote:
> On Tue, Apr 12, 2011 at 10:53 AM, Chris Brennan wrote:
>> On Tue, Apr 12, 2011 at 10:12 AM, shawn wilson wrote:
>>>
>>> another thing about times changing - virtuals are great. download some
>>> popular distros (don't limit yourself to linux either).
--- On Tue, 4/12/11, rishabh animesh wrote:
> I am new to Linux and Debian. Whats the best way to start on things?
> Currently I'm a Computer Science student and have experience only with
> algorithms! Comfortable with C/C++ but willing to learn more to help me
> get started with the OS mention
On Tue, Apr 12, 2011 at 10:53 AM, Chris Brennan wrote:
> On Tue, Apr 12, 2011 at 10:12 AM, shawn wilson wrote:
>>
>> another thing about times changing - virtuals are great. download some
>> popular distros (don't limit yourself to linux either). i'd suggest
>> debian, fedora, centos, ubuntu, and
On Tue, Apr 12, 2011 at 11:03 AM, Peter Beck wrote:
On Tue, 2011-04-12 at 10:53 -0400, Chris Brennan wrote:
> > You'll need VMWare or VirtualBox (VBox is free but because it's not
>
s/not/now (Dyslexia first thing in the morning caught me off guard :D)
> > Oracle owned, it's licence might rad
On Tue, 2011-04-12 at 10:53 -0400, Chris Brennan wrote:
> You'll need VMWare or VirtualBox (VBox is free but because it's not
> Oracle owned, it's licence might radically change without warning
why not KVM ? If your processor supports VT I would go for KVM.
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On Tue, Apr 12, 2011 at 10:12 AM, shawn wilson wrote:
another thing about times changing - virtuals are great. download some
> popular distros (don't limit yourself to linux either). i'd suggest
> debian, fedora, centos, ubuntu, and freebsd. then get virtual box and
> have fun. go, install, snaps
On Tue, Apr 12, 2011 at 7:41 AM, rishabh animesh
wrote:
> Hello People,
>
> I am new to Linux and Debian. Whats the best way to start on things?
> Currently I'm a Computer Science student and have experience only with
> algorithms! Comfortable with C/C++
> but willing to learn more to help me get
- Original Message -
From: rishabh animesh
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Sent: 4/12/2011 11:41:13 AM
Subject: New to Linux
Hello People,
I am new to Linux and Debian. Whats the best way to start on things?
Currently I'm a Computer Science student and have experience only with
On 04/12/2011 06:41 AM, rishabh animesh wrote:
Hello People,
I am new to Linux and Debian. Whats the best way to start on things?
What things?
Have you yet actually *installed* Debian?
Currently I'm a Computer Science student and have experience only with
algorithms! Comfortable with C/C++
Frank Lanitz escreveu:
> I was referring to the confidential stuff ;)
>
But you quoted Eugene's comment ont it, which made your message somewhat
ambiguous as to what you were refering to.
--
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edua...@kalinowski.com.br
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On Monday 05 January 2009, Martin, Larry D wrote:
> I have downloaded the Debian 40r5 for S390 and have it on CD.
>
>
>
> When I load the CD into the HMC (zSeries z9BC) and try to do the "Load
> from CD/DVD" operation I get:
>
> ""An error has occurred while trying to obtain a list of the software
On Mon, 05 Jan 2009 17:41:57 +0200
"Eugene V. Lyubimkin" wrote:
> Frank Lanitz wrote:
> > On Mon, 05 Jan 2009 17:03:17 +0200
> > "Eugene V. Lyubimkin" wrote:
> >
> >> Martin, Larry D wrote:
> >>> This E-mail and any of its attachments []
> >> This is off-topic, but any info on Debian public lis
On 01/05/09 08:20, Martin, Larry D wrote:
I have downloaded the Debian 40r5 for S390 and have it on CD.
