On Thu, Dec 04, 2003 at 09:42:39PM -0800, H. S. wrote:
> This must be great then. I will try as soon it is released in Sarge.
Please try it *before* it's released, if you can, so that you can help
the debian-installer developers make sure that it's good enough for your
needs.
--
Colin Watson
on Fri, Dec 05, 2003 at 09:23:26AM -0800, Karsten M. Self ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> on Fri, Dec 05, 2003 at 02:05:25AM +0600, Satyajit Das ("[EMAIL
> PROTECTED]"@spnetctg.com) wrote:
> > 2) I'm using mutt and postfix.
> >My From field said : [EMAIL PROTECTED]@spnetctg.com (Satyajit Das)
>
On Thu, 04 Dec 2003 18:44:35 -0500, H. S. wrote:
> Paul Morgan wrote:
>> On Thu, 04 Dec 2003 14:42:21 -0700, Monique Y. Herman wrote:
>
>>
>> Of course, setting up some stuff (like X) was harder than it is now, but
>
> That was exactly where I had the problem, because the "good enough"
> insta
Paul E Condon wrote:
On Fri, Dec 05, 2003 at 08:38:45AM -0600, Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote:
Depends which *people* Debian targets. Myself I think the Debian install
method is just about where I want it, I must be one of the *people*.
First as a newbie you do RH and KDE. Then you see that is way too mu
On Fri, Dec 05, 2003 at 10:33:46AM -0700, Paul E Condon wrote:
> Is Debian an 'organization' of a 'community', or what?
> Now, distributions that have a business model that sees users as
> customers are having financial problems, will Debian change, and
> become more 'user friendly'?
It seems li
On Fri, Dec 05, 2003 at 08:38:45AM -0600, Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote:
>
> Depends which *people* Debian targets. Myself I think the Debian install
> method is just about where I want it, I must be one of the *people*.
>
> First as a newbie you do RH and KDE. Then you see that is way too much
> and w
Tom Allison wrote:
What is going to matter in the long run is not what happens in the first
day of use, but in the next day or next year. I've been sorely
disappointed by these commercial distributions (Windows and Linux) that
came in a pretty box.
I am curious. I am not an "expert", but I hav
on Fri, Dec 05, 2003 at 02:05:25AM +0600, Satyajit Das ("[EMAIL
PROTECTED]"@spnetctg.com) wrote:
>
> Dear list,
>
> Just today I entire this world and also in Linux world.
> I'm single user.
> I collect Debian 3.0 beta , total 8 CD's .
> After struggle 4 days("dselect" very difficult for newbies
H. S. wrote:
Satyajit Das wrote:
Dear list,
Just today I entire this world and also in Linux world.
By "this world" I would assume the newsgroup world and *this* world in
general :))
welcome to Linux world!
I'm single user.
I collect Debian 3.0 beta , total 8 CD's .
After struggle 4 days("ds
- Original Message -
From: "Bijan Soleymani" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2003 16:29
Subject: Re: I'm face Few problem , need suggestion
> "Monique Y. Herman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
&g
H. S. wrote:
Tom Allison wrote:
I think before you start parroting the same thing
1,000's before you
have griped about I would like to at least present
some of my personal
findings in the last 4 months.
Not 1000's times, but many times, yes. hee hee
Facts: 1) I am griping about Woody instal
Monique Y. Herman wrote:
On Thu, 04 Dec 2003 at 23:35 GMT, Paul Morgan penned:
You are dead right, of course. I keep forgetting that there are folks
new to Unix, even, installing debian. Which is really great.
It's great, but ...
My first linux install was done by a friend. Even redhat was h
Tom Allison wrote:
> I think before you start parroting the same thing
1,000's before you
> have griped about I would like to at least present
some of my personal
> findings in the last 4 months.
Not 1000's times, but many times, yes. hee hee
Facts: 1) I am griping about Woody installer.
2) Hav
Thanasis Kinias wrote:
> scripsit H. S.:
> I'm a bit perplexed here -- are you arguing that the
Sarge installer is
Haven't seen it. I just started using Debian by
downloading Woody. And
then dist-upgraded to Sarge. Never seen Sarge
installer. If it is out,
then I have missed it.