When I load the CD into the HMC (zSeries z9BC) and try to do the “Load
from CD/DVD” operation I get:
“"An error has occurred while trying to obtain a list of the software
that can be lo
Frank Lanitz wrote:
> On Mon, 05 Jan 2009 17:03:17 +0200
> "Eugene V. Lyubimkin" wrote:
>
>> Martin, Larry D wrote:
>>> This E-mail and any of its attachments []
>> This is off-topic, but any info on Debian public lists is publicly
>> archived and therefore the noted message has no sense.
>
> No
On Monday 05 January 2009 14:20:16 Martin, Larry D wrote:
> I have downloaded the Debian 40r5 for S390 and have it on CD.
>
>
>
> When I load the CD into the HMC (zSeries z9BC) and try to do the "Load
> from CD/DVD" operation I get:
>
> ""An error has occurred while trying to obtain a list of the s
On Mon, 05 Jan 2009 17:03:17 +0200
"Eugene V. Lyubimkin" wrote:
> Martin, Larry D wrote:
> > This E-mail and any of its attachments []
> This is off-topic, but any info on Debian public lists is publicly
> archived and therefore the noted message has no sense.
Notes like this doesn't make sense
Martin, Larry D wrote:
> This E-mail and any of its attachments []
This is off-topic, but any info on Debian public lists is publicly archived
and therefore the noted message has no sense.
--
Eugene V. Lyubimkin aka JackYF, JID: jackyf.devel(maildog)gmail.com
Ukrainian C++ Developer, Debian Maint
Hello
jones joens (<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) wrote:
> Hello, I am new to the linux game and am running into some difficulty.
> I cannot get ipchains, iptables, or ipfwadm to work. All three give
> me errors that say something is missing in the kernel. Such that
>
> ipfwadm --> Generic IP Firewall
Peter,
When you installed if you did not add an sources to
your system on the install, go to /etc/apt and with vi
do a vi sources.list. This will open the
sources.list in a text editor. In the sources.list you
will see lines that start with the # space then
deb-ftp, or # space deb-src. For th
Peter Christensen wrote:
>I'm so frustrated with Windows frequently "freezing up" that I'd really
>like to get Linux to work on my machine. I bought a release of Debian
>about two years ago from Cheap*Bytes. The disks say that it's release
>2.1, though when I was installing it I noticed a
On Wed, May 09, 2001 at 04:46:13PM -0400, Peter Christensen wrote:
> I'm so frustrated with Windows frequently "freezing up" that I'd really
> like to get Linux to work on my machine. I bought a release of Debian
> about two years ago from Cheap*Bytes. The disks say that it's release
> 2.1, thoug
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--- The Grand Oral Disseminator <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> ...Please provide detailed information so that
> I can understand it...
If you would do me a favor and look at some documentation
and let me know what parts are not easy to understand:
"Debian GNU/Linux on Toshiba T4700ct Notebook"
To quote "The Grand Oral Disseminator" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
# Hi...
#
# I'm new to Linux, let's start with saying that! But I am thnking
about installing Linux on my PC (Intel PIII 667MHz)... Can you give me
some information about which distribution (A free distribution, since it
is just my goal
will trillich wrote:
On Sun, Mar 04, 2001 at 01:40:26PM -0600, Kent West wrote:
You might also post what part of the world you're in; you might have a
Debianite close by that would be willing to loan/burn/give you a CD and
act as an "elmer" (teacher/friend/guide) to help get you going.
when
On Sun, Mar 04, 2001 at 01:40:26PM -0600, Kent West wrote:
> You might also post what part of the world you're in; you might have a
> Debianite close by that would be willing to loan/burn/give you a CD and
> act as an "elmer" (teacher/friend/guide) to help get you going.
whence "elmer"?
and are
The Grand Oral Disseminator wrote:
Hi...
I'm new to Linux, let's start with saying that! But I am thnking
about installing Linux on my PC (Intel PIII 667MHz)... Can you give
me some information about which distribution (A free distribution,
since it is just my goal to have a mere 'meeti
Hi,
I think you should install potato from CD if debian.
(If you have ultra high speed connection, only 4 FD is needed
to install with net and understands details.)
read www.debian.org
www.linuxdoc.org (HOWTO)
On Sun, Mar 04, 2001 at 03:40:28PM +0100, The Grand Oral Disseminator wrote:
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