> so much in
On Thu, Dec 04, 2003 at 05:57:43PM -0700, Monique Y. Herman wrote:
> On Thu, 04 Dec 2003 at 23:04 GMT, ScruLoose penned:
> >
> > They don't have to. They can use Libranet or Xandros or Knoppix if
> > they want an "easy" way (on x86 systems). If you choose Debian, you
> > should know that an idiot-
On Thu, 04 Dec 2003 at 23:35 GMT, Paul Morgan penned:
>
> You are dead right, of course. I keep forgetting that there are folks
> new to Unix, even, installing debian. Which is really great.
It's great, but ...
My first linux install was done by a friend. Even redhat was hard for
me to figure
H. S. wrote:
Satyajit Das wrote:
Dear list,
Just today I entire this world and also in Linux world.
By "this world" I would assume the newsgroup world and *this* world in
general :))
welcome to Linux world!
I'm single user.
I collect Debian 3.0 beta , total 8 CD's .
After struggle 4 days("ds
On Thu, 04 Dec 2003 at 22:52 GMT, Bijan Soleymani penned:
>
> I agree that the installer isn't that difficult to get through but
> once you're done you're faced with a text mode login. When you're new
> and don't know any command this isn't very useful. I mean there's a
> huge step between that an
On Thu, 04 Dec 2003 at 22:29 GMT, Bijan Soleymani penned:
> "Monique Y. Herman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
>> I don't have a problem with the installer. I'd rather have devs
>> working on other stuff than on something that works (for me).
>
> The installer also works for me, at least most of
On Thu, 04 Dec 2003 at 23:04 GMT, ScruLoose penned:
>
>
> They don't have to. They can use Libranet or Xandros or Knoppix if
> they want an "easy" way (on x86 systems). If you choose Debian, you
> should know that an idiot-proof installer is _not_ one of its
> features.
To play devil's advocate,
scripsit H. S.:
> Moreover, if one were to do a poll today out of the number of people
> interested in using Debian asking them if Debian's installer needs to
> improved upon, I am certain you would be in a minority.
[snip]
> Not an excuse NOT to improve the installer.
[snip]
> Thinking Debian in
On Thu, Dec 04, 2003 at 02:42:21PM -0700, Monique Y. Herman wrote:
> On Thu, 04 Dec 2003 at 17:14 GMT, H. S. penned:
> > Oh boy. I can understand that. I went through the same thing myself a
> > few weeks ago. But then I was not new to the world of Linux so it
> > didn't take me 4 days :) But I ag
On Thu, Dec 04, 2003 at 06:35:47PM -0500, Paul Morgan wrote:
>
> And I sure as heck wouldn't want to discourage anyone new to Linux by
> making them think, "Wow, he thinks this is easy, but it's really hard for
> me, I'd better go back to XP".
I was a lifelong Windows geek and had a couple years
On Thu, 04 Dec 2003 17:52:00 -0500, Bijan Soleymani wrote:
> Paul Morgan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
>> On Thu, 04 Dec 2003 14:42:21 -0700, Monique Y. Herman wrote:
>> You know, people are always saying this (about the installer being
>> difficut), but when I set up my first debian installation
Paul Morgan wrote:
On Thu, 04 Dec 2003 14:42:21 -0700, Monique Y. Herman wrote:
Of course, setting up some stuff (like X) was harder than it is now, but
That was exactly where I had the problem, because the "good enough"
installer wouldn't tell me anywhere what to do with a wheel mouse,
though i
Monique Y. Herman wrote:
On Thu, 04 Dec 2003 at 17:14 GMT, H. S. penned:
Oh boy. I can understand that. I went through the same thing myself a
few weeks ago. But then I was not new to the world of Linux so it
didn't take me 4 days :) But I agree, the installation routine of
Debian is hideous. Del
ScruLoose <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> On Thu, Dec 04, 2003 at 06:00:18PM -0500, Bijan Soleymani wrote:
>
>> ... Having autodetection on ia32 doesn't hurt sparc users (it
>> doesn't help them either, but that's not a problem).
>
> I think you're preaching to the choir on this issue.
> Unless I'm
On Thu, Dec 04, 2003 at 06:00:18PM -0500, Bijan Soleymani wrote:
> Thanasis Kinias <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > scripsit Bijan Soleymani:
> >
> > I was under the impression that Knoppix, as ia32-only, was just in a
> > different category than Debian, with (including stuff under development)
>
On Thu, Dec 04, 2003 at 05:29:02PM -0500, Bijan Soleymani wrote:
> "Monique Y. Herman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> > Many people, including me, would not recommend debian for a linux
> > novice, though there are debian-based distros that some might recommend.
>
> It would be nice if we could
Thanasis Kinias <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> scripsit Bijan Soleymani:
>
>> I'm kind of in the pro-knoppix camp. I think that debian could
>> incorporate certain features from knoppix. The experts could always
>> disable the hardware detection, etc. But it would be very useful for
>> beginners.
scripsit Paul Morgan:
> You know, people are always saying this (about the installer being
> difficut), but when I set up my first debian installation (potato), I
> didn't have any difficulty at all.
Other than Linux from Scratch, the only other distro I've installed is
Mandrake. Here's the dif
Paul Morgan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> On Thu, 04 Dec 2003 14:42:21 -0700, Monique Y. Herman wrote:
> You know, people are always saying this (about the installer being
> difficut), but when I set up my first debian installation (potato), I
> didn't have any difficulty at all.
>
> Of course, se
scripsit Bijan Soleymani:
> I'm kind of in the pro-knoppix camp. I think that debian could
> incorporate certain features from knoppix. The experts could always
> disable the hardware detection, etc. But it would be very useful for
> beginners.
I was under the impression that Knoppix, as ia32-on
On Thu, 04 Dec 2003 14:42:21 -0700, Monique Y. Herman wrote:
> On Thu, 04 Dec 2003 at 17:14 GMT, H. S. penned:
>> Oh boy. I can understand that. I went through the same thing myself a
>> few weeks ago. But then I was not new to the world of Linux so it
>> didn't take me 4 days :) But I agree, the
"Monique Y. Herman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> I don't have a problem with the installer. I'd rather have devs working
> on other stuff than on something that works (for me).
The installer also works for me, at least most of the time. But it
would be nice if relative newbies could install Deb
On Thu, 04 Dec 2003 at 17:14 GMT, H. S. penned:
> Oh boy. I can understand that. I went through the same thing myself a
> few weeks ago. But then I was not new to the world of Linux so it
> didn't take me 4 days :) But I agree, the installation routine of
> Debian is hideous. Delusions of grandeur
Satyajit Das wrote:
I'm single user.
I collect Debian 3.0 beta , total 8 CD's .
After struggle 4 days("dselect" very difficult for newbies) I installed Debian.
1) I want to upgrade complete Debain system, such as :
I have mutt-1.3 /need 1.4 or1.5 , kde-2.2/ need 3.x / and
kernel-2.2.20-i
Hallo
Satyajit Das (<"[EMAIL PROTECTED]"@spnetctg.com>) wrote:
> Just today I entire this world and also in Linux world.
> I'm single user.
> I collect Debian 3.0 beta , total 8 CD's .
> After struggle 4 days("dselect" very difficult for newbies) I
> installed Debian.
>
> Now wants to know or ne
Satyajit Das wrote:
Dear list,
Just today I entire this world and also in Linux world.
By "this world" I would assume the newsgroup world and *this* world in
general :))
welcome to Linux world!
I'm single user.
I collect Debian 3.0 beta , total 8 CD's .
After struggle 4 days("dselect" very di
On Fri, Dec 05, 2003 at 02:05:25AM +0600, Satyajit Das wrote:
>
> 1) I want to upgrade complete Debain system, such as :
> I have mutt-1.3 /need 1.4 or1.5 , kde-2.2/ need 3.x / and
> kernel-2.2.20-idepci/ need 2.4.x
>Please give me the details webaddress or ftp site. I'm using broadban
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